Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

so y'all really want to start the day with old POE minus me?

It just feel like a really bad decision to me considering how consistently wrong we've been, and it doesn't feel like y'all are acknowledging the possibility of being us being as wrong now as were then.

i think there's a difference in solving mindset that's throwing you for a loop

wrongly chopping long con and ellie doesn't necessarily tell me that everything i believe about the game is wrong. you might note that in this game i have hardly ever even "scum read" anyone -- it's just process of elimination. someone is a town read or they are not. the names involved in each side of that dynamic can and do change, but one plays a POE game understanding that there 100% guaranteed townies among the people POE'd. there literally must be.

i encourage you to pursue your suspicions, and i will listen. it will also be good to give nutella/esooa/tutuu something clear that they'll respond to and we can all see how we feel when that happens

[Made]

if that's town!tutuu, then it's at least anti town. at least give me that

[Esooa]

everyone tag yourselves!!!
I'm the president
ellie and michelle are the snipers
tutuu, esooa, and DK are the robbers
role claim: cop
game setup: A
green check: Michelle
red check: the person roleblocked

obvious claim is obvious. And true

[JaggedJimmyJay]

okay, but why would tutuu ignore that and just be like "lol bang bang made :P". i took it seriously then, everyone thought I was sus for that which is prob clear why now, but like the conversation continued contemperaniously with it being clear that I thought tutuu and esooa weren't meming. Esooa feel like she could of been because afterwards she was like "Yeah nah i'm lying...or was i..or was i just lying now." so okay. but tutuu? tutuu's response was before this conversation took place

y'all the very least get why i'm shooketh no?

i get why you're shook, sure. and you're justified to be shook.

but i really don't know anything about tutuu's "bang bang" moment; i kind of glazed over it and have just about no opinion of it. @tutuu herself ought to say something about it

[Made]

so y'all really want to start the day with old POE minus me?

It just feel like a really bad decision to me considering how consistently wrong we've been, and it doesn't feel like y'all are acknowledging the possibility of being us being as wrong now as were then.

i think there's a difference in solving mindset that's throwing you for a loop

wrongly chopping long con and ellie doesn't necessarily tell me that everything i believe about the game is wrong.

okay, but that means you're entire POE was wrong. like shit happens, lord knows i've been fool times a plenty.

This also means your entire potential teammates chart was wrong. it was never made x ellie, made x michelle, ellie x michelle, michelle/esooa/bbyyoda and so on...

not only were we wrong we hammered twice, almost hammer'd michelle too.

from my pov. ellie & michelle both coming up clear is WILD,like i was so sure she was going to flip red. i can't imagine if i was so wrong on all 3 of my poe. Again, maybe difference in approach...


but this is very very weird to me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

okay, but that means you're entire POE was wrong. like shit happens, lord knows i've been fool times a plenty.

This also means your entire potential teammates chart was wrong. it was never made x ellie, made x michelle, ellie x michelle, michelle/esooa/bbyyoda and so on...

not only were we wrong we hammered twice, almost hammer'd michelle too.

from my pov. ellie & michelle both coming up clear is WILD,like i was so sure she was going to flip red. i can't imagine if i was so wrong on all 3 of my poe. Again, maybe difference in approach...


but this is very very weird to me

My poe was more people than just the ellie/made/michelle trio. my teammate chart is almost certainly screwed, and that's something i will contend with as i move forward with the day.

[Made]

everyone tag yourselves!!!
I'm the president
ellie and michelle are the snipers
tutuu, esooa, and DK are the robbers
role claim: cop
game setup: A or 3
green check: Michelle
red check: the person roleblocked

obvious claim is obvious. And true

correcting in orange

[JaggedJimmyJay]

e.g. if Omega or Grogu are mafia, those would be players that i correctly poe'd. i dunno if they are or not, but my poe isn't a complete failure just yet

[Esooa]

first-post claims are generic wifom that some people love to do.

i never really gave a damn about the miller claim

why not? did you think it was a meme immediately? if so why?

millers don't know they're millers, btw

[JaggedJimmyJay]

first-post claims are generic wifom that some people love to do.

i never really gave a damn about the miller claim

why not? did you think it was a meme immediately? if so why?

millers don't know they're millers, btw

they do in my experience, and always have here

the other way sounds bastard and icky

[Made]

these are the PMs would of gotten

1-Shot Town Cop - You are a 1-Shot Town Cop. Once in the game, at night, you may check another player's alignment.
Town Miller - You are a Town Miller. If another player checks your alignment, you will appear as mafia.
1-Shot Town Vigilante - You are a 1-Shot Town Vigilante. Once in the game, at night, you may kill another player.
Town Jailkeeper - You are a Town Jailkeeper. Every night, you may target another player to both protect from all night kills and rollblock.
Town Rollblocker - You are a Town Rollblocker. Every night, you may target another player to rollblock.
Town Sick Innocent Child (D1-4 reveal) -You are a Town Sick Innocent Child (d1-4 reveal). Your roll will be confirmed by the host to be town publicly at the start of either day 1, 2, 3, or 4. However, you will die at the start of the following day. At the start of the game, the host will randomize which of the four days will apply to the game. You will be unaware of which day has been selected.
1-Shot Town Cop (N0 only) - You are a 1-Shot Town Cop (N0 only). At the end of Day 0, the host will randomly select another player and reveal their alignment to you.
Vanilla Townie - You are a Vanilla Townie, you have no roll.
1-Shot Mafia Vigilante - You are a 1-Shot Mafia Vigilante. Once in the game, at night, you may kill another player.
Mafia Godfather - You are a Godfather. If another player checks your alignment, you will appear as town.
Mafia Goon - You are a Mafia Goon. You have no roll.
Mafia Jack of All Trades - This player has three one-time use roll abilities; These abilities will differ based on the used setup. The abilities could be any of the following combinations.
Setup A: 1-shot night kill, 1-shot rollblock, 1-shot silence
Setup B: 1-shot night kill, 1-shot protection, 1-shot roll cop
Setup 1: 1-shot night kill, 1-shot silence, 1-shot roll cop
Setup 2: 1-shot night kill, 1-shot rollblock, 1-shot protection

[Esooa]

first-post claims are generic wifom that some people love to do.

i never really gave a damn about the miller claim

why not? did you think it was a meme immediately? if so why?

millers don't know they're millers, btw

they do in my experience, and always have here

the other way sounds bastard and icky

that's weird. I looked at the role pm and ig the day. What's the point then? You would just hard claim miller SoD1 and be an inno child basically, the actual miller functionality would never come into play

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyway, I think this is a setup where randomly fake claiming is an explicitly terrible mafia decision. If the claim fits in the game, the real player with that role counter claims. If the claim does not fit in the game, the town power roles will be able to determine that from the matrix and know that it's fake.

[Esooa]

also btw I obviously started hard town reading Made because I knew he was a PR and I started wifoming the fuck out of it to to make him live, he very possibly still was targetted but I just want to say I did do that and hard town read him afterwards

[JaggedJimmyJay]

that's weird. I looked at the role pm and ig the day. What's the point then? You would just hard claim miller SoD1 and be an inno child basically, the actual miller functionality would never come into play

It often goes that way in an open setup.

In a closed setup there's plenty of wifom

[Made]

e.g. if Omega or Grogu are mafia, those would be players that i correctly poe'd. i dunno if they are or not, but my poe isn't a complete failure just yet

but what team relationship would you have for those two? you see what i'm kinda getting at

i'mma need other folks to chime in on this stuff as they show up, cuz like i'm shaking more than a shivvering snowman in the 9th circle of hell i'm so flustered

[Made]

Anyway, I think this is a setup where randomly fake claiming is an explicitly terrible mafia decision. If the claim fits in the game, the real player with that role counter claims. If the claim does not fit in the game, the town power roles will be able to determine that from the matrix and know that it's fake.

unless you just claim to be a PR, like tutuu did..

do you see why i want now JJJ, cuz i wanna cry

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hard claiming Miller isn’t necessarily ideal cause then mafia know what they’re playing around

But that’s a post discussion


More relevant rn is that made doesn’t seem to know how a POE works

And regardless of that idk why my reads would be shook up that badly by you being town, lol

[Made]

also btw I obviously started hard town reading Made because I knew he was a PR and I started wifoming the fuck out of it to to make him live, he very possibly still was targetted but I just want to say I did do that and hard town read him afterwards

yeah, i played that too hard at the end, at the very least at that point it seemed the SPF, you, and DK picked up on that

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

People make jokes in the thread sometimes

People do bits in the thread sometimes, together or alone

It happens

[JaggedJimmyJay]

e.g. if Omega or Grogu are mafia, those would be players that i correctly poe'd. i dunno if they are or not, but my poe isn't a complete failure just yet

but what team relationship would you have for those two? you see what i'm kinda getting at

i'mma need other folks to chime in on this stuff as they show up, cuz like i'm shaking more than a shivvering snowman in the 9th circle of hell i'm so flustered

that's absolutely a question i will seek to answer today. i want to know how all of my poe people fit together (or don't). if i have the time i might post full analyses instead of just the chart. if none of my suspects fit together or few teams seem to work, then that would suggest to me that either my analysis is wrong or one+ of my town reads is wrong

[Made]

Hard claiming Miller isn’t necessarily ideal cause then mafia know what they’re playing around

But that’s a post discussion


More relevant rn is that made doesn’t seem to know how a POE works

And regardless of that idk why my reads would be shook up that badly by you being town, lol

is it just you get rid of people who you think are probably town, and whoever is left you sus out?

[Made]

People make jokes in the thread sometimes

People do bits in the thread sometimes, together or alone

It happens

bro, didn't you call someone out on potato soup????

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyway, I think this is a setup where randomly fake claiming is an explicitly terrible mafia decision. If the claim fits in the game, the real player with that role counter claims. If the claim does not fit in the game, the town power roles will be able to determine that from the matrix and know that it's fake.

unless you just claim to be a PR, like tutuu did..

do you see why i want now JJJ, cuz i wanna cry

i understand your concern. i just don't share it for copypasta first posts. people do that all the time. some of them are mafia. some of them are vanilla town. some of them are town power roles. it's just wifom

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Me when someone in my POE is town:

[Made]

I need to leave

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hard claiming Miller isn’t necessarily ideal cause then mafia know what they’re playing around

But that’s a post discussion


More relevant rn is that made doesn’t seem to know how a POE works

And regardless of that idk why my reads would be shook up that badly by you being town, lol

is it just you get rid of people who you think are probably town, and whoever is left you sus out?

I don’t understand the phrasing of this but

Basically you find a number of people you’re comfortable locking town

And kill the rest indiscriminately

I don’t freak out when two people in my D1 6 or 7 person POE are town, that’s silly, the POE by necessity has townies in it. If a strong town read flips red or 3-4 of my POE are town via death and claim by d2ish, that’s when I’d start reassessing. But D3 with two people in my POE turning out to be town...that’s not a reason for panic

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

People make jokes in the thread sometimes

People do bits in the thread sometimes, together or alone

It happens

bro, didn't you call someone out on potato soup????

Yeah I’ve made reads based off conversations about soup before

I don’t see the relevance?

[Made]

Hard claiming Miller isn’t necessarily ideal cause then mafia know what they’re playing around

But that’s a post discussion


More relevant rn is that made doesn’t seem to know how a POE works

And regardless of that idk why my reads would be shook up that badly by you being town, lol

is it just you get rid of people who you think are probably town, and whoever is left you sus out?

I don’t understand the phrasing of this but

Basically you find a number of people you’re comfortable locking town

And kill the rest indiscriminately

I don’t freak out when two people in my D1 6 or 7 person POE are town, that’s silly, the POE by necessity has townies in it. If a strong town read flips red or 3-4 of my POE are town via death and claim by d2ish, that’s when I’d start reassessing. But D3 with two people in my POE turning out to be town...that’s not a reason for panic

THREEE
THREEE
THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Made]

Hard claiming Miller isn’t necessarily ideal cause then mafia know what they’re playing around

But that’s a post discussion


More relevant rn is that made doesn’t seem to know how a POE works

And regardless of that idk why my reads would be shook up that badly by you being town, lol

is it just you get rid of people who you think are probably town, and whoever is left you sus out?

I don’t understand the phrasing of this but

Basically you find a number of people you’re comfortable locking town

And kill the rest indiscriminately

I don’t freak out when two people in my D1 6 or 7 person POE are town, that’s silly, the POE by necessity has townies in it. If a strong town read flips red or 3-4 of my POE are town via death and claim by d2ish, that’s when I’d start reassessing. But D3 with two people in my POE turning out to be town...that’s not a reason for panic

THREEE
THREEE
THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ignore that, thought this was JJJ

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hard claiming Miller isn’t necessarily ideal cause then mafia know what they’re playing around

But that’s a post discussion


More relevant rn is that made doesn’t seem to know how a POE works

And regardless of that idk why my reads would be shook up that badly by you being town, lol

is it just you get rid of people who you think are probably town, and whoever is left you sus out?

I don’t understand the phrasing of this but

Basically you find a number of people you’re comfortable locking town

And kill the rest indiscriminately

I don’t freak out when two people in my D1 6 or 7 person POE are town, that’s silly, the POE by necessity has townies in it. If a strong town read flips red or 3-4 of my POE are town via death and claim by d2ish, that’s when I’d start reassessing. But D3 with two people in my POE turning out to be town...that’s not a reason for panic

THREEE
THREEE
THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I was TRing both Ellie and Michelle

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Gotcha

[Esooa]

also btw I obviously started hard town reading Made because I knew he was a PR and I started wifoming the fuck out of it to to make him live, he very possibly still was targetted but I just want to say I did do that and hard town read him afterwards

yeah, i played that too hard at the end, at the very least at that point it seemed the SPF, you, and DK picked up on that

that's why I just called you out in thread then claimed pr and did a bunch of weird shit l,.mfao

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Maybe something that will help you understand, Made:

People that I read as town and kept out of my POE yesterday are now in it: Alison, DkKoba

It's not that they suddenly look worse, it's that they seem like the appropriate names to add to the POE in place of Made and Michelle right now. They seem more appropriate to me than nutella or tutuu. Does that make sense?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Just waiting for alison to claim something tbh

[Michelle]

Marmot was sad, an also hungry. He hadn't saved up enough food for winter, so he'd roamed down to the local village bakery hoping that there'd be some fresh bread available.

There was none.


No one has died.


It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to bake someone.

Wow
Just woke up and i don't know what this means but gives me hope ^^

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Marmot was sad, an also hungry. He hadn't saved up enough food for winter, so he'd roamed down to the local village bakery hoping that there'd be some fresh bread available.

There was none.


No one has died.


It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to bake someone.

Wow
Just woke up and i don't know what this means but gives me hope ^^

You’re green checked so you should be pretty hopeful!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Btw @Made what night was your check? I can’t remember if you said or not, sorry

[Made]

Btw @Made what night was your check? I can’t remember if you said or not, sorry

No. Im sorry i cant
[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

If ur not bad, u were hexed by mafia, and they should all be tried for witchcraft at the conclusion of this game

[Michelle]

Marmot was sad, an also hungry. He hadn't saved up enough food for winter, so he'd roamed down to the local village bakery hoping that there'd be some fresh bread available.

There was none.


No one has died.


It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to bake someone.

Wow
Just woke up and i don't know what this means but gives me hope ^^

You’re green checked so you should be pretty hopeful!

I would prefere a red check on mafia, but thanks anyway

[DaughterOfOmega]

sup

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sup

sup

[Michelle]

I can't catch up fast, i am working from home now

[DaughterOfOmega]

Guys I'm sorry for the lack of mafia skill, I got ahead of myself and just wanted to be right lol

It makes me a bit worried though, because I really don't have a good feeling of who is mafia, and that is bad this late

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Btw @Made what night was your check? I can’t remember if you said or not, sorry

No. Im sorry i cant
[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

If ur not bad, u were hexed by mafia, and they should all be tried for witchcraft at the conclusion of this game

Mafia know you made your check already there’s literally no downside to claiming it as town

[nutella]

Well this is all pretty exciting

I'm pretty close to yolovoting jay

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well this is all pretty exciting

I'm pretty close to yolovoting jay

don't

[nutella]

Btw @Made what night was your check? I can’t remember if you said or not, sorry

No. Im sorry i cant
[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

If ur not bad, u were hexed by mafia, and they should all be tried for witchcraft at the conclusion of this game

what

[nutella]

What is the actual claim with checks clearly please and thank you

[nutella]

Did you actually have a green on ellie or were you just saying that