The Hobbit Mafia: Day 12

[Bullzeye]

K4J made the same "you have to choose either Smaug or a goblin" argument when he was being suspected, and it continues to make no sense.

K4J and Bullz voted the same way on Days 2, 4, 5, and 9. On Days 3 and 6, one of them voted while the other missed the vote.The only time they've been opposed in a meaningful way is on Day 8, when Bullz tried to bail out TH while K4J threw him under the bus. I believe k4J and Bullz are on a team. I believe K4J has escaped narrowly from lynches one too many time. There is a reason he keeps being suspected. He is just good at talking his way out of it.

Oh yeah. You never explained how I tried to bail out TH. When I voted for Snow, TH was not even really being discussed and Snow already had several votes. There is no way on this planet I'd have known TH was in danger of being lynched if we were teammates. I'm not a freaking psychic. I said as much last time you brought that fail of an argument up. I guess you just ignored it because you knew there was no getting around it.

[kneel4justice]

Epi: Bullz is Smaug.

Llama: Presents voting records that would imply Bullz is on the Goblin Team.

Bullz: Tells Epi there is no evidence and no reason for anyone to agree with him.

Llama: Says he agrees with Epi (who, might I remind you thinks that Bullz is Smaug).




K4J is not allowed to question the conflicting statements from Llama, even if just trying to provide logic or develop an understanding! K4J must be bad!

OK.

I am done.

[thellama73]

When I voted for Snow, TH was not even really being discussed

The following discussion about TH took place on the day he was lynched, BEFORE Bullz voted for Snow.

I do want to know if she is your leading suspicion at this point in time.

No. This cat is:

But I'm not convinced about you, though you seem to be flailing. But it looks to me like the lynch train is headed your way unless you help slow it down.

Eh? He has one vote, and many have stated they may not vote for him.

Post-resurrection TH...let's see what's there:

Mongoose, if we don't lynch you, who would you suggest we look at instead?

First on-topic post.

I think Mongoose is more likely to be Gollum than Smaug or a goblin. Gollum likely has The One Ring, which could explain Mongoose's disappearance/escape from the Day 4 lynch. Given the way the past two votes have gone, I think poor Goosey is more likely to be living in a cave pitiful and alone than she is to have any teammates.

Pardon me?

Bilbo Baggins
Possessor of the Ring, which gives him special powers. Also the dwarves' burglar, despite being a homebody. Initially doubted by the dwarves, he continually goes up in their estimation.
Gains +1 vote every 3 Day periods. May have the opportunity to burgle from Smaug.

Regarding the greened, if you thought Mongoose was unlikely to have a team, why vote for her?

Voting for Mongoose. She didn't respond to my question about who we should be looking at other than her, so it seems like she's given up, which usually means baddie.

Seems like she's given up? Hell, by this point, Mongoose had 12 votes. Her lynch was inevitable.


People TH 1.0 expressed suspicion of:

MP - first vote.
Spacedaisy
k4j - You called him MP's teammate. Voted him Day 2.
Eloh - Last to vote her on Day 3.
Snow Dog


You know who TH 1.0 did not suspect?

Llama, I reread Mongoose, and nothing stood out to me tbh. Though I also didn't realize how talkative she's been... I think that's the only thing that stood out, I'm used to Mongoose participating but not being so active especially at the beginning of a game. I have also never seen Mongoose's baddie game before. What makes you think this looks like her baddie game opposed to her civ game?

Not Mongoose.

I will likely be voting one of my bigger suspects, Daisy or Snow Dog, but I'm looking at the votes to see if I need to save Boogs by voting Elo. I do not feel comfortable with the suspicion on Boogs so far.

Linki: Hmm, good point about his vote possibly being forced yesterday, Epi.

Here TH 1.0 expressed interest in saving Boogs. TH 2.0 even voted A Person to save Boogs on Day 7.

But what about Day 6?

I don't think Boogs should be lynched, I've never understood the case on him and it seems to have snowballed to where he's getting votes just because he's been discussed the most at this point.

I'm voting Daisy. I know she's had a lot going on in RL apparently but I think she's flying low because all her teammates got lynched at the start of the game.

Spacedaisy had no votes at the time. However, Vompatti and Boogs both had 4 votes apiece at the time TH 2.0 voted. This means that the talk of saving Boogs was disingenuous, even if TH 2.0 voted for A Person on Day 7.


That brings me back to Snow Dog.

TH 1.0:

Snow Dog's vote from yesterday stands out to me:

I think I suspect Elochin and Mongoose most but I might suck it and see and chuck a vote on k4j .

Snow Dog did not show any suspicions towards k4j until Snow Dog abandoned his top two suspects - both of whom had votes - to "chuck a vote" onto k4j. But then, 11 minutes later, Snow Dog says:

I just randomised the llama voters and got the wombat.

At the time of Snow Dog's throwaway vote for Vompatti, FZ and k4j were tied at 4 votes apiece, Elo had 2, and Mongoose had 1. There were a few quick random votes in between Snow Dog's first post and his vote post 11 minutes later... I think Snow Dog tried to blend in with the BWT's self-vote and Vomp's "defend Mongoose via randomization" vote. I think Snow Dog wanted to avoid accountability.

Interesting that Snow Dog only replies to Llama's defense of him, and not to the post I originally made about him which llama is commenting on. Vompatti was literally the only person to vote for llama, and probably the only player who had even expressed suspicion of Llama. Llama needed no saving, no defending, and I would argue that Snow Dog should have known that. That was not the reason Snow Dog should have thrown away his vote, when he seemed to have solid, relevant suspects (Elo and Mongoose) and also seemed briefly to have an itch to "chuck a vote" onto k4j.

Who else tried to buddy up to you, Logan, and got caught red-handed?

I will likely be voting one of my bigger suspects, Daisy or Snow Dog, but I'm looking at the votes to see if I need to save Boogs by voting Elo. I do not feel comfortable with the suspicion on Boogs so far.

Linki: Hmm, good point about his vote possibly being forced yesterday, Epi.

TH 2.0:

But I'm not convinced about you, though you seem to be flailing. But it looks to me like the lynch train is headed your way unless you help slow it down.

That suspicion just...dissolved?

To the players who are feeling a Snow Dog vote, I'm curious to know who you think his teammates might be. The only surface-level connection I would be able to draw to Snow is CBK, but she is insanified, and also appears to suspect Snowy based on her answer to Dom's question, which doesn't seem very teammate-like at this stage. If the Dog is bad, I'm not sure where I'd look next for teammates, which makes me think perhaps he doesn't have any and that lynching him is the wrong call.

Cart before the horse. How do you look for teammates before you've established someone even has a team? I'm pretty sure I know one of yours though.

Rob, how are you feeling about Snow Dog these days? That last post seems to tie TH 2.0 to him. Do you think I'm on the right track, or way off?

Does it tie TH 2.0 to Snow Dog, or does TH 2.0 know Snowy is highly unlikely to be bad? I don't know- not important to me at the moment. But the difference between TH1 and TH2 is night and day:

Boogs:

TH1 felt good about Boogs and TH2 felt good about Boogs. Swell.

Mongoose:

TH1 felt good about Mongoose and TH2 felt bad about Mongoose.

Snow Dog:

TH1 felt bad about Snow Dog but TH2 feels good about Snow Dog.

++++

Whereas TH1 was involved in detailed analysis, TH2 says rather vague things. Look at his last post. It's a block of text, but what all does it really say? It's mostly fluff.

For the time passage [TH] should have came in with opinions rather than just discover new ones, IMO.

Epig, are you more suspicious of TH or Snow Dog? I think you answered this, but I feel like it got lost.

I'll need to look into TH 2.0 a little more tonight. I think Epig might be onto something there.

I would say that my two main suspects are Hedgie and TH.


I just reviewed some of Hedgie's posts, and for the most part I did not see any real material as far as suspicions go. There was discussion, but it wasn't striking me as moving forward (and I don't mean offense by this). She was talking more about the game in general rather than suspicions, for example pointing out that the Moria Goblins may be dead, what it's understandable to point that out, there was no moving forward action, IMO. There's also talk about Boogs voters but nothing solid, more trying to get discussion started without actually discussing, at least that is how I read it. Again, I mean no offense by that!
Her vote for AP also didn't require much actual suspicion last day, IMO.


Then with TH, I have just felt the way he came back into the game has not been what I'd expect. He's quiet and not necessarily making moves and cases which I liked and thought spoke good for him last time. His most recent post is a little bit better and more than what I expect from him but it hasn't been consistent so I'm thinking it might have come too late.

Epig, thanks for your answer re: TH. I will re-read him carefully and see if i can see the differences.

I think Mongoose is more likely to be Gollum than Smaug or a goblin. Gollum likely has The One Ring, which could explain Mongoose's disappearance/escape from the Day 4 lynch. Given the way the past two votes have gone, I think poor Goosey is more likely to be living in a cave pitiful and alone than she is to have any teammates.

Pardon me?

Bilbo Baggins
Possessor of the Ring, which gives him special powers. Also the dwarves' burglar, despite being a homebody. Initially doubted by the dwarves, he continually goes up in their estimation.
Gains +1 vote every 3 Day periods. May have the opportunity to burgle from Smaug.

There's also this:

Gollum A pitiful, miserable creature and the owner of a Ring of Power (these facts are connected). Lives alone in a cave, eating raw fish and practicing riddles.
Secret

It says he has a Ring of Power, and it also says "secrets". I thought it was a reasonable explanation.

It may seem like nitpicking, but when it comes to words, I nitpick.

A few years ago, our TV (among other items) was stolen. The thug who took the TV was its possessor, we were still its owner. In the book, Gollum still considered the ring *his* even though Bilbo had come into possession of it.

You omitted the main point I was making with that though:

If you believed Mongoose had no teammates (as you said), why vote for her?

People TH 1.0 expressed suspicion of:

MP - first vote.
Spacedaisy
k4j - You called him MP's teammate. Voted him Day 2.
Eloh - Last to vote her on Day 3.
Snow Dog

You know who TH 1.0 did not suspect?

Not Mongoose.

You're right, I did not suspect Mongoose, and if I had been alive on Day 4 I probably would have defended her from her accusers, as I did not see a case on her but rather bandwagon groupthought. But TH 1.0 was not alive when Mongoose survived a lynch and then acted sketchy afterwards. My opinion of Mongoose changed based on her behavior after her first attempted lynch, not because of my role or because my alignment changed. And there's a gap in my thought process due to the fact that I had no thread presence the first time Mongoose was lynched.

But you never expressed any of this then, so there's no way I can know if you're just changing the narrative now. All three of your Day 5 on-topic posts were directed to or about Mongoose, but none of them said what you are saying now.

Turnip Head, the major difference between you then and now is that TH 1.0 was calling people out, naming names and hollering for the rope. TH 2.0 is instead naming people who are probably not bad.

Apart from a (weak) case on Spacedaisy (one that could be made against a number of other people), you haven't named anyone you felt was a goblin since you've come back.

And whatever happened to your k4j suspicion?

Snow, you only have one vote. Turnip Head also has one vote. I think it's a little premature for you to act so defeated.

Well I'm willing to vote for Hedgie or TH.
So is anyone going to have a conversation with me about this, or no?

Okay. Why Hedgie or TH?

k4j, what do you see about hedgie and do you see the same things Epig does about TH? I thought TH's responses were pretty good.

Sorry for the long post, but I was making a point.

[thellama73]

Epi: Bullz is Smaug.

Llama: Presents voting records that would imply Bullz is on the Goblin Team.

Bullz: Tells Epi there is no evidence and no reason for anyone to agree with him.

Llama: Says he agrees with Epi (who, might I remind you thinks that Bullz is Smaug).




K4J is not allowed to question the conflicting statements from Llama, even if just trying to provide logic or develop an understanding! K4J must be bad!

OK.

I am done.

You're allowed to question anything you like. I am allowed to think your questions reveal you as a baddie. It's a very laissez faire sort of system.

[Bullzeye]

Still, Snow had several votes and was someone I'd discussed before TH came up. I'd never discussed TH. Wouldn't it be worse if I dropped an actual suspicion to vote someone I'd never even mentioned? Regardless, I wasn't saving him. I never defended him at all. Plus he only had one vote and Snow already had three. There was a good chance TH wouldn't ever come close to being lynched when I cast my vote. My point stands. You didn't even vote TH either. You have no right to criticise my votes when the ones you bring up are the ones where you did exactly the same thing.

[kneel4justice]

Epi: Bullz is Smaug.

Llama: Presents voting records that would imply Bullz is on the Goblin Team.

Bullz: Tells Epi there is no evidence and no reason for anyone to agree with him.

Llama: Says he agrees with Epi (who, might I remind you thinks that Bullz is Smaug).




K4J is not allowed to question the conflicting statements from Llama, even if just trying to provide logic or develop an understanding! K4J must be bad!

OK.

I am done.

You're allowed to question anything you like. I am allowed to think your questions reveal you as a baddie. It's a very laissez faire sort of system.

You're also allowed to have an actual discussion, but I guess you don't care to.

I'll get over it.

[thellama73]

I'd never discussed TH.

Teammates often forget to discuss each other.

You have no right to criticise my votes when the ones you bring up are the ones where you did exactly the same thing.

That's an absurd statement. If I make bad choices in my votes, I'm no longer allowed to baddie hunt? I forfeit that right? This post does nothing to make me feel better about you.

[thellama73]

You're also allowed to have an actual discussion, but I guess you don't care to.

I'll get over it.

What would you like to discuss? I have time.

[thellama73]

Rmember that time I quoted all the questions Dom had asked and pointed out that he never discussed anything, just solicited opinions?

And then remember how Dom turned out to be bad?

K4J, you keep saying you want to talk about things, but you never talk about things. You only question. You never conclude. You never make cases. Epig called you out on it and you got mad at him, but you still haven't actually said anything.

It's the exact same pattern of behavior Dom showed, and Dom was bad.

You want to have a discussion? I am listening. Discuss.

[kneel4justice]

You're also allowed to have an actual discussion, but I guess you don't care to.

I'll get over it.

What would you like to discuss? I have time.

I wanted to discuss how you agreed with Epi? Or is it that you don't truly agree with him, you just suspect Bullz as well?

[thellama73]

You're also allowed to have an actual discussion, but I guess you don't care to.

I'll get over it.

What would you like to discuss? I have time.

I wanted to discuss how you agreed with Epi? Or is it that you don't truly agree with him, you just suspect Bullz as well?

I agree with him that Bullz is bad. I don't really care in what way Bullz is bad.

[kneel4justice]

Rmember that time I quoted all the questions Dom had asked and pointed out that he never discussed anything, just solicited opinions?

And then remember how Dom turned out to be bad?

K4J, you keep saying you want to talk about things, but you never talk about things. You only question. You never conclude. You never make cases. Epig called you out on it and you got mad at him, but you still haven't actually said anything.

It's the exact same pattern of behavior Dom showed, and Dom was bad.

You want to have a discussion? I am listening. Discuss.

I have discussed quite a bit and made quite a few conclusions on who I think have been bad this game. My questions have been completely different from asking people who they are going to vote for and my questions have had reasons and discussions that would/did follow had the person answered them.

[kneel4justice]

Like, this is really getting on my nerves.
I'm tired.

[thellama73]

Like, this is really getting on my nerves.
I'm tired.

I guess you didn't really want to have a discussion after all.

[kneel4justice]

Like, this is really getting on my nerves.
I'm tired.

I guess you didn't really want to have a discussion after all.

Lol

[fingersplints]

I've thought bullz was a wood elf since Boogs was lynched, but I've been meaning to re-evaluate that because I thought Dom was a wood elf too :/

[fingersplints]

Also, I am not the mayor.

[fingersplints]

Though I do think now is a good time to attempt a smaug lynch. idk if whatever bwt did worked but he may be weakened atm

[Snow Dog]

I dunno I've been thinking about Bullz being bad recently. Not entirely convinced by the evidence or lack of it shown though.

B4J's recent post ping me a little though. Wanting a discussion and as soon as one comes along bows out. That makes no sense, but maybe he's just a little irritated?

[Russtifinko]

This post is to serve as an individual warning to each and every player playing this game:

Rules #1 and #2 expressly encourage respect and forbid asshattery of any type during the game. I have clearly outlined the reasons for this in a previous post (here).

Anyone being an asshat or showing a lack of respect for another player will be modkilled IMMEDIATELY. You will not receive a warning or a fine; you will simply be removed from the game, and be banned from participating in any potential future Russti games.

As I have said many times before, if at any point you have even the slightest doubt about whether something you say will get you modkilled, you should either not post it, or you should PM a draft of it to me and ask if it is ok. I was serious about that, and no one has taken advantage of it yet, to the detriment of some.

Enjoy yourselves and carry on, but please do so in a respectful manner.

[fingersplints]

I dunno I've been thinking about Bullz being bad recently. Not entirely convinced by the evidence or lack of it shown though.

B4J's recent post ping me a little though. Wanting a discussion and as soon as one comes along bows out. That makes no sense, but maybe he's just a little irritated?

I think he is either irritated or maybe I was right before that bullz is a wood elf and that is why k4j is upset now. (meaning he is also a woodelf.)

[fingersplints]

When is the last time SD has posted? I forgot she was playing

[Bullzeye]

You have no right to criticise my votes when the ones you bring up are the ones where you did exactly the same thing.

That's an absurd statement. If I make bad choices in my votes, I'm no longer allowed to baddie hunt? I forfeit that right? This post does nothing to make me feel better about you.

What I'm saying is your entire case rests on me definitely being bad because of two things which you also did. If I have to be bad because of those votes then surely you're bad as well? You did exactly the same things for pretty much the same reasons but now you're basically acting like you shouldn't be under suspicion for that but I should.

[thellama73]

You have no right to criticise my votes when the ones you bring up are the ones where you did exactly the same thing.

That's an absurd statement. If I make bad choices in my votes, I'm no longer allowed to baddie hunt? I forfeit that right? This post does nothing to make me feel better about you.

What I'm saying is your entire case rests on me definitely being bad because of two things which you also did. If I have to be bad because of those votes then surely you're bad as well? You did exactly the same things for pretty much the same reasons but now you're basically acting like you shouldn't be under suspicion for that but I should.

The difference is that I know I'm not bad. Others are free to suspect me if they like.

[Marmot]

BWT is not on the lynch poll. Maybe something did work for him?

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[Snow Dog]

BWT is not on the lynch poll. Maybe something did work for him?

How can we lynch him if he isn't in the company. He went down the tunnel, remember?

[Marmot]

BWT is not on the lynch poll. Maybe something did work for him?

How can we lynch him if he isn't in the company. He went down the tunnel, remember?

How come he can talk to us then?

[Snow Dog]

BWT is not on the lynch poll. Maybe something did work for him?

How can we lynch him if he isn't in the company. He went down the tunnel, remember?

How come he can talk to us then?

i was surprised by that but I guess host decision.

[birdwithteeth11]

BWT is not on the lynch poll. Maybe something did work for him?

How can we lynch him if he isn't in the company. He went down the tunnel, remember?

How come he can talk to us then?

Black magic of course.

[Snow Dog]

BWT is not on the lynch poll. Maybe something did work for him?

How can we lynch him if he isn't in the company. He went down the tunnel, remember?

How come he can talk to us then?

Black magic of course.

Look at your inbox.....maybe you're not allowed to post.

[Marmot]

• Day 1 - Bullzeye random voted Snow Dog. It's day 1, so whatever.
  
  Day 2 - Bullzeye voted in the lynch of FZ. FZ as we know was a member of the Moria Goblins. Nothing wrong with that. But I did find this post slightly amusing. Bullzeye tells sawyer to follow his gut not the crowd, but then follows the crowd, not his gut.
  
  Day 3 - No posts or votes, seemed to be out for IRL reasons.
  
  Day 4 - Posted once, but didn't explain his vote, or even state it. Voted at the end of the Mongoose lynch. Mongoose escaped the lynch, but was later lynched and turned out to be Bilbo.
  
  Day 5 - Voted Mongoose again. I think many of us were convinced that Mongoose was Smaug after surviving the previous lynch. There's a good chance Smaug is one of the voters on this Mongoose wagon. I also noted that Epi did not vote this day.
  
  Day 6 - Cast the deciding vote on Vompatti, who flipped to be Thorin.
  
  Day 7 - Voted A Person, though Boogs was lynched while these two were tied. Boogs was the Elf Gaoler.
  
  Day 8 - Voted Snow Dog when TH 2.0 was lynched, though these two were also tied. TH was the Misty Mountain's Great Goblin. He does say he trusted TH. If he is Smaug, I doubt this means anything. If he is the Mayor, his vote is worth three, so I don't see how TH 2.0 could have been lynched.
  
  Day 9 - Place the first vote on INH, who was lynched. INH was Dwalin.

Looking at Bullzeye's voting track record, I'm in partial agreement with you Epi. Both Bullzeye and fingers voted for Snow Dog on Day 8. Snow Dog and TH 2.0 were tied at seven votes, but TH was lynched. If anything, the mayor could have been on the TH wagon, also meaning that he is doubtfully in cahoots with the Misty Mountain Goblins. The mayor could be in league with Smaug, but my belief from this is that fingers is NOT the mayor as you suggested.

Back to Bullzeye. He has been more active since about Day 6 or so. Before that, he posted just as much at night as he did during the day. With the night periods being half as long, that's a curious pattern. Bullzeye has voted on several bandwagons, which may be what you were looking at Epi. Not only this, but he claimed trust of TH here, a day before TH was lynched. I think that if Bullzeye is bad, llama is correct, and that Bullzeye is an inhabitant of the Misty Mountain. This is a claim that I would support.

I guess fingers could be a Goblin too. Are you seeing signs indicative of them being teammates, Epi?

Linki: lol

[Bullzeye]

Day 1 - Bullzeye random voted Snow Dog. It's day 1, so whatever.

Day 2 - Bullzeye voted in the lynch of FZ. FZ as we know was a member of the Moria Goblins. Nothing wrong with that. But I did find this post slightly amusing. Bullzeye tells sawyer to follow his gut not the crowd, but then follows the crowd, not his gut.

Actually I was going with gut as well. I felt that FZ was bad because of some of the stuff she was saying. It was a while back now so I don't remember it all but she did manage to convince me she was bad. I voted her because I wanted to vote for her, I wasn't specifically following anyone.

Day 3 - No posts or votes, seemed to be out for IRL reasons.

My best friend was rushed to hospital with serious problems that I'm not going to discuss here and I was very upset, for a few days I wasn't in mood for anything least of all mafia. This whole thing carried on into day 4, explaining the following:

Day 4 - Posted once, but didn't explain his vote, or even state it. Voted at the end of the Mongoose lynch. Mongoose escaped the lynch, but was later lynched and turned out to be Bilbo.

Day 5 - Voted Mongoose again. I think many of us were convinced that Mongoose was Smaug after surviving the previous lynch. There's a good chance Smaug is one of the voters on this Mongoose wagon. I also noted that Epi did not vote this day.

Like you said, everyone was convinced Mongoose was bad and there wasn't much reason to think otherwise. Everyone screwed up on that one not just me.

Day 6 - Cast the deciding vote on Vompatti, who flipped to be Thorin.

Voted Vomp because I felt he was more likely to be bad than the alternative, which was Boogs. Everyone knows how I felt about the case on him.

Day 7 - Voted A Person, though Boogs was lynched while these two were tied. Boogs was the Elf Gaoler.

Again, I voted AP because he was the better alternative and I still believe the Boogs case was hyped up by baddies.

Day 8 - Voted Snow Dog when TH 2.0 was lynched, though these two were also tied. TH was the Misty Mountain's Great Goblin. He does say he trusted TH. If he is Smaug, I doubt this means anything. If he is the Mayor, his vote is worth three, so I don't see how TH 2.0 could have been lynched.

I believed TH might have been good in his original account (and actually have a civ role in mind for who he might have been). When someone replaces back in I tend to keep my original opinion unless something drastic happened, and TH 2 seemed pretty much the same as before to me. Again I will say I couldn't have been trying to protect him since Snow was in significantly more danger and I'd been suspicious of him already.

Day 9 - Place the first vote on INH, who was lynched. INH was Dwalin.

Yeah I voted INH because I thought he was rude and overreactive. I was intending to vote Snow again but almost every post INH made during that day made me want to vote for him more and more. So I did and I'd probably do it again.

Back to Bullzeye. He has been more active since about Day 6 or so. Before that, he posted just as much at night as he did during the day. With the night periods being half as long, that's a curious pattern. Bullzeye has voted on several bandwagons, which may be what you were looking at Epi. Not only this, but he claimed trust of TH here, a day before TH was lynched. I think that if Bullzeye is bad, llama is correct, and that Bullzeye is an inhabitant of the Misty Mountain. This is a claim that I would support.

My activity levels have nothing to do with my alignment. I've been quite busy and had a lot to deal with. Not all of it bad, but it kept me away from here. When I do get behind in a game I find it harder to keep up and post so something has to happen to really get me back into it. The thing about saying I trusted TH is I actually said I trust him to the extent that I don't distrust him. That doesn't mean I'd jump on a grenade for him. It means I didn't feel I had a reason not to trust him so I was willing to give him a little bit of (obviously misplaced) trust. I never said I fully trust him or believed he was civ, just that I didn't feel he'd done anything to make me not trust him.

[thellama73]

I voted for Bullzeye for reasons previously explained.

[Bullzeye]

I figured you would. I wonder how many else will mindlessly follow you and Epig into failure. Anyone who doesn't want to make a mistake is welcome to vote someone else. My preference would be Snow for reasons I've already gone over but if I'm where the bandwagon wants to point today then I honestly don't mind who dies in my place as long as they're bad.

[Kylemii]

can someone explain what the thing about the mayor possibly being bad is about? do we have reason to believe that the mayor and smaug are in cahoots?

[Kylemii]

oh.... the mayor is an indy role. :0 i see

[Marmot]

I figured you would. I wonder how many else will mindlessly follow you and Epig into failure. Anyone who doesn't want to make a mistake is welcome to vote someone else.

My decision won't be a result of mindless sheepery.

My preference would be Snow for reasons I've already gone over but if I'm where the bandwagon wants to point today then I honestly don't mind who dies in my place as long as they're bad.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but this statement doesn't make any sense to me.

[Marmot]

^^^Botched the quotes on that one.

[birdwithteeth11]

Personally, my mind isn't made up on Bullz or anyone yet. And I'm not sure yet if I buy the whole thing yet about the Mayor working with either the Goblins or Smaug. Or if Epig and llama are even right about Splints and Bullz yet.

I think this vote is going to end up being really important though. Because worst case scenario is we lynch a civ, 2 more people die tonight if both kills go through, and then we're down to 8 players. So I need more time to read over things and decide.

[Bullzeye]

I figured you would. I wonder how many else will mindlessly follow you and Epig into failure. Anyone who doesn't want to make a mistake is welcome to vote someone else.

My decision won't be a result of mindless sheepery.

My preference would be Snow for reasons I've already gone over but if I'm where the bandwagon wants to point today then I honestly don't mind who dies in my place as long as they're bad.

I'm sorry, but this statement doesn't make any sense to me.[/quote]

I can hear the bandwagon coming my way. People should vote for someone other than me though since I'm not bad. My preference would be Snow as I think he's bad but if I have to save myself I will vote whoever I have to and hope for the best.

[Snow Dog]

Why do Epi and Llama vote so early? Are they so certain of no counter argument or better suspect?

[fingersplints]

To start a bandwagon?

[fingersplints]

It's gotten much quieter and that's making me nervous

[juliets]

Sorry splints, I watched soccer today, then worked out, then fixed dinner and all of a sudden it's now. I have only been quiet because I haven't yet re-read Bullz or you in light of what Epig and llama are saying. So me being quiet is just because I don't yet have anything to say. I'm not going to blindly follow Epig and llama - I need to see something for myself.

[birdwithteeth11]

Sorry splints, I watched soccer today, then worked out, then fixed dinner and all of a sudden it's now. I have only been quiet because I haven't yet re-read Bullz or you in light of what Epig and llama are saying. So me being quiet is just because I don't yet have anything to say. I'm not going to blindly follow Epig and llama - I need to see something for myself.

Yeah, pretty much same here.

Also, the fact that llama and Epig were willing to vote more than 24 hours before the deadline does concern me a bit. I'll spend some time on it tomorrow before I make up my mind on it.

[Snow Dog]

I asked this before but only got one answer. Anyone been robbed recently?
And well done USA in the football.

[fingersplints]

I asked this before but only got one answer. Anyone been robbed recently?
And well done USA in the football.

I've not been robbed recently.

[Snow Dog]

I asked this before but only got one answer. Anyone been robbed recently?
And well done USA in the football.

I've not been robbed recently.

So that's three not robbed recently. Any more?

[Kylemii]

to my knowledge i have not been robbed at any point in time