Nanook is a Bastard Town Win!

[MartinGG99]

THIS IS TOTALLY MAFIA MARTIN

HE DOESNT GET SELF-CONSCIOUS AT ALL AND STARTS POSTING LESS

NOOOO

HE TOTALLY STARTS POSTING MORE THAN HE NORMALLY DOES

PROBABLY CUZ OF SOME GODAMM AGENDA HE HAS

CONTROLLING THE THREAD SINCE 1999 EVEN THOUGH HE WAS LOST D1

[Made]

honestly WHY DONT WE YEET THE HIGHEST POSTER IN THE GAME

i mean if it really bothers you
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Long Con]

Sorry Martin, but I don't have much, if any, meta on you in my mind.

[MartinGG99]

-_-

jesus christ all of this just because I think Marmot is town and people are *are sooo* quick to think I am associated with him

like what the fuck

[MartinGG99]

Nah its fine LC

you were upset by EoD

its concievable you would pursue me in questioning

Made however I just didn't expect at all

[Made]

-_-

jesus christ all of this just because I think Marmot is town and people are *are sooo* quick to think I am associated with him

like what the fuck

there's 3 people in a game of 7 who want to vote you, like it's not that aggro. I don't think you're associated with marmot because you think he's town. I think both of you are bad independently, so i really don't like voting with both of you

[MartinGG99]

Nah its fine LC

you were upset by EoD

its concievable you would pursue me in questioning

Made however I just didn't expect at all



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You cannot make another post so soon after your last.

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[Long Con]

I’m sorta convinced that Nanook might have given us random jokey things to do D0 that don’t mean anything

it's interesting, cuz there wasn't a d0 right? do all of our roles have to do with day 0??

I still think this line of conversation is ridiculous.

how so?

Because the role names are not instructions! Right? Look at your role PM and I bet that the name is some sort of description of Nanook bastardry... and although I can't say what else might be written, isn't it just the name of your role and nothing else?

[Made]

Nah its fine LC

you were upset by EoD

its concievable you would pursue me in questioning

Made however I just didn't expect at all



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You cannot make another post so soon after your last.

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[Long Con]

Nah its fine LC

you were upset by EoD

its concievable you would pursue me in questioning

Made however I just didn't expect at all



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You cannot make another post so soon after your last.

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Yeah! That's why I double-posted a few minutes ago, I tripped over that warning.

[MartinGG99]

Oh jeeze I did double post

Sorry, didn't realize that's what its for

[Made]

I’m sorta convinced that Nanook might have given us random jokey things to do D0 that don’t mean anything

it's interesting, cuz there wasn't a d0 right? do all of our roles have to do with day 0??

I still think this line of conversation is ridiculous.

how so?

Because the role names are not instructions! Right? Look at your role PM and I bet that the name is some sort of description of Nanook bastardry... and although I can't say what else might be written, isn't it just the name of your role and nothing else?

While i'm not saying I didn't treat my role name like instructions ( I did), I am saying that it's add how people have come out and said that their roles involve d0, and some haven't. like Nanook is capible of being a bastard on any day, not just d0/n0

[Made]

Odd***, not add

[Long Con]

-_-

jesus christ all of this just because I think Marmot is town and people are *are sooo* quick to think I am associated with him

like what the fuck

What I keep seeing you do is argue against reasons that aren't my main reason. It feels like misdirection - I didn't suspect you because of a Marmot association, I suspected you because you did something I don't think a villager would ever do. I think it was a mistake, and maybe you had too many factors in play for that decision and you weighted their significance differently than I now do. You should have voted to break the tie, and you chose not to, and you now have a arguments against accusations that no one made as though you were preparing for them.

[Long Con]

I’m sorta convinced that Nanook might have given us random jokey things to do D0 that don’t mean anything

it's interesting, cuz there wasn't a d0 right? do all of our roles have to do with day 0??

I still think this line of conversation is ridiculous.

how so?

Because the role names are not instructions! Right? Look at your role PM and I bet that the name is some sort of description of Nanook bastardry... and although I can't say what else might be written, isn't it just the name of your role and nothing else?

While i'm not saying I didn't treat my role name like instructions ( I did), I am saying that it's [odd] how people have come out and said that their roles involve d0, and some haven't. like Nanook is capible of being a bastard on any day, not just d0/n0

To me, that point of view results from not yet accepting that it's just a role name, and making assumptions or trying to have misguided fun with it.

[Made]

ooooooo tell'em LC

[Made]

wait, no, don't tell em that

[MartinGG99]

Like, for a big fucking example,

both as town and as mafia I generally create some sort of readwall on d1

read walls depending on how you can look at it can be viewed as having an agenda

yes, I remember in MC, you're reading like town you syntactically, that's not what I mean by an agenda. it just feels like you have vested interest in particular players being lynched in a way that other players haven't really voice.

I also don't like that LC, me, and speedchuck have all said some variation of "my role is a d0 power thing" and you and marmot have not, and both of you were voting speedchuck

Okay, so you're referring to pre-association flips, right?

But I think if Speed chuck does flip mafia then that may look bad on me as well for the pre-association flip.

To give a point, however: An idea or thought has to start somewhere. While some other people don't seem to have voiced the same thoughts I have, the primary purpose of stating those thoughts in the first place was to see how others felt about that. (Of course you could say that's a wolf testing the waters - _ -)

[MartinGG99]

What I keep seeing you do is argue against reasons that aren't my main reason. It feels like misdirection - I didn't suspect you because of a Marmot association, I suspected you because you did something I don't think a villager would ever do. I think it was a mistake, and maybe you had too many factors in play for that decision and you weighted their significance differently than I now do. You should have voted to break the tie, and you chose not to, and you now have a arguments against accusations that no one made as though you were preparing for them.

Yes well I can't take that as fact because ~~I am a villager~~.

To combat you on that reasoning, to me, required arguing for my towniness on other aspects. To say that there's other evidence at play here and I feel like that conclusion simply ignores them.

I think I was still roughly talking about that or hinted towards it when I mentioned "tunel" earlier and implied that I felt that my EoD and voting actions shouldn't be viewed as the exclusive evidence of my alignment.

[MartinGG99]

Actually, I think anything I feel is being used as exclusive evidence (other than a mechanical role check against a claim by me such as a redcheck) is just bound to irritate me to hell.

I don't think anything should be easily treated as exclusive evidence, or given the weight that it is given as compared to other pieces of evidence.

[MartinGG99]

mechanical role or alignment check

ebwop

[Long Con]

Actually, I think anything I feel is being used as exclusive evidence (other than a mechanical role check against a claim by me such as a redcheck) is just bound to irritate me to hell.

I don't think anything should be easily treated as exclusive evidence, or given the weight that it is given as compared to other pieces of evidence.

I'm sorry, but right now, your responses to the accusation have also factored into my opinion of your alignment, in a negative way.

[MartinGG99]

Honestly if I didn't town-read you earlier I would be SR'ing you.

I don't see why you think that my responses are bad and not beyond the range or are somehow plausible for a !wolf Martin to do.

[Long Con]

To combat you on that reasoning, to me, required arguing for my towniness on other aspects. To say that there's other evidence at play here and I feel like that conclusion simply ignores them.

It reads like a wolf who was ready to argue against certain reasons. Like, you brought up the highest poster thing, what that says to me is "I was supposed to get extra townreads off my post count, and I'm not, so I have to bring it up myself which sucks because someone else should have brought it up like I expected".

[MartinGG99]

"I was supposed to get extra townreads off my post count, and I'm not, so I have to bring it up myself which sucks because someone else should have brought it up like I expected".

why is that a problem???

how the hells am I supposed to prove my towniness or show it in this situation where two of my town-reads are pushing me

without it being read as "I was expecting to get town-points off of this"

[MartinGG99]

like I have to prove my towniness

in order to defeat your conclusion that you believe in so much

[MartinGG99]

I got no other choice other that vote-self and just ATE away like some asshole town who doesn't care about the game

[Marmot]

I’m sorta convinced that Nanook might have given us random jokey things to do D0 that don’t mean anything

it's interesting, cuz there wasn't a d0 right? do all of our roles have to do with day 0??

Mine doesn't.

I'm the guy who hammered the un-cc'd vig who wants to vigkill me.

Do you feel... threatened yet.

[Marmot]

PHHHEEEWWW thank god.

but yeah, Martin is probably bad here y'all.
he's the only play this game who seems to have a agenda

LOL

[Marmot]

Sorry Made, but you coming in and voting Martin at what you thought was EOD like that after townreading hi on Day 1.

And then you said he has an agenda. Your vote looks very agenda-esque.

[Marmot]

I get that there's not a large line between controlling the thread and solving the game, but come on guys.

[Long Con]

like I have to prove my towniness

in order to defeat your conclusion that you believe in so much

Have you tried addressing my main issue:

How could a villager possibly leave a tie that they could break?

[Long Con]

I get that there's not a large line between controlling the thread and solving the game, but come on guys.

Ok solve. I'll watch and take notes.

[Marmot]

I get that there's not a large line between controlling the thread and solving the game, but come on guys.

Ok solve. I'll watch and take notes.

See my points about TSP/chuck

[Marmot]

I get that there's not a large line between controlling the thread and solving the game, but come on guys.

Ok solve. I'll watch and take notes.

You're doing a fine job. I just disagree with you. I have more qualm with Made for his popping in with the "I kinda wanna vote Martin" drive-by.


I also can't really entertain your suspicion very well, because I townread Martin, and you think I'm his partner (or at least I think you do).

[MartinGG99]

How could a villager possibly leave a tie that they could break?

I am addressing the main issue because I am that villager. There is no real "how" I can provide you other than what's been stated in the thread and if you want how then all you need to do is look at me during EoD.

If you find that "how" to be unsatisfactory then so be it. I've been arguing all this time trying to show (what I believe to be) is evidence that you could potentially see to realize that conclusion, where villagers never leave a tie they can break, is wrong.

[Long Con]

If you could play the end of Day 1 over again, would you change anything?

[MartinGG99]

I would've likely ensured Esooa's elimination with the context of that day. Marmot had more overall activity at the time I think, and Esooa didn't really react up until around 2 hours prior to EoD if I recall.

Yes, this is sort of an NAI way of looking at things but if Marmot was town then with his higher activity there would be more content that would help me be less lost about him and others.

[MartinGG99]

Well, If marmot was town or mafia.

[MartinGG99]

At that moment I did feel he was possibly town though. I don't see wagons and counter-wagons TR'ing each other often and I felt with this unique opportunity I could be wrong on both of them because originally I wanted one or both of them eliminated.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Nah its fine LC

you were upset by EoD

its concievable you would pursue me in questioning

Made however I just didn't expect at all



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You cannot make another post so soon after your last.

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[TonyStarkPrime]

voting made temporarily before I have time to process that wolves planning a last minute swap probably have a good idea when the day ends

[Long Con]

voting made temporarily before I have time to process that wolves planning a last minute swap probably have a good idea when the day ends

Didn't look planned to me.

[Long Con]

I would've likely ensured Esooa's elimination with the context of that day. Marmot had more overall activity at the time I think, and Esooa didn't really react up until around 2 hours prior to EoD if I recall.

Yes, this is sort of an NAI way of looking at things but if Marmot was town then with his higher activity there would be more content that would help me be less lost about him and others.

Well, If marmot was town or mafia.

Now you make me wonder if that's a scumslip about your partner Marmot.

I also can't really entertain your suspicion very well, because I townread Martin, and you think I'm his partner (or at least I think you do).

I've only mentioned the possibility once, and it was certainly not "I think that if Martin is bad then Marmot is bad", I just said "I guess it makes most sense if Marmot is your partner?" when pressed to come up with reasons wolf-Martin acts that way.

You bringing it up like this makes me believe it more.

I do officially believe now in a Martin-Marmot scumteam.

[MartinGG99]

I've only mentioned the possibility once, and it was certainly not "I think that if Martin is bad then Marmot is bad", I just said "I guess it makes most sense if Marmot is your partner?" when pressed to come up with reasons wolf-Martin acts that way.

Honestly voting me (which implies I'm your top scum-read) and then raising the possibility of me + someone else

is acting like believing in it more regardless, especially with the concept of "I guess it makes most sense if X"

[MartinGG99]

This tunnel is quite frankly ridiculous and I believe I warned about it earlier

at least you talked to me for quite some time about it; it would've been more unpleasant had you come to that conclusion without interacting further

[MartinGG99]

Made
1
9%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
2
18%
Voters: speedchuck, Made
Martin
1
9%
Voters: Long Con
Chuck
2
18%
Voters: MartinGG99, Marmot


Huh.

[MartinGG99]

I'm guessing if I'm not up for the platter by EoD then LC just votes marmot and then marmot flips villa and then LC looks at a recent post of mine talking about how the tie kill and the NK was palnned to spew nothing about marmot and so clearly martin is just open-wolfing scum anyways

[MartinGG99]

honestly if it comes to me or marmot I would rather die than to see LC tunnel any further

[MartinGG99]

Anyways, as of now I only have about 21 more posts before cap so if there's more chaos tomorrow I can't respond to much.