Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Thunal33]

From the limited experience I have I think Michelle will also make her alignment clear soon.

[Alison]

someone ping me with who I should offer a bargain to before EOD, else I'll use my own discretion, and you don't want that since I'm not caught up

[nutella]

Spoiler: show

What?

The only multi-ball game I have ever played in didn't work anything like that, so to state "this is how the game works" is what is often read as TMI.

ive played a lot of multiball games outside of the syndicate and its how it works on most places. two mafia teams that can kill each other

The only multi-ball I played the wolf teams definitely could (and did) kill each other...but they did not alternate nights...they each got a kill every night.

i dont think thats any different than what sloonei is saying? sloonei did say it in a bit weird way but i think he's saying the same thing. i dont think sloonei said that the two teams alternate kills. wait is that what u said? @Sloonei

Every multiball game that I can remember on the Snydicate featured alternating nightkills for the two teams.

oh well thats interesting. alright

i assumed that both teams get a kill every night

its a 27er game, i dont think that games like this should drag for a month lol, there should be like 3-4 kills total per night in a game this size. id never do alternating night kills in this player size

but nevertheless

tbf there was also often a 3p with kp so there would be like 2 kills a night but yeah they would drag pretty long lol

[Sloonei]

Gun to head, this game probably isn’t a multiball, and if it is, all mafia teams don’t know it

What makes you say this?

Everyone feels too confused about it

Would the wolves come out and inform us all if we were unsure?

[tutuu]

someone ping me with who I should offer a bargain to before EOD, else I'll use my own discretion, and you don't want that since I'm not caught up

i (may? not sure?) be in the towncore so ill ping u!

[Justplayingitcool]

Spoiler: show

What?

The only multi-ball game I have ever played in didn't work anything like that, so to state "this is how the game works" is what is often read as TMI.

ive played a lot of multiball games outside of the syndicate and its how it works on most places. two mafia teams that can kill each other

The only multi-ball I played the wolf teams definitely could (and did) kill each other...but they did not alternate nights...they each got a kill every night.

i dont think thats any different than what sloonei is saying? sloonei did say it in a bit weird way but i think he's saying the same thing. i dont think sloonei said that the two teams alternate kills. wait is that what u said? @Sloonei

Every multiball game that I can remember on the Snydicate featured alternating nightkills for the two teams.

oh well thats interesting. alright

i assumed that both teams get a kill every night

its a 27er game, i dont think that games like this should drag for a month lol, there should be like 3-4 kills total per night in a game this size. id never do alternating night kills in this player size

but nevertheless

This feels townish

[Made]

someone ping me with who I should offer a bargain to before EOD, else I'll use my own discretion, and you don't want that since I'm not caught up

Just give it to LC. He’s prob town, plus it’d be cute

[Sloonei]

I forgot about alison’s claim.

Hm

[nutella]

Gun to head, this game probably isn’t a multiball, and if it is, all mafia teams don’t know it

What makes you say this?

Everyone feels too confused about it

Would the wolves come out and inform us all if we were unsure?

lol

[Timsup2nothin]

Does anyone townread Nutella?

Is there any prerequisite here? Like do I have to have read any significant number of posts? Interacted with her at all? Or is just randomly pulling something out of my ass okay?

That's fine. I'm going off of the fact that when Nutella is a consensus suspect she nearly always flips wolf from my experience so I'm using others' opinions to read her.

Okay then, randomly pulled out of my ass Nutella is more likely than most to be a wolf.

[Thunal33]

Gun to head, this game probably isn’t a multiball, and if it is, all mafia teams don’t know it

What makes you say this?

Everyone feels too confused about it

But both mafia teams would pretend to be confused.

[nutella]

i mean yeah it's possible even if it is multiball the teams dont know? like their wincon could just be a vague eliminate all threats or whatever but idk

[Made]

Gun to head, this game probably isn’t a multiball, and if it is, all mafia teams don’t know it

What makes you say this?

Everyone feels too confused about it

Would the wolves come out and inform us all if we were unsure?

What would they have to tell us if they were unsure?

[nutella]

Does anyone townread Nutella?

Is there any prerequisite here? Like do I have to have read any significant number of posts? Interacted with her at all? Or is just randomly pulling something out of my ass okay?

That's fine. I'm going off of the fact that when Nutella is a consensus suspect she nearly always flips wolf from my experience so I'm using others' opinions to read her.

Okay then, randomly pulled out of my ass Nutella is more likely than most to be a wolf.

no u

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

The only multi-ball game I have ever played in didn't work anything like that, so to state "this is how the game works" is what is often read as TMI.

ive played a lot of multiball games outside of the syndicate and its how it works on most places. two mafia teams that can kill each other

The only multi-ball I played the wolf teams definitely could (and did) kill each other...but they did not alternate nights...they each got a kill every night.

i dont think thats any different than what sloonei is saying? sloonei did say it in a bit weird way but i think he's saying the same thing. i dont think sloonei said that the two teams alternate kills. wait is that what u said? @Sloonei

Every multiball game that I can remember on the Snydicate featured alternating nightkills for the two teams.

oh well thats interesting. alright

i assumed that both teams get a kill every night

its a 27er game, i dont think that games like this should drag for a month lol, there should be like 3-4 kills total per night in a game this size. id never do alternating night kills in this player size

but nevertheless

This feels townish

As a host, it certainly seems accurate. I don't see it as particularly related to alignment either way.

[nutella]

im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

[Thunal33]

I forgot about alison’s claim.

Hm

I believe it. I believe her statement that she won't scumside quite a bit less since she actually said at one point that she tends to root for the mafia if one team doesn't clearly play better than the other.

[Made]

Why don’t we ever talk about townranges?

[Timsup2nothin]

im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

Are you suggesting that a GoC can be solved by simply town reading high posters?

[Thunal33]

im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

I've seen you highpost as wolf, being in your townrange is more about your attitude/mindset (it's hard to put it into words) than your postcount.

[Marmot]

Does anyone not have tutuu as town?

Tutuu claimed Epigwhiskers, so she's a hard scumread now.

In both games where i was scum and u were town u got pocketed!

I've never been town when you were scum, can you just confess to me now if this is the first time?

Still seeing @nutella as scum sorry if im seeing wrong

How can my cute belly be scummy

I'd swipe right on a scum before a townie, but that's a personal pref

Yes its true Esooa isnt playing

I was curious why Mich said she gut scumreads Eso so I asked her that question, see if she responded with "yea i still think shes scum"

U guys cant keep it in ur pants!!! Patience!

Pants tell is the new coffee tell

Can someone give me a read on Telemundo?

What is a telemundo?

Mich why u lying about ur reads?

I have the right to remain silent because of certain rules.

However, now that i think more clear in this direction, Sloonei and Radishes are looking like scum for me

I'd like elaboration on these. I'm pretty firm town on sloonei but open to radish sus

Can you explain the firmentation of your sloontownread?

[nutella]

im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

Are you suggesting that a GoC can be solved by simply town reading high posters?

no just me specifically

[TonyStarkPrime]

Banjo - Kazooie is a fuckin epic game, but Goldeneye is better

incorrect

Ok, this guy is prolly town. Only a towny could be so wrong

goldeneye was good for its time but has been surpassed in its genre ten times over.

[Sloonei]

Gun to head, this game probably isn’t a multiball, and if it is, all mafia teams don’t know it

What makes you say this?

Everyone feels too confused about it

Would the wolves come out and inform us all if we were unsure?

What would they have to tell us if they were unsure?

I suspect they’d do their best to look like uninformed and unsure civilians.

What are you hoping to accomplish with this line of questioning? That’s not me being dismissive, i’m genuinely asking.

[Marmot]

Never mind, you explained it.

[Thunal33]

@Dyslexicon hi play this game please?

[Made]

Gun to head, this game probably isn’t a multiball, and if it is, all mafia teams don’t know it

What makes you say this?

Everyone feels too confused about it

Would the wolves come out and inform us all if we were unsure?

What would they have to tell us if they were unsure?

I suspect they’d do their best to look like uninformed and unsure civilians.

What are you hoping to accomplish with this line of questioning? That’s not me being dismissive, i’m genuinely asking.

Imo questions like these are easier to answer when you don’t know things.
Less things you gotta worry about leaking. If things do ended up leaking, even if we can’t figure out exactly how it leaked, town has more info

[tutuu]

im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

in the games where you are obv town you are a high poster and i think a lot of your posts are ... viscous. whereas rn i feel like a lot of your posts are ... watery. i could be wrong but thats just how i see it!

if you are town you should stop using this scumrange thing as a crutch imo >.< i dont think its that hard to play as scum and fake a bunch of posts! (if you aren't town carry on using the scumrange thing as defense, its fair game then. but if you are town its kind of ... meh)

[Sloonei]

I forgot about alison’s claim.

Hm

I believe it. I believe her statement that she won't scumside quite a bit less since she actually said at one point that she tends to root for the mafia if one team doesn't clearly play better than the other.

I definitely believe her in the sense that I do not think there is a universe in which Mafialison makes that claim in her first post. But, yeah, I hesitate to accept that she will not pose any threat to the town’s win condition, or that she has not concealed things from us.

Can people who played Shadow Corridors talk more about how that role works/worked?

[Sloonei]

Gun to head, this game probably isn’t a multiball, and if it is, all mafia teams don’t know it

What makes you say this?

Everyone feels too confused about it

Would the wolves come out and inform us all if we were unsure?

What would they have to tell us if they were unsure?

I suspect they’d do their best to look like uninformed and unsure civilians.

What are you hoping to accomplish with this line of questioning? That’s not me being dismissive, i’m genuinely asking.

Imo questions like these are easier to answer when you don’t know things.
Less things you gotta worry about leaking. If things do ended up leaking, even if we can’t figure out exactly how it leaked, town has more info

This is fair. Carry on.

[Marmot]

I also think Tutuu is town more strongly now for baiting Michelle. Idt Michelle is necessarily scummy for forgetting Esooa was playing, i've seen town do that before (I saw a townie seriously put the hosts in his readslist once).

I've voted for or stated reads on non-players before, but I've only done it when I'm scum.


But nobody's allowed to use this against me k?

[Marmot]

Actually, I might have done it as a civilian, but I can recall two specific instances recently, and I was scum both times.

[nutella]

im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

in the games where you are obv town you are a high poster and i think a lot of your posts are ... viscous. whereas rn i feel like a lot of your posts are ... watery. i could be wrong but thats just how i see it!

if you are town you should stop using this scumrange thing as a crutch imo >.< i dont think its that hard to play as scum and fake a bunch of posts! (if you aren't town carry on using the scumrange thing as defense, its fair game then. but if you are town its kind of ... meh)

U sayin i need to be thicc

[tutuu]

I've never been town when you were scum, can you just confess to me now if this is the first time?

its not!

[Timsup2nothin]

im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

Are you suggesting that a GoC can be solved by simply town reading high posters?

no just me specifically

Okay.

[nutella]

I forgot about alison’s claim.

Hm

I believe it. I believe her statement that she won't scumside quite a bit less since she actually said at one point that she tends to root for the mafia if one team doesn't clearly play better than the other.

I definitely believe her in the sense that I do not think there is a universe in which Mafialison makes that claim in her first post. But, yeah, I hesitate to accept that she will not pose any threat to the town’s win condition, or that she has not concealed things from us.

Can people who played Shadow Corridors talk more about how that role works/worked?

she says it works a bit differently than it did there so it's prob just better to read her post closely (i haven't really lol)

[Marmot]

Mmm yes, chop everyone to catch all the wolves.

You can’t argue with that math.

In what order do you propose doing this dear friend?

[tutuu]

im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

in the games where you are obv town you are a high poster and i think a lot of your posts are ... viscous. whereas rn i feel like a lot of your posts are ... watery. i could be wrong but thats just how i see it!

if you are town you should stop using this scumrange thing as a crutch imo >.< i dont think its that hard to play as scum and fake a bunch of posts! (if you aren't town carry on using the scumrange thing as defense, its fair game then. but if you are town its kind of ... meh)

U sayin i need to be thicc

well, who wouldnt want a thicc nutella

[Marmot]

If the host is NK’d does the game stop or...?

My current assumption is this is the reason we have two host. One for each of the multiballs

[VOTE: Made] aubergine


I've already claimed host btw, but I'm not on a scum team.

[Timsup2nothin]

im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

in the games where you are obv town you are a high poster and i think a lot of your posts are ... viscous. whereas rn i feel like a lot of your posts are ... watery. i could be wrong but thats just how i see it!

if you are town you should stop using this scumrange thing as a crutch imo >.< i dont think its that hard to play as scum and fake a bunch of posts! (if you aren't town carry on using the scumrange thing as defense, its fair game then. but if you are town its kind of ... meh)

U sayin i need to be thicc

I like thicc, myself.

[Thunal33]

I forgot about alison’s claim.

Hm

I believe it. I believe her statement that she won't scumside quite a bit less since she actually said at one point that she tends to root for the mafia if one team doesn't clearly play better than the other.

I definitely believe her in the sense that I do not think there is a universe in which Mafialison makes that claim in her first post. But, yeah, I hesitate to accept that she will not pose any threat to the town’s win condition, or that she has not concealed things from us.

Can people who played Shadow Corridors talk more about how that role works/worked?

The Gambit Demon had three tiers for making a deal and their wincon was to get someone to take a Tier 3 deal or bargain with 7 players. They could say anything they wanted about the deals:

Tier 1: I think it was a roleblock, but the person who took the bargain's vote didn't count for the next day.
Tier 2: Bus driver, and there was some negative consequence I don't remember
Tier 3: Vig shot that also killed the person who took the bargain.

The gambit demon could win with town. We can assume that there are negative consequences for taking the deals, but I think Alison's wincon is compatible with town.

[Marmot]

If there are two scum teams, should we just sit back and let them destroy each other?

[Justplayingitcool]

If there are two scum teams, should we just sit back and let them destroy each other?

If it means I don't have to read, then yes

[Sloonei]

Nutella reads me very well. She is one of the players Mafia Sloonei worries about the most. She has gotten better at discerning the differences between my town and scum games recently, and catches me most of the time when I’m bad.

As such, I usually gauge my read on her through her read on me. In this game she treated me with some initial skepticism but came around to a town read before long. I feel like I’ve been decently town to this point, but not in the hyperactive and undeniable way that I am capable of. If nutella is a mafier here, I feel like she keeps up the skepticism a bit longer, either to keep me off balance or to earn my trust by challenging me. That she town reads me for a more subdued (by my standards) town performance thus far is a good sign to me.

Nutella town.

[tutuu]

If there are two scum teams, should we just sit back and let them destroy each other?

i was just thinking about

potentially being in town's favor to not be obv town so town doesnt get night killed

it will make it kinda frustrating for other people to get reads off

but...

like, have i done a mistake by being so obv town? if i eat a night kill - isnt that bad? because instead one of the wolves could have eaten a night kill and i could tactically obvtown at a later stage?

thoughts to ponder

[Made]

Nutella reads me very well. She is one of the players Mafia Sloonei worries about the most. She has gotten better at discerning the differences between my town and scum games recently, and catches me most of the time when I’m bad.

As such, I usually gauge my read on her through her read on me. In this game she treated me with some initial skepticism but came around to a town read before long. I feel like I’ve been decently town to this point, but not in the hyperactive and undeniable way that I am capable of. If nutella is a mafier here, I feel like she keeps up the skepticism a bit longer, either to keep me off balance or to earn my trust by challenging me. That she town reads me for a more subdued (by my standards) town performance thus far is a good sign to me.

Nutella town.

@tutuu

For example this would be team Sloonutelle

[Justplayingitcool]

Nutella reads me very well. She is one of the players Mafia Sloonei worries about the most. She has gotten better at discerning the differences between my town and scum games recently, and catches me most of the time when I’m bad.

As such, I usually gauge my read on her through her read on me. In this game she treated me with some initial skepticism but came around to a town read before long. I feel like I’ve been decently town to this point, but not in the hyperactive and undeniable way that I am capable of. If nutella is a mafier here, I feel like she keeps up the skepticism a bit longer, either to keep me off balance or to earn my trust by challenging me. That she town reads me for a more subdued (by my standards) town performance thus far is a good sign to me.

Nutella town.

Yes, but there's still the possibility of you being scum together so this means nothing to me

[Marmot]

If there are two scum teams, should we just sit back and let them destroy each other?

If it means I don't have to read, then yes

If you're town... then yes

[Dyslexicon]

I exist, but don't expect me to post before at least half the game is dead. Sorryboutit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Made]

Inb4 this goes too far, I doubt sloonei would play this THIS hard if Nutella and Sloonei were on the same team. Mafia may just be pocketing each other