Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Long Con]

I get called out for being "opportunistic" almost every town game it's kinda funny

Nutella, I've been in a game or two where you wolfed and you got flat caught for being opportunistic. I can believe that you have incentive to make opportunism a feature in your town play to make it NAI. I can also believe that it is just something you do and is genuinely NAI. But you might wanna not laugh it off because in just my short time I have seen it getting you sussed both correctly and incorrectly, so maybe you wanna just jettison it?

Which games?

[Sloonei]

Break for reading that i guess

are you looking for an out?

[Thunal33]

My issue with Nutella here is that I've had basically no content as is normal for me, and yet somehow she's giving a pass to other posters with similar reps (Nanook, Wilgy, et al) and apparently can't formulate any better reads on people with far more content. I am her *only* wolf read, and all I've done is shitpost as usual. My one bit of content, at a stretch, is a mild and brief back and forth with falcon where I felt he was being hedgey and forcing a push on me (and I stand by that, though I don't know it's AI for him) and that's apaprently enough to have her decide I am not only a wolf but her *only* wolf so far.

It's an opportunistic nudge and she's not disguising it well enough.

I don't think she's given a pass to Nanook at all. Also I dislike that you're pushing Nutella because she kind of is obvtown at this point (when I've seen her wolf she hasn't had nearly as much conviction and aggressiveness as she does as town) and I feel like the reasons you're using of "why is Nut only scumreading me for low content this is unfair" can easily come from scum.

Nutella is obv town?

I think so. She doesn't replicate her town meta that well as wolf ime and doesn't have the same conviction. She's felt less comfortable and almost aimless the last couple times I saw her wolf.

Like, she makes pushes as wolf but doesn't have the same reasoning and conviction behind them. For example, this game her analyzing Nook's fluff posts was a really towny post since I don't think w!Nutella would think to look in that level of detail.

[nutella]

Yeah I like that Hyena case. The "reaction testing" thing was certainly a weird discredit and I'm not convinced the sloonei suspicion was ever real. For some reason I liked a few of his posts overnight but reading over this is bringing me back, I may un-table him

[112]

I will say that it looks like Nute is turning the back-and-forth into a "look, maybe you're town" when the start of the conversation was more centred around MR thinking she's wolfing. It's possible she's trying to placate.

You said Nut was obvtown earlier, do you still townread her?

Yes.

I'll say something if there's a bad look for my townreads but it doesn't mean my read has changed.

[nutella]

Inb4 I'm opportunistic for that last post

[Thunal33]

I get called out for being "opportunistic" almost every town game it's kinda funny

Nutella, I've been in a game or two where you wolfed and you got flat caught for being opportunistic. I can believe that you have incentive to make opportunism a feature in your town play to make it NAI. I can also believe that it is just something you do and is genuinely NAI. But you might wanna not laugh it off because in just my short time I have seen it getting you sussed both correctly and incorrectly, so maybe you wanna just jettison it?

Doesn't being opportunistic with pushes require TMI?

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim, what’s your take on the MR/nutella fisticuffs?

If there was a host post confirming one as wolf I'd say that one is Nutella 90% plus, but without that confirmation it is like as not TvT.

But it's another thing where I am really curious about what Sloonei would have to say. I am already dangerously close to saying that if Nutella or Sloonei ever flips wolf I will turbo the other.

[Made]

I get called out for being "opportunistic" almost every town game it's kinda funny

Nutella, I've been in a game or two where you wolfed and you got flat caught for being opportunistic. I can believe that you have incentive to make opportunism a feature in your town play to make it NAI. I can also believe that it is just something you do and is genuinely NAI. But you might wanna not laugh it off because in just my short time I have seen it getting you sussed both correctly and incorrectly, so maybe you wanna just jettison it?

Doesn't being opportunistic with pushes require TMI?

nah
for example
[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

[nutella]

I get called out for being "opportunistic" almost every town game it's kinda funny

Nutella, I've been in a game or two where you wolfed and you got flat caught for being opportunistic. I can believe that you have incentive to make opportunism a feature in your town play to make it NAI. I can also believe that it is just something you do and is genuinely NAI. But you might wanna not laugh it off because in just my short time I have seen it getting you sussed both correctly and incorrectly, so maybe you wanna just jettison it?

this isn't a thing. I don't deliberately play wolfy as town, ever. It's in fact probably part of why I'm bad at wolfing, bc I don't put any thought into that as town and just play how I feel. I'm saying that I get called "opportunistic" for things that are just genuine reads.

[nutella]

Break for reading that i guess

are you looking for an out?

No I legit didn't want to and thought your timing was rather amazingly bad

[Sloonei]

I suppose I should figure out what you're all on about now too.

[Timsup2nothin]

I get called out for being "opportunistic" almost every town game it's kinda funny

Nutella, I've been in a game or two where you wolfed and you got flat caught for being opportunistic. I can believe that you have incentive to make opportunism a feature in your town play to make it NAI. I can also believe that it is just something you do and is genuinely NAI. But you might wanna not laugh it off because in just my short time I have seen it getting you sussed both correctly and incorrectly, so maybe you wanna just jettison it?

Which games?

Radiohead and U-Pick.

[Sloonei]

Break for reading that i guess

are you looking for an out?

No I legit didn't want to and thought your timing was rather amazingly bad

oops

[nutella]

Tim, what’s your take on the MR/nutella fisticuffs?

If there was a host post confirming one as wolf I'd say that one is Nutella 90% plus, but without that confirmation it is like as not TvT.

But it's another thing where I am really curious about what Sloonei would have to say. I am already dangerously close to saying that if Nutella or Sloonei ever flips wolf I will turbo the other.

if Sloonei is wolf he has me pocketed and that would be very deliberate on his part. I don't think it's the case though.

His Hyena wall just now is classic town sloonei

[Thunal33]

Okay, for real though? Sloonei is mafia. He's the only one that seems to not be joking around with any of us at the moment. He seems very uncomfortable at the moment, which I also take to mean that he doesn't have any teammates that are active right now. Make a note who's joking around right now.

i dont rly gotta prove anything though. lets say for the sake of argument we're both town and take that as fact temporarily. if u can argue that my perception of u was off and i should be fixing it, i can easily argue that if ur wrongly scumreading me its ur fault and u should be forced to walk back naked thu burning coals. so like, this "blaming game" of "u did something i dislike" doesntcut it for me / im not gonna play it / im not gonna accept to feel pressured into being towny in case ppl arent interpreting me as towny. im here playing my town game, saying whats on my mind, and it is what it is, im not rly gonna jump thru hoops and loops to please demands

This sounds and feels defensive!

ANYWAY

It looks like my towncore right now is Nutella, Tutuu, Kylemii, and Thunal? Sloonei, Mac, and Syn are NOT in based on reading this page.

You shouldn't be townreading me. Why are you?

yeah that's a big flag

most of Hyena's posts have been NAI with one that I thought was towny

lol, 112 is scum

To clarify why, 112 slipped that she hasn't read "most" of my posts.

I'm looking through Hyena's ISO rn and these don't look like real thoughts (the reasoning on these takes is weak).

[Sloonei]

I get called out for being "opportunistic" almost every town game it's kinda funny

Nutella, I've been in a game or two where you wolfed and you got flat caught for being opportunistic. I can believe that you have incentive to make opportunism a feature in your town play to make it NAI. I can also believe that it is just something you do and is genuinely NAI. But you might wanna not laugh it off because in just my short time I have seen it getting you sussed both correctly and incorrectly, so maybe you wanna just jettison it?

Which games?

Radiohead and U-Pick.

I thought she was suspected for memeing too much in Radiohead. But I wasn't playing, so maybe i missed some nuance.

I definitely remember an opportunistic nutella in u-pick.

[nutella]

[VOTE: hyena] aubergine

[Timsup2nothin]

Break for reading that i guess

are you looking for an out?

It was hard for me not to think you were providing her one.

However you had shadowed that you were working on something...and now we know what.

But I'm still looking to you for reading through the Radishes Nutella interaction and giving an opinion.

[nutella]

Damn look at me just hopping on that wagon

[Timsup2nothin]

I get called out for being "opportunistic" almost every town game it's kinda funny

Nutella, I've been in a game or two where you wolfed and you got flat caught for being opportunistic. I can believe that you have incentive to make opportunism a feature in your town play to make it NAI. I can also believe that it is just something you do and is genuinely NAI. But you might wanna not laugh it off because in just my short time I have seen it getting you sussed both correctly and incorrectly, so maybe you wanna just jettison it?

Doesn't being opportunistic with pushes require TMI?

Not really. A lot of town players don't like being sussed, and they can "get on the easy one" just instinctively to make themselves "part of the crowd."

[Justplayingitcool]

Okay, i buy the nutella/MR as a v/v interaction now. Nutella’s ATE has won me over

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Tune in next episode for MR pushing 112 for being scum.

[Made]

Damn look at me just hopping on that wagon

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[Made]

Damn look at me just hopping on that wagon

[nutella]

I like to think I've gotten better at reading Radish and he really just feels more in his scum meta from his level of engagement here. And he keeps saying "I've just been fluffing as usual" when that's entirely *not* what he's been doing, I would have townread him if he was.

But maybe I should just wait for @Dyslexicon to read him


I've been wrong about Hyena a few times too but I agree with thunal, his sloonei takes look more manufactured than not.

[nutella]

Okay, i buy the nutella/MR as a v/v interaction now. Nutella’s ATE has won me over

Cool thanks wolf

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim, what’s your take on the MR/nutella fisticuffs?

If there was a host post confirming one as wolf I'd say that one is Nutella 90% plus, but without that confirmation it is like as not TvT.

But it's another thing where I am really curious about what Sloonei would have to say. I am already dangerously close to saying that if Nutella or Sloonei ever flips wolf I will turbo the other.

if Sloonei is wolf he has me pocketed and that would be very deliberate on his part. I don't think it's the case though.

His Hyena wall just now is classic town sloonei

I agree with two out of three sentences here, and the third one I just think is neutral.

[nutella]

Jpic has been trending down down down

[nutella]

Tune in next episode for MR pushing 112 for being scum.

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[Justplayingitcool]

Jpic has been trending down down down

Go on

[Master Radishes]

I like to think I've gotten better at reading Radish and he really just feels more in his scum meta from his level of engagement here. And he keeps saying "I've just been fluffing as usual" when that's entirely *not* what he's been doing, I would have townread him if he was.

(Not trying to start anything - I'm genuinely curious here.) Our little spat aside, what have I done that's not fluffing?

I don't remember every single post I've made, but I've given very little thought to this game so far and have not read most of it, so your take on me here surprises me. I don't know if I've accidentally done some solving or something and just forgotten about it?

[dunya]

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[dyachei]

hey all, catching up. anyone wanna give me some cliff notes?

[Timsup2nothin]

I get called out for being "opportunistic" almost every town game it's kinda funny

Nutella, I've been in a game or two where you wolfed and you got flat caught for being opportunistic. I can believe that you have incentive to make opportunism a feature in your town play to make it NAI. I can also believe that it is just something you do and is genuinely NAI. But you might wanna not laugh it off because in just my short time I have seen it getting you sussed both correctly and incorrectly, so maybe you wanna just jettison it?

Which games?

Radiohead and U-Pick.

I thought she was suspected for memeing too much in Radiohead. But I wasn't playing, so maybe i missed some nuance.

I definitely remember an opportunistic nutella in u-pick.

Radiohead she got kinda slam dunked by Mac who usually shorthands the actual reasoning into "because I say so"...or maybe I just tune out his reasoning and either go along or don't...but I personally was kinda seeing similarities from opportunistic U-Pick Nutella in Radiohead.

[MacDougall]

Here I am

[Master Radishes]

hey all, catching up. anyone wanna give me some cliff notes?

I'm scum.

[nutella]

Jpic has been trending down down down

Go on

You've been on the sidelines and nudging forward suspicions of me, and now calling me/radish v/v could be tmi or you could be his teammate. Your iso is really passive as a whole and you seem to want to go with the flow, and a bit more so when the "flow" was to suspect me.

[dyachei]

hey all, catching up. anyone wanna give me some cliff notes?

I'm scum.

I can see it

[MacDougall]

I see Conlong San has joined me on the Wagon of Wilg.

[Timsup2nothin]

hey all, catching up. anyone wanna give me some cliff notes?

My cliff note is :don't bother...I've backread nothing and seem to be doing fine.

And welcome to the game...I am really excited to be playing with you again!!!

[nutella]

Oh hey dya!

[dyachei]

are you a wolf tim?

[nutella]

hey all, catching up. anyone wanna give me some cliff notes?

Hyena has been a pretty hot topic. Myself, radish, and nanook to varying extents as well

[Timsup2nothin]

are you a wolf tim?

Not this time, sadly.

I mean, I'm always a wolf, but the rand has betrayed me again so I am a leashed town wolf instead of my favored free roaming wolf wolf.

[Thunal33]

I like to think I've gotten better at reading Radish and he really just feels more in his scum meta from his level of engagement here. And he keeps saying "I've just been fluffing as usual" when that's entirely *not* what he's been doing, I would have townread him if he was.

But maybe I should just wait for @Dyslexicon to read him


I've been wrong about Hyena a few times too but I agree with thunal, his sloonei takes look more manufactured than not.

Does he tend to engage more as town than as mafia?

[nutella]

I like to think I've gotten better at reading Radish and he really just feels more in his scum meta from his level of engagement here. And he keeps saying "I've just been fluffing as usual" when that's entirely *not* what he's been doing, I would have townread him if he was.

(Not trying to start anything - I'm genuinely curious here.) Our little spat aside, what have I done that's not fluffing?

I don't remember every single post I've made, but I've given very little thought to this game so far and have not read most of it, so your take on me here surprises me. I don't know if I've accidentally done some solving or something and just forgotten about it?

Well sure part of it is including our exchange. But your exchange with falcon earlier too was a bit more serious and defensive than I'd expect from town you.

[Timsup2nothin]

Jpic has been trending down down down

Go on

You've been on the sidelines and nudging forward suspicions of me, and now calling me/radish v/v could be tmi or you could be his teammate. Your iso is really passive as a whole and you seem to want to go with the flow, and a bit more so when the "flow" was to suspect me.

Are you accusing JPIC of opportunistically pushing you without good reasons?

[dyachei]

oh this is a dope playerlist

and tim it's good to play with you again, i just have concerns about you lying to me here