Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

My issue with Nutella here is that I've had basically no content as is normal for me, and yet somehow she's giving a pass to other posters with similar reps (Nanook, Wilgy, et al) and apparently can't formulate any better reads on people with far more content. I am her *only* wolf read, and all I've done is shitpost as usual. My one bit of content, at a stretch, is a mild and brief back and forth with falcon where I felt he was being hedgey and forcing a push on me (and I stand by that, though I don't know it's AI for him) and that's apaprently enough to have her decide I am not only a wolf but her *only* wolf so far.

It's an opportunistic nudge and she's not disguising it well enough.

I guess I'll just continue my hard defense of nutella then.

Nutella has not given a pass to Nanook at all. She made a big post about why he's scum earlier in the phase and spent a lot of the early-early game pushing him. I think she's also been on the wilgy wagon at times, as evidenced by the post I just asked her to follow up on. So that part of Radish's argument here falls flat for me.

I would not disagree that focusing predominantly on low-content players in such a busy game is not the best look, though. If I have a criticism for nutella here, it is that. But, in the case of nanook particular, I felt her argument was more nuanced than simply "low activity bad." I can't say the same for Radish and Wilgy.

@nutella is there anyone you think is flying under the radar who deserves more attention than they are getting so far?

jpic

Let's do it! Gimme some bullet points about Justplayingitscummy

Main points here

Jpic has been trending down down down

Go on

You've been on the sidelines and nudging forward suspicions of me, and now calling me/radish v/v could be tmi or you could be his teammate. Your iso is really passive as a whole and you seem to want to go with the flow, and a bit more so when the "flow" was to suspect me.

Mostly that he's been watching stuff on the sidelines just interjecting here and there. There's nothing inspiring in his iso and he seemed to tag along on the nutella-scummy train without much actual conviction.

[Timsup2nothin]

Look I don't want to draw this out into a tunnely back and forth. I will listen and consider. Im just saying my read on you is as real as any strong gut read I get early game, and I'm often right on those.

I like the tone of this post. nutella doesn't like the direction things are heading, and it is starting to feel like the nutella/radish thing can become a bit of a black hole in the thread, so she steps back and tries to cool things off before they reach that point. I just keep seeing town nutella everywhere.

Problem with that is the timing. Maybe it was to keep the thread from sliding into the black hole, but maybe it was to keep it from crystalizing into "yeah, Radish probs town, Nutella probs not"...because that did seem to be the rising consensus among the people active in the thread at the time. Now, that needs to be buffered by (IMO) Radishes just being a more effective domer than Nutella so getting out of the dome is the smart play for Nutella in any case.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

Sorry but I already know that you're mafia. I also know people like you too much so I won't get anywhere with this. I just want it on record because you're gonna shoot me n1 like you did last time I nailed you as mafia d1.

[Justplayingitcool]

My issue with Nutella here is that I've had basically no content as is normal for me, and yet somehow she's giving a pass to other posters with similar reps (Nanook, Wilgy, et al) and apparently can't formulate any better reads on people with far more content. I am her *only* wolf read, and all I've done is shitpost as usual. My one bit of content, at a stretch, is a mild and brief back and forth with falcon where I felt he was being hedgey and forcing a push on me (and I stand by that, though I don't know it's AI for him) and that's apaprently enough to have her decide I am not only a wolf but her *only* wolf so far.

It's an opportunistic nudge and she's not disguising it well enough.

I guess I'll just continue my hard defense of nutella then.

Nutella has not given a pass to Nanook at all. She made a big post about why he's scum earlier in the phase and spent a lot of the early-early game pushing him. I think she's also been on the wilgy wagon at times, as evidenced by the post I just asked her to follow up on. So that part of Radish's argument here falls flat for me.

I would not disagree that focusing predominantly on low-content players in such a busy game is not the best look, though. If I have a criticism for nutella here, it is that. But, in the case of nanook particular, I felt her argument was more nuanced than simply "low activity bad." I can't say the same for Radish and Wilgy.

@nutella is there anyone you think is flying under the radar who deserves more attention than they are getting so far?

jpic

Let's do it! Gimme some bullet points about Justplayingitscummy

Main points here

Jpic has been trending down down down

Go on

You've been on the sidelines and nudging forward suspicions of me, and now calling me/radish v/v could be tmi or you could be his teammate. Your iso is really passive as a whole and you seem to want to go with the flow, and a bit more so when the "flow" was to suspect me.

Mostly that he's been watching stuff on the sidelines just interjecting here and there. There's nothing inspiring in his iso and he seemed to tag along on the nutella-scummy train without much actual conviction.

smh, at least include my response

Jpic has been trending down down down

Go on

You've been on the sidelines and nudging forward suspicions of me, and now calling me/radish v/v could be tmi or you could be his teammate. Your iso is really passive as a whole and you seem to want to go with the flow, and a bit more so when the "flow" was to suspect me.

I don't think that's a fair interpretation of events, really.

I voiced suspicions at Syn during day 0, which I had changed my mind on and said as much in my ISO, which you have kindly brought up. I was very clear on my thoughts during your whole spat with Radishes and felt confident that he was town. Calling the following as TMI is lol: "I buy the nutella/MR as a v/v interaction now".

[nutella]

Go on

You've been on the sidelines and nudging forward suspicions of me, and now calling me/radish v/v could be tmi or you could be his teammate. Your iso is really passive as a whole and you seem to want to go with the flow, and a bit more so when the "flow" was to suspect me.

I don't think that's a fair interpretation of events, really.

I voiced suspicions at Syn during day 0, which I had changed my mind on and said as much in my ISO, which you have kindly brought up. I was very clear on my thoughts during your whole spat with Radishes and felt confident that he was town. Calling the following as TMI is lol: "I buy the nutella/MR as a v/v interaction now".

what makes you so confident radish is town and what is the extent of your prior experience with him?

I admit that I have not played with scum!Radish. So I could be wildly offbase.

He seems very similar to how he played in Radiohead, but perhaps with slightly more investment in this game, but that could be because this is champs. Like I said earlier though, his reactions felt genuine and didn't come across as faked to me, alongside I thought he came up with some pretty good points during the exchange as well.

ok

well I can tell you that "coming up with good points" might be a wolftell for radish

I learned my lesson there back in the covid game

Are you implying that radish makes bad points as town

No, he hardly makes any. At least for the first couple days.

[MacDougall]

I've largely vibed with both sloonei and tutuu who are strong town leader types and somehow the rest of the thread is against me, it's weird

Towncore gotta take charge

We'll make our own towncore. @tutuu get in here.

Or you fuckers can just listen to me for once.

Who bad

[Sloonei]

I said it once?

Say it twice. I command you.

And I was calling her town in the post you quoted.

It doesn't look like it.

This is not a productive discussion. You have called me scum off an on for most of the game and have almost always linked nutella in. I assumed that is because we have been firmly town reading each other. If there is more to it, I am unclear on why. I am trying to find that out.

[DrWilgy]

I've largely vibed with both sloonei and tutuu who are strong town leader types and somehow the rest of the thread is against me, it's weird

Towncore gotta take charge

We'll make our own towncore. @tutuu get in here.

Or you fuckers can just listen to me for once.

Who bad

Sloon

[Sloonei]

I've largely vibed with both sloonei and tutuu who are strong town leader types and somehow the rest of the thread is against me, it's weird

Towncore gotta take charge

We'll make our own towncore. @tutuu get in here.

Or you fuckers can just listen to me for once.

You are trying to tell me I am bad, Doctor.

[nutella]

Look I don't want to draw this out into a tunnely back and forth. I will listen and consider. Im just saying my read on you is as real as any strong gut read I get early game, and I'm often right on those.

I like the tone of this post. nutella doesn't like the direction things are heading, and it is starting to feel like the nutella/radish thing can become a bit of a black hole in the thread, so she steps back and tries to cool things off before they reach that point. I just keep seeing town nutella everywhere.

Problem with that is the timing. Maybe it was to keep the thread from sliding into the black hole, but maybe it was to keep it from crystalizing into "yeah, Radish probs town, Nutella probs not"...because that did seem to be the rising consensus among the people active in the thread at the time. Now, that needs to be buffered by (IMO) Radishes just being a more effective domer than Nutella so getting out of the dome is the smart play for Nutella in any case.

Lol I think this is more a sign of other people not knowing how to read radish. I'm telling you, any perceived persistence and rationality from him in that argument is more in line with his scum meta.

[DrWilgy]

I've largely vibed with both sloonei and tutuu who are strong town leader types and somehow the rest of the thread is against me, it's weird

Towncore gotta take charge

We'll make our own towncore. @tutuu get in here.

Or you fuckers can just listen to me for once.

You are trying to tell me I am bad, Doctor.

Vote for yourself. Bet you wont.

[MacDougall]

I said it once?

Say it twice. I command you.

And I was calling her town in the post you quoted.

It doesn't look like it.

This is not a productive discussion. You have called me scum off an on for most of the game and have almost always linked nutella in. I assumed that is because we have been firmly town reading each other. If there is more to it, I am unclear on why. I am trying to find that out.

Look hombres. I just don't vibe your pushes. I thought Hyena got really town last time I was reading his shit and saw a 5 player Hyena wagon led by you so I just automatically assumed you probs bad man.

But that's also probs just wrong. The scum there is Made... and probably Thunal.

[nutella]

jpic your response had very little to do with most of my point. I saw that you townread radish yes, but you also tagged onto suspicions of me earlier and unrelated to that. Idk what the syn thing has to do with anything.

[nutella]

I said it once?

Say it twice. I command you.

And I was calling her town in the post you quoted.

It doesn't look like it.

This is not a productive discussion. You have called me scum off an on for most of the game and have almost always linked nutella in. I assumed that is because we have been firmly town reading each other. If there is more to it, I am unclear on why. I am trying to find that out.

Look hombres. I just don't vibe your pushes. I thought Hyena got really town last time I was reading his shit and saw a 5 player Hyena wagon led by you so I just automatically assumed you probs bad man.

But that's also probs just wrong. The scum there is Made... and probably Thunal.

Made I can see. Thunal I have mixed feelings on -- she felt around for an early push on me and then decided I was obvtowning after all. That could be a genuine progression or it could be mafia afraid to push on me. I lean the former

[MacDougall]

Falcon
JPIC
LC
Made
Nanook
Tutuu

This where I'd launch missiles tbh

[Justplayingitcool]

jpic your response had very little to do with most of my point. I saw that you townread radish yes, but you also tagged onto suspicions of me earlier and unrelated to that. Idk what the syn thing has to do with anything.

You brought up my iso and said it was largely passive. I felt this was disingenuous considering the rest of the reads I was throwing out before your schlong battle with Radish

[Sloonei]

I said it once?

Say it twice. I command you.

And I was calling her town in the post you quoted.

It doesn't look like it.

This is not a productive discussion. You have called me scum off an on for most of the game and have almost always linked nutella in. I assumed that is because we have been firmly town reading each other. If there is more to it, I am unclear on why. I am trying to find that out.

Look hombres. I just don't vibe your pushes. I thought Hyena got really town last time I was reading his shit and saw a 5 player Hyena wagon led by you so I just automatically assumed you probs bad man.

But that's also probs just wrong. The scum there is Made... and probably Thunal.

I have not taken a close look at Thunal, but every time I see her post I feel good about it.

Made has made some eyebrow-raising posts. I caught him quickly in the Christmas game, but I don't think that makes me an expert on reading him or anything. Are you capable of selling me on him right now?

[nutella]

Does anyone fancy a salad for lunch? I'd be happy to vote any of hyena, nook, radish, or maybe made.

[DrWilgy]

@Long Con or anyone else want to talk about hinting Moe with

Spoiler: show

Damn my elderly double-clicking finger. I thought we had security on this now.

I ate it.

But I ordered you a single plum, floating in perfume, served in a man's hat.

then going for the lowest hanging fruit on the goddamned planet?

Spoiler: show

Yeah, I plan on pocketing them. Nice Avatar dad.

It is awesome. @Long Con made it. I think it's the best avatar that was ever created.

It may be my finest avatar work. It's nice to have created something where I can say "I can die now, and my life will have had meaning".

Your life has always had meaning LC. You are my friend.

Yes, I saw you put me on your hypothetical Wolf team!

You said you're not a doctor this time. That's the first time you have said that in many games. Why?

That's why it's a tell.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine Watch how you eat your Oreos.

[nutella]

Falcon
JPIC
LC
Made
Nanook
Tutuu

This where I'd launch missiles tbh

why falcon?

[MacDougall]

I said it once?

Say it twice. I command you.

And I was calling her town in the post you quoted.

It doesn't look like it.

This is not a productive discussion. You have called me scum off an on for most of the game and have almost always linked nutella in. I assumed that is because we have been firmly town reading each other. If there is more to it, I am unclear on why. I am trying to find that out.

Look hombres. I just don't vibe your pushes. I thought Hyena got really town last time I was reading his shit and saw a 5 player Hyena wagon led by you so I just automatically assumed you probs bad man.

But that's also probs just wrong. The scum there is Made... and probably Thunal.

I have not taken a close look at Thunal, but every time I see her post I feel good about it.

Made has made some eyebrow-raising posts. I caught him quickly in the Christmas game, but I don't think that makes me an expert on reading him or anything. Are you capable of selling me on him right now?

I don't think I've ever sold you on anyone ever so probably not.

[Sloonei]

I've largely vibed with both sloonei and tutuu who are strong town leader types and somehow the rest of the thread is against me, it's weird

Towncore gotta take charge

We'll make our own towncore. @tutuu get in here.

Or you fuckers can just listen to me for once.

You are trying to tell me I am bad, Doctor.

Vote for yourself. Bet you wont.

it wouldn't be permitted.

[nutella]

jpic your response had very little to do with most of my point. I saw that you townread radish yes, but you also tagged onto suspicions of me earlier and unrelated to that. Idk what the syn thing has to do with anything.

You brought up my iso and said it was largely passive. I felt this was disingenuous considering the rest of the reads I was throwing out before your schlong battle with Radish

k

[MacDougall]

Falcon
JPIC
LC
Made
Nanook
Tutuu

This where I'd launch missiles tbh

why falcon?

One of the Alison voters is probably mafia.

[DrWilgy]

Does anyone fancy a salad for lunch? I'd be happy to vote any of hyena, nook, radish, or maybe made.

I dig this

[Syn]

I've largely vibed with both sloonei and tutuu who are strong town leader types and somehow the rest of the thread is against me, it's weird

Towncore gotta take charge

*klaxons begin to blare*

[MacDougall]

Every time I see Made post I just been like look at dat wolf. There is very little by way of solving. He hasn't had any spicy pushes that I saw. He keeps doing wolfy popins where he just comments half the time on NAI concerns then skeets off back to wolf chat.

[Justplayingitcool]

jpic your response had very little to do with most of my point. I saw that you townread radish yes, but you also tagged onto suspicions of me earlier and unrelated to that. Idk what the syn thing has to do with anything.

You brought up my iso and said it was largely passive. I felt this was disingenuous considering the rest of the reads I was throwing out before your schlong battle with Radish

k

I'm town. So if you are town yourself I want you to carry on talking with me. typing 'k' helps neither of us

[Sloonei]

the only push I've made is nutella lol

Syn, out of 10, how confident are you on this read

Talk to me about Syn, jpic.

[DrWilgy]

I've largely vibed with both sloonei and tutuu who are strong town leader types and somehow the rest of the thread is against me, it's weird

Towncore gotta take charge

We'll make our own towncore. @tutuu get in here.

Or you fuckers can just listen to me for once.

You are trying to tell me I am bad, Doctor.

Vote for yourself. Bet you wont.

it wouldn't be permitted.

Alrighty, out of the early woogy voters previous, do you have any inclination to think any of these are scum: MacDougall, Long Con, nutella

I guess I can already take Hazelnut off that list, but how do you feel about LC and Dad?

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

Every time I see Made post I just been like look at dat wolf. There is very little by way of solving. He hasn't had any spicy pushes that I saw. He keeps doing wolfy popins where he just comments half the time on NAI concerns then skeets off back to wolf chat.

I feel this in spite of how Made made me Made when the Made made Made when Made was Made into a Maid by Tutuu who was actually Michelle.

[Syn]

the only push I've made is nutella lol

Syn, out of 10, how confident are you on this read

Talk to me about Syn, jpic.

Syn is a cool guy, I love bonking him

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

kk

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

[Justplayingitcool]

the only push I've made is nutella lol

Syn, out of 10, how confident are you on this read

Talk to me about Syn, jpic.

Sure

I was slightly suspicious of him day 0 because it felt like he was going for an early pocket. It made me side-eye him but nothing further progressed on it because it was baseless at the time. I have since reverted my read to town because I liked his pushback response to 112.

I would like Syn to make more pushes, or reads, other than nutella though

[Timsup2nothin]

I said it once?

Say it twice. I command you.

And I was calling her town in the post you quoted.

It doesn't look like it.

This is not a productive discussion. You have called me scum off an on for most of the game and have almost always linked nutella in. I assumed that is because we have been firmly town reading each other. If there is more to it, I am unclear on why. I am trying to find that out.

For me it seems like your town read on Nutella is more structured around pocketing her than actual read. It's like when the sus on her gets strong you throw her a lifeline by just completely shifting the conversation, but at other times when there is a little exchange between her and someone else you are kinda keeping it going by encouraging her bad takes (bad takes in this case meaning takes she is expressing poorly or that otherwise are making her look bad). I think you are getting her in too much trouble to be partners, but you really could be a pockety wolf here.

For my part, I'm not Mac and I'm not "calling you scum"...but in my observations you certainly could be.

[DrWilgy]

Tim, if Sloonei is scum you are in charge of getting them yeeted. I already did that once last year so I'm at my quota. Good luck.

[Sloonei]

Every time I see Made post I just been like look at dat wolf. There is very little by way of solving. He hasn't had any spicy pushes that I saw. He keeps doing wolfy popins where he just comments half the time on NAI concerns then skeets off back to wolf chat.

My strongest memory of Made in this game is that he was sort of the ringleader of the multiball discussion early on. He implied that he got some juicy reactions to things during that episode, but I'm not sure I ever saw evidence that anything materialized out of that.

@Made talk about what you were thinking at the time of this post and what has come from it since:

That was a fun little page of reactions. Maybe that’s the trick. Force all 3 mafia teams to pretend they don’t know things

please and thanks

[MacDougall]

What if its Nutella who has in fact pocketed Sloonei?

[DrWilgy]

...I don't think that's how that works.

[nutella]

jpic your response had very little to do with most of my point. I saw that you townread radish yes, but you also tagged onto suspicions of me earlier and unrelated to that. Idk what the syn thing has to do with anything.

You brought up my iso and said it was largely passive. I felt this was disingenuous considering the rest of the reads I was throwing out before your schlong battle with Radish

k

I'm town. So if you are town yourself I want you to carry on talking with me. typing 'k' helps neither of us

k



idk man. my first experience of you was spectating your champs game and I found you as town quite easily. we wolfed together in radiohead and were both caught early, and i wanna say here you feel more like you did in that game. i don't have the time to really look back and compare though. but continue doing your thing and we'll see

[Justplayingitcool]

jpic your response had very little to do with most of my point. I saw that you townread radish yes, but you also tagged onto suspicions of me earlier and unrelated to that. Idk what the syn thing has to do with anything.

You brought up my iso and said it was largely passive. I felt this was disingenuous considering the rest of the reads I was throwing out before your schlong battle with Radish

k

I'm town. So if you are town yourself I want you to carry on talking with me. typing 'k' helps neither of us

k



idk man. my first experience of you was spectating your champs game and I found you as town quite easily. we wolfed together in radiohead and were both caught early, and i wanna say here you feel more like you did in that game. i don't have the time to really look back and compare though. but continue doing your thing and we'll see

k

[DrWilgy]

HMMMM...

If this is a town Hazelnut, I would often find myself trusting this JPIC read and would probably push for it as Hazelnut has a good feeler tentacle.

[Justplayingitcool]

in4 me and nutella are in k-cult

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim, if Sloonei is scum you are in charge of getting them yeeted. I already did that once last year so I'm at my quota. Good luck.

Yeah thanx.

[nutella]

I said it once?

Say it twice. I command you.

And I was calling her town in the post you quoted.

It doesn't look like it.

This is not a productive discussion. You have called me scum off an on for most of the game and have almost always linked nutella in. I assumed that is because we have been firmly town reading each other. If there is more to it, I am unclear on why. I am trying to find that out.

For me it seems like your town read on Nutella is more structured around pocketing her than actual read. It's like when the sus on her gets strong you throw her a lifeline by just completely shifting the conversation, but at other times when there is a little exchange between her and someone else you are kinda keeping it going by encouraging her bad takes (bad takes in this case meaning takes she is expressing poorly or that otherwise are making her look bad). I think you are getting her in too much trouble to be partners, but you really could be a pockety wolf here.

For my part, I'm not Mac and I'm not "calling you scum"...but in my observations you certainly could be.

man you're gonna make me paranoid

[DrWilgy]

You aren't already?

[Sloonei]

Alrighty, out of the early woogy voters previous, do you have any inclination to think any of these are scum: MacDougall, Long Con, nutella

I guess I can already take Hazelnut off that list, but how do you feel about LC and Dad?

I almost forgot LC was even here. I don't know what that means for him. I have seen him play with a tremendous rage of strategies as scum before. That includes being intentionally lowkey for long stretches of the early game when his teammates (me and spf in Grasslands, specifically) were more vocal. But I've also seen him win scum games by being highly engaged and manipulating things to his liking. He's barely been here so far. If he's bad, that could be an indication that he has teammates who are highly active. I have no direct reason to say that he is bad, though. I've not looked at him at all.

I feel okay about Mac, I think. His insistence that I'm bad is Standard Mac and not indicative of any alignment, but he's not pushing it in a way that feels overly aggressive or antagonistic, so I do not get the sense that he's doing it to knock me off my rhythm or keep me from gaining a strong foothold in the thread or anything like that. I also am giving him the benefit of the doubt because he seems to be under the weather.

[nutella]

What if its Nutella who has in fact pocketed Sloonei?

unfortunately my golden age of winning sockys is behind me

[Thunal33]

I said it once?

Say it twice. I command you.

And I was calling her town in the post you quoted.

It doesn't look like it.

This is not a productive discussion. You have called me scum off an on for most of the game and have almost always linked nutella in. I assumed that is because we have been firmly town reading each other. If there is more to it, I am unclear on why. I am trying to find that out.

Look hombres. I just don't vibe your pushes. I thought Hyena got really town last time I was reading his shit and saw a 5 player Hyena wagon led by you so I just automatically assumed you probs bad man.

But that's also probs just wrong. The scum there is Made... and probably Thunal.

Why did you townread me earlier and why did that change?