Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip

I don't remember who started it, but nutella gave some ISOs of Cat in previous games and said that Cat was more like their scum game, and I read the ISOs and agreed. I feel like now they're different from both metas and their reaction to being wagoned looks towny.

okay thank you

but I would caution against perhaps re-reading them for being different after their past games were mentioned.

In that case they may be trying to shake things up regardless of alignment.

fwiw mac more started the wagon first with a case on cat just based on this game, i did the meta dive after that and it just strengthened it imo

[Marmot]

how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip

Here is Mac's case, or at least the first post (of three)

Reading/lightly skimming the first two

I think that's a satisfactory case and I don't see much or any of a counter argument to it unless we start conjecturing some things of what Cat must've been thinking but never said in a towny light.

I'm not sold on Made though; I've seen (and quite frankly experienced) towns being portrayed as partners to someone as the sole explicit reason of being scum and then getting mischopped for it.

Actually, where is Made?

i was just wondering this

He's made (hehehe) 3 posts since Mac made (teehee) his case.

@Made where you at?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Moe’s has been acquired

Sup

[Timsup2nothin]

I think my reasons are stronger, but I endorse yours as well.

@tutuu @MartinGG99 @Thunal33

Would you mind summarizing why you are on Falcon?

There isn't a "summary" because its really simple.

They mentioned their vote like...in a bad way. I was pinged similarly (and correctly) in Shadow Corridors by a sock-puppet responding to someone pressuring them on D0 that "they'll have their vote tomorrow" or something.

Like, I don't know what you think, but towns rarely think publicly of their vote except for like consolidating it / finding an EoD solution.

Additionally, mentioning one's own's vote really doesn't help to solve anyone, and its just weird.

So it just ends up looking like a bad knee-jerk reaction (considering time stamps) to me that was influenced by self-consciousness.

You ISO'd three people in a 3300+ post game in like 10 minutes?

Martin has like 10 posts, and JPIC doesn't have much either, and each of his posts is like 1-2 sentences max. Give it a go, see how long it takes you for those 3

Why on earth do you want to yet a claimed indie

Did I vote for you? Do I not have you at a 40% chance of being town?


Holy moley, sorry I didn't see you as a lock town 100% never gonna give you up die by yer side Bonnie Tyler holding out for a hero kinda read, but hey them's the breaks kid.

You avoided the question. Why are you voting out a claimed indie

I'm not voting for you.

Okay thanx.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Sloonei just want to say I've read your big ol' Hyena post. I see your view on it. His approach to defending himself seems more about deflecting your accusations rather than answering them. The role claim came pretty early in the phase.

I can't say I've had anything but pure null feelings on Hyena, but I think you have a case worth considering.

Why am I mindmelding with you now
We cannot escape coronavirus (mafia)

that's me

[TonyStarkPrime]

I am coronavirus

[nutella]

how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip

Here is Mac's case, or at least the first post (of three)

Reading/lightly skimming the first two

I think that's a satisfactory case and I don't see much or any of a counter argument to it unless we start conjecturing some things of what Cat must've been thinking but never said in a towny light.

I'm not sold on Made though; I've seen (and quite frankly experienced) towns being portrayed as partners to someone as the sole explicit reason of being scum and then getting mischopped for it.

[MartinGG99]

Cat (10)
Voters: nutella, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu, Made, tedxtr, falcon45ca, MacDougall, Timsup2nothin, Dyslexicon, Marmot

falcon45ca (6)
Voters: Thunal33, cat, MartinGG99, Long Con, Justplayingitcool, Master Radishes

Hyena (2)
Voters: Sloonei, Kylemii

Marmot (1)
Voters: 112

nutella (2)
Voters: Syn, Jackofhearts2005

Thunal33 (4)
Voters: DrWilgy, dyachei, TonyStarkPrime, Michelle

TurnipHead (1)
Voters: Hyena

I kinda like the look of this vote count. I'm okay with either Cat, Falcon, or Hyena being deleted here.

Idk about Turnip since I've never seen him and idk why Hyena is voting there

[Hyena]

@Hyena you've stirred the pot enough. We've only got a few hours left. Time to start putting the pieces together. What are the major reads you have, and why? Who might be getting your vote today?

I got you, fam. I'm finishing up my current session of Animal Crossing right now, and I'll see what I can put together. @Sloonei

[nutella]

how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip

Here is Mac's case, or at least the first post (of three)

Reading/lightly skimming the first two

I think that's a satisfactory case and I don't see much or any of a counter argument to it unless we start conjecturing some things of what Cat must've been thinking but never said in a towny light.

I'm not sold on Made though; I've seen (and quite frankly experienced) towns being portrayed as partners to someone as the sole explicit reason of being scum and then getting mischopped for it.

Actually, where is Made?

i was just wondering this

r u r a l o h i o

[MartinGG99]

Idk about marmot either, I haven't really made a judgment on him either.

[Timsup2nothin]

TurnipHead is now Ted

There are a number of vanity wagon votes that I am not impressed with here.

[Marmot]

Probably gonna hit 100 pages before the end of day 1. Damn

Are we going to get to page 100 before n1?

sweet.

Sorry Wilgy, Made called it well before you did.

[Kylemii]

hello everyone.

in case the night is closed, i want to let everyone know, i will have to be quiet during day 2, in order to charge up my mega ultra secret ultimate special secret technique. i will be able to vote and tag my votes and everything and will communicate my thoughts through that.

if anyone has any questions please ask now, or 3 days from now, or possibly just like whenever you want, if nights are just open i guess.

[Hyena]

@Hyena you've stirred the pot enough. We've only got a few hours left. Time to start putting the pieces together. What are the major reads you have, and why? Who might be getting your vote today?

I got you, fam. I'm finishing up my current session of Animal Crossing right now, and I'll see what I can put together. @Sloonei

Also @Sloonei, I was thinking about hooking up @Alison with whoever we yeet today on D2. Then, if I'm still alive on D3, hooking that same dead person with someone else alive so that we can see if Alison will cooperate with us. What do you think about that?

[Thunal33]

Readslist in pretty colors:

Towncore:
Tutuu - her stuff about not wanting to be NKed and being concerned she's playing too towny I like, and she's seemed really towny this game
Michelle - I think her posting VCs shows she cares the game is solved and afaik she's out of her wolf range
Nutella - Her amount of content and conviction in her pushes is out of her wolf range
Martin - He's felt really genuine this game and I like how much work he put into his read on me

Townleans:
Tim - takes seem genuine, looks like he cares about his solving
Marmot - seems more like his town games and it feels like he's solving by sort of poking around
Sloonei - has a depth of thinking that I didn't see from scum!Sloonei
JPIC - might be biased, but I liked his treatment of me
Cat - I felt like his reaction to being wagoned with not caring about defending himself but instead trying to get a sense of the gamestate was towny
Syn - he's in the background but afaik he always is, I feel like him continuing to pursue Nutella is towny even though I disagree

Not sure:
Macdougall
Made
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Jack
Long Con
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon

Suspects:
Dya - I'm probably biased for this one but I feel like they're disregarding my reasons about my tone being off and I'd expect them to be correct on me or at least not pushing me this much as town
Master Radishes - I somewhat trust Nutella and Dizzy's reads and I disliked his earlier push on Nutella
112 - I dislike how she's been jumping around with reads and not really wanting to get into them, and I also disliked that she didn't go back and try to read me again after she mistook some posts that weren't mine for mine
Hyena - I disliked how he put off suspicion on him as a reaction test and I think it's pretty likely his claim is a mafia role with fakeclaim flavor considering that it doesn't fit his flavor and it was a scum role in a previous game
Falcon - seems to be going through the motions this game, I get the sense he doesn't care about his pushes or about who gets yeeted

3p:
Alison

[nutella]

@MartinGG99 turnip was replaced by tedxtr

i think ted's been decently villagery so far

[Hyena]

@Hyena you've stirred the pot enough. We've only got a few hours left. Time to start putting the pieces together. What are the major reads you have, and why? Who might be getting your vote today?

I got you, fam. I'm finishing up my current session of Animal Crossing right now, and I'll see what I can put together. @Sloonei

Also @Sloonei, I was thinking about hooking up @Alison with whoever we yeet today on D2. Then, if I'm still alive on D3, hooking that same dead person with someone else alive so that we can see if Alison will cooperate with us. What do you think about that?

@Sloonei

[Marmot]

Idk about marmot either, I haven't really made a judgment on him either.

When did 112 turn me into a wagon?

[nutella]

hello everyone.

in case the night is closed, i want to let everyone know, i will have to be quiet during day 2, in order to charge up my mega ultra secret ultimate special secret technique. i will be able to vote and tag my votes and everything and will communicate my thoughts through that.

if anyone has any questions please ask now, or 3 days from now, or possibly just like whenever you want, if nights are just open i guess.

noted

[Hyena]

Also, @Jackofhearts2005 is straight up scum. He seemed to be looking for me in the thread earlier in the game, but I'm not THAT hard to find. D:<

[Thunal33]

@Hyena you've stirred the pot enough. We've only got a few hours left. Time to start putting the pieces together. What are the major reads you have, and why? Who might be getting your vote today?

I got you, fam. I'm finishing up my current session of Animal Crossing right now, and I'll see what I can put together. @Sloonei

Also @Sloonei, I was thinking about hooking up @Alison with whoever we yeet today on D2. Then, if I'm still alive on D3, hooking that same dead person with someone else alive so that we can see if Alison will cooperate with us. What do you think about that?

Alison might not give us any info since she doesn't want to townside. Maybe we should hook up a mostly townread person that isn't likely to eat an NK.

[nutella]

Also, @Jackofhearts2005 is straight up scum. He seemed to be looking for me in the thread earlier in the game, but I'm not THAT hard to find. D:<

what why does this make him scum

[Timsup2nothin]

@Hyena you've stirred the pot enough. We've only got a few hours left. Time to start putting the pieces together. What are the major reads you have, and why? Who might be getting your vote today?

I got you, fam. I'm finishing up my current session of Animal Crossing right now, and I'll see what I can put together. @Sloonei

Also @Sloonei, I was thinking about hooking up @Alison with whoever we yeet today on D2. Then, if I'm still alive on D3, hooking that same dead person with someone else alive so that we can see if Alison will cooperate with us. What do you think about that?

Alison might not give us any info since she doesn't want to townside. Maybe we should hook up a mostly townread person that isn't likely to eat an NK.

@Hyena...endorsed

[Timsup2nothin]

@Hyena you've stirred the pot enough. We've only got a few hours left. Time to start putting the pieces together. What are the major reads you have, and why? Who might be getting your vote today?

I got you, fam. I'm finishing up my current session of Animal Crossing right now, and I'll see what I can put together. @Sloonei

Also @Sloonei, I was thinking about hooking up @Alison with whoever we yeet today on D2. Then, if I'm still alive on D3, hooking that same dead person with someone else alive so that we can see if Alison will cooperate with us. What do you think about that?

Alison might not give us any info since she doesn't want to townside. Maybe we should hook up a mostly townread person that isn't likely to eat an NK.

@Hyena...endorsed

@Hyena

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, @Jackofhearts2005 is straight up scum. He seemed to be looking for me in the thread earlier in the game, but I'm not THAT hard to find. D:<

[Kylemii]

FAQS:

Q: is the special secret mega ultra technique a beam attack?
A: No.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

[Thunal33]

What about Sloonei for Hyena's dead chat? I feel like he'll be useful in there.

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

With the right context that was actually pretty funny.

[Thunal33]

Readslist in pretty colors:

Towncore:
Tutuu - her stuff about not wanting to be NKed and being concerned she's playing too towny I like, and she's seemed really towny this game
Michelle - I think her posting VCs shows she cares the game is solved and afaik she's out of her wolf range
Nutella - Her amount of content and conviction in her pushes is out of her wolf range
Martin - He's felt really genuine this game and I like how much work he put into his read on me

Townleans:
Tim - takes seem genuine, looks like he cares about his solving
Marmot - seems more like his town games and it feels like he's solving by sort of poking around
Sloonei - has a depth of thinking that I didn't see from scum!Sloonei
JPIC - might be biased, but I liked his treatment of me
Cat - I felt like his reaction to being wagoned with not caring about defending himself but instead trying to get a sense of the gamestate was towny
Syn - he's in the background but afaik he always is, I feel like him continuing to pursue Nutella is towny even though I disagree

Not sure:
Macdougall
Made
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Jack
Long Con
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon

Suspects:
Dya - I'm probably biased for this one but I feel like they're disregarding my reasons about my tone being off and I'd expect them to be correct on me or at least not pushing me this much as town
Master Radishes - I somewhat trust Nutella and Dizzy's reads and I disliked his earlier push on Nutella
112 - I dislike how she's been jumping around with reads and not really wanting to get into them, and I also disliked that she didn't go back and try to read me again after she mistook some posts that weren't mine for mine
Hyena - I disliked how he put off suspicion on him as a reaction test and I think it's pretty likely his claim is a mafia role with fakeclaim flavor considering that it doesn't fit his flavor and it was a scum role in a previous game
Falcon - seems to be going through the motions this game, I get the sense he doesn't care about his pushes or about who gets yeeted

3p:
Alison

Nanook is in the townlean tier since he feels like town!Nook.

[Hyena]

@Sloonei
Tim: I liked my interactions with him while I was doing the stuff involving him and Falcon last night. Also, I find it towny that in spite of him trying not to play too much of D1, he was kinda involved more so than, like, half the people in the game it felt like.
Falcon: Could go either way. As scum, I felt like he could've easily put together some sort of case against Tim just by reading more of his ISO. Instead, he was like, "I'm 60% Tim is scum after reading his ISO in 10 minutes." Him reading Tim's ISO is probably a lie, but it's a lie that I think comes more from town than mafia.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, @Jackofhearts2005 is straight up scum. He seemed to be looking for me in the thread earlier in the game, but I'm not THAT hard to find. D:<

what why does this make him scum

Tbf, it’s harder for me to find stuff with my traditional “I am a wolf” rubber horse mask on.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

What's wrong with self prez votes? There's no otherwise, that's what it is

[Timsup2nothin]

What about Sloonei for Hyena's dead chat? I feel like he'll be useful in there.

I am not trying to kill Sloonei but I don't really trust him either...but that could be a positive depending on who gets dead.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

With the right context that was actually pretty funny.

[Hyena]

@Hyena you've stirred the pot enough. We've only got a few hours left. Time to start putting the pieces together. What are the major reads you have, and why? Who might be getting your vote today?

I got you, fam. I'm finishing up my current session of Animal Crossing right now, and I'll see what I can put together. @Sloonei

Also @Sloonei, I was thinking about hooking up @Alison with whoever we yeet today on D2. Then, if I'm still alive on D3, hooking that same dead person with someone else alive so that we can see if Alison will cooperate with us. What do you think about that?

Alison might not give us any info since she doesn't want to townside. Maybe we should hook up a mostly townread person that isn't likely to eat an NK.

@Hyena...endorsed

@Hyena

Okay, okay. I'll start figuring that out tonight then!

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.

No.



You aren't correct.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

What's wrong with self prez votes? There's no otherwise, that's what it is

I did say "otherwise".

You didn't have anything to say about your vote, you just dropped it and moved on. That's my qualm here.

[Thunal33]

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

I think this post is towny.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.

No.



You aren't correct.

My wagon was bigger than yours when Cat voted.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

What's wrong with self prez votes? There's no otherwise, that's what it is

I did say "otherwise".

You didn't have anything to say about your vote, you just dropped it and moved on. That's my qualm here.

Okie dokie. It was a self prez vote, so I didn't think it really needed explanation, BUT! I will take that into consideration in the future

[nutella]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.

No.



You aren't correct.

My wagon was bigger than yours when Cat voted.

i..... don't think this is true? i'm p sure the cat wagon has been ahead since last night

[nutella]

i could be wrong maybe there was a moment you were ahead but ???

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

What's wrong with self prez votes? There's no otherwise, that's what it is

I did say "otherwise".

You didn't have anything to say about your vote, you just dropped it and moved on. That's my qualm here.

Okie dokie. It was a self prez vote, so I didn't think it really needed explanation, BUT! I will take that into consideration in the future

What do you think of the wagons right now?

[Michelle]

Joseph clearly started the Cat wagon. He gave a detailed, titled case in two or three defined parts, and quoted them multiple times. I'm shocked that you could ask that question, but I just skipped the last 8 pages, so maybe you did as well.

D0 and an extended D1.

This is torture.

Reporting the first mimdmeld with Mr. R

Mindmeld on lamenting a super-long Day? That's some WTF stuff right there. It's like I say "Man I love tacos" and Michelle is like "total mindmeld there, allow me to make it alignment-indicative".

@Alison Michelle is a villager.

I challenge anyone to disagree with me.

Thus is it declared.

Challenge accepted!

I intended that as a joke.

I fell asleep and woke up now :/

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.

I disagree actually. I was reading your wagon as stale and past its peak. I thought the Falcon wagon was Cat's best chance at the time, and it still is. I am also very uncomfortable with such a stable EoD on a day one, but I think this feels like a done deal...with a better than even chance of being a hit.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.

No.



You aren't correct.

My wagon was bigger than yours when Cat voted.

i..... don't think this is true? i'm p sure the cat wagon has been ahead since last night

I meant I was ahead of Falcon.

[nutella]

oh nvm you just mean bigger than falcon's

i think he means it wasnt self pres bc cat was in the lead anyway