Occultism Mafia - THE END

[nijuukyugou]

I forgot about the contest until this morning! I will be traveling to Nashville today for a conference and braving the airports, but I will do my best to have a submission in time

[S~V~S]

Will we have a contest that does not involve drawing/Paint/visuals? I am so awful at those, i don;t even try. Especially after some of the awesome submissions we have had.

Linki~ oooooo thats cool

I have two more contests currently scheduled and neither of them involves drawing.

[a2thezebra]

Heh heh, kind of forgot I was in a Mafia game. I'm just gonna read up on what I missed.

[a2thezebra]

Or I've been replaced. Also a good idea. Happy mafiaing all!

[thellama73]

Sorry guys, I fell asleep. Working on the night post now.

[thellama73]

Thank you all for your wonderful magic circles! I'm giving the prize to Metalmarsh for creativity, symmetry, and beauty.

HERMETIC QABALAH

Qabalah (or Kabbalah) is an aspect of ancient Judaism dealing with the structure of the universe. It s an incredibly complex and subtle discipline, but the key doctrine involves the Tre of Life, a symbolic diagram describing the organization of existence. Essentially, the theory is that limitless non-being (filled with potential for everything) spilled over into a series of sephiroth (containers) that one by one overflowed and refined towards the physical world. The sephiroth are Keter (pure light, sometimes thought of as God), Chockmah (boundless energy, force), Binah (form, the nature of two dimensional space), Chesed (mercy, imagination, three dimensional space), Geburah (strength, will), Tiphareth (consciousness), Netzach (growth, nature), Hod (reason, abstract thought), Yesod (the etheric world, magical operations), and Malkuth (the physical world.)

This is an oversimplification and all the sephiroth have many different aspects and can be interpreted in many different ways. There are also paths that link the sephiroth together each with its own unique character. Meditating on the tree can yield profound insights into the nature of the universe. Beneath Malkuth are ten more sephiroth known as qlippoth (shells) that represent the continued degradation of matter. These are sometimes referred to as demons, generally considered to be evil or at least dangerous, and mostly avoided by all but the practicioners of black magic. The qlippoth are thought to be remnants from a previous attempt to create the universe which failed due to instability.

The sephiroth also correspond to parts of the human body. As above, so below.

The Hermetic Qabalah is a very useful organizational tool to help magicians craft spells, astrally travel, meditate and learn new truths. It remains the most popular magical system for the serious student.

For additional reading see: The Holy Kabbalah by A.E. Waite
Mystical Qabalah by Dion Fortune
The Garden of Pomegranates by Israel Regardie
and The Qabalah Unveiled by S.L. MacGregor Mathers.

END LECTURE

The students were pleased with their magic circles, as well they should be. They seem to have done just the trick. They still had to lynch someone, though.

No one has died. You have 24 hours to lynch a baddie.

[Dom]

yay :3

[Marmot]

Linki~ oooooo thats cool

Thanks! It did the trick.

[Dom]

Quiet :hmm:

[insertnamehere]

Sorry if I have been a bit inactive, I lost power a day or two ago.

[Marmot]

Quiet :hmm:

That seems to happen after a baddie is lynched. I'm guilty as well.

[Mongoose]

Chk-Chk-Chk

Haa-haa-haa


(Michael Myers is the baddie, perhaps)

[Boogs]

Yay no death again!!
2 nights in a row with no kills strikes me as odd though.

Does anyone else agree the mafia may be someone not as active and missing PMs for kills?

Insertnamehere, glad you're back. I hated not having my iPad for a week so I understand how you must have felt

[Mongoose]

Yay no death again!!
2 nights in a row with no kills strikes me as odd though.

Does anyone else agree the mafia may be someone not as active and missing PMs for kills?

Insertnamehere, glad you're back. I hated not having my iPad for a week so I understand how you must have felt

Indeed. But coulda been cursed one night and then blocked another?

[Marmot]

Maybe their team power has the possibility of backfiring?

[nijuukyugou]

Yay no death again!!
2 nights in a row with no kills strikes me as odd though.

Does anyone else agree the mafia may be someone not as active and missing PMs for kills?

Insertnamehere, glad you're back. I hated not having my iPad for a week so I understand how you must have felt

Indeed. But coulda been cursed one night and then blocked another?

I was thinking along the same lines as Boogs, but I didn't think about the blocking/cursing possibility. I'm leaning towards inactive because for some reason that seems more likely to me, unless someone else has insight or has more logical knowledge than me What are others thinking? It IS rather quiet in here...

[nijuukyugou]

Maybe their team power has the possibility of backfiring?

What do you mean? (my brain is tired)

[nutella]

Yay no death! Interesting... could be inactive players, or blocks, or some occult power preventing the kills from going through. Llama -- would blocks/protects/stuff like that be written into the post at all?

[Dom]

Yay no death again!!
2 nights in a row with no kills strikes me as odd though.

Does anyone else agree the mafia may be someone not as active and missing PMs for kills?

Insertnamehere, glad you're back. I hated not having my iPad for a week so I understand how you must have felt

I'm leaning inactive, tbh.
Which means I could have been wrong about you...

Maybe their team power has the possibility of backfiring?

I would doubt it considering there's only two baddies on the team together.
If their kill had a built-in chance of failing, they would never win.

[S~V~S]

Yeah, we have a civ block, a protect, a hexer & a potion brewer...and we have inactive players. That's a good question, LA, and I have another if it turns out that those things would be shown in the post~

Llama~ Do you randomize roles? I got that impression somewhere.

Linki~ tbh, I don't see both kills being lost to no PM, OR to blocks, etc. I was thinking a combo of both, maybe. One missed PM and one block, perhaps? I don't think anyone has been THAT inactive, except lizzy. And her replacement came in during the night and has been active. I think all of us posted last night, the 48 long night, right?

[S~V~S]

Epignosis 10
Metalmarsh89 10
MovingPictures07 10
A Person 7
Hedgeowl 6
Keterman 4
Lizzy 4
birdwithteeth 1

These are people with 10 or fewer posts. Epi & AP are dead. Lizzy & Keterman are now BWT & MM, and both posted during the night; MM especially has been rather active. Plus I find it unlikely that either of them would come in and NOT send a PM with no kill the night before. That is supposition though.

Of that group, I most suspect Hedgeowl. I least suspect MM. Mongoose said she felt fairly sure that MP was bad, but I do not recall why?

This depends alot on what Llama says, though. If he does NOT write fail kills into the post, the whole thing is theoretical. Especially since I think everyone checked in during the night last night.

[Tangrowth]

Hey everyone! So sorry to the host and my fellow players, I have been busy looking for my apartment in San Antonio. I was supposed to get in around midnight last night but we had a flight delayed due to maintenance issues and I am currently in Dallas. I should be arriving home sometime this afternoon so I will have time to catch up and post and explain myself much better than I did during D2.

[Elohcin]

I have been traveling so I haven't posted much in the past two days, sorry. But, I am here in sunny/stormy FL now. Woo Hoo! I can't wait to go swimming .

Anyway....I agree that the no kills are probaby a combination of possibilities already mentioned.

@SVS - are you suspicious of Lizzy this game?

[insertnamehere]

Hey everyone! So sorry to the host and my fellow players, I have been busy looking for my apartment in San Antonio. I was supposed to get in around midnight last night but we had a flight delayed due to maintenance issues and I am currently in Dallas. I should be arriving home sometime this afternoon so I will have time to catch up and post and explain myself much better than I did during D2.

I have been traveling so I haven't posted much in the past two days, sorry. But, I am here in sunny/stormy FL now. Woo Hoo! I can't wait to go swimming .

[thellama73]

Llama -- would blocks/protects/stuff like that be written into the post at all?

In the event that a kill fails, my policy is to write "no one has died" without explaining the reason.

Llama~ Do you randomize roles? I got that impression somewhere.

I always randomize roles so that no one can can try to figure out roles by guessing my thought process.

[birdwithteeth11]

I'm still looking at nutella, but I'm not sure if I feel confident enough to place a vote there, or anywhere else, yet. And I'm still just getting into the game. Who else is everyone looking at?

[Marmot]

Maybe their team power has the possibility of backfiring?

What do you mean? (my brain is tired)

I was referring to this.

Mafia:
Team Power: Each night, they can attempt to evoke a demon to do their bidding.

I'm not really certain what this means. I'm sure that the last baddie can still kill in addition to this action though. However, I think it likely we have an inactive baddie team. AP does have a tendency to miss night actions (though he rarely misses votes). We know that he was one baddie, and I'd bet his teammate is of a similar mold in this game.

[nutella]

So in light of llama's response, it could as easily have been a failed kill due to a block, protect or curse of some sort. I'm still very eager to hear more from the low posters (MP, Eloh, Hedgie come to mind)

[insertnamehere]

I'm voting for MP.

Exhibit A: He was the second person to vote for Epig, a civvie.

Exhibit B: He voted for Boogs, and not for AP.

Exhibit C: His absence from the website matches up to Night 2. He wouldn't have a chance to send in an NK.

I would be able to look past one of these things on it's own. But, the combination of all three have convinced me to vote for him.

[Marmot]

I'm voting for MP.

Exhibit A: He was the second person to vote for Epig, a civvie.

I'm indifferent on this.

Exhibit B: He voted for Boogs, and not for AP.

He was the first one to vote on Day 2. Votes by other players would not have affected him at all.

Exhibit C: His absence from the website matches up to Night 2. He wouldn't have a chance to send in an NK.

This I can agree with, but he was not absent on Night 1.

I would be able to look past one of these things on it's own. But, the combination of all three have convinced me to vote for him.

[Boogs]

My thoughts on the recent posts:
I agree that it makes sense if Night 2 someone had been blocked. However, it doesnt rule out that the mafia isn't someone still being quiet.
I personally agree missing the kill (A Person) Night 1 then other mafia (mystery person) was blocked Night 2. With that being said, for me i have to consider Keterman again barely talking and being replaced with BWT could have been blocked or MP being absent and missing the kill, also not knowing his teammate died because he hasnt been around and assumed A Person would be around to kill for them, makes them my two likely suspects today.

[Hedgeowl]

Apologies for the lack of participation. We had guests visiting this weekend and are getting ready to go to the beach soon as well.

I am going to try and respond to some of peoples thought while I have a free minute.

Linki with two no kill nights I tend to think replacements would be the place to look.

[S~V~S]

He could have been blocked Night 1. The more I think about it the more possible it seems.

Gonna reread MP voter from the other day

[S~V~S]

He=MP

Linki phone post

[Hedgeowl]

Great lynch result! I honestly had no suspicion of AP, so I wouldnt have been any help. I voted SVS, because after Epi came up civ, her jumping back and forth between suspects on Day 1 seemed more suspicious to me. She actually seems to be using the Dom tactic of asking others how they feel about so and so. The more I read of today, the more I wondered why she keeps bringing me up over and over.

Also, as regards Dom's instincts they were spot on in Bioshock, my first game with him. He does have a singular focus for sure, but I see the more focused he is, the more I think he is civ, so I am reading him as civ this game.

"Jumping back & Forth"? Have you played with me before? I "stream of consciousness" my opinions all the time. Discussing a lot of people gets them all talking back, and it makes it easier to make connections later in the game. Alsl anything that gets the baddies talking means they have more chances to slip and screw up. Forcing people to talk and explain their opinions helps me (and others, I hope) form opinions of their own. I asked several people on Day one lots of pointed questions, not just you.

It is not a "Dom tactic" it's how I play.I keep bringing you up because you raised a lot of discussion, and were a big topic of discussion day one, and you barely responded to it. I was not going to suspect you for the high poster thing (the people you listed as your successful high poster baddies are people who, like me, high post regardless of affiliation, so i call it a coincidence), but you did get my eye for not responding to any of the discussion about you.

Then you say you suspect me because I was talking about you. Why don't you want people talking about you?

The combo of these points read "blendy" to me.

Also, Yay one baddie down, Wow AP, you totally fooled me, I never thought someone bad would make that vote. And LA, yeah, that was my point. he does it like every game. It is just who he is, you implied that this behavior was suspicious. That was why i questioned it.

But I didn't imply that it was suspicious? I said I thought Dom/Boogs were civ-on-civ and I wanted to look elsewhere. I said I didn't trust Dom's radar and that I thought his "fixation" on Boogs was unproductive. Nowhere did I say I thought he was suspicious.

That is how I read the post, like you were coming down on Boogs side in the conversation. But I went into yesterday AM with you at the top of my list, and you dropped back enough that I did not vote for you after I reread you a bit.

There are several parts of this statement that are inaccurate, which could be just your memory of Day 1. I did in fact respond to the question you asked me Day 1. "Alot of discussion" about me was other people telling you I was civ in the previous game in answer to your question before and after I responded. Then you claim I barely responded (I responded to your question, what more did you want?), then state I didn't respond to any of the discussion about me. So which is it? I am going to repost all the discussion about me and please point out something that I missed.

[Hedgeowl]

At this point, only one thing is sticking out to me, and that is Hedgie implying she would consider voting for Vomps based solely on the number of his posts. That does not sit well with me, tbh. If i had to vote this second, i might vote there, but i don't so I won't. Maybe she was just joking?

She said something similar at the start of last game (I think it was the one you modded), so it's at least consistent.

Did she? I followed the game in general, but don't recall specific posts, or keep track of affiliation. It just seems, like low poster talk, to be an easy way to not be accountable for your vote.

Did she vote based on that? And what was her affiliation?

Hedge was civ in that game, Sherry.

OK, thanks

Hedge was civ in that game, Sherry.

SVS - ask Dom how he remembers so clearly.

But yes, I tried the top poster theory in wwe and it was mildly successful, but in the Hobbit, MP was the top poster Day 1 and I went with it and we got him, followed by 2 more of his teammates, so it felt like a successful start. That said, I don't know who I will vote for now, but couldn't resist teasing Vomps.

I still might vote a top poster k.

4 And it came to pass that the Tilded One spake ignorance of the goings and comings of the Hedgeowl, even though, on the Third Day of WWE (cf., The Twenty-third of December in the Year of our Lord 2013), the Hedgeowl announced its intentions to search for evil among those who had oft spoken.

5 And in those days, the Tilded One had walked in the ways of evil (cf., The Fifteenth of December, in the Year of our Lord 2013, being a strong and mighty Big Show, working for the worshipers of Mammon.

I don't spend a lot of brain cells remembering everything everyone else does in a game if it does not impact me much. And that obviously did not. Unless I directly engage them, I don't carry baggage from game to game. Everyone evolves.

Was the person she killed via her high poster theory on my team?

And I believe badness/civvieness is to be determined by content, not post count. So I distrust anyone who bases votes on that alone. Pretty much always, and I can say this with firm conviction and without need of *not this game* linkis.

I have to agree re Vomps, I will read back before work, and see who posted actual content, and who did not. I will probably vote based on that.

Other than Hedgie, did anyone actually recommend a Vomps vote?

Here you are stating I recommended a Vomps vote, when previously you thought it was a joke. Which is partly was.

Have to vote now, don't really have any good ideas. Hedge's thing about voting for the top poster seems weird, not necessarily suspicious but it's all I can think of so I'm voting for her

This is the closest I could come to finding something I needed to address, but LA already voted, so there wasnt much to say either.

Why did Epi vote Lizzy? Tedious self imposed curse is tedious~ he has quoted and made some fairly clear remarks, not sure why he could not do so here.

I am hoping to get an understandable (non pseudo Biblicalish) explanation for this. I am not holding my breath My other possible vote is Nutella, but i always tend to read her as opportunistic & sinister (what I find a Hedgie vote to be after it has been pointed out that she has done this high poster biz previously as a civ, which doesn't not mean she is one now, but DOES mean that it is not necessarily a baddie way to make a non accountable vote on Hedgies part) BUT BUT I almost ALWAYS tend to misread LA as being bad whether she is or not, and would hate to do so on Day One.

So leaning towards an Epi vote, but not enough that I need to vote yet. His non explanation for his Lizzy vote, and his trying to make me look icky for a non game related reason (me not recalling something that happened in another game I played, but that had no effect on me) both kinda got my eye. All the other eye getters only got my eye once, he got 2 eyes.

When I DO vote it will be from work on phone, so it is likely to be a not much said vote~ vote now, explain later.

And now it appears you are defending me, saying a vote for me would be "opportunistic and sinister" aka a baddie excuse to vote me.

This is what I found Day 1 regarding me and its not much, so what did I miss?

[Mongoose]

I'm voting for MP.

Exhibit A: He was the second person to vote for Epig, a civvie.

Exhibit B: He voted for Boogs, and not for AP.

Exhibit C: His absence from the website matches up to Night 2. He wouldn't have a chance to send in an NK.

I would be able to look past one of these things on it's own. But, the combination of all three have convinced me to vote for him.

I can't imagine I won't vote for him as well. I woulda last vote if I hadn't been so inept about what day of the week it was. He's not been around as much, so it's hard to analyze behavior as much as I'd like, but I think he's been a bit strange this game.

[thellama73]

If all votes come in on time, I will end the Day at 6:00pm EDT to get us back on schedule after my unscheduled nap yesterday, provided that there are no objections.

[Vompatti]

Since INH got A Person right (which I never would have), I'm going to trust him and *vote MP*.

[Tangrowth]

Okay, so I'm back and caught up! Sorry again for my absence. However, it's been clearly stated multiple times elsewhere I was going to be gone for this window.

My thoughts were not entirely clear on D2 and that is my fault. I must make it clear that I am not currently suspicious of Boogs.

I am most suspicious of Mongoose because I really think we are seeing her baddie game here. Most players I actually feel pretty good or indifferent about. I don't have any read on the replaced in players quite yet.

Lynching me would be a huge mistake. What are the arguments against me exactly? Mongoose has been throwing around my name for days but hasn't quite articulated why I'm baddie other than I'm "acting strange". Care to provide examples? And to explain how that makes me bad exactly?

At least INH came up with logic, even though he previously "was not seeing the MP suspicion", so I will respond to those points:

I'm voting for MP.

Exhibit A: He was the second person to vote for Epig, a civvie.

I don't understand how this makes me a baddie candidate exactly, but I stand by my vote for Epig; there wasn't anything that caught my eye more on D1.

Exhibit B: He voted for Boogs, and not for AP.

I was the first vote; not only that, I had to vote right at the start of D2 and in a rush. I voted Boogs because I thought he seemed most suspicious at the time, but I no longer think that.

Exhibit C: His absence from the website matches up to Night 2. He wouldn't have a chance to send in an NK.

Fair point, but you can take my word on this one: as a baddie, I NEVER miss my PMs. Never. If I even had the opportunity (which I did at some point, even though I was really busy) to pop on and send in an NK, I would have done it. Since this observation is based on conjecture that I'm bad because I "missed" my PM, I really can't argue with it any more than with WIFOM right back at it.

I would be able to look past one of these things on it's own. But, the combination of all three have convinced me to vote for him.

I will elaborate more on why I think Mongoose deserves a vote most in a minute, and it's certainly not because of a NO U.

[Tangrowth]

Since INH got A Person right (which I never would have), I'm going to trust him and *vote MP*.

Also, this is incredibly flawed logic that led to the civvies losing The Hobbit.

Llama gunned after Mongoose so hard and he was wrong, so it made him re-think his suspicions of MetalMarsh and Dom, even though they were correct.

Epig had incredible insight with catching baddies early on in the game, but later on did not quite so much, but people followed him anyway because he had been so successful with those early on.

I see this kind of thinking all the time in mafia and all it does is get civvies in trouble. Just because you're wrong or right about A, it doesn't make you right or wrong about B.

[Tangrowth]

I've played with and hosted Mongoose multiple times and I feel pretty confident that we're seeing her baddie game -- because it looks really similar to her Meat Boy game IMO.

She has 23 posts, most of which don't have much game-related content, and this actually gets her in trouble as a civvie. But there is a distinction to be made between what on-topic content she does have as a civvie early on in games and a baddie. As a baddie, she is more agreeable, and her on-topic content typically more than half consists of her adding onto thoughts contributed by other players but without any substance, like the below:

I got the impression that this was a directional poll, not a rewarding poll. I could be wrong about that, but it was the impression I got. I am unlikely to vote for someone based on their vote in that poll.

At this point, only one thing is sticking out to me, and that is Hedgie implying she would consider voting for Vomps based solely on the number of his posts. That does not sit well with me, tbh. If i had to vote this second, i might vote there, but i don't so I won't. Maybe she was just joking?

She said something similar at the start of last game (I think it was the one you modded), so it's at least consistent.

I have to agree re Vomps, I will read back before work, and see who posted actual content, and who did not. I will probably vote based on that.

Other than Hedgie, did anyone actually recommend a Vomps vote?

I did a re-skim and I don't see anything of that nature.

It's like when I "buddy up" to other players more so when I'm bad.

She also is more opinionated when she's baddie, but fails to articulate reasons for her suspicions more when she's bad (at least when she's civvie she articulates reasons, even if they confuse most people):

I wonder, if divination had won out, could we have divined who the baddies are?

Grasping at straws. And just so I can beat Lizzy to the punch before she accuses me of trumped up nonsense ( ), I will admit this is not the most salient case. Hells bells, it's not even a case, but it's above random voting.

ANYWAY

Verbose mongoose is verbose

I feel like this could be Nutty trying to throw suspicion off of her own trail. Like trying to distance herself from baddies. Perhaps. Our host Jeffrey Llamer would never let it so easily be discerned.

This is a terrible case and I strongly suggest you vote elsewhere. It's Day 1 and it's all I got so far. This is the most ridiculous, overblown pseudo-case made from one statement on Day 1 ever, but I promised myself I'd not be a space cadet in this game.

Let's roll.

LA

This post just screams not genuine to me, upon re-read.

I'm not so sure I'm down with a Boogs vote though, sug.

Is it just me or has Socky lost the plot a bit?

LIzzy, get your face in here; we need your insight, cakepop.

This is where she starts dropping my name, asking if I've "lost the plot a bit", but she never explains what that means exactly or how it makes me bad. She's been subtly pushing the thread in my direction ever since this post, and it seems she's been successful if you base it on the votes thus far.

I'm not so sure I'm down with a Boogs vote though, sug.

Is it just me or has Socky lost the plot a bit?

LIzzy, get your face in here; we need your insight, cakepop.

1. Can you explain why you trust Boogs?

2. Do you have anyone you DIStrust, even a bit?

3.What are your thoughts on Hedgeowl?

I numbered them for easy reference, hope you don't mind.

1. I don't, I just don't mistrust him yet.

2. Sock. Definitely Sock.

3. She's being consistent with her motives (from past games I mean), so I can't tell yet either way.

This is her next post. She never says why she seems to trust Boogs; she actually says she doesn't, but before she said she "wasn't so keen" on a Boogs vote, which seems contradictory. But she also never explains why at all. She doesn't even say he seems sincere. She just says she doesn't mistrust him yet. This may seem nitpicky, but it's actually a key part of how Mongoose plays when she's bad.

She then says she distrusts me, definitely. Again, never explains why.

I agree wholeheartedly about Hedgie. I've never seen her as driveby voter.

I need to be very careful with my words, so that's why I didn't post more last night (also my boss was hanging around foreevvvver), but I'm home now and I have a bit more time before my work is throwing me a going away party tonight!

Let's see how cogent I can be about this - I am definitely examining Boog as much as anyone else (who is such a lovely human being/cat by the way), but I was hesitant to take Sock's word for it. I found his post drumming up support for a Boogs vote to be fun and funny, but weird: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 434#p72368

I'm examining why things went down the way they did last night, but I think it could very well be Sock. I would hate to push him out so early (he died so early in last game, but at least he really was bad), but it explains a lot if he is Aleister Crowley. And yeah, specifically Crowley, not just a bad hoss in general.

This just pings the freak out of me because she says "I need to be very careful with my words", and she emphasizes she is examining Boogs as much as anyone else, but hesitant to take my word for it. My word for what? My vote is fun and funny, but weird? And AGAIN, how does this make me bad? And how is it even weird? Sure, it's in horoscope language, but I HAD to vote right that second, and I stated in the Fight Club thread and elsewhere I would be out of town from the 10th-13th, so how is it weird exactly?

Answer: She's making shit up because she's bad.

It would explain so much if you could elaborate on why you think that as well.

I promise I'm not being intentionally obtuse, but I gotta hold back a bit. Generally, I analyzed how Night 1 went down (no deaths) and filled in the blanks from there. There are other explanations for it, of course, so I could be very well wrong. I'm not at all "Super Sure" but am in the category of "Definitely Suspect" though.

Even without my annoyingly cryptic explanations, I think his actually thread behavior is odd. That in of itself isn't maybe ammunition for suspicion, but it's definitely eye-catching.

She refuses to explain.

My thread behavior is ODD. Again, she can't even explain what makes it odd. But she says it's "definitely eye-catching" and somehow that makes me bad, even though she never comes out and says it.

Then, of course, this:

I'm voting for MP.

Exhibit A: He was the second person to vote for Epig, a civvie.

Exhibit B: He voted for Boogs, and not for AP.

Exhibit C: His absence from the website matches up to Night 2. He wouldn't have a chance to send in an NK.

I would be able to look past one of these things on it's own. But, the combination of all three have convinced me to vote for him.

I can't imagine I won't vote for him as well. I woulda last vote if I hadn't been so inept about what day of the week it was. He's not been around as much, so it's hard to analyze behavior as much as I'd like, but I think he's been a bit strange this game.

Now she makes it look like she is agreeing again with someone else.

Why can't you imagine you won't vote for me, Mongoose? How am I strange? You still FAIL to explain how that even is the case, let alone how it makes me bad.

Lest we all forget that if someone really wanted to, they could just as easily have purposefully missed their NK PM on N2 just to get me framed and lynched. I don't know why, but hey, why not? Get a civvie lynched, it would work. And who was the only person subtly pushing the thread in my direction before N2? Mongoose.

And let's not forget that there's other explanations for a missed NK: block, etc., although I will also admit that two failed NKs is definitely more than a bit strange.

Seriously, I will eat a hat if Mongoose is a civvie this game. I am THAT confident.

[Tangrowth]

Now I'll hold off on voting just in case someone can poke holes in this, but I'm really feeling strongly about a Mongoose vote at the moment. Let me know what you think, guys.

And BWT, to answer your question, I don't have any particular reason to think Nutella is bad or independent this game; I think you're just seeing her go-to playstyle, and she has struck me as genuine. I meant to include this in an earlier post, sorry.

[nijuukyugou]

Now I'll hold off on voting just in case someone can poke holes in this, but I'm really feeling strongly about a Mongoose vote at the moment. Let me know what you think, guys.

And BWT, to answer your question, I don't have any particular reason to think Nutella is bad or independent this game; I think you're just seeing her go-to playstyle, and she has struck me as genuine. I meant to include this in an earlier post, sorry.

I was gung-ho on voting for you until I read your recent posts. I'm still not entirely sure of you, but you make some interesting points about Mongoose that will have me looking at her, too. I believe my vote will be between the two of you. I have to attend a conference session in 13 minutes but I should be back beforehand to vote. It may be a drive-by phone vote, which is why I'm saying this now (I'm also an hour behind here so it's throwing my mafia schedule off ). I'm interested to see others' thoughts on the matter, but that's how it's gonna go for me today.

[Elohcin]

As I was reading through the thread and catching up I was thinking MP was the way to go for today. However, his post on Mongoose is quite convincing. I am going to hold off and see what others think as well. But I do not see any flaws in MP's argument on Mongoose. and I do see flaws in the argument against MP.

I will vote by 6pm as requested by the host.

linki Niju

[Hedgeowl]

I am going to to dinner without the babay!!!

Therefore I am voting now. MP made quite a compelling case on Mongoose. I don't think he'd miss a Pm eithe, but then neither would Mongoosey. So tht would mean she would have to be blocked two nights in a row and that don't seem right either. I am voting MM for replacing miss Lizzzy. I think the last baddie may be a replacement.

*votes Metal*

[Boogs]

MP, your thought on. Mongoose are insightful. However, I would like to know why you voted me and now changed your mind specifically since then? You never really explained besides you weren't after me now.

[Mongoose]

Seriously, I will eat a hat if Mongoose is a civvie this game. I am THAT confident.

Well, at least that will gear you up nicely for my Felt game.

You ain't right, though.

[insertnamehere]

Okay, so I'm back and caught up! Sorry again for my absence. However, it's been clearly stated multiple times elsewhere I was going to be gone for this window.

My thoughts were not entirely clear on D2 and that is my fault. I must make it clear that I am not currently suspicious of Boogs.

I am most suspicious of Mongoose because I really think we are seeing her baddie game here. Most players I actually feel pretty good or indifferent about. I don't have any read on the replaced in players quite yet.

Lynching me would be a huge mistake. What are the arguments against me exactly? See below. Mongoose has been throwing around my name for days but hasn't quite articulated why I'm baddie other than I'm "acting strange". Care to provide examples? See below. And to explain how that makes me bad exactly? See below.

At least INH came up with logic, even though he previously "was not seeing the MP suspicion", so I will respond to those points:

I'm voting for MP.

Exhibit A: He was the second person to vote for Epig, a civvie.

I don't understand how this makes me a baddie candidate exactly, The whole voting to lynch a civvie thing could possibly be interpreted as a suspicious move.but I stand by my vote for Epig; srsly? there wasn't anything that caught my eye more on D1.

Exhibit B: He voted for Boogs, and not for AP.

I was the first vote; not only that, I had to vote right at the start of D2 and in a rush. I voted Boogs because I thought he seemed most suspicious at the time, but I no longer think that. Good to know.

Exhibit C: His absence from the website matches up to Night 2. He wouldn't have a chance to send in an NK.

Fair point, but you can take my word on this one: as a baddie, I NEVER miss my PMs. Never. If I even had the opportunity (which I did at some point, even though I was really busy) to pop on and send in an NK, I would have done it. Since this observation is based on conjecture that I'm bad because I "missed" my PM, I really can't argue with it any more than with WIFOM right back at it.

I would be able to look past one of these things on it's own. But, the combination of all three have convinced me to vote for him.

I will elaborate more on why I think Mongoose deserves a vote most in a minute, and it's certainly not because of a NO U.

[Boogs]

Sorry I didn't notice the green replies. I see now your reply, MP.