Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

Yes you can change your reads. But between Thunal, Cat and Falcon you have shown a pattern of modifying your read to suit the situation in the thread. Like even now townreading Ted and switching to Falcon just looks like you backing off pushing Ted because you need allies and are trying to pocket him.

Your townshielding of Thunal was like next level over the top, but then day 2 you're just like "yeah we need to flip this before endgame". You're just focused on working out your viable kills imo. Like even looking at your readslist you've just got it ordered from most to least difficult to chop as town.

lolllll

[TonyStarkPrime]

v/v

Who is this referring to (for posteriority)?

martin syn

[TonyStarkPrime]

syn went through the wolfy cycle and arrived at the other side

[TonyStarkPrime]

You will be first against the wall when Cat flips Mafia.

you literally /never/ do this if you know cat is going to flip mafia. never.

[TonyStarkPrime]

it does not happen

[nutella]

Yes you can change your reads. But between Thunal, Cat and Falcon you have shown a pattern of modifying your read to suit the situation in the thread. Like even now townreading Ted and switching to Falcon just looks like you backing off pushing Ted because you need allies and are trying to pocket him.

Your townshielding of Thunal was like next level over the top, but then day 2 you're just like "yeah we need to flip this before endgame". You're just focused on working out your viable kills imo. Like even looking at your readslist you've just got it ordered from most to least difficult to chop as town.

im not townreading ted and switching to falcon just because i need allies and im trying to pocket ted

this is what you call confirmation bias

you are tunneled and committed to scumreading me, and any new thing that happens, you will try to explain it with "this thing happens because i was right"

i switched to townreading ted because i think the post i quoted was really towny from the emotional variety kind of towny - him calling me a hypocrite


my townshield of thunal was me being confident in my townread on day 1

day 2 changed because dya was night killed over other people + from game theory's pov i feel like we need to know thunal's flip

im putting more priority in solving the game based off of my understanding of proper gameplay theory over my personal reads

you flipped on thunal because day died that is exactly the mafia strategy

unfortunately for you we cleared her off cat spew pretty quickly

there's a world she's scum with you and if martin is defending you like jpic said where i haven't read yet, it's worth noting that martin hard defended thunal too

but i think you were pocketing her d1 and are now trying to get her back in the poe

[TonyStarkPrime]

also cat had a stupid sr of syn so syn is also town

[Justplayingitcool]

it does not happen

I would have tbf

[nutella]

it does not happen

i disagree lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

thunal's clear off cat spew??

[TonyStarkPrime]

it does not happen

I would have tbf

it does not happen

i disagree lol

you are both wrong

[TonyStarkPrime]

thunal's clear off cat spew??

gotta change my vote

[TonyStarkPrime]

did we ever come up with a coherent reason for why dya is dead and not, say, Mac?

[nutella]

lmao

[nutella]

ooh martin syn interaction? sounds fun god i have so many pages to read

[Justplayingitcool]

did we ever come up with a coherent reason for why dya is dead and not, say, Mac?

Probably to go for a strong player that might not have received the doc.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I didn't even read their interaction but tutuu said there was

how does nutella have 723 posts what nonsense is this

[TonyStarkPrime]

did we ever come up with a coherent reason for why dya is dead and not, say, Mac?

Probably to go for a strong player that might not have received the doc.

mafia second order thinking

[nutella]

So Kyle is self-silencing in order to charge up a role?

If he's not evil, then why would the scum team allow this? Surely it would be something harmful to them.

Moreover, why would a town Kyle assume that he's safe to just announce it? Wouldn't a safer plan be to just *be silenced*? Like Sloonei purportedly is?

Silencer role is dead, it was a scum role. But Kyle announced his thing on Day 1, before cat was yeeted. I only just now found out about Kyle's charge-up punch, but just how foregone was the conclusion that cat was going down at the time he announced?

Maybe scum-Kyle realized he couldn't hide behind a silencing role in order to charge his ability, and chose to announce it instead when he knew cat was going down.

Then the theorized Universal Backup used the silence on Sloonei... this would have been a surprise to the scum team, or else they could have used that as an excuse why Kyle was silent on Day 2, and he could have kept it secret.

All in all, why isn't Kyle dead if he's a villager claiming a powerful role?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

what

[nutella]

kyle would not have that as mafia lol that's ridiculous

and "why isn't he dead" is just silly he was suspected some and there were townier ppl with good reads

[nutella]

he's almost certainly town from having that role imo

[nutella]

am now at the point where marmot entered thread he looks like tutuu teammate

[nutella]

martin also looking very scummy on that page

[Timsup2nothin]

You will be first against the wall when Cat flips Mafia.

you literally /never/ do this if you know cat is going to flip mafia. never.

You will be first against the wall when Tutuu flips mafia.

[Timsup2nothin]

did we ever come up with a coherent reason for why dya is dead and not, say, Mac?

Doc dodge seems viable.

[tutuu]

am now at the point where marmot entered thread he looks like tutuu teammate

martin also looking very scummy on that page

martin and marmot are scummy because they are townreading me and/or im townreading them

insightful take

[nutella]

dfj;alsdjflsdjf ok got my breakfast and coffee just five more pages to read chugchugchug

[TonyStarkPrime]

wolf

[Justplayingitcool]

Remove your vote from falcon imo

[TonyStarkPrime]

thank you for bolding it to make it more clear

[Justplayingitcool]

dfj;alsdjflsdjf ok got my breakfast and coffee just five more pages to read chugchugchug

Fair enough.

[Justplayingitcool]

On a side note, whoever got 1610 is a wolf

[Master Radishes]

On a side note, whoever got 1610 is a wolf

Kylemii. Just checked.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I got 6160 does that count for anything

[Timsup2nothin]

@Sloonei i don't think we've played together yet since before? are you pretty much the same as you were or have you evolved a lot specifically to spite me?

Hmmmm...maybe?

[Master Radishes]

I think abovementioned might be a great way to discredit kylemii.

Definition: you can out yourself as n1 watcher by asking kylemii something along the lines of "you're claiming to have been roleblocked butnkbody visited you this night. Explain". Coukd be a way to mark you as towny.

Just a suggestion but feels pretty goodif we can turn it into a lynch

[Michelle]

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Who should get what's coming?
Poll runs till Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:00 am
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You may select 1 option


112
0
No votes
Voters: None
Alison
0
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Voters: None
DrWilgy
1
4%
Voters: Made
Dyslexicon
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Voters: None
falcon45ca
4
15%
Voters: tutuu, 112, Marmot, MartinGG99
Hyena
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Voters: None
JackofHearts2005
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Voters: None
JustPlayingitcool
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Kylemii
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Voters: None
Long Con
1
4%
Voters: tedxtr
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Made
3
12%
Voters: Timsup2nothin, TonyStarkPrime, Justplayingitcool
Marmot
0
No votes
Voters: None
MartinGG99
1
4%
Voters: Sloonei
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
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nutella
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Sloonei
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Voters: None
Syn
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Thunal33
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Voters: None
Timsup2nothin
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Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
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Voters: None
TurnipHead
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
7
27%
Voters: Michelle, Syn, Long Con, nutella, MacDougall, Master Radishes, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
No vote
3
12%
Voters: Alison, Hyena, Kylemii
No elimination
1
4%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005
Subterranean Homesick Alien (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
5
19%
Voters: cat, juliets, c4e5g3d5, JaggedJimmyJay, Epignosis
Total votes: 26

VC

[nutella]

okay not that sure syn is town

this is just so weird

amazing how quick someone goes from your strongest town reads to your POE

Yeah

vice versa too

[Michelle]

On a side note, whoever got 1610 is a wolf

[nutella]

syn's just a wolf

No, martin is

[Master Radishes]

Gotta say, this is more votes on tutuu than I expected.

Mac's case is decent but not exactly a slam dunk.

[Master Radishes]

syn's just a wolf

No, martin is

Both Syn and Martin are way more confident in their tutuu reads than I'd expect from people uninformed of her true alignment, tbh.

[nutella]

i think alot of alignments can be spewed right now

@tedxtr do u still townread me?

@Marmot whats ur read on me?

"hi token townie and token teammate give stances on me for wifom loooool"

[nutella]

syn is goating. the rumors came to fruition

[Justplayingitcool]

Gotta say, this is more votes on tutuu than I expected.

Mac's case is decent but not exactly a slam dunk.

Gotta say, this is more votes on falcon than I expected who was the counterwagon!

[Michelle]

did we ever come up with a coherent reason for why dya is dead and not, say, Mac?

Yes, I said something about it, and so said Mac.

Prob Mac is right because he said mafia dodged protection because Dya is not well knows by Syndicate players and in the same time is the type of town leader who makes wolves feel uncomfortable

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw, has anyone done cat analyses yet? I'll start there and/or iso him myself.

Honestly I don't think its worth reading into it for me

because if it is a big mafia team then there could be good arguments for both trying to push and trying to protect cat as being scum

and I think the nuances of that could be confused for the wrong alignment especially in such a big game where even I wouldn't be surprised if at least one town had some bad interaction

at the very least I hope to find something independently scummy and not just "Oh they had X interaction with person with Y flip, therefore they must be evil/scum/mafia!"

Well, falcon fits the mold for both.

I still think it's worth looking into. Yes we could be wrong and hit townies, but we run that risk regardless of our strategy.


Fwiw, in Shadow Corridors, we did desperately try to protect JackofHearts from going down, with no success. But you are right. Despite my late vote for the counterwagon (NIK), I was never really sussed for it. I had a good reason to vote NIK, but I had no defense for Jack aside from "he's just town guys, don't bake him".

@Jackofhearts2005 do you know what I'm thinking reading this?

I do not. I don’t even remember shadow corridors unless that’s the game where the wolves were anonymous.

[nutella]

obligitaroy note for when I eventually claim my role, which is coronavirus: all joker gifs itt are not to be taken seriously

Are you 3p btw

[nutella]

@tedxtr do u still townread me?

i think so, even though you made the wrong move by pushing me and not sure i'm ready to forgive you yet

i'm gonna ask mac to push LC with me when he comes back

games being centered around mac's reads clearly isnt working out and they should stop be

worked out d1

[Master Radishes]

LC and Nook seem like possible wolf slots hopping on a fresh tutuu wagon that built up some early momentum.