Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Hyena]

zzzz

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

Is anyone around who can tell me a little bit about what's happening?

Are there cases to point to and such?

It would be a great help. Otherwise I can loaf around in the thread a bit myself too.

[TonyStarkPrime]

this whole "some people acting like there's a big wagon on made despite the fact that there are two votes on made" thing doesn't sit right with me and I don't know how

[TonyStarkPrime]

made said they thought they were scumread by thread consensus. this does not appear to correspond to reality

[TonyStarkPrime]

Now, I'm playing this like a mash and reading a corresponding number of posts but

[Made]

made said they thought they were scumread by thread consensus. this does not appear to correspond to reality

nah, the votes just aren't there rn. they pop in and out of existence fairly often. I was just trying to get ahead of the foolishness before someone pushed me harder.

[TonyStarkPrime]

one side of this isn't holding up. And I think Made is right and it's the thread side that's not

[TonyStarkPrime]

if you're gonna chop made just chop made smh

[TonyStarkPrime]

so what does all of this mean?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

so what does all of this mean?

You’re the philosophy boy

[TonyStarkPrime]

nanook I've already decided you're a wolf don't test me

[Made]

Is anyone around who can tell me a little bit about what's happening?

Are there cases to point to and such?

It would be a great help. Otherwise I can loaf around in the thread a bit myself too.

so Kyle is "muted" but can say who he votes for
Sloonei is muted, but can vote
Made isn't mafia

those are the big things

[TonyStarkPrime]

how do we know that sloonei is muted and can sloonei do the votey thing

[Made]

Actually, do we want to do the Nanook push now?

I can start this one
[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

[Timsup2nothin]

made said they thought they were scumread by thread consensus. this does not appear to correspond to reality

Not sure I agree with you. The number of people who have voted for Made at some point and then wandered off onto what I could uncharitably call "fad wagons" without any real clear "okay not Made" statement is pretty large. I'm not gonna push on them, but I would not be surprised if at EoD a lot of those people just remember they never had a real good reason when they got off the Made wagon and get back on. I can't bet because I'm in the thread and can theoretically make things happen, but if I were in spec chat I'd be handicapping Made as most likely chop of the day.

[Made]

how do we know that sloonei is muted and can sloonei do the votey thing

if he could, we're all assume he would of by now.

[Dyslexicon]

Is anyone around who can tell me a little bit about what's happening?

Are there cases to point to and such?

It would be a great help. Otherwise I can loaf around in the thread a bit myself too.

so Kyle is "muted" but can say who he votes for
Sloonei is muted, but can vote
Made isn't mafia

those are the big things

Um. I'll was about to check Mac's posts about you.

I don't think Martin's last posts are scummy at all. Don't know why the wagon exists though.

Also @nutella the fuck did I do now lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

made said they thought they were scumread by thread consensus. this does not appear to correspond to reality

Not sure I agree with you. The number of people who have voted for Made at some point and then wandered off onto what I could uncharitably call "fad wagons" without any real clear "okay not Made" statement is pretty large. I'm not gonna push on them, but I would not be surprised if at EoD a lot of those people just remember they never had a real good reason when they got off the Made wagon and get back on. I can't bet because I'm in the thread and can theoretically make things happen, but if I were in spec chat I'd be handicapping Made as most likely chop of the day.

i agree with your assessment I'm asking why this is

[Made]

made said they thought they were scumread by thread consensus. this does not appear to correspond to reality

Not sure I agree with you. The number of people who have voted for Made at some point and then wandered off onto what I could uncharitably call "fad wagons" without any real clear "okay not Made" statement is pretty large. I'm not gonna push on them, but I would not be surprised if at EoD a lot of those people just remember they never had a real good reason when they got off the Made wagon and get back on. I can't bet because I'm in the thread and can theoretically make things happen, but if I were in spec chat I'd be handicapping Made as most likely chop of the day.

See, what people keep forgetting to account for, is the fact that i'm different

you can't predict me. I already dicted it

[Made]

I’ve made a bunch of uncalled votes

Probably going to continue to do so tbh

I believe I was the third vote on tutu, might’ve been second not sure. Right after Mac’s.

Tim, I found your wagonomic policy vote.

[Made]

@Timsup2nothin ^^^

[TonyStarkPrime]

tim vote for nanook so I can push there for no reason and try to chop nanoook before I shoot him at night

[TonyStarkPrime]

made is probably just town

[Hyena]

EoD1 Vote Counts (for my own note taking)

Confirmed Town
Townreads
Don't care/Null/2 Bored 2 Read/I forgot
Scumreads
Confirmed Scum

Cat(10): Nute, Nanook, Tutuu, Made, Ted, Falcon, Mac, Tim, Dizzy, Marmot
Falcon(7): Thunal, Cat, Martin, Long Con, Wilgy, JPIC, Radish
Thunal(3): Dya, TSP, Michelle
Hyena(2): Sloonei, Kylemii
Nutella(2): Syn, Jack
Marmot(1): 112
Ted(1): Hyena

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine kyle might be onto something here

[Timsup2nothin]

made said they thought they were scumread by thread consensus. this does not appear to correspond to reality

Not sure I agree with you. The number of people who have voted for Made at some point and then wandered off onto what I could uncharitably call "fad wagons" without any real clear "okay not Made" statement is pretty large. I'm not gonna push on them, but I would not be surprised if at EoD a lot of those people just remember they never had a real good reason when they got off the Made wagon and get back on. I can't bet because I'm in the thread and can theoretically make things happen, but if I were in spec chat I'd be handicapping Made as most likely chop of the day.

i agree with your assessment I'm asking why this is

My theory...when Mac laid the case on Cat it was really on Cat+Made. Cat flipping red for the most part just nailed Made, and if town had a night one vig we probably wouldn't have this problem. But day two just launched with chopping Made as the very likely outcome.

I myself would have been more or less fine with piling on Made and just bailing for 48 hours, but we know that's not realistic, towns gonna town. So cases come, and cases go, and the wagons mount up okay, but there's no real enthusiasm behind them because even people who don't want to say it are kinda just waiting to chop Made at EoD.

I'm mostly watching the wagons come and go looking for people who are consistently hard pushing any fad of the moment no matter how silly it should be for them, because if Made does flip red those are the people to look at next.

[TonyStarkPrime]

have you (anyone) ever done vote analysis that definitively incriminates you? as a wolf? I have it was funny

[TonyStarkPrime]

let's hypothesize about the possibility that there's a town vig and a mafia doctor

[TonyStarkPrime]

town vig just knows their action failed, could be any number of reasons. in a game this size, the role is too powerful to be lost.

[TonyStarkPrime]

but they don't shoot made they shoot the cw

[Dyslexicon]

I'm the most suspicious of 112 and Nanook myself, but I've read very little.

[Hyena]

EoD1 Vote Counts (for my own note taking)

Confirmed Town
Townreads
Don't care/Null/2 Bored 2 Read/I forgot
Scumreads
Confirmed Scum

Cat(10): Nute, Nanook, Tutuu, Made, Ted, Falcon, Mac, Tim, Dizzy, Marmot
Falcon(7): Thunal, Cat, Martin, Long Con, Wilgy, JPIC, Radish
Thunal(3): Dya, TSP, Michelle
Hyena(2): Sloonei, Kylemii
Nutella(2): Syn, Jack
Marmot(1): 112
Ted(1): Hyena

There's at least one scum in LC, Wilgy, Radish, especially if Falcon flips town.
At least one scum in Nanook, Made, Tutuu, Ted, Mac.
Kyle might be scum for being on me EoD1 and sheeping Sloonei.
I put Jack as scum because I think Nute is town and because I'm betting that there's a scum. I'm reading Syn more town though, so Jack is scum by default.

[Timsup2nothin]

let's hypothesize about the possibility that there's a town vig and a mafia doctor

So this mafia doctor protected Made, because sure the mafia if it includes Made is gonna want to do that.

Annnnnddddd....so what?

[Hyena]

Why is Nanook's ISO broken?

[Made]

Spoiler: show

@Sloonei
Nanook - I'm gravitating towards scumreading him now. Friendo hasn't engaged me directly at all D1. I feel like he doesn't care about what happens to me in game. He's someone that I believe has a good read on me in general. He wouldn't just sit back and and let me get townread or scumread -- he'd get involved in the discussion, methinks.
Syn - I never got a response to my question. Marmot caught on what I was trying to suggest though. Basically, how I interpreted Syn's post to Tim about him not having a read on me because he hasn't read the game was that Syn has read the game and that he DOES have a read on me. Haven't seen it though.

I TR you and you haven’t been in actual danger so

No need to go hard in your defense

Especially with the claim throwing me off

Tim if I were mafia what do you think the odds of you being alive would be

given tim's play, pretty good odds

I was somewhat astonished that the answer to "who tilted Nanook" was not "Syn did it."

Idt syn’s ever tilted me

Me neither but he tries constantly and I like to encourage him to think he may be effective someday.

Any idea why Nutella has him so far down the list?

I assume cause he’s syn and he lives in the low-middle of readslists

I’ve never seen syn not get POE’d but he’s a very good town player

Syn how mad would you be if we towncored you

i would stop posting as revenge and rob you guys of my oversized intellect and solving

That seems like the only appropriate reaction

My reads are the same as they were yesterday

Literally no changes

Gimme the link please, I want to read them

Tim/Mac/nutella/syn/jack/hyena/tsp/thun

Idk if I posted them in one place before and it’s easier to consult my notes anyways

I went down a really fun rabbit hole. right now I'm calling it "syn and nanook are teammates and we should vote them, unless they're just really good friends, but still we should chop nanook."

It's a working title.

[TonyStarkPrime]

let's hypothesize about the possibility that there's a town vig and a mafia doctor

So this mafia doctor protected Made, because sure the mafia if it includes Made is gonna want to do that.

Annnnnddddd....so what?

do you think made is the most likely vig target

[TonyStarkPrime]

there's no one who could possibly have hypothetically shot made, except me

[TonyStarkPrime]

tutuu swing at the ball

[Hyena]

So I return to Cat still being bork'd

A falcon rally happened and then there's Thunal slightly behind.

Voting Thunal. Lets see what happens.

I was going to do that vote before I read this post... so don't count my vote as reactionary to yours, or you will get false results.

Thank you LC. You had scum read me earlier and I had scum read you as well. How are you feeling about that now?

Ehhh, I don't like Wilgy's announcement that he's voting Thunal. I like LC's reaction though.
Moving Wilgy down to scum, moving LC up to town.

[Made]

@Hyena why is syn town??

[Hyena]

So I return to Cat still being bork'd

A falcon rally happened and then there's Thunal slightly behind.

Voting Thunal. Lets see what happens.

I was going to do that vote before I read this post... so don't count my vote as reactionary to yours, or you will get false results.

Thank you LC. You had scum read me earlier and I had scum read you as well. How are you feeling about that now?

Ehhh, I don't like Wilgy's announcement that he's voting Thunal. I like LC's reaction though.
Moving Wilgy down to scum, moving LC up to town.

Wait, how did Wilgy end up on Falcon after voting for Thunal?

[Hyena]

@Hyena why is syn town??

Cat spew. I talked about it earlier. It was, like, one of the major changes in my reads.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm now going to read the cat iso and choose one person who is invariably a wolf. we will chop that person today.

[nutella]

tutuu swing at the ball

ooh spicy

@tutuu

[Made]

@Hyena why is syn town??

Cat spew. I talked about it earlier. It was, like, one of the major changes in my reads.

gotcha. cheers mate

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Alison give me the stealing one

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm lock town trust me

[Timsup2nothin]

let's hypothesize about the possibility that there's a town vig and a mafia doctor

So this mafia doctor protected Made, because sure the mafia if it includes Made is gonna want to do that.

Annnnnddddd....so what?

do you think made is the most likely vig target

I think he'd have been a good one, yeah. At EoD Mac's associative case and Cat's red flip were fresh tracks, and that's when a lot of potential vigs are gonna make their choice. I also don't think the simple "shoot the counterwagon" applies on a wolf flip.

But I am really at "so what?" Speculating about what a hypothetical vig might have done and hypothesizing how it apparently didn't work is just building post count.

[Made]

@Syn read on Nanook?