Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 6]

[Epignosis]

remember seanzie is town if grogu is real cop

If.

[KZA]

Fine I'll vote Guilo

if Grogu is Mafia then fine I lose to his Valentine's Day story whatever this mech is hard enough without that wrench thrown in

You think I would make up a girlfriend story to prove what? If I was scum I will also be told I have two actions. Then mafia would lie accordingly. There is no need to make up an excuse.
That is the part you don’t seem to understand. Your role doubles any role not just cop. What am I missing?

Okay if you knew you had 2 actions why didn't you fake 2 actions?

[Grogu]

In Bike, Seanzie had 176 posts across three game phases and 60 pages. I was bad and I recall Seanzie on my ass.

Here? Nothing. 133 posts across five game phases and 157 pages. Night and day.

That’s irrelevant. Life happens and people are busy

[Epignosis]

remember seanzie is town if grogu is real cop

Yes he’s confirmed unless some shenanigans happen which I find very very unlikely.

How is Seanzie confirmed if you are not?

[Epignosis]

In Bike, Seanzie had 176 posts across three game phases and 60 pages. I was bad and I recall Seanzie on my ass.

Here? Nothing. 133 posts across five game phases and 157 pages. Night and day.

That’s irrelevant. Life happens and people are busy

[Epignosis]

@Guillotine

Stop voting yourself, you doughnut. Come back.

[Epignosis]

Seanzie isn't silenced today, so there's that.

[Epignosis]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

[Epignosis]

What evidence does anyone have that Guillotine is mafia?

[Guillotine]

@Guillotine

Stop voting yourself, you doughnut. Come back.

NAH BRO! IM SO MAD MAN MY HANDS ARE SHAKING AND SHIITV THEY ATE DUMBFOUNDED!

GROGU IS THE OUTED WOLF! HE GOT OUR COP YEETED! KZA WANTS TO BELIEVE HE HAS NOT BEEN WRONG SO NO MATTER THE GODDAMN EVIDENCE HE FINDS HE WILL FIND A WAY TO SECOND GUESS HIMSELF AND LET THE WOLVES MANIPULATE HIM INTO YEETING ME!!!

The fucking arrogance or the pride or both that I cannot be right, that i have to be wrong because im either the GODDAMN NEGATIVE UTILITY TOWN or just scum.

YOU WILL SEE WHEN I FLIP HOW WRONG YOU WERE! and I'm gonna lose my best town game to date because the wolves manage to pocket these dumb townies and manipulate them into killing our own cop and let the fake cop win!

[Guillotine]

So just flip me let's get it over with.

[Seanzie]

In Bike, Seanzie had 176 posts across three game phases and 60 pages. I was bad and I recall Seanzie on my ass.

Here? Nothing. 133 posts across five game phases and 157 pages. Night and day.

That’s irrelevant. Life happens and people are busy

It's actually more like I've never played a game with more than 13 people, and I was in the middle of a 17er that I could barely handle when this game started, and I didn't even know this game started until N1, so I have been playing catchup while not having enough time to dedicate to both games, and also have been mostly lost the entire time since I barely read any of D1, and only a little of D2-D4. I've read all of D5 though (the 17er ended, so I've had more time, also the number of players is actually tractable now).

Anyways, I have some thoughts.

I think in general I believe Daisy, but I have some tinfoil about her revolving around some stuff earlier today that I'd like resolved eventually, but for now, I think KZA has a point that Daisy looks good in some ways.

Grogu idk about. For some reason, most of the day I've been convinced that the Seemer must be in {Grogu, Chard}, but the more I think about it, in the universe that Grogu is scum, is there any real reason to think that Grogu is Seemer? Grogu didn't CC cop until essentially being heavily pressured after Chard's claim, right? That is something that any scum role would do (it would be different I think if Grogu claimed first, because then if scum!grogu lost the claim battle, they could flip as cop and we would be here trying to figure out Chard today). Why is this relevant? Well, it is pretty obvious that somehow Grogu didn't know he had two NA's until well into today, after he had been posting for a while. What sort of lunatic doesn't see that they have those big red bubbles saying they have a message when they first get on the forum? At first, this seemed NAI because Grogu would have seen this as either Seemer or cop, and so I thought Grogu just literally derped... but since Grogu doesn't need to be Seemer... there are two possible wolf roles Grogu could be that DON'T have NA's! As such, I'mma say that it seems really likely that Grogu is just lying, and didn't get a message from LC, because Grogu is either Solus or Morlun.

Outside of that, my reads are something like this:

KZA
Esooa
Daisy

Nutella
Mac
Guillo
Jack
Epi

Grogu

Quas
112

Re: Daisy tinfoil - I still don't get why Daisy was asking about which roles would know if they were visited. This seems sus, and I didn't understand her explanation, but I think there are other reasons to think Daisy is just town, assuming I'm not really misunderstanding something.

Also, light Mac tinfoil - Mac looked SOOO much like they were rolefishing earlier today. I think KZA also commented on this. I hope y'all are right about them, because it gave me super bad vibes.

[nutella]

remember seanzie is town if grogu is real cop

what about info deceiving wolf

ah tru

[112]

Well Guillo seems too expressive to be town.

[nutella]

In Bike, Seanzie had 176 posts across three game phases and 60 pages. I was bad and I recall Seanzie on my ass.

Here? Nothing. 133 posts across five game phases and 157 pages. Night and day.

mmm

[nutella]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

[Guillotine]

Well Guillo seems too expressive to be town.

You shut up wolf. You are the second mistake we did in this game after believing grogu over Chard. We should have yeeted you long ago.

[KZA]

Seanzie actually has a good point there

[Epignosis]

@Guillotine

Stop voting yourself, you doughnut. Come back.

NAH BRO! IM SO MAD MAN MY HANDS ARE SHAKING AND SHIITV THEY ATE DUMBFOUNDED!

GROGU IS THE OUTED WOLF! HE GOT OUR COP YEETED! KZA WANTS TO BELIEVE HE HAS NOT BEEN WRONG SO NO MATTER THE GODDAMN EVIDENCE HE FINDS HE WILL FIND A WAY TO SECOND GUESS HIMSELF AND LET THE WOLVES MANIPULATE HIM INTO YEETING ME!!!

The fucking arrogance or the pride or both that I cannot be right, that i have to be wrong because im either the GODDAMN NEGATIVE UTILITY TOWN or just scum.

YOU WILL SEE WHEN I FLIP HOW WRONG YOU WERE! and I'm gonna lose my best town game to date because the wolves manage to pocket these dumb townies and manipulate them into killing our own cop and let the fake cop win!

Simmah donnah, simmah donnah.

First of all, as a fellow approaching 40, seeing "HE GOT OUR COP YEETED!" as a serious statement of anguish is pretty funny.

More importantly though, I don't give a shit about any of the mechanics in this and anybody troubling themselves over them is silly.

I think Seanzie is bad. I will also vote Grogu. I will not be voting for you.

[nutella]

Grogu idk about. For some reason, most of the day I've been convinced that the Seemer must be in {Grogu, Chard}, but the more I think about it, in the universe that Grogu is scum, is there any real reason to think that Grogu is Seemer? Grogu didn't CC cop until essentially being heavily pressured after Chard's claim, right? That is something that any scum role would do (it would be different I think if Grogu claimed first, because then if scum!grogu lost the claim battle, they could flip as cop and we would be here trying to figure out Chard today). Why is this relevant? Well, it is pretty obvious that somehow Grogu didn't know he had two NA's until well into today, after he had been posting for a while. What sort of lunatic doesn't see that they have those big red bubbles saying they have a message when they first get on the forum? At first, this seemed NAI because Grogu would have seen this as either Seemer or cop, and so I thought Grogu just literally derped... but since Grogu doesn't need to be Seemer... there are two possible wolf roles Grogu could be that DON'T have NA's! As such, I'mma say that it seems really likely that Grogu is just lying, and didn't get a message from LC, because Grogu is either Solus or Morlun.

strongly disagree with this line of thinking

i think grogu's story about missing the pm until he'd been in thread is just real regardless

[Epignosis]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

And this makes sense for a mafia member to do why?

[Guillotine]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

I fake claimed and retracted yes! MADE, KZA, ESOOA, MAC all of us have! And I’d do it again if it means buying ourselves another day of life!

[nutella]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

And this makes sense for a mafia member to do why?

it's their only out once we realized chardonnay was the seemer

both guillo and you have gone full in on this denial shit and it's to the point where you are not open to the other perspective and that's because only one perspective benefits you and you have to both survive the day

[Epignosis]

In Bike, Seanzie had 176 posts across three game phases and 60 pages. I was bad and I recall Seanzie on my ass.

Here? Nothing. 133 posts across five game phases and 157 pages. Night and day.

That’s irrelevant. Life happens and people are busy

It's actually more like I've never played a game with more than 13 people, and I was in the middle of a 17er that I could barely handle when this game started, and I didn't even know this game started until N1, so I have been playing catchup while not having enough time to dedicate to both games, and also have been mostly lost the entire time since I barely read any of D1, and only a little of D2-D4. I've read all of D5 though (the 17er ended, so I've had more time, also the number of players is actually tractable now).

Anyways, I have some thoughts.

I think in general I believe Daisy, but I have some tinfoil about her revolving around some stuff earlier today that I'd like resolved eventually, but for now, I think KZA has a point that Daisy looks good in some ways.

Grogu idk about. For some reason, most of the day I've been convinced that the Seemer must be in {Grogu, Chard}, but the more I think about it, in the universe that Grogu is scum, is there any real reason to think that Grogu is Seemer? Grogu didn't CC cop until essentially being heavily pressured after Chard's claim, right? That is something that any scum role would do (it would be different I think if Grogu claimed first, because then if scum!grogu lost the claim battle, they could flip as cop and we would be here trying to figure out Chard today). Why is this relevant? Well, it is pretty obvious that somehow Grogu didn't know he had two NA's until well into today, after he had been posting for a while. What sort of lunatic doesn't see that they have those big red bubbles saying they have a message when they first get on the forum? At first, this seemed NAI because Grogu would have seen this as either Seemer or cop, and so I thought Grogu just literally derped... but since Grogu doesn't need to be Seemer... there are two possible wolf roles Grogu could be that DON'T have NA's! As such, I'mma say that it seems really likely that Grogu is just lying, and didn't get a message from LC, because Grogu is either Solus or Morlun.

Outside of that, my reads are something like this:

KZA
Esooa
Daisy

Nutella
Mac
Guillo
Jack
Epi

Grogu

Quas
112

Re: Daisy tinfoil - I still don't get why Daisy was asking about which roles would know if they were visited. This seems sus, and I didn't understand her explanation, but I think there are other reasons to think Daisy is just town, assuming I'm not really misunderstanding something.

Also, light Mac tinfoil - Mac looked SOOO much like they were rolefishing earlier today. I think KZA also commented on this. I hope y'all are right about them, because it gave me super bad vibes.

"but the more I think about it" is a mafia tell. You are not being genuine in presenting your thoughts. You are mafia.

[nutella]

we have another whole 24 hours btw

[KZA]

we have another whole 24 hours btw

Oh what

[Epignosis]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

And this makes sense for a mafia member to do why?

it's their only out once we realized chardonnay was the seemer

both guillo and you have gone full in on this denial shit and it's to the point where you are not open to the other perspective and that's because only one perspective benefits you and you have to both survive the day

I know this will annoy you, but I am going to ask anyway. The other day was not a good day.

What made you realize chardonnary was the seemer?

[Epignosis]

we have another whole 24 hours btw

I don't.

[Seanzie]

Grogu idk about. For some reason, most of the day I've been convinced that the Seemer must be in {Grogu, Chard}, but the more I think about it, in the universe that Grogu is scum, is there any real reason to think that Grogu is Seemer? Grogu didn't CC cop until essentially being heavily pressured after Chard's claim, right? That is something that any scum role would do (it would be different I think if Grogu claimed first, because then if scum!grogu lost the claim battle, they could flip as cop and we would be here trying to figure out Chard today). Why is this relevant? Well, it is pretty obvious that somehow Grogu didn't know he had two NA's until well into today, after he had been posting for a while. What sort of lunatic doesn't see that they have those big red bubbles saying they have a message when they first get on the forum? At first, this seemed NAI because Grogu would have seen this as either Seemer or cop, and so I thought Grogu just literally derped... but since Grogu doesn't need to be Seemer... there are two possible wolf roles Grogu could be that DON'T have NA's! As such, I'mma say that it seems really likely that Grogu is just lying, and didn't get a message from LC, because Grogu is either Solus or Morlun.

strongly disagree with this line of thinking

i think grogu's story about missing the pm until he'd been in thread is just real regardless

But he didn't just miss it until he'd been in the thread. He missed it for QUITE a while after being in the thread iirc. Like, multiple posts, even after Grogu rescinded the Guillo-check, I think he still didn't "know" he had a message from LC giving him two NAs. Lemme go check to make sure, but this is how I remember it.

[Guillotine]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

And this makes sense for a mafia member to do why?

it's their only out once we realized chardonnay was the seemer

both guillo and you have gone full in on this denial shit and it's to the point where you are not open to the other perspective and that's because only one perspective benefits you and you have to both survive the day

There is no guarantee the seemer even exists FFS!!!!

Sorry not sorry i judge the game state based on what we got in front of us!

Grogu has been playing us with his “derpy” plays. But when he was in danger then he explained to KZA like he was an experienced player! I feel it! He is playing us! Wake the hell up! HE’S PLAYING US!!!!

[KZA]

Yeah I'm parking on Grogu

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

[nutella]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

And this makes sense for a mafia member to do why?

it's their only out once we realized chardonnay was the seemer

both guillo and you have gone full in on this denial shit and it's to the point where you are not open to the other perspective and that's because only one perspective benefits you and you have to both survive the day

I know this will annoy you, but I am going to ask anyway. The other day was not a good day.

What made you realize chardonnary was the seemer?

kza thinking so, and guillo outing as a wolf overnight fmpov for the reasons already stated.

[nutella]

i feel like a broken record

i'm not engaging epi anymore he's just continuing to play dumb

[Guillotine]

You know what. Epi is right. Im not gonna make it easy for the wolves. F.U

[VOTE: GROGU] aubergine

Im parking it here.

[KZA]

Well Chard and Daisys actions line up so perfectly with mine that it's probably just Grogu is maf

[Epignosis]

i feel like a broken record

i'm not engaging epi anymore he's just continuing to play dumb

You should know by now that I'm not playing.

[Seanzie]

Just got word. My fears happened and I feel like shit.
KZA is town, I am only saying this as a fact but not mechanically. I do not have a check on her.
I did receive a message telling me I had two shots of my role.
This was shortly after thread close and I was long gone.
I have asked to use it tonight or now since I wasn’t aware.
This has been denied. I go hide in a dark hole with my girl now. I have lost this game for us, I should have never had this role. Please don’t flame me, I was way over my head and I’m getting nasty looks already. I’m going to enjoy my last night with wifey, good night all. I am very sorry

Grogu "just got word" that he had two NA's. This was after like 20-30 posts into D5. I don't think Grogu would have gone that long into D5 and not noticed a message. Grogu is backtracking here.

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

[Epignosis]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

And this makes sense for a mafia member to do why?

it's their only out once we realized chardonnay was the seemer

both guillo and you have gone full in on this denial shit and it's to the point where you are not open to the other perspective and that's because only one perspective benefits you and you have to both survive the day

I know this will annoy you, but I am going to ask anyway. The other day was not a good day.

What made you realize chardonnary was the seemer?

kza thinking so, and guillo outing as a wolf overnight fmpov for the reasons already stated.

kza thinking so isn't evidence.

"guillo outing as a wold overnight fmpov" is not evidence.

"for the reasons already stated" isn't helpful.

For someone with over a thousand posts in this thing, you are the least helpful person to me.

[Epignosis]

@nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?

he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

And this makes sense for a mafia member to do why?

it's their only out once we realized chardonnay was the seemer

both guillo and you have gone full in on this denial shit and it's to the point where you are not open to the other perspective and that's because only one perspective benefits you and you have to both survive the day

There is no guarantee the seemer even exists FFS!!!!

Sorry not sorry i judge the game state based on what we got in front of us!

Grogu has been playing us with his “derpy” plays. But when he was in danger then he explained to KZA like he was an experienced player! I feel it! He is playing us! Wake the hell up! HE’S PLAYING US!!!!

Well, there is a seemer explicitly named in the roles list. I understand that that role may not actually exist.

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

If Grogu is bad, I'm voting nutella next.

[KZA]

Mac is probably just mafia and openly role hunting

[Epignosis]

Mac is probably just mafia and openly role hunting

I would lynch MacDougall as well.

[Esooa]

I'm like 99% sure town lost lol

[MacDougall]

kza sorry I was seeing wolves every where nite 3. I should have listeners to Made.

weird tho when I did a fake cop claim and said I forgot to send my action people bought that but not believing I am rb is just weird.

MacDougall knows he was rbed. so does nutella and esooa. so should grogu.

I think grogu has been lying so much he forgets his lies. he still thinks this is about nite 4. but it's the only narrative he knows.

and somehow only you, Guillotine, and senzie believe me.

I already told you I don't have a role that acts and didn't get notified

[KZA]

I'm like 99% sure town lost lol

I accept full responsibility

[MacDougall]

Mac is probably just mafia and openly role hunting

Ngl I've felt the same about you multiple times

[MacDougall]

Mac is probably just mafia and openly role hunting

I would lynch MacDougall as well.

I'm out of my scumrange.

[Epignosis]

Mac is probably just mafia and openly role hunting

I would lynch MacDougall as well.

I'm out of my scumrange.

You don't have one.

[Jackofhearts2005]

So I haven’t caught up. Seems like people think Goru is lying now. I’m sure there’s a good reason for that.

I’m skeptical of there being any good reason to suspect Guillo. Borderline my top town. Maybe my actual top town depending on who died last night as I’ve forgotten.

[Grogu]

Fine I'll vote Guilo

if Grogu is Mafia then fine I lose to his Valentine's Day story whatever this mech is hard enough without that wrench thrown in

WOW. Fuck this game. We dont deserve to win this shit. Im not playing here again.

[VOTE: Guillotina] aubergine

I gave everything i had to give to this game but the syndicate protect their own even if they are scum.

See you never!

I’m sorry friend, no one is protecting me. I am new here also

[Grogu]

Fine I'll vote Guilo

if Grogu is Mafia then fine I lose to his Valentine's Day story whatever this mech is hard enough without that wrench thrown in

You think I would make up a girlfriend story to prove what? If I was scum I will also be told I have two actions. Then mafia would lie accordingly. There is no need to make up an excuse.
That is the part you don’t seem to understand. Your role doubles any role not just cop. What am I missing?

Okay if you knew you had 2 actions why didn't you fake 2 actions?

Why? It was a fake. Having to fake two people would be even harder, I had to make it up. How would that be good for town? It would be more confusing and less streamlined. I almost faked a green check but I decided guillo had to be scum given eod and start of day.