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[tutuu]

Made lock town innocent child im betting all my chips im all in if im wrong im wrong idc made lock town

What has Made done that you can point to to justify this read?

I think hes posting towny and that scum are trying to get him

I assume everyone in this game is capable of "posting towny" so to me that is NAI.

Who are the scum that are "trying to get him"?

i said it earlier i think its u and radish

[Made]

actually wait,

hold the phone i'm bout to bust the whole game open......bbl...

[nutella]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

how about why mr nanook?

How about just not Nanook. There are a number of "feelie readers" who have expressed that Nanook "doesn't feel right." As far as I've seen (and admittedly I haven't gone looking) these feelie reads haven't even gone to "feels wrong"...just "doesn't feel right." My conversations with Nanook when he has happened to be around at the same time I was have gotten me the absolutely NAI nothing I expect from Nanook, so I see no reason for an early chop there.

if not feelie reads, what do you prefer?

On day one feelie reads are kinda all there is. This isn't day one. Mac associated you with Cat. Cat flipped red. The next thing to be done stands out as sort of obvious to me.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Made]

Spoiler: show

@Sloonei
Nanook - I'm gravitating towards scumreading him now. Friendo hasn't engaged me directly at all D1. I feel like he doesn't care about what happens to me in game. He's someone that I believe has a good read on me in general. He wouldn't just sit back and and let me get townread or scumread -- he'd get involved in the discussion, methinks.
Syn - I never got a response to my question. Marmot caught on what I was trying to suggest though. Basically, how I interpreted Syn's post to Tim about him not having a read on me because he hasn't read the game was that Syn has read the game and that he DOES have a read on me. Haven't seen it though.

I TR you and you haven’t been in actual danger so

No need to go hard in your defense

Especially with the claim throwing me off

Me neither but he tries constantly and I like to encourage him to think he may be effective someday.

Any idea why Nutella has him so far down the list?

I assume cause he’s syn and he lives in the low-middle of readslists

I’ve never seen syn not get POE’d but he’s a very good town player

i would stop posting as revenge and rob you guys of my oversized intellect and solving

That seems like the only appropriate reaction

Gimme the link please, I want to read them

Tim/Mac/nutella/syn/jack/hyena/tsp/thun

Idk if I posted them in one place before and it’s easier to consult my notes anyways

I went down a really fun rabbit hole. right now I'm calling it "syn and nanook are teammates and we should vote them, unless they're just really good friends, but still we should chop nanook."

It's a working title.

@Master Radishes keep my name out cha mouth

No one who’s voted me has read any of my iso, I can almost guarantee it

I've not read your full iso, but I have read some of your iso, at one point in time.

I just remember cat associations, and your disappearance after the case came down on cat.


If I have the energy today I'll give it a look, but I dunno if I will.

in case you missed it when I said it before, I was the second person to vote Cat, and I left thread and didn't come back cuz I thought the day ended later. If i were bad, it wouldn't of been hard to move my vote off of cat and make the vote closer. My team could of even reminded me to vote for falcon in the group chat if I forgot. Please take these things in mind if you haven't already.

Also, just so I can understand the logic going forward, why would a player vote their teammate and then ghost thread?

Ye I p much buy this

Main hesitation is more just *how* you sheeped mac on it

truth is, i was just a mac simp before it was cool

[Justplayingitcool]

Let's yeet tim

[hollowkatt]

why not Mr.Nanook?

His name is in there

If ur asking "why not nanook first" - i dont think it will matter if i explain it, chances are my read will get ignored, both in terms of ppl considering my reads since i dont have mac's clout, and also in terms of me coming off as towny as evidenced by my solving effort getting gnored earlier when i was a wagon. So im being pragmatic here sorry friend

how is it pragmatic to withhold information

Hi Syn! Why do people think you're wolfy?

they don't unfortunately

would you feel better if I did? I mean I don't, but if you'd like me to I can work something up to get there.

yes please

nanook and tim are on a hit campaign of telling people I'm good, and I know I can trust in you to tell them they're wrong

Attention everyone, Syn is a really bad mafia player and has never ever ever wrecked a wolf team by using PR actions super accurately and also being really hard to chop and also being really strong at analysis. None of those things are true and you should drive to his house and unplug his router.

[Marmot]

Also Martin claimed to have uhhhhh some sort of info on falcon and is voting for falcon rn, and want's us to know that if he's yeeted.

[Timsup2nothin]

Dont rly get why everyone keeps repeating that mac should be sheeped, i understand for nanook but this type of behavior from other people is brand new to me

Maybe that whole thing where he singlehandedly murdered a mafia

I actually wouldn't sheep him for that...that makes him town and credits him a pelt going forward but doesn't make him right. In this situation he made a case based on w/w interactions (which I didn't like) and that case already yielded one wolf. There is IMO no logic to be found in abandoning that case now.

[tutuu]

[VOTE: timmy] aubergine sry if wrong

[Marmot]

Let's yeet tim

Is he up to somethin'?

[nutella]

Tim be like

"Powertown found someone apparently compatible with flipped wolf, obv we just autoyeet it without having to do any additional evaluation on d2, ezclap"

If made turns out to be town that's scum motive out the boots house

[hollowkatt]

5-6-5

This wagon formation always kills a wolf, except when it kills a townie.

I think we are on a track. Which is probably a good track.

Okay, going back to sleep.

Hi Tim! Where are the wolves in your opinion?
Also we're apparently masons but also not masons but also I'm a mason with radish but I'm also not. According to Hyena anyways.

Mac made one of his associatives cases day one, which I hated because preflip associatives, but went with because I had nothing to offer. So we chopped Cat, who was indeed a wolf. The other half of the associative was Made...so I started day 2 with "either I can try to sort this out or we can just chop Made." I opted not to sort anything out, so I'm just sheeping Mac's case that already chopped one wolf and following through on chopping Made.

I have no idea what these other wagons are about.

The more you singularly focus on this and play up not caring about anything else the worse I feel about you

So far I haven't seen a Tim post that makes me want to wolf read him, which does kinda mean he's probably a wolf. maybe.

[Justplayingitcool]

Also Martin claimed to have uhhhhh some sort of info on falcon and is voting for falcon rn, and want's us to know that if he's yeeted.

He said he didn't have info

[hollowkatt]

Dont rly get why everyone keeps repeating that mac should be sheeped, i understand for nanook but this type of behavior from other people is brand new to me

Maybe that whole thing where he singlehandedly murdered a mafia

If we are going to sheep people based off the accuracy of 1 yeet then it makes sense why i need to constantly ask people to stop doing that considering he single handedly almost murdered me, a town

Alex, I'll take "Things a Wolf Says" for 1000 please.

[hollowkatt]

I also think I see what nutella's saying. Everyone feels townie rn.

Except Syn.

you are welcome to come feel me and find out

Bet you feel like a friend

[tutuu]

I gone ill be back to change vote if needed

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: Timmeh] aubergine

[Syn]

Tim be like

"Powertown found someone apparently compatible with flipped wolf, obv we just autoyeet it without having to do any additional evaluation on d2, ezclap"

If made turns out to be town that's scum motive out the boots house

RIGHT

[Timsup2nothin]

5-6-5

This wagon formation always kills a wolf, except when it kills a townie.

I think we are on a track. Which is probably a good track.

Okay, going back to sleep.

Hi Tim! Where are the wolves in your opinion?
Also we're apparently masons but also not masons but also I'm a mason with radish but I'm also not. According to Hyena anyways.

Mac made one of his associatives cases day one, which I hated because preflip associatives, but went with because I had nothing to offer. So we chopped Cat, who was indeed a wolf. The other half of the associative was Made...so I started day 2 with "either I can try to sort this out or we can just chop Made." I opted not to sort anything out, so I'm just sheeping Mac's case that already chopped one wolf and following through on chopping Made.

I have no idea what these other wagons are about.

The more you singularly focus on this and play up not caring about anything else the worse I feel about you

Well...I could lie I suppose and claim to be super actively reading back over the thread...but I would get caught in that lie and that's so embarrassing...

[nutella]

Also like mac isn't even voting for made rn so what gives lmao


Im not fully on board with yeeting martin either ftr just wanted to point it out @Timsup2nothin

[Marmot]

Tim be like

"Powertown found someone apparently compatible with flipped wolf, obv we just autoyeet it without having to do any additional evaluation on d2, ezclap"

If made turns out to be town that's scum motive out the boots house

This is a really good take.

But also, what if Made isn't town?

[hollowkatt]

wait, hang on, what are you arguing here?
The case that associates you with cat was produced by mac, right? Seems like that's how you bring mac into it. He was right on cat, he associates you and cat together, and he's not been wrong yet this game (read as he's delivered a pelt). So like I'm struggling to understand what you're doing here.

I'm not arguing anything, I'm just clarifying whether the biggest weight of the case against me comes from Mac's Ethos or the Logos of the argument itself. It can obviously be both, but It sounds like to me that saying "Mac's case" makes it more like a Mac thing than a case thing.

It is a case stated by Mac that already bagged one wolf.

Also, your "Mac has moved on" is a misrepresentation. He has gone on fishing around for more wolves, but I believe a quick Mac ISO to find his most recent postings will confirm that he is still fully in favor of chopping you. I find it very difficult to believe that fact slipped by you, so the misrepresentation appears intentional. If you are town fight for your life, but avoid the wolfy tactics please.

Does mac this game remind you then of Monty Python and your role there?

Very perceptive. Yeah that's accurate.

[hollowkatt]

I would chop martin and then master radish before considering made or nanook or dizzy

why not Mr.Nanook?

how about why mr nanook?

How about just not Nanook. There are a number of "feelie readers" who have expressed that Nanook "doesn't feel right." As far as I've seen (and admittedly I haven't gone looking) these feelie reads haven't even gone to "feels wrong"...just "doesn't feel right." My conversations with Nanook when he has happened to be around at the same time I was have gotten me the absolutely NAI nothing I expect from Nanook, so I see no reason for an early chop there.

if not feelie reads, what do you prefer?

Speaking for myself, feelies are only good to either start suspicion, or to add to an existing case. I want to see posts where nanook is making mistakes, or posts where someone is pushing and the reaction is bad, not comments about how he doesn't feel right.

He was uncomfortable in thread early game in a way that is unusual for him. I had a case d1, cba to find it rn on mobile but it was part of what started me on his tracks

Thanks, appreciate it. I'll do some digging then.

[nutella]

marmot's wolfin tbh

Hmmyes

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim be like

"Powertown found someone apparently compatible with flipped wolf, obv we just autoyeet it without having to do any additional evaluation on d2, ezclap"

If made turns out to be town that's scum motive out the boots house

RIGHT

Note:

IF

So let's chop Made and find out, hey?

[nutella]

Okay wait. I was the one who convinced you not to vote Martin, Mac's top scum read. No?

Why follow me to change away from a Mac read, but not follow Mac when he changes his scum read on me?

Cuz this is mafia and we do weird stuff.

Did Mac rescind his scumread of you? I don't remember, or know why he would have. Can you point it out?

Yeah wolf post right here

Can we wagon this for reals

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[nutella]

@tutuu why do you tr marmot? bc I see him acting out of the loop and finding excuses to sheep mac's case on made when mac isn't even on made anymore

[Justplayingitcool]

Okay wait. I was the one who convinced you not to vote Martin, Mac's top scum read. No?

Why follow me to change away from a Mac read, but not follow Mac when he changes his scum read on me?

Cuz this is mafia and we do weird stuff.

Did Mac rescind his scumread of you? I don't remember, or know why he would have. Can you point it out?

Yeah wolf post right here

Can we wagon this for reals

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I'd rather yeet tim, but Im open to marmot as well

[Made]

So uhh, I don't want to be the one who writes the case (the omgus would probably hurt any case I'd make on him) but if you look at how Tim talks about cat, his vote timing, It's kinda really sus...like really sus...

[nutella]

if you think made is town you should see the scum motive there on his wagon

[nutella]

So uhh, I don't want to be the one who writes the case (the omgus would probably hurt any case I'd make on him) but if you look at how Tim talks about cat, his vote timing, It's kinda really sus...like really sus...

ye

[nutella]

we could wagon tim too

[nutella]

[VOTE: tim] aubergine

[Timsup2nothin]

Also like mac isn't even voting for made rn so what gives lmao


Im not fully on board with yeeting martin either ftr just wanted to point it out @Timsup2nothin

As I said, Mac continues to hunt...that's what he does...but if I am getting a proper sense of where you are on your reading the last Mac post you saw was "I'm fine with chopping Martin or Made"...may or may not be exact quote since I am working from memory.

[tutuu]

@tutuu why do you tr marmot? bc I see him acting out of the loop and finding excuses to sheep mac's case on made when mac isn't even on made anymore

He scumread dya for a reason i thought was silly, i said so, i think he got hurt and it felt real and idk if he would think to fake it as wolf

[Marmot]

Okay wait. I was the one who convinced you not to vote Martin, Mac's top scum read. No?

Why follow me to change away from a Mac read, but not follow Mac when he changes his scum read on me?

Cuz this is mafia and we do weird stuff.

Did Mac rescind his scumread of you? I don't remember, or know why he would have. Can you point it out?

Yeah wolf post right here

Can we wagon this for reals

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

Yeah! Let's do it.

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu why do you tr marmot? bc I see him acting out of the loop and finding excuses to sheep mac's case on made when mac isn't even on made anymore

He scumread dya for a reason i thought was silly, i said so, i think he got hurt and it felt real and idk if he would think to fake it as wolf

I think he could fake it tbh

[Syn]

so many people to vote for but I've only got one vote

[Marmot]

if you think made is town you should see the scum motive there on his wagon

Why do you tr Made?

The wagon exists because of associations with cat, or at least that's why I'm voting there. But yeah I don't feel great about it, Made does feel townie today.

[Justplayingitcool]

so many people to vote for but I've only got one vote

vote tim

[Timsup2nothin]

NOW we're pod racing!!!!

[nutella]

I tr syn and marmot on madrs wagon, waffling on hk, im sketched out by tim and radish

When did that happen? I have fond memories of having been a town read? Pretty sure I could go find lists in your ISO. How did I become not just sketchy, but sketchy enough to taint an entire wagon almost by myself?

Sounds like you got too comfortable from being townread, and from having an easy mischop lined up and thought you could cruise through d2

[Made]

It really feels like you're deliberately casting around for a Hot New Thing to make yourself Look Good.

Like I guess I do that when i'm town too, sometimes, but it's certainly a scum trait.

You're posting as though you know how Cat is going to flip.

What does it sound like I think Cat is going to flip?

Town.

In the world where I'm maf, I wouldn't make myself look good(tm) by pushing against a wolf wagon.

You're a clever wolf. You know the levels of WIFOM at play.

But I actually just think cat is town now and your read is wrong :/

Is there anything other than the lethargic "too easy" vibe of the wagon to back this "Cat is town" read?

There's gotta be a baddie somewhere in this cluster fuck right?

[hollowkatt]

So uhh, I don't want to be the one who writes the case (the omgus would probably hurt any case I'd make on him) but if you look at how Tim talks about cat, his vote timing, It's kinda really sus...like really sus...

I'm listening...

[Marmot]

so many people to vote for but I've only got one vote

vote tim

[VOTE: tim] aubergine

[Michelle]

Hollowkatt ^^
Welcome!!!!!

Thanks Michelle! Any way I can get some cliffs?

Not from me, i read maybe 10% of the thread and the game is too big to hope I can ever catch up.
I am highly paranoid about tutuu who was pocketing everyone in a way that gave me the jeebie weebies.
Nanook is in the same place.
Idk how to explain but i don't trust Radishes.

Cat's posts are full of Wifom but the Iso may be useful.
If you need vote counts Iso me and search for 'spoiler' i saved as many as i could.

I also had a SR for Thunal.
But i want to give you space.

[Master Radishes]

Lmao at this wagon formation.

[nutella]

wait, hang on, what are you arguing here?
The case that associates you with cat was produced by mac, right? Seems like that's how you bring mac into it. He was right on cat, he associates you and cat together, and he's not been wrong yet this game (read as he's delivered a pelt). So like I'm struggling to understand what you're doing here.

I'm not arguing anything, I'm just clarifying whether the biggest weight of the case against me comes from Mac's Ethos or the Logos of the argument itself. It can obviously be both, but It sounds like to me that saying "Mac's case" makes it more like a Mac thing than a case thing.

It is a case stated by Mac that already bagged one wolf.

Also, your "Mac has moved on" is a misrepresentation. He has gone on fishing around for more wolves, but I believe a quick Mac ISO to find his most recent postings will confirm that he is still fully in favor of chopping you. I find it very difficult to believe that fact slipped by you, so the misrepresentation appears intentional. If you are town fight for your life, but avoid the wolfy tactics please.

You were excited to trade losing a wolf d1 for the profit of the false association mac drew to a townie

Keeping up the narrative of made being the obvious choice bc that's what you were counting on

[Master Radishes]

Please let's keep it this way, or something similar.

I've never seen a 4 way tie once EoD hit.

[Made]

for anyone, who are Cat's teammates if they're mafia?

If Cat's a hit Mac's association case on Made comes in hot...and Made's behavior between then and now from what I have seen has not cooled it at all.

If Cat's a hit the attempt to drag 112 down the drain with them will have to be assessed for WIFOM value.

Tim/112 w/w?