Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[MartinGG99]

Does mafia have extra KP

[Long Con]

shiiiiiet

why didnt u trust urself long connie T_T

this is a lesson for all of us. we should trust ourselves above all

I have literally stated several times this game that I think I should deliberately not trust myself specifically because my reads are bad far more often than not.

Honestly, you are really cool and cute but these last few interactions might just lead me to tunnel you for the rest of the game. Fair warning.

first sentence - feel u. evidenced by marmot flip ;-;

i didnt think that our last few interactions were that weird im sorry if i made u feel that way

i am just being my real self, thats all!

sorry T_T

hug

When you say:

when u think im scummy im town

when u think im towny im scum

at least so far this has been accurate for 100% of my scum games (sample size N=2) and id say about 80% of my town games after i randed scum for the first time (sample size N=5; i think 4 out of 5)

this is demonstrably true by past games

the evidence is right there in the data

How can I take it? Either it's true, and thus you are scum. Or it is false, and the deception would indicate you are scum. I don't know why you are apologizing, you don't need to.

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Cat(10): Nute, Nanook, Tutuu, Made, Ted, Falcon, Mac, Tim, Dizzy, Marmot

Marmot(10): Sloonei, Mac, Made, Nute, Tim, Radish, Martin, JPIC, Hyena, Syn

Nute, Made, Time, and Mac are the four people that were on both EoD scum wagons. I was already townreading all four of them, but I think this strengthens my townreads on all four of them (well, Mac is confirmed town now since he'd dead, but still!).

On the other hand, Nanook, Tutuu, Ted, Falcon, Dizzy, and Marmot were on the D1 wagon that yeeted a scum, but weren't on the D2 wagon. One of these people (Marmot) has flipped scum. If there were any other bussers on Cat, I'd look at these six people first and foremost because I don't think scum would want to lose two teammates in a row, and thus wouldn't be on Marmot's wagon EoD2?

yea but if u just look at the eod poll and ignore the context i dont think the results will be fruitful

u should take into consideration that marmot was the only wagon on day 2

i forgot about day 1 but ithink there were multiple wagons

on day 2 marmot had 10 votes, a bunch of wagons had 3 votes and it wasnt even close

there wasnt competing wagons i think using VCA the way u are trying to use it wont be effective

also nook and dizzy werent even here for EoD so like

if theyre town they dont vote marmot thats an explanation (cuz they werent physically here for the flash wagon)

and as scum they're after afk still or choose not to

but again, yeah, idk if u can produce results from this

wait, hang on, are you giving benefit of the doubt for not being here EOD to dizzy/nanook but not to me or am I misunderstanding your point here?

wot? i am only telling hyena why i think his method is flawed

im not taking into account whether or not u were at EoD or not, that doesnt matter to me!

i dont care who was on the marmot wagon, everyone present voted there except me!

why are you town?

thats ur job to figure out buddy not mine mafia is hard work enough already im not picking up any extra shifts

so you're not town then, got it. Thanks! I appreciate the clarity.

[Long Con]

Does mafia have extra KP

Oh yeah, totally. What do you want to know about the ol' team?

[tutuu]

well @Long Con u dont need to follow my suggested guide so literally

i dunno, maybe ur the first one to figure out how to properly read me despite seeing my scum game?

so this method i suggested isnt needed for u. its like training wheels. and u dont need them!

[tutuu]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Nute, Made, Time, and Mac are the four people that were on both EoD scum wagons. I was already townreading all four of them, but I think this strengthens my townreads on all four of them (well, Mac is confirmed town now since he'd dead, but still!).

On the other hand, Nanook, Tutuu, Ted, Falcon, Dizzy, and Marmot were on the D1 wagon that yeeted a scum, but weren't on the D2 wagon. One of these people (Marmot) has flipped scum. If there were any other bussers on Cat, I'd look at these six people first and foremost because I don't think scum would want to lose two teammates in a row, and thus wouldn't be on Marmot's wagon EoD2?

yea but if u just look at the eod poll and ignore the context i dont think the results will be fruitful

u should take into consideration that marmot was the only wagon on day 2

i forgot about day 1 but ithink there were multiple wagons

on day 2 marmot had 10 votes, a bunch of wagons had 3 votes and it wasnt even close

there wasnt competing wagons i think using VCA the way u are trying to use it wont be effective

also nook and dizzy werent even here for EoD so like

if theyre town they dont vote marmot thats an explanation (cuz they werent physically here for the flash wagon)

and as scum they're after afk still or choose not to

but again, yeah, idk if u can produce results from this

wait, hang on, are you giving benefit of the doubt for not being here EOD to dizzy/nanook but not to me or am I misunderstanding your point here?

wot? i am only telling hyena why i think his method is flawed

im not taking into account whether or not u were at EoD or not, that doesnt matter to me!

i dont care who was on the marmot wagon, everyone present voted there except me!

why are you town?

thats ur job to figure out buddy not mine mafia is hard work enough already im not picking up any extra shifts

so you're not town then, got it. Thanks! I appreciate the clarity.

nope, i am town, and i did not say that i wasnt!

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

also rn I'm only half in thread, half on the other side of a bong

but Tim, how is town bad this game? we got 2 back to back baddie kills

Mac I credit for that...you on the other hand want to kill me for spite, and Nutella has gone on a tunnel rampage that is flatly hilarious given that she is one of two people in this game who has in fact seen me play this way before...as a town PR trying to live long enough to be useful.

Tutuu I think is pretty well open wolfing and getting town read for it, and then openly mocking people for town reading her for it. And most of the rest are apparently slanking and waiting for a mech solve to absolve them of responsibility. So, yeah, here we are...and if the wolves convince the town to chop a claimed vig...cherry on top.

you think tutuu is open-wolfing and shielded by town-reads but you're gonna shoot made, someone who is still kinda in the POE

ok

well yeah. if tutuu is open wolfing you chop them. then you shoot the guy who's death tunneling you b/c it either clears your slot if they're a wolf OR it makes everyone pushing on them look bad (and also trends towards a tim chop so probably if Tim IS town here he's got The Confidence which is the opposite of The Fear)

You don't understand if tutuu is openwolfing before is too late, this is a fact.

yeah and i'm like

kinda thinking she might be

tbh



....i go back and forth on it

ummm actually neither of u have seen me openwolf as wolf?

and i have never openwolfed as wolf here?

and this should clear you in some way how exactly?

[Long Con]

well @Long Con u dont need to follow my suggested guide so literally

i dunno, maybe ur the first one to figure out how to properly read me despite seeing my scum game?

so this method i suggested isnt needed for u. its like training wheels. and u dont need them!

Slick salesperson talk. I must deny its honesty.

[tutuu]

Spoiler: show

Mac I credit for that...you on the other hand want to kill me for spite, and Nutella has gone on a tunnel rampage that is flatly hilarious given that she is one of two people in this game who has in fact seen me play this way before...as a town PR trying to live long enough to be useful.

Tutuu I think is pretty well open wolfing and getting town read for it, and then openly mocking people for town reading her for it. And most of the rest are apparently slanking and waiting for a mech solve to absolve them of responsibility. So, yeah, here we are...and if the wolves convince the town to chop a claimed vig...cherry on top.

you think tutuu is open-wolfing and shielded by town-reads but you're gonna shoot made, someone who is still kinda in the POE

ok

well yeah. if tutuu is open wolfing you chop them. then you shoot the guy who's death tunneling you b/c it either clears your slot if they're a wolf OR it makes everyone pushing on them look bad (and also trends towards a tim chop so probably if Tim IS town here he's got The Confidence which is the opposite of The Fear)

You don't understand if tutuu is openwolfing before is too late, this is a fact.

yeah and i'm like

kinda thinking she might be

tbh



....i go back and forth on it

ummm actually neither of u have seen me openwolf as wolf?

and i have never openwolfed as wolf here?

and this should clear you in some way how exactly?

im not saying that it does? this is the second time ur misintepreting my posts

i dont think these two posts of mine u misinterpreted were that ambiguous!

[tutuu]

well @Long Con u dont need to follow my suggested guide so literally

i dunno, maybe ur the first one to figure out how to properly read me despite seeing my scum game?

so this method i suggested isnt needed for u. its like training wheels. and u dont need them!

Slick salesperson talk. I must deny its honesty.

im just in happy mood patpat

[nutella]

I've looked at length at Tutuu's ISO and her interactions with Marmot, her reads of him, and her reads of me.

I've felt like there's something there that I couldn't put into words, but after staring at walls of text for 30 minutes or so I determined that its possible that what I was trying to put into words was likely just paranoid WIFOM thinking.

I do think the interactions or statements in some posts were (arguably) rather bad though, but I can't really say its a conviction.

I haven't looked into her interactions with cat at all, but I trust others when they said those were bad as well and now considering that she has 2 bad interactions with different scum slots I'm not as willing to hard defend them.

I don't think she should be eliminated today, or at least I likely won't, but I think I should continue to consider the thought of a scum Tutuu in the future.

i'm thinking more and more that it's optimal to flip her sooner rather than later

im gonna do it im gonna do it [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

[tutuu]

I've looked at length at Tutuu's ISO and her interactions with Marmot, her reads of him, and her reads of me.

I've felt like there's something there that I couldn't put into words, but after staring at walls of text for 30 minutes or so I determined that its possible that what I was trying to put into words was likely just paranoid WIFOM thinking.

I do think the interactions or statements in some posts were (arguably) rather bad though, but I can't really say its a conviction.

I haven't looked into her interactions with cat at all, but I trust others when they said those were bad as well and now considering that she has 2 bad interactions with different scum slots I'm not as willing to hard defend them.

I don't think she should be eliminated today, or at least I likely won't, but I think I should continue to consider the thought of a scum Tutuu in the future.

i'm thinking more and more that it's optimal to flip her sooner rather than later

im gonna do it im gonna do it [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

dont do it dont do it nonononono

[nutella]

dya hasn't been on, kinda assume they're not even checking the site but maybe they'll appear tomorrow or something

I missed this too, but apparently dya is dead

you missed my first post of the day go read it

[hollowkatt]

here is how u guys can read me

when u think im scummy im town

when u think im towny im scum

at least so far this has been accurate for 100% of my scum games (sample size N=2) and id say about 80% of my town games after i randed scum for the first time (sample size N=5; i think 4 out of 5)

this is demonstrably true by past games

the evidence is right there in the data *slaps the paper*

*slap that paper good slap slap slap*

There's a car salesmen meme here somewhere but I'm too dumb to find it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

has hk been here all along

[TonyStarkPrime]

am I in the wrong game

[Made]

dya hasn't been on, kinda assume they're not even checking the site but maybe they'll appear tomorrow or something

I missed this too, but apparently dya is dead

you missed my first post of the day go read it

gotchu

[nutella]

I've looked at length at Tutuu's ISO and her interactions with Marmot, her reads of him, and her reads of me.

I've felt like there's something there that I couldn't put into words, but after staring at walls of text for 30 minutes or so I determined that its possible that what I was trying to put into words was likely just paranoid WIFOM thinking.

I do think the interactions or statements in some posts were (arguably) rather bad though, but I can't really say its a conviction.

I haven't looked into her interactions with cat at all, but I trust others when they said those were bad as well and now considering that she has 2 bad interactions with different scum slots I'm not as willing to hard defend them.

I don't think she should be eliminated today, or at least I likely won't, but I think I should continue to consider the thought of a scum Tutuu in the future.

i'm thinking more and more that it's optimal to flip her sooner rather than later

im gonna do it im gonna do it [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

dont do it dont do it nonononono

it'll be ok

[TonyStarkPrime]

oh I should have gotten the tetris role

[Made]

am I in the wrong game

yeah, ur game is two threads down

[TonyStarkPrime]

tsp stands for t spin perfector

[hollowkatt]

i think there's decently likely to be a busser tbh

the names i have the most hesitance of on the wagon are martin and radish

someone else could just be deepwolfing

but idk i like hyena's general view of things too and we prob just start by hunting outside the wagon regardless

I liked radish yesterday and I don't remember why. Might have been his reaction to being looped into the shitposting club against his will. martin I have zero opinions on.
Probably I should go and find opinions on lots of people.

Or I can stay in my tutuu tunnel where it's warm and dry.

[nutella]

here is how u guys can read me

when u think im scummy im town

when u think im towny im scum

at least so far this has been accurate for 100% of my scum games (sample size N=2) and id say about 80% of my town games after i randed scum for the first time (sample size N=5; i think 4 out of 5)

this is demonstrably true by past games

the evidence is right there in the data *slaps the paper*

*slap that paper good slap slap slap*

There's a car salesmen meme here somewhere but I'm too dumb to find it.

this goblet in front of me can fit so much wine in it

[nutella]

oh I should have gotten the tetris role

robbed

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok why is hk here

[tutuu]

here is how u guys can read me

when u think im scummy im town

when u think im towny im scum

at least so far this has been accurate for 100% of my scum games (sample size N=2) and id say about 80% of my town games after i randed scum for the first time (sample size N=5; i think 4 out of 5)

this is demonstrably true by past games

the evidence is right there in the data *slaps the paper*

*slap that paper good slap slap slap*

There's a car salesmen meme here somewhere but I'm too dumb to find it.

hahaha lmao LC also called me that this is my new job i am the new tim i am his protegee i learned all his dirty tricks

[TonyStarkPrime]

yep found it thank you no one talk about this

[Syn]

ok why is hk here

subbed in

[Syn]

do you think hk is undeserving of CHAMP STATUS

[MartinGG99]

Does mafia have extra KP

Oh yeah, totally. What do you want to know about the ol' team?

I want to know what justifies having a delayed n3 vig like Tim claimed to be

For night-kill purposes its like it has been mountainous-esque since n1

and ik my role, though it does not have KP, has been active since n1

so I'm wondering what the !@#$ is going on with the setup or is that delayed n3 vig claim just somehow bs to get another power off before being deleted

Dya was a "kill if deleted" role
Cat was a silencer/blackmailer role
Marmot was a "Tetris steal/manipulate abilities" role
Mac was a "tempoary masonizer thing" role

And w/ knowing my role, with all these things being capable of activity on n1

Just hearing a "delayed vigilante" of some sort sounds odd to me so far.

[MartinGG99]

Especially when we have not seen a kp-capable mafia role other than their factional kill

[Made]

I'm really starting to think this game will last us till 2023

[Syn]

a vig doesn't mean there has to be matching kill power on the wolf side

a vig has a pretty good chance of getting a town dead

also some vigs like claiming before they get a shot off so they can be roleblocked or nightkilled if they're town

[TonyStarkPrime]

well of course not he says it was delayed until n3

[Timsup2nothin]

So, considering there's been only 1 mafia KP per night (it would seem)

Why is there a delayed n3 vigilante? Does mafia have KP and its just super delayed or is their mafia team just really big?

Diverting thread into host theory conversation...

School one: Get a lot of extra KP in early to get the game down to a more comfortably manageable size for the players. Example: I just ran a 21 player game in which I had a goal of killing twelve players in the first four days, making it possible that day five would actually be LYLO if the town did terrible.

School two: Bring in extra KP after a couple days so the game doesn't go too long, but (almost) everyone has a chance to be in long enough to feel invested.

School three: Mountainous baby! Chop in the day, night kill by night, game drags on forever and tortures the end gamers as they deserve.

[MartinGG99]

a vig doesn't mean there has to be matching kill power on the wolf side

a vig has a pretty good chance of getting a town dead

also some vigs like claiming before they get a shot off so they can be roleblocked or nightkilled if they're town

Fair enough I suppose.

[tutuu]

So, considering there's been only 1 mafia KP per night (it would seem)

Why is there a delayed n3 vigilante? Does mafia have KP and its just super delayed or is their mafia team just really big?

Diverting thread into host theory conversation...

School one: Get a lot of extra KP in early to get the game down to a more comfortably manageable size for the players. Example: I just ran a 21 player game in which I had a goal of killing twelve players in the first four days, making it possible that day five would actually be LYLO if the town did terrible.

School two: Bring in extra KP after a couple days so the game doesn't go too long, but (almost) everyone has a chance to be in long enough to feel invested.

School three: Mountainous baby! Chop in the day, night kill by night, game drags on forever and tortures the end gamers as they deserve.

all big syndicate games ive played in were school three

[Syn]

a snapshot of tutuu when she realizes she's been caught

[Syn]

fun fact that bird is called a patoo

a patutuu

[hollowkatt]

i think there's decently likely to be a busser tbh

the names i have the most hesitance of on the wagon are martin and radish

someone else could just be deepwolfing

but idk i like hyena's general view of things too and we prob just start by hunting outside the wagon regardless

sheep hyena

Spoiler: show

that's funny if you picture a sheep running with a pack of hyena and just like owning it

[TonyStarkPrime]

a vig doesn't mean there has to be matching kill power on the wolf side

a vig has a pretty good chance of getting a town dead

also some vigs like claiming before they get a shot off so they can be roleblocked or nightkilled if they're town

Fair enough I suppose.

fair enough tell smh

[TonyStarkPrime]

So, considering there's been only 1 mafia KP per night (it would seem)

Why is there a delayed n3 vigilante? Does mafia have KP and its just super delayed or is their mafia team just really big?

Diverting thread into host theory conversation...

School one: Get a lot of extra KP in early to get the game down to a more comfortably manageable size for the players. Example: I just ran a 21 player game in which I had a goal of killing twelve players in the first four days, making it possible that day five would actually be LYLO if the town did terrible.

School two: Bring in extra KP after a couple days so the game doesn't go too long, but (almost) everyone has a chance to be in long enough to feel invested.

School three: Mountainous baby! Chop in the day, night kill by night, game drags on forever and tortures the end gamers as they deserve.

all big syndicate games ive played in were school three

nanook games always end right away

[tutuu]

lmaooooo

sorry to say but nobody can ever catch me when im scum and nobody can ever will

i happen to fall into the net as town, just how it is!!! i thin i got used to it now, i no longer gonna protest

[tutuu]

that was @ syn pic

[MartinGG99]

a vig doesn't mean there has to be matching kill power on the wolf side

a vig has a pretty good chance of getting a town dead

also some vigs like claiming before they get a shot off so they can be roleblocked or nightkilled if they're town

Fair enough I suppose.

fair enough tell smh

Fair enough.

[TonyStarkPrime]

poking the bear is wolfy

[tutuu]

fun fact that bird is called a patoo

a patutuu

lmaoooo

also also also btw

dont u think tim and hk are both scum?

i think they are

so wouldnt that make me town?

[tutuu]

poking the bear is wolfy

Fair enough.

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

Mac I credit for that...you on the other hand want to kill me for spite, and Nutella has gone on a tunnel rampage that is flatly hilarious given that she is one of two people in this game who has in fact seen me play this way before...as a town PR trying to live long enough to be useful.

Tutuu I think is pretty well open wolfing and getting town read for it, and then openly mocking people for town reading her for it. And most of the rest are apparently slanking and waiting for a mech solve to absolve them of responsibility. So, yeah, here we are...and if the wolves convince the town to chop a claimed vig...cherry on top.

I mean okay, I do want to spite dunk. Yes. but like, one good town does not a strong town make, nor does one incompetent make a weak town. Both marmot and Cat were chopped in fairly large wagons.

for me, right now, I think it's more likely that you're not bad than are. so i'll ask you take a step back and reeval. if all three people you're sussing--me, nutella, tutuu-- were bad, it would be stupid for all three of us to push you right now, especially since we'd know for sure you're town, and it'd be a mislynch.
Outside of the 3 of us, where are you looking?

I think I've been pretty open about having no reads this game, throughout. I was Mac's little sheep for two days, and now I'm a rabid dog with a gun. I answered your question about bad town. Bad town is not the same as wolf. Nutella and her piss poor read on me is still town, just bad town. You're on tilt if you are town...understandable since you are staring down the barrel of the gun. Tutuu I think is probably just a wolf.

Outside of that...looking? I'm barely even reading. I'm certainly not backreading. The back and forth between Ted and LC I skimmed looking for possible memes. LC's questioning of me seems benign so I have no immediate urge to shoot him. HK has said nothing about me that isn't true, but that's NAI...he's too smart to try to push for a chop on a claimed town vig as a wolf.

I see you in the corner ignoring me.

he ignored all my posts calling out his f-tier bullshit too

are you town?

stupid question

don't be a tim

yeah, you're town

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I think I've been pretty open about having no reads this game, throughout. I was Mac's little sheep for two days, and now I'm a rabid dog with a gun. I answered your question about bad town. Bad town is not the same as wolf. Nutella and her piss poor read on me is still town, just bad town. You're on tilt if you are town...understandable since you are staring down the barrel of the gun. Tutuu I think is probably just a wolf.

Outside of that...looking? I'm barely even reading. I'm certainly not backreading. The back and forth between Ted and LC I skimmed looking for possible memes. LC's questioning of me seems benign so I have no immediate urge to shoot him. HK has said nothing about me that isn't true, but that's NAI...he's too smart to try to push for a chop on a claimed town vig as a wolf.

I see you in the corner ignoring me.

he ignored all my posts calling out his f-tier bullshit too

I responded to the ones that were more than just whining.

die

[VOTE: tim] aubergine

I legit don't think he's a hit

you can die too

can I count on you to make that happen or do I have to do it myself?