Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[falcon45ca]

If I have Nut, Radish and Syn as hard town, does that sound reasonable? Anyone I should add?

The three of us in our own ways got Marmot yeeted so I agree.

JPIC is my top town and has been all game. Just a vibe thing, like I just feel the green oozing from him as he posts even when he's not like actively solving or anything. I'd turn on Syn or Nutella before JPIC tbh.

Michelle also pretty firmly town in my eyes and has been all game too.

(regarding the enlargard font) Huh. I have JPIC below Syn and Nutella (it's, like, Nutella > Syn > JPIC in order) -- he's, like, either at the bottom of my strong townreads, or at the top of my slight townreads.

I think I kinda like you having JPIC as your top town. It feels non-consensus-y.

I don't really trust Hyena, but I don't know them. What was Marmot's reaction to the claim business that I never understood anyway?

You can trust me. <3 I promise I don't bite.

Radish in the thread interacting but ignoring my questions...hmmm...

Well, he IS a Master, so he prolly thinks he's above you

Yo, can you stop fluffing for bit? Talk to me about game stuff. @falcon45ca

Since you asked, yes I can.

What would you like to know?

Top townread, top scumread, please. No need to explain anything right this second. <3

Top town: MR, Nutella, Michelle


Top Scum: hollowkat, tedxtr, tuutu


These are gut reads, I've got no evidence, just feels. It's been a tough game for me, I can't seem to get going

[Hyena]

Shouldn’t we chop Hyena as a UN read?

lol, what is an UN read?

That reminds me, did hyena say who they targeted N2 with the dead chat thingy?

Yeah. I gave Nutella a chat with Dya. Speaking of which, @nutella any word from Dya?

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Whoo, I think I'm caught up! \o/

[Made]

i'm clearing this bucket.

Why is Hyena Town? Why is 112 Town? Nanook? HK?

[Timsup2nothin]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Hyena
Nanook
HK
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated.

Why is TSP not in that bucket?

[Made]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Hyena
Nanook
HK
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated.

Why is TSP not in that bucket?

active scum not poe. These are all people I have reason to believe are scum. It's also why Tutuu isn't in this bucket

[Hyena]

Top town: MR, Nutella, Michelle


Top Scum: hollowkat, tedxtr, tuutu


These are gut reads, I've got no evidence, just feels. It's been a tough game for me, I can't seem to get going

I'm vibing with you on all those reads except for Hollowkat/Thunal. I concluded that Thunal (now HK) was spewed town by Cat D1. I haven't attempted to reeavaluate the slot since then though.

Do you have any read on JPIC or Syn by any chance?

[Timsup2nothin]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Hyena
Nanook
HK
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated.

Why is TSP not in that bucket?

active scum not poe. These are all people I have reason to believe are scum. It's also why Tutuu isn't in this bucket

I think you might have a clean miss here.

[Made]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Nanook
HK
Hyena
Syn
Tim

Bucket organized by level of scumminess.

[Hyena]

i'm clearing this bucket.

Why is Hyena Town? Why is 112 Town? Nanook? HK?

I'm town because Cat spewed me town and because I correctly scumread Marmot. <3

[Hyena]

ScumBucket:
MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Hyena
Nanook
HK
Syn
Tim


I'm feeling four baddies in this group, and then maybe with a deep wolf of Sloonei

Wait, were Syn and Tim actually in your scumbucket? o:

[Hyena]

ScumBucket:
MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Hyena
Nanook
HK
Syn
Tim


I'm feeling four baddies in this group, and then maybe with a deep wolf of Sloonei

Wait, were Syn and Tim actually in your scumbucket? o:

Also, if I'm scum with a deep wolf of Sloonei, then why does Sloonei come after me D1 instead of Cat?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Shouldn’t we chop Hyena as a UN read?

lol, what is an UN read?

That reminds me, did hyena say who they targeted N2 with the dead chat thingy?

Yeah. I gave Nutella a chat with Dya. Speaking of which, @nutella any word from Dya?

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Whoo, I think I'm caught up! \o/

Username.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Isn’t 112 literally always mafia anyway?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m probably gonna gather shit for some of these jokes but whatever.

[falcon45ca]

Top town: MR, Nutella, Michelle


Top Scum: hollowkat, tedxtr, tuutu


These are gut reads, I've got no evidence, just feels. It's been a tough game for me, I can't seem to get going

I'm vibing with you on all those reads except for Hollowkat/Thunal. I concluded that Thunal (now HK) was spewed town by Cat D1. I haven't attempted to reeavaluate the slot since then though.

Do you have any read on JPIC or Syn by any chance?

JPIC I find scummy, in a very subtle way. Deepwolf candidate for sure.


Syn is a town lean.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Timsup2nothin

Talk to me about the game state. Gimmie the cliffs. Etc.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Actually, a townread that’s online would be a better idea. @Michelle wheres your head at?

[Jackofhearts2005]

You guys are gonna piss me off by making me read.

[MartinGG99]

oh hey we're voting the person who I had my vote on for most of d2

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Getting cold feet

[MartinGG99]

on a more serious quick note btw

I'm not going to be very active in the upcoming week; or at least I'm not certain how active I'll be

I have a bunch of exams and a 10-hour extracurricular conference to attend and write about so I'll be quite busy with my 5 courses

[Kylemii]

I have reason to believe that falcon is town, I think, and tutuu is also probably town.

Like...a reason compelling enough I should switch? What’s your thoughts on the game at large, Kyle?

I think so. In my opinion at least. Will give my thoughts on game at large when I am no longer at work.

I have reason to believe that falcon is town, I think, and tutuu is also probably town.

How confident are you on your reason?

like 70%. I can explain later. It's unlikely that falcon is mafia.

[falcon45ca]

oh hey we're voting the person who I had my vote on for most of d2

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Getting cold feet

you just don't like me smh

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Getting cold feet

you just don't like me smh

Nothing personal

[MartinGG99]

Also, another random though,

Could Falcon be some sort of Jester role? That would be funny, lol

Seems unlikely to me. Dya had sorta that thing, and afaik Falcon technically was 3p in the last two big games here (Spider-verse, apparently? And shadow corridors I think).

Getting 3p again would be surprising.

[Made]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Hyena
Nanook
HK
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated.

Why is TSP not in that bucket?

active scum not poe. These are all people I have reason to believe are scum. It's also why Tutuu isn't in this bucket

I think you might have a clean miss here.

my misses are based on interactions and vote record between 112, hyena, nanook, and HK as well as Marmot and Cat.

Check this out:
Marmot starts vote on Nutella for most of day (probably clearing her)

nutella
4
Voters: Marmot, MacDougall, Syn, Jackofhearts2005

Then for the first recorded time Marmot finally switches his vote to Thunal33

Thunal33
3
Voters: dyachei, Sloonei, Marmot

but Marmot only switches his vote AFTER a wagon on 112 is established, and cat swings his vote to nutella from Made

112
4
Voters: Master Radishes, MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Long Con

nutella
3
Voters: cat, Syn, Jackofhearts2005

Master Radishes
5
Voters: tutuu, Thunal33, DrWilgy, Dyslexicon, nutella

Someone is getting saved here. I just know it. Cat and Marmot coordinated their votes to get these wagon going. Who are they saving?
Marmot's vote doesn't stay on Thunall long. When the cat wagon starts, Marmot is voting Syn--more evidence that Syn is probably just town.

I might add a few more people from this to my bucket

[MartinGG99]

I was gonna argue he wasn’t “lolcatting” but he did self vote and say peace out fuckers so it’s pretty pedantic atp.

I'm so confused, are the votes that count the posted votes or the poll votes?

Poll votes count. Its just really encouraged to post them when you make them if possible.

Self-votes aren't counted though.

[Made]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
112
Nanook
HK
Wilgy
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated with more humans, removed a few too.


I think MR and 112 always contains at least one wolf.

[Made]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
112
Nanook
HK
Wilgy
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated with more humans, removed a few too.


I think MR and 112 always contains at least one wolf.

(ebwop)

[MartinGG99]

Cat had a silencer role. Someone got muted.

Marmot had a Tetris role. I got a Tetris challenge N2 after Marmot died.

Scum have a universal backup it seems. No way they use that power on a teammate who's not even under much suspicion on N1.

Sloonei gets a pass until late game if he's still alive, then we can re-eval.

Oh neat, interesting to know.

[Made]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
112
Nanook
Wilgy
HK
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated with reasoning for removal
Hk/Thunal- this is who cat and marmot pushed when seemingly defending someone. I don't think this slot is bad for the same reason Nutella looks good here
falcon- playing consistent to meta, and Marmot left his vote on him for almost all of D2 with intention to push. Probably just town
Hyena- Sufficiently not involved enough in this situation for me to sus. Vote at time of podrace was on Made, i'm cool with that for now.
Syn- got voted by marmot during Cat wagon, voted Marmot first. probably just town.
Tim- spewed by marmot. this and other reasons, probably just town

[Made]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
112
Nanook
Wilgy
HK
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated with reasoning for removal
Hk/Thunal- this is who cat and marmot pushed when seemingly defending someone. I don't think this slot is bad for the same reason Nutella looks good here
falcon- playing consistent to meta, and Marmot left his vote on him for almost all of D2 with intention to push. Probably just town
Hyena- Sufficiently not involved enough in this situation for me to sus. Vote at time of podrace was on Made, i'm cool with that for now.
Syn- got voted by marmot during Cat wagon, voted Marmot first. probably just town.
Tim- spewed by marmot. this and other reasons, probably just town


(ebwop, quotes are hard)

[MartinGG99]

My working theory
- The Marmot wagon is completely clean. No scum at all. With no strong case against Marmot and the wagons going every which way, I bet scum felt that they could pull off an alternate yeet with enough work
- Tim and Martin were alternative yeets pushed by scum so that they wouldn't lose another teammate
- Nanook is scum, and LC and Michelle are town, correctly pushing Nanook as scum.
- Dizzy is scum, and 112 and Falcon are town, correctly pushing Dizzy as scum
- 112 is town, and maybe(?) one scum between Kyle and TSP? I'm least sure about this part.

This isn't quite accurate. I did not push Nanook as scum, I voted there simply to sheep nutella earlier. I assumed I would be changing my vote by the end of the day.... I pictured myself being there by the end of the day, but I forgot that the end time was earlier than I'm used to.

This post reminds me of LC in Bread game. He doesn't agree with a clear on himself, most likely speaking with an honest tone.
Analogy makes him a villager fmpov

@Hyena I don't think you should have a working theory that's basically a random solve of the game. I've been "pushing" Nanook though, but tbh it's based on total vague feelings and 80 % guesswork. Who pushed Tim and Martin as an alternative to Marmot then? Can you name names?

"I don't think you should have a working theory that's basically a random solve of the game."
Yes, I should. <3

"Can you name names?"
Nah, I can't.

fwiw I think its >rand town to do the "random solve".

I did in Shadow Corridors on D2/D3 a bit since I had the time for it, and I don't think scum easily comes up with this stuff unless they're in that game w/ me. (They weren't.)

[Timsup2nothin]

@Timsup2nothin

Talk to me about the game state. Gimmie the cliffs. Etc.

I am sort of coming and going and doing no back reading still so I'm a kinda bad source...

I am at Nutella, Sloonei, ummmm...

Tutuu...

Radish...maybe one more pretty solid towns for various reasons...it's recent in my ISO

[MartinGG99]

As for how accurate "random solving" is, I've figured probably not but it might be a good guide. I kinda forgot how well my last thing did.

[Made]

Hi Martin, I think we're mind melding. What are your reads on 112 and Master Radishes?

[MartinGG99]

Hi Martin, I think we're mind melding. What are your reads on 112 and Master Radishes?

mr town iirc

112 I had like a small town lean long ago but Idk either way tbh and I'm not really interested in pursuing them rn

[MartinGG99]

I kinda forgot why I town'ed MR but I know it was recent

[Timsup2nothin]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Hyena
Nanook
HK
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated.

Why is TSP not in that bucket?

active scum not poe. These are all people I have reason to believe are scum. It's also why Tutuu isn't in this bucket

I think you might have a clean miss here.

my misses are based on interactions and vote record between 112, hyena, nanook, and HK as well as Marmot and Cat.

Check this out:
Marmot starts vote on Nutella for most of day (probably clearing her)

nutella
4
Voters: Marmot, MacDougall, Syn, Jackofhearts2005

Then for the first recorded time Marmot finally switches his vote to Thunal33

Thunal33
3
Voters: dyachei, Sloonei, Marmot

but Marmot only switches his vote AFTER a wagon on 112 is established, and cat swings his vote to nutella from Made

112
4
Voters: Master Radishes, MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Long Con

nutella
3
Voters: cat, Syn, Jackofhearts2005

Master Radishes
5
Voters: tutuu, Thunal33, DrWilgy, Dyslexicon, nutella

Someone is getting saved here. I just know it. Cat and Marmot coordinated their votes to get these wagon going. Who are they saving?
Marmot's vote doesn't stay on Thunall long. When the cat wagon starts, Marmot is voting Syn--more evidence that Syn is probably just town.

I might add a few more people from this to my bucket

Might be stretching the narrative. Sure, 'saving' is possible, but it might just be trying to establish early on people they thought were likely day one (or at least early) chops. Syn always looks like a day one chop that could happen, and I've seen Nutella eat the day one chop as well. They are both likely places for me to vote early as a wolf just to see if maybe they take off and make me look good.

[Made]

Radish. I am not really all in that "how about a flash wagon" merits giving him credit for the Marmot pelt, but there was really no reason for a w!Radish to play the w/w game with me at that point in day two. That game for a wolf would be based on expecting me to flip town. w!Radish would know that I am in fact not a wolf, but player Radish knows I am extremely slippery and was most likely going to evade the chop. The play for w!Radish there is to just avoid involvement.

What does this mean?

[MartinGG99]

also p#8815 is a book and the largest wall that I've ever seen that isn't 80% quote spam

[Timsup2nothin]

Radish. I am not really all in that "how about a flash wagon" merits giving him credit for the Marmot pelt, but there was really no reason for a w!Radish to play the w/w game with me at that point in day two. That game for a wolf would be based on expecting me to flip town. w!Radish would know that I am in fact not a wolf, but player Radish knows I am extremely slippery and was most likely going to evade the chop. The play for w!Radish there is to just avoid involvement.

What does this mean?

It means Radish is probably just town here. He knows I am a bundle of wildly flailing sharp objects and as a wolf he'd have just stayed clear until I was either certainly certainly dead or unquestionably gonna pull out of it.

[MartinGG99]

I'll read it later when I have the motivation to do so but I'm noting it in my ISO so I pick it up easily later

[Made]

Spoiler: show

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Hyena
Nanook
HK
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated.

Why is TSP not in that bucket?

active scum not poe. These are all people I have reason to believe are scum. It's also why Tutuu isn't in this bucket

I think you might have a clean miss here.

my misses are based on interactions and vote record between 112, hyena, nanook, and HK as well as Marmot and Cat.

Check this out:
Marmot starts vote on Nutella for most of day (probably clearing her)

nutella
4
Voters: Marmot, MacDougall, Syn, Jackofhearts2005

Then for the first recorded time Marmot finally switches his vote to Thunal33

Thunal33
3
Voters: dyachei, Sloonei, Marmot

but Marmot only switches his vote AFTER a wagon on 112 is established, and cat swings his vote to nutella from Made

112
4
Voters: Master Radishes, MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Long Con

nutella
3
Voters: cat, Syn, Jackofhearts2005

Master Radishes
5
Voters: tutuu, Thunal33, DrWilgy, Dyslexicon, nutella

Someone is getting saved here. I just know it. Cat and Marmot coordinated their votes to get these wagon going. Who are they saving?
Marmot's vote doesn't stay on Thunall long. When the cat wagon starts, Marmot is voting Syn--more evidence that Syn is probably just town.

I might add a few more people from this to my bucket

Might be stretching the narrative. Sure, 'saving' is possible, but it might just be trying to establish early on people they thought were likely day one (or at least early) chops. Syn always looks like a day one chop that could happen, and I've seen Nutella eat the day one chop as well. They are both likely places for me to vote early as a wolf just to see if maybe they take off and make me look good.

it not a stretch, and thank you for making this point, cuz now I see why:

Marmot AND Cat at this point hadn't moved their vote all game. Cat stayed on me, Marmot stayed on Nutella. At this exact moment, both feel the need to change votes? Something's happening here. It's a save.

[nutella]

I have reason to believe that falcon is town, I think, and tutuu is also probably town.

Like...a reason compelling enough I should switch? What’s your thoughts on the game at large, Kyle?

I think so. In my opinion at least. Will give my thoughts on game at large when I am no longer at work.

I have reason to believe that falcon is town, I think, and tutuu is also probably town.

How confident are you on your reason?

like 70%. I can explain later. It's unlikely that falcon is mafia.

this better be good

[Michelle]

Actually, a townread that’s online would be a better idea. @Michelle wheres your head at?

Is night at me, i am here because i woke up a little but i can't post
If you want to talk to me probably in 8 hours i can think.

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Who should get off the phone?
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


112
0
No votes
Voters: None
Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
7%
Voters: Dyslexicon, Justplayingitcool
Dyslexicon
1
4%
Voters: Hyena
falcon45ca
8
29%
Voters: MartinGG99, Master Radishes, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tedxtr, nutella, tutuu, Jackofhearts2005, 112
Hyena
0
No votes
Voters: None
JackofHearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
JustPlayingitcool
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
1
4%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Made
0
No votes
Voters: None
MartinGG99
0
No votes
Voters: None
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
1
4%
Voters: Made
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
1
4%
Voters: DrWilgy
Syn
0
No votes
Voters: None
hollowkatt
2
7%
Voters: Sloonei, Kylemii
Timsup2nothin
1
4%
Voters: Syn
TonyStarkPrime
1
4%
Voters: Timsup2nothin
tedxtr
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
4
14%
Voters: Long Con, Michelle, hollowkatt, falcon45ca
No vote
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
Mac's Mom (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
6
21%
Voters: Marmot, MacDougall, c4e5g3d5, JaggedJimmyJay, Epignosis, juliets
Total votes: 28

vc i think it was 10 mins ago

[Made]

Radish. I am not really all in that "how about a flash wagon" merits giving him credit for the Marmot pelt, but there was really no reason for a w!Radish to play the w/w game with me at that point in day two. That game for a wolf would be based on expecting me to flip town. w!Radish would know that I am in fact not a wolf, but player Radish knows I am extremely slippery and was most likely going to evade the chop. The play for w!Radish there is to just avoid involvement.

What does this mean?

It means Radish is probably just town here. He knows I am a bundle of wildly flailing sharp objects and as a wolf he'd have just stayed clear until I was either certainly certainly dead or unquestionably gonna pull out of it.

You guys had a w/w type exchange? I'm not following what you're saying here. What happened?

[Made]

also p#8815 is a book and the largest wall that I've ever seen that isn't 80% quote spam

@ me next time

brb gonna go cry