Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Justplayingitcool]

Guys I have "exactly one of martin or nanook" written under town in my notes app so I think martin is lock clear

Do you remember why?

[Timsup2nothin]

Spell it to me like i am a baby

I just did. The wolves protected Tutuu from my shot...why would wolves protect Tutuu? Think about that.

anyone who read the thread would have thought that I was getting shot

You may have been...if there hadn't been an apparent town cop flip of the guy saying "shoot Tutuu!!!!" over and over and over. Maybe I am biased because it is the shot I made, but I honestly cannot see any way I shot anyone but Tutuu and showed my face ever again. From my POV if I am wrong that conversation goes "I shot <name of person that unfortunately flipped green>" "you had a dead cop red check on Tutuu, wtf were you thinking?" and I try to avoid those conversations.

[Sloonei]

should i just keep quoting the thing about 112 any time 112 gets a vote?

[tutuu]

Imma need someone to explain this to me in the world where 112 is mafia:

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

RE: the 112 wagon, this post from cat suggests to me that those two are not teammates. 112 is the forgotten “someone” that Dizzy was “snapping back at”. I think it is less likely that cat would have forgotten a teammate’s involvement in that exchange than a random non-teammate. If you want to say it was a smokescreen or “anti-spew”, then I’d respond by saying that that would be more meticulous than is expected if anyone.

i have read your posts sloone i and know that you're townreading 112 because cat used the words "i forgot who " when referencing 112 but i dont see myself townreading 112 due to this

[TonyStarkPrime]

Guys I have "exactly one of martin or nanook" written under town in my notes app so I think martin is lock clear

Do you remember why?

no

[Timsup2nothin]

I really hope Mac has this all figured out.

[Sloonei]

Imma need someone to explain this to me in the world where 112 is mafia:

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

RE: the 112 wagon, this post from cat suggests to me that those two are not teammates. 112 is the forgotten “someone” that Dizzy was “snapping back at”. I think it is less likely that cat would have forgotten a teammate’s involvement in that exchange than a random non-teammate. If you want to say it was a smokescreen or “anti-spew”, then I’d respond by saying that that would be more meticulous than is expected if anyone.

i have read your posts sloone i and know that you're townreading 112 because cat used the words "i forgot who " when referencing 112 but i dont see myself townreading 112 due to this

why not?

[tutuu]

if the game is something simple like martin + tsp + dizzy then it doesnt matter whether or not deeper wolves are pondered upon, we will win anyway

unless its literally that, i happen to have the tmi knowledge that therer is at least 1 wolf whos relatively deep (because i know im town) ((and i dont consider wilgy in the poe personally)) so it makes sense for me to push where some people might be townreading, when thinking about the long run (i want to try to call out the entire team)

[tutuu]

Imma need someone to explain this to me in the world where 112 is mafia:

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

RE: the 112 wagon, this post from cat suggests to me that those two are not teammates. 112 is the forgotten “someone” that Dizzy was “snapping back at”. I think it is less likely that cat would have forgotten a teammate’s involvement in that exchange than a random non-teammate. If you want to say it was a smokescreen or “anti-spew”, then I’d respond by saying that that would be more meticulous than is expected if anyone.

i have read your posts sloone i and know that you're townreading 112 because cat used the words "i forgot who " when referencing 112 but i dont see myself townreading 112 due to this

why not?

perhaps if cat was a brand new mafia player this would be believeable but cat doesnt look like a newbie player to me and it seems fakable, i dont think its that hard to fake it, its a big game with 27 players, day 1 was chaotic, cat probably doesnt nkow a lot of people on the syndicate, why not

[tutuu]

my scumread on 112 consists of her her wanting nook to get killed yesterday + calling out michelle for shading me today when im in a position of a widely scumread villager

[Kylemii]

I didn't target anyone because I thought it was stupid flavor gezzus I got rezzed because Nutella thought I had cop results?

jack i love u

[tutuu]

JackofHearts2005
tutuu
Syn
JustPlayingitcool
Made
Hyena
Master Radishes
Sloonei
Michelle
Timsup2nothin
DrWilgy
Kylemii
tedxtr
Long Con
hollowkatt
TonyStarkPrime
MartinGG99
Dyslexicon
112
Alison

[Made]

Why is dizzy universally scum read?

[tutuu]

that falcon flip is helpful i was gonna tunnel him unfortunately. idk how to read the guy

[tutuu]

Why is dizzy universally scum read?

process of elimination for me

[tutuu]

if my theory is right that mafia out of desperation started bussing (white flag gambit) then 112 and hollowkatt are w/w actually i remember yesterday 112 had some sizable attacks on hkat

so mental self-note to put him in red

[tutuu]

and probably should put in the effort and read radish leadership when suggesting we cfd marmot, im just taking his word for it but i need to see for myself, scum is / will / might have had bussed

(if radish is scum its not because he's being scummy fwiw, the reason for why some people are saying he's scum is wrong) (they're saying it because they're tunneled that im wolf and they think we're w/w) (like he could still be scum maybe but thats not the reason)

[Sloonei]

if my theory is right that mafia out of desperation started bussing (white flag gambit) then 112 and hollowkatt are w/w actually i remember yesterday 112 had some sizable attacks on hkat

so mental self-note to put him in red

When would they have adopted this plan?

[tutuu]

if my theory is right that mafia out of desperation started bussing (white flag gambit) then 112 and hollowkatt are w/w actually i remember yesterday 112 had some sizable attacks on hkat

so mental self-note to put him in red

When would they have adopted this plan?

after the marmot flip

i just thought about it. probably unnecessary for radish to bus

[tutuu]

the fact that im posting so much and giving off so much potential spew if im mafia should probably hint at the people who are tunneled on me that i am in fact a villager

[Made]

112 voted cat before mac made an argument against cat
at the time 112 was voting falcon
112 was asked why she voted cat, and she said she wanted her vote to be useful rather that voting someone she preferred (dizzy)
112 was the third vote on cat
when the wagon on cat picked up, 112 changed her vote to somewhere less useful
when 112 was wagoned day one, marmot and cat created alternate wagons (nutella & Thunnal)

112 is bad y'all wtf

@Sloonei, what's the counter argument here? sure 112 looks spewed by Cat, but 112's cat vote is still VERY weird

[tutuu]

JackofHearts2005
tutuu
Syn
JustPlayingitcool
Made
Hyena
Master Radishes
Sloonei
Michelle
Timsup2nothin
DrWilgy
Kylemii
tedxtr
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
MartinGG99
Dyslexicon
hollowkatt
112
Alison

here; i cant come up with anything better

i also think kylemii is 3p for no justifiable reason. but not a harmful 3p, like a neutral 3p

[Sloonei]

112 voted cat before mac made an argument against cat
at the time 112 was voting falcon
112 was asked why she voted cat, and she said she wanted her vote to be useful rather that voting someone she preferred (dizzy)
112 was the third vote on cat
when the wagon on cat picked up, 112 changed her vote to somewhere less useful
when 112 was wagoned day one, marmot and cat created alternate wagons (nutella & Thunnal)

112 is bad y'all wtf

@Sloonei, what's the counter argument here? sure 112 looks spewed by Cat, but 112's cat vote is still VERY weird

I have not read 112’s posts yet.

[tutuu]

made is also a super underrated player btw and u should all consider sheeping him

i have not seen a game with made in which he didnt have a killer good accuracy

i dont think he is considered one of the most elite players (for instance after bread mafia marmot only told him that he played fine and not amazing like i thought he performed) and im not sure if he even himself considers himself that way but in my eyes he is definitely in the top players who have played on the syndicate i have seen

[Made]

112 voted cat before mac made an argument against cat
at the time 112 was voting falcon
112 was asked why she voted cat, and she said she wanted her vote to be useful rather that voting someone she preferred (dizzy)
112 was the third vote on cat
when the wagon on cat picked up, 112 changed her vote to somewhere less useful
when 112 was wagoned day one, marmot and cat created alternate wagons (nutella & Thunnal)

112 is bad y'all wtf

@Sloonei, what's the counter argument here? sure 112 looks spewed by Cat, but 112's cat vote is still VERY weird

I have not read 112’s posts yet.

then why are you so sure 112's town?

[Made]

ScumBucket:
version 1.D3.0

MasterRadishes
112
Sloonei
LC
Tutuu
Nanook
HK
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

1.D3.0 Change Log
Removed nanook(he died lmao), Wilgy (he be vibin)
Added Tutuu, Sloonei, LC

Spoiler: show

1.D2.3 Bucket updated with reasoning for removal
Nanook- he died
Hk/Thunal- this is who cat and marmot pushed when seemingly defending someone. I don't think this slot is bad for the same reason Nutella looks good here
falcon- playing consistent to meta, and Marmot left his vote on him for almost all of D2 with intention to push. Probably just town
Hyena- Sufficiently not involved enough in this situation for me to sus. Vote at time of podrace was on Made, i'm cool with that for now.
Syn- got voted by marmot during Cat wagon, voted Marmot first. probably just town.
Tim- spewed by marmot. this and other reasons, probably just town

[Syn]

readlist change logs?

i'm here for it

[Made]

ScumBucket:
version 1.D3.0

MasterRadishes
112
Sloonei
LC
Tutuu
Nanook
Wilgy
HK
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

1.D3.0.1 Change Log
formatting fix
Removed nanook(he died lmao), Wilgy (he be vibin)
Added Tutuu, Sloonei, LC

Spoiler: show

1.D2.3 Bucket updated with reasoning for removal
Nanook- he died
Hk/Thunal- this is who cat and marmot pushed when seemingly defending someone. I don't think this slot is bad for the same reason Nutella looks good here
falcon- playing consistent to meta, and Marmot left his vote on him for almost all of D2 with intention to push. Probably just town
Hyena- Sufficiently not involved enough in this situation for me to sus. Vote at time of podrace was on Made, i'm cool with that for now.
Syn- got voted by marmot during Cat wagon, voted Marmot first. probably just town.
Tim- spewed by marmot. this and other reasons, probably just town

[Sloonei]

112 voted cat before mac made an argument against cat
at the time 112 was voting falcon
112 was asked why she voted cat, and she said she wanted her vote to be useful rather that voting someone she preferred (dizzy)
112 was the third vote on cat
when the wagon on cat picked up, 112 changed her vote to somewhere less useful
when 112 was wagoned day one, marmot and cat created alternate wagons (nutella & Thunnal)

112 is bad y'all wtf

@Sloonei, what's the counter argument here? sure 112 looks spewed by Cat, but 112's cat vote is still VERY weird

I have not read 112’s posts yet.

then why are you so sure 112's town?

Because I believe in the read I got from cat’s posts.

I am willing to reconsider this read. It is not set in stone. But the parts of the thread I have read point to a town 112.

[tutuu]

independently and in a vacuum i also find all of 112's posts towny

[Kylemii]

is it possible falcon just died randomly cus he ran out of spiders

[Made]

made is also a super underrated player btw and u should all consider sheeping him

i have not seen a game with made in which he didnt have a killer good accuracy

i dont think he is considered one of the most elite players (for instance after bread mafia marmot only told him that he played fine and not amazing like i thought he performed) and im not sure if he even himself considers himself that way but in my eyes he is definitely in the top players who have played on the syndicate i have seen

i am contractually in the pockets of all players who are nice to me

[tutuu]

is it possible falcon just died randomly cus he ran out of spiders

most likely yeah since the flip was delayed

[Sloonei]

is it possible falcon just died randomly cus he ran out of spiders

God I love this sentence.

[tutuu]

made is also a super underrated player btw and u should all consider sheeping him

i have not seen a game with made in which he didnt have a killer good accuracy

i dont think he is considered one of the most elite players (for instance after bread mafia marmot only told him that he played fine and not amazing like i thought he performed) and im not sure if he even himself considers himself that way but in my eyes he is definitely in the top players who have played on the syndicate i have seen

i am contractually in the pockets of all players who are nice to me

just so u know regardless of my alignment this is my honest opinion on u and i have said this before about u after bread mafia ended u can rest assured even if im mafia its not an influence

u do deserve to be rewarded for the good performances you're outputting in the mafia games, at least those i've experienced with u

hug

[Syn]

is it possible falcon just died randomly cus he ran out of spiders

ye

though that means falcon was either adding towncore to their band or wolves

latter would be lulzy, former would be "why"

[Kylemii]

my new method of mafia is to iso everyone at 2am without taking any notes, and then just try to remember all my conclusions the day after as best i can

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

So I'm going to be honest here

[MartinGG99]

I am quite frankly drained from the game for some reason in that aspect everyone should absolutely chop me despite being town

[MartinGG99]

but I've looked into some random iso's hoping to do something useful because quite frankly without my townreads I feel quite aimless for the past 48 hours or so

[Syn]

I am quite frankly drained from the game for some reason in that aspect everyone should absolutely chop me despite being town

blease look within yourself and embrace the champion

[MartinGG99]

I have this gut feeling that maybe Kylemii is being given too much credit or even being mafia

it also bothered me finding this in the marmot ISO but he never really brings it up again beyond this aside from his very minor interactions with Kylemii

I think that Kyle is Mafia; the way he's constantly talking about having to catch up is a way I've seen Mafia do, can't really argument it; it's just how I've seen it; I think there are other people who groan at having to catch up but they aren't following it so faithfully / they meme from time to time / they still give reads from time to time.

I think the way Kyle is approaching this is wolfy and he's constantly reminding us that he's trying to read every post (which I believe him that he is) but that's busywork IMO and he's mafia.

You're right, I don't recall Kyle doing this. I think he tends to post off-topic rather than complaining about catching up.

I'mma look him up in other big games as a townie player.

@tutuu I am in the middle of comparing Kyle to a couple past games. I need to do some other things, but I'll be back to finish later

okiii furball

[MartinGG99]

It also bothers me that the last few posts that Kyle has been here for a few minutes

[MartinGG99]

errr bit of time

[MartinGG99]

He hasn't even voted me even though there's 3 votes on me atm

[hollowkatt]

I don't think jailkeeping tim stops Hyena's power from affecting him.

I think that the JPIC theory that somehow a town player stopped me from shooting Tutuu is so silly that the whole "jailkeeper" conversation is just dumb.

No one with sense looked at Jack's flip and didn't say "huh, Jack's a cop, and Tim is gonna do what he says and shoot Tutuu."

I do not care how arrogant they are about their reads, no town player says "looks like Jack had a red check there, but my read says otherwise so I'm saving Tutuu."

If Tutuu is town no mafia player says "we better role block Tim cuz he's gonna shoot Tutuu."

Tutuu is just mafia and my shot got stopped to protect her.

End of story.

@Sloonei @Made @Michelle @Jackofhearts2005 @hollowkatt @Justplayingitcool


If JPIC keeps playing dumb and blowing smoke he's a wolf too.

ok

[MartinGG99]

Despite there being multiple instances of kyle voting me before

which makes me feel like he's disinterested in a non-towny way

[Kylemii]

huh?

[MartinGG99]

But I don't know kyle

and I don't have much more time to spend on this nor energy but I feel its important to point out because quite frankly I should be executed tbh