Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

honestly that's meaner than tim

Tony... Wtf...

I dont even mean trolling in a bad way? Like, ur posts towards tim. I thoughht theyre funny

Did u genuinely perceive me as mean?

I had nowhere near that intent...

I believe they call this a joke

Kinda wanna say that Tutuu is a wolf for feeling bad about nothing and Tim is town for being a jerk but I don't know if this is an actionable read

In a vacuum its a great read but in this context i dont think u can scumread me for being anxious about whether or not ppl love me i mean uve known me for more than half a year

[Justplayingitcool]

okay, now can someone explain where the sus on TSP came from? I was busy covering Sloonei with tinfoil when that went down

To spite syn tbh

[tutuu]

sorry mom you're already talking to him, i didn't mean to interrupt.

I like that u call me mom ^_^

Good boy!

[tutuu]

tim: wolves have created an anti-mech culture

*mech seems to show that tutuu is likely town*

tim:

who is promising you something

is it your wolf partners

I think this is a wolf who has given up on winning the game and is just trolling a villager who is wrong on his reads, for fun

It makes sense why ud give up as mafia in this position (3 town dead vs 3 scum dead, nutella might come back, 0 scum KP etc) and it makes sense why ud wanna at least scavenge some entertainment out of it

found it.

Ehhhhhhhhhh I see it, but why not Radishes where there's a red check on him?

1) Syn admits it himself its not a guaranteed red check

2) i think Radish is really towny off of day play + his reeactions + his reads

3) this game is a clusterfuck of ambiguous mech stuff, the syndicate is in general clusterfuck when it comes to mech, syn probably got confused because he is assuming something that would make sense in lets say mafia universe but that shouldnt be assumed in a syndicate game

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu

Didn’t you say radish had a scummy reaction initially?

What changed?

[Made]

hmm. Okay. I think Radishes is kinda sus for reasons I can't even remember right now tbh. I'mma keep my vote there for now, but take a step back on the reads and just float for a bit

[Justplayingitcool]

Good grief, 2am

I should sleep

[Made]

ScumBucket:
version 1.D3.0

MasterRadishes
Sloonei
Dizzy
LC
Tutuu
112
Nanook
Wilgy
HK
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

1.D3.2 Change Log
remove tutuu: probably green checked by some sort of kyle magic

Spoiler: show

1.D3.1 Change Log

removed 112: Meta doesn't read like previous scum game. Also voted cat, and then when it hit 9-10 vote changed vote away from cat like a madlad
added Dizzy: If 112 is town, then Dizzy looks sus for susing 112's cat vote EOD1

Spoiler: show

1.D3.0.1 Change Log
formatting fix
Removed nanook(he died lmao), Wilgy (he be vibin)
Added Tutuu, Sloonei, LC

Spoiler: show

1.D2.3 Bucket updated with reasoning for removal
Nanook- he died
Hk/Thunal- this is who cat and marmot pushed when seemingly defending someone. I don't think this slot is bad for the same reason Nutella looks good here
falcon- playing consistent to meta, and Marmot left his vote on him for almost all of D2 with intention to push. Probably just town
Hyena- Sufficiently not involved enough in this situation for me to sus. Vote at time of podrace was on Made, i'm cool with that for now.
Syn- got voted by marmot during Cat wagon, voted Marmot first. probably just town.
Tim- spewed by marmot. this and other reasons, probably just town

There's probably a way to clear LC, I just don't remember it, so he stays for now.

[Long Con]

I'm pretty town in several ways.

[Long Con]

Oh, if you like Kyle magic, that's one of the ways.

[tutuu]

@tutuu

Didn’t you say radish had a scummy reaction initially?

What changed?

Yea then i thought he was being towny

Like his new posts. The one where he brought up past games in which he as caught mafia stopped fighting. And i just slwely changed my mind in general

Sorry that i dont rly communicate whenever i get or drop or change reads, i think i could try to communicate it better but ive been like. Acting casually / not rly being serious u know but if i was serious i think i could mark my read changes vetter. Like sloonei u kno

[Made]

Oh, if you like Kyle magic, that's one of the ways.

Jog my memory?

[tutuu]

@Made long con is also cleared by none other than .... Kyle ... Lmfao

Kyle really is a man of many talents isnt he

In case u missed it, check my masterlist spaghetti post for more detail

[Made]

oh. dope!

[Long Con]

oh. dope!

My favourite is the Tetris townclear for me. Tetris night 1 with Marmot.

Also there was some Nanook interaction that looks good on me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

but tutuu you miss the part where your read literally only works if tim was blocked by a wolf and it's established that this didn't happen

[Made]

ScumBucket:
version 1.D3.2.1

MasterRadishes
Sloonei
Dizzy
LC
Tutuu
112
Nanook
Wilgy
HK
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

1.D3.2.1 Change Log
removed LC: Magic Kyle being Magical. (imo Tetris isn't enough to clear in of itself0
1.D3.2 Change Log
remove tutuu: probably green checked by some sort of kyle magic

Spoiler: show

1.D3.1 Change Log

removed 112: Meta doesn't read like previous scum game. Also voted cat, and then when it hit 9-10 vote changed vote away from cat like a madlad
added Dizzy: If 112 is town, then Dizzy looks sus for susing 112's cat vote EOD1

Spoiler: show

1.D3.0.1 Change Log
formatting fix
Removed nanook(he died lmao), Wilgy (he be vibin)
Added Tutuu, Sloonei, LC

Spoiler: show

1.D2.3 Bucket updated with reasoning for removal
Nanook- he died
Hk/Thunal- this is who cat and marmot pushed when seemingly defending someone. I don't think this slot is bad for the same reason Nutella looks good here
falcon- playing consistent to meta, and Marmot left his vote on him for almost all of D2 with intention to push. Probably just town
Hyena- Sufficiently not involved enough in this situation for me to sus. Vote at time of podrace was on Made, i'm cool with that for now.
Syn- got voted by marmot during Cat wagon, voted Marmot first. probably just town.
Tim- spewed by marmot. this and other reasons, probably just town

[TonyStarkPrime]

also at least two of the people voting for me are wolves that was insanely scummy

[Made]

also at least two of the people voting for me are wolves that was insanely scummy

it's probably Sloonei and Jpic if it is

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like okay of course I think that votes on me are scummy but there's a difference between votes on me normally and tutuu says "maybe tsp is a wolf" and boom four people come out of the woodwork to show their support

[TonyStarkPrime]

also at least two of the people voting for me are wolves that was insanely scummy

it's probably Sloonei and Jpic if it is

MR hard-town-read JPIC and sloonei... I dunno

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have to figure out the reason I have Martin denoted as town

[Sloonei]

I have to figure out the reason I have Martin denoted as town

because you're a wolf with tmi?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have to figure out the reason I have Martin denoted as town

because you're a wolf with tmi?

well i specifically have exactly one of nanook and martin town so i guess maybe but if i were a wolf I'd have known which sooner :P

[Justplayingitcool]

also at least two of the people voting for me are wolves that was insanely scummy

it's probably Sloonei and Jpic if it is

lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

no need to introduce that disjunction

[Made]

I don't get why folks are struggling for reads and just don't just message Epi for the role roster. Just ask him first and don't tell Dunya he gave them to you.

[Made]

also at least two of the people voting for me are wolves that was insanely scummy

it's probably Sloonei and Jpic if it is

lol

go to sleep

[Justplayingitcool]

I cant

I blame kyle for makng it spicy

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have to figure out the reason I have Martin denoted as town

because you're a wolf with tmi?

also outside of banter this is a scummy post from sloonei who's progression is

tutuu: tsp is a wolf for vague mechanical reasons that will be discredited in 15 minutes
sloonei: so you're saying tsp is a wolf
tutuu: yes
sloonei: good enough for me

[TonyStarkPrime]

*whose

[Sloonei]

I have to figure out the reason I have Martin denoted as town

because you're a wolf with tmi?

also outside of banter this is a scummy post from sloonei who's progression is

tutuu: tsp is a wolf for vague mechanical reasons that will be discredited in 15 minutes
sloonei: so you're saying tsp is a wolf
tutuu: yes
sloonei: good enough for me

i mean, yeah

[hollowkatt]

I have zero idea what I'm doing

[Syn]

my confidence on MR is dropping

what do I do

[Kylemii]

I cant

I blame kyle for makng it spicy

[Justplayingitcool]

my confidence on MR is dropping

what do I do

Drink beer

[Kylemii]

there is an alternate timeline where i decided to yeet tutuu instead that would just be so comedically bad

[Kylemii]

anyways back on track

[hollowkatt]

my confidence on MR is dropping

what do I do

Don't sheep me, that's step 1

[Kylemii]

i'm just pure dopamine and adrenaline rn i can't focus

[Kylemii]

mafia so far has had a silencer, vanilla goon, and a roleblock/power steal tetris thing, which are all pretty decent utility for any alignment, i think role and power claims are less relevant in that light, unless a power is purely 100% useless in the hands of wolves, or obscenely overpowered in those aforementioned wolfhands.

[TonyStarkPrime]

my confidence on MR is dropping

what do I do

full claim

[TonyStarkPrime]

unless you think that's a bad idea, you should be sharing what you know if you think you know something

[TonyStarkPrime]

If MR is a wolf I sorta think JPIC is more likely town than if MR is town

[TonyStarkPrime]

i mean besides for just the pure numbers game aspect

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm going to give 112 credence somewhat for being on nanook but probably exactly one of 112 or dizzy

[Syn]

my confidence on MR is dropping

what do I do

full claim

yeah maybe that's a good idea now

[TonyStarkPrime]

I almost called out nutella for not being around

[Kylemii]

Also, wasn't Kyle given ability thief by Alison? If I'm somehow wrong on this (which I strongly doubt, but it's Mafia), Kyle should ability-thief me, assuming that acts as a kind of roleblock. If not, it will still confirm my story D5, if it becomes necessary.

i just saw this; what?

[Syn]

ok sure

I'm a universal backup for the chop. I can use whoever gets chopped's ability the same night. One-time use, cannot holster an ability for later. The wolf abilities being used the night after a wolf has died is pure coincidence: they were the chops, so those were the abilities I got to use. I can't use NKs.

So N1 I used Cat's silence on Sloonei. Reason: For the hell of it. Post rationalization was that I wanted to see what people would do with a silenced Sloonei, who has been an ultra-quick nightkill in every game I've seen and a huge town presence. Would people try to angle it for a chop? (Some people did, but nothing that pinged me as especially scummy.) TBH, I don't think this was useful in any way from a town perspective. Nobody else would have been a better choice, I don't think, but I guess I just don't see the utility of a silence for town. Or maybe I don't grok the gambit side of it. Complete wash. And I think I may have inadvertently encouraged Sloonei to just kick back and chill from that point on, which is a net negative for town if he's also town.

N2 I used Marmot's Tetris challenge on Master Radishes. I do not like Tetris. I hate it. I softed giving Radishes the challenge during D3 when he was saying that the wolves challenged him. "That's not very cash tetris of you" You can ISO this!

Here is why I thought I caught Radishes.

I didn't play my Tetris side. I didn't care about wanting his ability, whatever it is. But I did town-read Radishes after the Marmot flash wagon, and of the people who could gain a roleblock, not be suspicious, and not wake up dead to a NK, Radishes was up there. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Nutella would be next, so I wasn't gonna challenge her. So I didn't play, meaning no matter how poorly Radishes did, he would win and get a roleblock for N3.

D3 ends and Jack gets chopped. He's a cop. I get his ability, I ask to make sure I know how it works, and I think to myself: Who can I cop-check that won't be the vig shot? Jack at the time flipped shouting that Tutuu had to go, so she was out. Made? Well, Tim really seemed interested in that, and I could see him being difficult, maybe. Well, hey, people are giving Nanook a hard time, so I'll pick him. Put that to bed. He dies. Okay, fine. What the hell is a Joe Pesci anyway?

Jack gets resurrected and he says he thought his ability was a delayed vig. I'm suspicious, but interested, because I targeted Nanook with his ability! But the host didn't say anything about anyone dying, so suss. Seems unlikely.

Then Radishes posts that he didn't get his block. He posts that he lost his match and now the wolves have his ability. A surprise to me, given that I never played, so even submitting a zero would've gotten him the win.

So pieces fall into place for me. Tutuu is still alive. I gave Radishes a block. Tim says his shot failed. And I remembered then that TSP claimed a kill ability that is dependent on picking the right person at night. And Nanook was a goon. Balance-wise, it makes sense that the target for a townie conditional kill would be someone that isn't essential to the wolves. Tie the goon, who can carry the kill but doesn't have any special powers, to this ability. The clouds part. The Simpsons theme starts to play. Lisa has figured it out. Radishes is a wolf who used his block on Tim to protect his teammate Tutuu, and TSP targeted Nanook and it was a hit. Through the power of coincidence, I've set up a one-two punch of guaranteed wolves.

Kylemii having stolen Tim's shot screws that whole thing up. My conclusion on Radish is dependent on the assumption that Tim was blocked; specifically, blocked by the block I gave Radishes. With Tim not blocked, I no longer have reason to think Radishes used it on him, and the rest kind of falls apart. I do think Radishes's response was... bad, and I do think Tutuu is scummy, but my confidence on this being mech-supported is shaky now. Radishes DID lie. That's objectively true. But townies lie all the time (fuck you tim). His response, to me, is scummy, but also understandable if Radishes is town, thinks I'm town and that we were vibing, and now suddenly I'm overly certain he's a catch.

So I don't know where to go from here. I mean, I might still be right, but not in a "lel just trust me, guys" way.