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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
A third general observation:
Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.
Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.
This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.
Agree/disagree?
Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.
Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.
This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.
Agree/disagree?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
We already had a wrong flip, Jack the Heartless Unchoppable.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:02 pm Another general observation:
As mentioned, this is a big and growing bigger game, and we are suffering from info overload. We are all (or close to all) coasting a bit on previous impressions, mech stuff, and real time interactions, rather than constantly iso-ing and re-iso-ing. This means we are prone to momentum, which can be a bad thing at this mid stage of the game, but at the moment it has carried us well and there is no need to disrupt that momentum by tinfoiling. That should only come past this round if we get the flip wrong.
Agree/disagree?
I agree with 112 though, if i can't have my top scum read chopped
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Agree. Also, I have no strong opinions either way on your other observations.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:10 pm A third general observation:
Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.
Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.
This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.
Agree/disagree?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
I'm gonna feel bad if I'm wrong. You're clearly not giving it your all and that's not NAI but it can lead to bad reads so maybe I'm making one of those.112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:07 pmI can link you to a recent MU turbo where I did.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:49 pm I've been doubting my 112 read, but,
I don't know that I've ever seen 112 adopt this attitude when town.
Regardless- I'm not going to be around enough to mount a proper defense, and I don't know what the case against me even is.
But I still expect more even from slanky villa 112. Sorry. That's annoying to hear if that's what you are, I know.

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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
As evidenced by me being the current chop, it does not seem that the town has any reasonable degree of control.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:10 pm A third general observation:
Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.
Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.
This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.
Agree/disagree?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
never changeMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:21 pmYou all know... i don't wanr to play like everyone expects so your take is without value.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:12 pm to summarize the michelle thing, think i've seen a post saying "why is tutuu a villager?" to a few people but afaict she hasn't actually made a point about it / case her at all?
it's wolfy to me because we all know how michelle pushes a read of hers. and the worse thing is that, if she genuinely thought tutuu was a wolf, then thread events say that tutuu was once a top wagon and then didn't gain any votes for a few days now.
don't really know if michelle's reaction after that would be to ask people why tutuu is town and not do anything other than that if she knows it's probable tutuu is a wolf (from her pov) that just escaped suspicion. would villager her let a wolf read of hers just avoid any form of suspicion, especially after they went from being top wagon in a dayphase to having no votes?
(again, i haven't actually taken the time to see the progression play out, but maybe this inspires something in someone)
But talks to me of a possible scum you.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Most town teams don't go 100% on their chops. Especially not in a big game with what are likely 6 or 7 scum.Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:11 pmWe already had a wrong flip, Jack the Heartless Unchoppable.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:02 pm Another general observation:
As mentioned, this is a big and growing bigger game, and we are suffering from info overload. We are all (or close to all) coasting a bit on previous impressions, mech stuff, and real time interactions, rather than constantly iso-ing and re-iso-ing. This means we are prone to momentum, which can be a bad thing at this mid stage of the game, but at the moment it has carried us well and there is no need to disrupt that momentum by tinfoiling. That should only come past this round if we get the flip wrong.
Agree/disagree?
I agree with 112 though, if i can't have my top scum read chopped
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Ehh, I'm confident my reads are good. I'm just not being loud about them.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:12 pmI'm gonna feel bad if I'm wrong. You're clearly not giving it your all and that's not NAI but it can lead to bad reads so maybe I'm making one of those.112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:07 pmI can link you to a recent MU turbo where I did.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:49 pm I've been doubting my 112 read, but,
I don't know that I've ever seen 112 adopt this attitude when town.
Regardless- I'm not going to be around enough to mount a proper defense, and I don't know what the case against me even is.
But I still expect more even from slanky villa 112. Sorry. That's annoying to hear if that's what you are, I know.![]()
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
112 if you're town, you're going to need to do something to show it.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Tell us then, as a legacy. If you're town, I know you to have sneaky good snipe reads, so I'll definitely give your opinion weight.112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:13 pmEhh, I'm confident my reads are good. I'm just not being loud about them.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:12 pmI'm gonna feel bad if I'm wrong. You're clearly not giving it your all and that's not NAI but it can lead to bad reads so maybe I'm making one of those.112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:07 pmI can link you to a recent MU turbo where I did.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:49 pm I've been doubting my 112 read, but,
I don't know that I've ever seen 112 adopt this attitude when town.
Regardless- I'm not going to be around enough to mount a proper defense, and I don't know what the case against me even is.
But I still expect more even from slanky villa 112. Sorry. That's annoying to hear if that's what you are, I know.![]()
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Too late, i already did change my play, i can proove it with few gamestedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:13 pmnever changeMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:21 pmYou all know... i don't wanr to play like everyone expects so your take is without value.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:12 pm to summarize the michelle thing, think i've seen a post saying "why is tutuu a villager?" to a few people but afaict she hasn't actually made a point about it / case her at all?
it's wolfy to me because we all know how michelle pushes a read of hers. and the worse thing is that, if she genuinely thought tutuu was a wolf, then thread events say that tutuu was once a top wagon and then didn't gain any votes for a few days now.
don't really know if michelle's reaction after that would be to ask people why tutuu is town and not do anything other than that if she knows it's probable tutuu is a wolf (from her pov) that just escaped suspicion. would villager her let a wolf read of hers just avoid any form of suspicion, especially after they went from being top wagon in a dayphase to having no votes?
(again, i haven't actually taken the time to see the progression play out, but maybe this inspires something in someone)
But talks to me of a possible scum you.
Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
two questionsTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:01 pm I think the wolves are running this game at this point, but it's still early and we got those early scores so I'm not gonna fight it. Town will take a couple punches in the mouth and then wake up.
1. how can you say this when you promised not to read anything and just peace out
2. why are you so defeated
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Before the wolves and sheeps chop you would you put them all in one post for me and ping me?112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:13 pmEhh, I'm confident my reads are good. I'm just not being loud about them.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:12 pmI'm gonna feel bad if I'm wrong. You're clearly not giving it your all and that's not NAI but it can lead to bad reads so maybe I'm making one of those.112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:07 pmI can link you to a recent MU turbo where I did.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:49 pm I've been doubting my 112 read, but,
I don't know that I've ever seen 112 adopt this attitude when town.
Regardless- I'm not going to be around enough to mount a proper defense, and I don't know what the case against me even is.
But I still expect more even from slanky villa 112. Sorry. That's annoying to hear if that's what you are, I know.![]()
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
my final post for today, dont count on my vote changing if its needed
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@112 @Alison @DrWilgy @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Jackofhearts2005 @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Made @Master Radishes @MartinGG99 @Michelle @Sloonei @Syn @tedxtr @hollowkatt @Timsup2nothin @TonyStarkPrime
Changelog from previous version:
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-elaborated more on Dizzy
-fixed detail about JPIC
-added stuff about Michelle
-added tutuu and kyle baseball
-added stuff about wilgy
-THERE IS A SCENARIO WHERE LONG CON IS MAFIA. MARMOT COULD HAVE LOST ON PURPOSE TO LC, AND THEN LC ROLEBLOCKS KYLE, AND THEN KYLE'S ROLE GET MESSED UP AS CLAIMED BY KYLE. SO WATCH OUT. LC IS NOT 100% CLEAR TOWN
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DEAD:
cat - yeeted d1 - post silencer. put in contact with jackofhearts during d2 by hyena's communicator role
dyachei - killed n1 - vengeful. attempted to be put in contact with (nutella?) during d3 by hyena's role, allegedly they were afk
marmot - yeeted d2 - tetris blockhead - long con claims to have played tetris on d2 so allegedly marmot visited LC n1; MR claims to have played tetris on d3 so allegedly a role that uses power of dead targeted MR during n3
mac - killed n2 - neighbourizer - targeted nutella at (some point?); nutella claims to have had BTSC with mac during d2 and n3; i think he was 1-shot. put in contact with timsup2nothing during d4 by hyena's role
falcon - killed n3 - negative utility umm vanilla town - presumably dead because ran out of spiders
nanook - killed n3 - mafia goon with no abilities. shot by kyle n3 using tim's vig shot
LIVING:
112 - claims to have targeted someone during n2; her action failed and she was vaguely told of that (relation to MR's redirector-esque claim)
Alison - claims 3p gambit demon. chooses a target at day, they converse during night and accept or reject, at the end of the following day the deal is sealed and on the following night target can use action.
d1 long con tracker effective as of n2
d2 kyle steal-power-for-1-night-of-person-u-voted effective as of n3 (so d4)
d3 falcon protective effective as of n4
she redirects all night actions and votes that were supposed to land on her to her target instead if they accept the deal. she has hard claimed all the power she can give and everything about her role
DrWilgy - claims that he has some target that he needs to protect at all cost, including (i think) getting roleblocked?
Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful. backs up that martin's claim is real, and that dizzy stopped the negative part of martins role, but the positive one succeeded (dizzy was alerted of this).
Hyena - a role that lets a dead person be in BTSC with living person. n1 - cat with jack (confirmed by jack). n2 - dyachei with (i forgot who, nutella?). n3 - mac with tim (confirmed by tim). tracked by long con during n3 and seen visiting tim and mac
JackofHearts2005 - some kind of cop that forces target to quote. holstered on all nights; thought his role is funny words
JustPlayingitcool - claims that there was some kind of benefit to the number of people on marmot's wagon reaching 8 or more. also claimed to have received something during n2 that he isnt sure whether or not its positive or negative
Kylemii - claimed that he needed to be silenced during d2 to power himself up. claimed that he knows falcon and long con are same alignment unless he was roleblocked or one of those is 3p. on d4 claims mech info that tutuu is town. also used alison's power steal to steal tim's shot on n3 and use it to shoot nanook. played baseball on day 3 and hit the ball
Long Con - claims to have played tetris on d2. soft cleared by kyle's mech info. n2 forgot to submit track and it was stolen by marmot anyway. n3 tracked hyena and saw him visiting mac and tim. there is a scenario where he is mafia so watch out
Made - claims some kind of baseball role
Master Radishes - claims a redirector-esque role. n1 - nanook to presumably no effect. n2 - 112 to some effect. n3 - hollowkatt to no effect according to hkat. has won a roleblock by syn's tetris, that is yet to be used i believe
MartinGG99 - claims a role that has both positive and negative utility. they go hand in hand . n1 falcon. n2 JPIC. n3 nutella. 1/2 of his action on nutella failed. dizzy can partially back it up
Michelle - something made her unable to receive votes during day 2 (it was not a host error)
nutella - was in neighbourhood with mac. was not attacked on n3 (im not sure if this was confirmed by her or by martin or dizzy or multiple people). swapped with jack by her own abiilty
Sloonei - silenced d2 by syn
Syn - backup of the yeet. n1 uset cat's silencer to silence sloonei. n2 used marmot's tetris to play vs MR, scored 0 on purpose. n3 used jack's role on i think nanook?
tedxtr - no info
hollowkatt - claims a passive role that has self-defensive properties and that can't be disrupted. MR claims to have disrupted his target on n3. hollowkatt claims that he received no notification.
Timsup2nothin - n3 vig. shot tutuu on n3. shot failed due to kyle sealing it
TonyStarkPrime - no info (i think)
tutuu - allegedly town by kyle's mech info claim. played baseball on day 2 and hit the ball
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@112 @Alison @DrWilgy @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Jackofhearts2005 @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Made @Master Radishes @MartinGG99 @Michelle @Sloonei @Syn @tedxtr @hollowkatt @Timsup2nothin @TonyStarkPrime
==MECH MASTER POST VERSION 3==
Changelog from previous version:
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-elaborated more on Dizzy
-fixed detail about JPIC
-added stuff about Michelle
-added tutuu and kyle baseball
-added stuff about wilgy
-THERE IS A SCENARIO WHERE LONG CON IS MAFIA. MARMOT COULD HAVE LOST ON PURPOSE TO LC, AND THEN LC ROLEBLOCKS KYLE, AND THEN KYLE'S ROLE GET MESSED UP AS CLAIMED BY KYLE. SO WATCH OUT. LC IS NOT 100% CLEAR TOWN
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DEAD:
cat - yeeted d1 - post silencer. put in contact with jackofhearts during d2 by hyena's communicator role
dyachei - killed n1 - vengeful. attempted to be put in contact with (nutella?) during d3 by hyena's role, allegedly they were afk
marmot - yeeted d2 - tetris blockhead - long con claims to have played tetris on d2 so allegedly marmot visited LC n1; MR claims to have played tetris on d3 so allegedly a role that uses power of dead targeted MR during n3
mac - killed n2 - neighbourizer - targeted nutella at (some point?); nutella claims to have had BTSC with mac during d2 and n3; i think he was 1-shot. put in contact with timsup2nothing during d4 by hyena's role
falcon - killed n3 - negative utility umm vanilla town - presumably dead because ran out of spiders
nanook - killed n3 - mafia goon with no abilities. shot by kyle n3 using tim's vig shot
LIVING:
112 - claims to have targeted someone during n2; her action failed and she was vaguely told of that (relation to MR's redirector-esque claim)
Alison - claims 3p gambit demon. chooses a target at day, they converse during night and accept or reject, at the end of the following day the deal is sealed and on the following night target can use action.
d1 long con tracker effective as of n2
d2 kyle steal-power-for-1-night-of-person-u-voted effective as of n3 (so d4)
d3 falcon protective effective as of n4
she redirects all night actions and votes that were supposed to land on her to her target instead if they accept the deal. she has hard claimed all the power she can give and everything about her role
DrWilgy - claims that he has some target that he needs to protect at all cost, including (i think) getting roleblocked?
Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful. backs up that martin's claim is real, and that dizzy stopped the negative part of martins role, but the positive one succeeded (dizzy was alerted of this).
Hyena - a role that lets a dead person be in BTSC with living person. n1 - cat with jack (confirmed by jack). n2 - dyachei with (i forgot who, nutella?). n3 - mac with tim (confirmed by tim). tracked by long con during n3 and seen visiting tim and mac
JackofHearts2005 - some kind of cop that forces target to quote. holstered on all nights; thought his role is funny words
JustPlayingitcool - claims that there was some kind of benefit to the number of people on marmot's wagon reaching 8 or more. also claimed to have received something during n2 that he isnt sure whether or not its positive or negative
Kylemii - claimed that he needed to be silenced during d2 to power himself up. claimed that he knows falcon and long con are same alignment unless he was roleblocked or one of those is 3p. on d4 claims mech info that tutuu is town. also used alison's power steal to steal tim's shot on n3 and use it to shoot nanook. played baseball on day 3 and hit the ball
Long Con - claims to have played tetris on d2. soft cleared by kyle's mech info. n2 forgot to submit track and it was stolen by marmot anyway. n3 tracked hyena and saw him visiting mac and tim. there is a scenario where he is mafia so watch out
Made - claims some kind of baseball role
Master Radishes - claims a redirector-esque role. n1 - nanook to presumably no effect. n2 - 112 to some effect. n3 - hollowkatt to no effect according to hkat. has won a roleblock by syn's tetris, that is yet to be used i believe
MartinGG99 - claims a role that has both positive and negative utility. they go hand in hand . n1 falcon. n2 JPIC. n3 nutella. 1/2 of his action on nutella failed. dizzy can partially back it up
Michelle - something made her unable to receive votes during day 2 (it was not a host error)
nutella - was in neighbourhood with mac. was not attacked on n3 (im not sure if this was confirmed by her or by martin or dizzy or multiple people). swapped with jack by her own abiilty
Sloonei - silenced d2 by syn
Syn - backup of the yeet. n1 uset cat's silencer to silence sloonei. n2 used marmot's tetris to play vs MR, scored 0 on purpose. n3 used jack's role on i think nanook?
tedxtr - no info
hollowkatt - claims a passive role that has self-defensive properties and that can't be disrupted. MR claims to have disrupted his target on n3. hollowkatt claims that he received no notification.
Timsup2nothin - n3 vig. shot tutuu on n3. shot failed due to kyle sealing it
TonyStarkPrime - no info (i think)
tutuu - allegedly town by kyle's mech info claim. played baseball on day 2 and hit the ball
Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
wait whatMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:04 pmThis is fine by me.tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:59 pmYea u shouldnt vote on the wagon we yeet
Are u gonna be around for eod?
If u wanna sheep, listen to either JPIC or Master Radish to tell u where to vote and steal power from @Master Radishes @Justplayingitcool
why wouldn't I be able to use the chop's ability if Kyle votes them?
is Alison's ability thief permanent? only works on whoever he votes for?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Who is giving their all in this game and is still alive?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:12 pmI'm gonna feel bad if I'm wrong. You're clearly not giving it your all and that's not NAI but it can lead to bad reads so maybe I'm making one of those.112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:07 pmI can link you to a recent MU turbo where I did.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:49 pm I've been doubting my 112 read, but,
I don't know that I've ever seen 112 adopt this attitude when town.
Regardless- I'm not going to be around enough to mount a proper defense, and I don't know what the case against me even is.
But I still expect more even from slanky villa 112. Sorry. That's annoying to hear if that's what you are, I know.![]()
Probably tutuu, but i doubt she is villager

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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Tbh just look at the names on my wagon-
Michelle, TonyStarkPrime, Made, tedxtr, Long Con, Dyslexicon, DrWilgy,
This probably contains nearly all--if not all--if the remaining wolves. They're very content with this user.
Michelle, TonyStarkPrime, Made, tedxtr, Long Con, Dyslexicon, DrWilgy,
This probably contains nearly all--if not all--if the remaining wolves. They're very content with this user.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
I agree, but there are edge cases:Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:10 pm A third general observation:
Of the parameters we can be sure of (the three scum, the dead town, a couple mech things) I do not see any Grand Wolf Agenda that people always fear exists. I see wolves who were individually working to slide by as best they could. Cat was just trying to fend off some early suss without implicating teammates. Marmot was being opportunistic in all his pushes rather than powerwolfing. Nanook was doing jack and showed no inclination to get more involved to start dictating events. Both those latter two are capable of being manipulative wolves and were not doing it. Their flipped powers were weak and were clearly not being used to further any specific agenda either.
Conversely, the dead townies were active, pushy, and correct. The wolves were being boxed out and were picking it off the Big Scary Towny Leaders as they saw them.
This suggests the wolf team that remains is not in control of this game. The town is.
Agree/disagree?
1. Sloonei is mafia
2. Kyle is 3P with weird incentives
3. Marmot was bussed by Syn
4. Multiball (

5. Nutella was some how scum
6. Tim is mafia vig and Tim is filtering Macs reads
Most of these are stupid/outlandish, so we’re prob fine. Stagnation is our biggest enemy rn 100%
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
yeet* not user
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
saw some talk about me being in that pool
just give me a vigi if you choose me yo
just give me a vigi if you choose me yo
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
bad wagon formation
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Sustutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:17 pm my final post for today, dont count on my vote changing if its needed
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@112 @Alison @DrWilgy @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Jackofhearts2005 @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Made @Master Radishes @MartinGG99 @Michelle @Sloonei @Syn @tedxtr @hollowkatt @Timsup2nothin @TonyStarkPrime
==MECH MASTER POST VERSION 3==
Changelog from previous version:
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-elaborated more on Dizzy
-fixed detail about JPIC
-added stuff about Michelle
-added tutuu and kyle baseball
-added stuff about wilgy
-THERE IS A SCENARIO WHERE LONG CON IS MAFIA. MARMOT COULD HAVE LOST ON PURPOSE TO LC, AND THEN LC ROLEBLOCKS KYLE, AND THEN KYLE'S ROLE GET MESSED UP AS CLAIMED BY KYLE. SO WATCH OUT. LC IS NOT 100% CLEAR TOWN
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DEAD:
cat - yeeted d1 - post silencer. put in contact with jackofhearts during d2 by hyena's communicator role
dyachei - killed n1 - vengeful. attempted to be put in contact with (nutella?) during d3 by hyena's role, allegedly they were afk
marmot - yeeted d2 - tetris blockhead - long con claims to have played tetris on d2 so allegedly marmot visited LC n1; MR claims to have played tetris on d3 so allegedly a role that uses power of dead targeted MR during n3
mac - killed n2 - neighbourizer - targeted nutella at (some point?); nutella claims to have had BTSC with mac during d2 and n3; i think he was 1-shot. put in contact with timsup2nothing during d4 by hyena's role
falcon - killed n3 - negative utility umm vanilla town - presumably dead because ran out of spiders
nanook - killed n3 - mafia goon with no abilities. shot by kyle n3 using tim's vig shot
LIVING:
112 - claims to have targeted someone during n2; her action failed and she was vaguely told of that (relation to MR's redirector-esque claim)
Alison - claims 3p gambit demon. chooses a target at day, they converse during night and accept or reject, at the end of the following day the deal is sealed and on the following night target can use action.
d1 long con tracker effective as of n2
d2 kyle steal-power-for-1-night-of-person-u-voted effective as of n3 (so d4)
d3 falcon protective effective as of n4
she redirects all night actions and votes that were supposed to land on her to her target instead if they accept the deal. she has hard claimed all the power she can give and everything about her role
DrWilgy - claims that he has some target that he needs to protect at all cost, including (i think) getting roleblocked?
Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful. backs up that martin's claim is real, and that dizzy stopped the negative part of martins role, but the positive one succeeded (dizzy was alerted of this).
Hyena - a role that lets a dead person be in BTSC with living person. n1 - cat with jack (confirmed by jack). n2 - dyachei with (i forgot who, nutella?). n3 - mac with tim (confirmed by tim). tracked by long con during n3 and seen visiting tim and mac
JackofHearts2005 - some kind of cop that forces target to quote. holstered on all nights; thought his role is funny words
JustPlayingitcool - claims that there was some kind of benefit to the number of people on marmot's wagon reaching 8 or more. also claimed to have received something during n2 that he isnt sure whether or not its positive or negative
Kylemii - claimed that he needed to be silenced during d2 to power himself up. claimed that he knows falcon and long con are same alignment unless he was roleblocked or one of those is 3p. on d4 claims mech info that tutuu is town. also used alison's power steal to steal tim's shot on n3 and use it to shoot nanook. played baseball on day 3 and hit the ball
Long Con - claims to have played tetris on d2. soft cleared by kyle's mech info. n2 forgot to submit track and it was stolen by marmot anyway. n3 tracked hyena and saw him visiting mac and tim. there is a scenario where he is mafia so watch out
Made - claims some kind of baseball role
Master Radishes - claims a redirector-esque role. n1 - nanook to presumably no effect. n2 - 112 to some effect. n3 - hollowkatt to no effect according to hkat. has won a roleblock by syn's tetris, that is yet to be used i believe
MartinGG99 - claims a role that has both positive and negative utility. they go hand in hand . n1 falcon. n2 JPIC. n3 nutella. 1/2 of his action on nutella failed. dizzy can partially back it up
Michelle - something made her unable to receive votes during day 2 (it was not a host error)
nutella - was in neighbourhood with mac. was not attacked on n3 (im not sure if this was confirmed by her or by martin or dizzy or multiple people). swapped with jack by her own abiilty
Sloonei - silenced d2 by syn
Syn - backup of the yeet. n1 uset cat's silencer to silence sloonei. n2 used marmot's tetris to play vs MR, scored 0 on purpose. n3 used jack's role on i think nanook?
tedxtr - no info
hollowkatt - claims a passive role that has self-defensive properties and that can't be disrupted. MR claims to have disrupted his target on n3. hollowkatt claims that he received no notification.
Timsup2nothin - n3 vig. shot tutuu on n3. shot failed due to kyle sealing it
TonyStarkPrime - no info (i think)
tutuu - allegedly town by kyle's mech info claim. played baseball on day 2 and hit the ball
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
made is the baseball? is there textual evidence?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
If I were a satisfied wolf, it would be somewhere on another town or a teammate... I would let all the foolish townsfolk yeet you. Not trying to force my own meta on you, I just don't think your statement here is a rock-solid way to find wolves.

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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
apparently it doesn't have a vigi
i can settle for a track or roleblock.
i can settle for a track or roleblock.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
he claimed it
i dont think hes claiming the actual balls
he claimed baseball related role and he believes we are playing baseball vs the mafia and something bad might happen with all these balls
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
hardclaiming... jester?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
you didn't even quote the entire wagon
but yeah can confirm my entire wolf team is all on you atm, what are you gonna do
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
there is missing info on the baseball ball on n3 -> day 4
if anyone roleblocked anyone on n3 it could be the baseballer role
hollowkatt was disrupted my radish n3
hollowkatt could be the baseball ball pitcher
if anyone roleblocked anyone on n3 it could be the baseballer role
hollowkatt was disrupted my radish n3
hollowkatt could be the baseball ball pitcher
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
regardless of 112's flip please kill hollowkatt tomorrow please
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
wait hang on, what is the mech on tutuu
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
@jack cop me pls so certain people can stop getting so hung up about everything
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
that league of legends quote was legendary, gonna start using it when someone makes silly posts
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
100% mech clear
Jack
Very likely mech clear but okay fine a tiny sliver of doubt could remain
Kyle
Long Con
tutuu
Just…super town
JPIC
Made
Syn
Mech stuff reflects well on them and have handled things in a townie way, but I guess we look here before the above groups?
Tim
Martin
Dizzy
Mostly think they’re okay on their own merits (solving etc) but I guess nothing stops them being a wolf
Michelle
Sloonei
Ted
The rest
TSP
Wilgy
Hollowkatt
112
Hyena
Let me know if I have any mech conclusions wrong.
Jack
Very likely mech clear but okay fine a tiny sliver of doubt could remain
Kyle
Long Con
tutuu
Just…super town
JPIC
Made
Syn
Mech stuff reflects well on them and have handled things in a townie way, but I guess we look here before the above groups?
Tim
Martin
Dizzy
Mostly think they’re okay on their own merits (solving etc) but I guess nothing stops them being a wolf
Michelle
Sloonei
Ted
The rest
TSP
Wilgy
Hollowkatt
112
Hyena
Let me know if I have any mech conclusions wrong.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Looks good, where's Radishes?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:26 pm 100% mech clear
Jack
Very likely mech clear but okay fine a tiny sliver of doubt could remain
Kyle
Long Con
tutuu
Just…super town
JPIC
Made
Syn
Mech stuff reflects well on them and have handled things in a townie way, but I guess we look here before the above groups?
Tim
Martin
Dizzy
Mostly think they’re okay on their own merits (solving etc) but I guess nothing stops them being a wolf
Michelle
Sloonei
Ted
The rest
TSP
Wilgy
Hollowkatt
112
Hyena
Let me know if I have any mech conclusions wrong.

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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 4]
Not to be pedantic, but in this specific situation, it had to be MORE than 8. Not an exact of 8.
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