Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Long Con]

I just made a note in my A World Asunder development to include an Indy with a "you alone win if..." condition. Savage!

[Sloonei]

Stupid babies need the most attention!

[Kylemii]

so spooky

can you imagine how fucked that would have been if 112 had been around for longer? all the unexplained vote blocks? i mean i'm sure we'd figure it out eventually but wow

[tutuu]

Stupid babies need the most attention!

lol

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah...well it has to be pointed out that from the time Nutella "took the lead" straight through to now there is no indication that the leaders and the rest of sheep town have even been in sniffing range of a wolf.

@tutuu

I said that...which is nothing but factually accurate...and you, Radishes, and JPIC all have acted like I stole your lunch money ever since. And no doubt Nutella is mad at me too. Which is fine...I can be the bad guy.

what does that have anything to do with "people are claiming wolf pets they havent earned"? i see literally 0 connection, can u elaborate more on that?

as for this specific thing - our town win con is to kill the people who are opposed to us. 112 wasn't a neutral 3p role, she was an evil role. she wins by herself and makes everyone else lose. killing her was part of our win con, we couldn't have won the game without killing 112. your protest for killing 112 is misplaced

if you didn't like the direction where the game is going i think the appropriate thing to do is share your reads and ask people to listen to you

i perceived you as indirectly antagonizing me, hence my reaction to your posts

apart from day 3 this game has been a sweep

perhaps another part of the reason why i reacted in such a way to you is because you're convinced i'm mafia, right? well imagine if im town for 1 second. from my pov you are also nowhere near in range of sniffing a wolf yourself. so from my pov you are mocking me for something you are guilty of yourself

if you wanna keep scumreading me - fine, im not going to lose sleep over that, we are still going to win pretty easily. but ... im not sure if i can hold back my reactions if u attack people's performance again? above all because its simply inaccurate to attack it fmpov

My 'protest' isn't about the killing of 112. Dangerous 3P dead, yay!!!

But...you realize I am sure that any wolves roaming around treated the 112 wagon as a victory, right? I mean, until the flip from a wolf POV 112 was most likely a town mischop. And the read that chop was based on was just factually wrong...the kind of case wolves cheerfully follow along with when the whole town is just (from the wolf POV) running hard in the wrong direction.

So, yeah, the whole "sheep me for the glory, oh, missed, well glory anyway sheep me again" thing...missed me with that.

And when I said so the defensiveness against the facts was pretty hilarious to me. And wolfy, but hilarious.

[Timsup2nothin]

oh shit 112 was actually dangerous

My thoughts exactly. That one word, "alone", in the role description... changes everything.

The only really interesting 3Ps are the ones who can just flat win the game.

Speaking of which...does this change anyone's perspective on Alison's claim that she can and will be happy to win with town?

[tutuu]

My 'protest' isn't about the killing of 112. Dangerous 3P dead, yay!!!

But...you realize I am sure that any wolves roaming around treated the 112 wagon as a victory, right? I mean, until the flip from a wolf POV 112 was most likely a town mischop. And the read that chop was based on was just factually wrong...the kind of case wolves cheerfully follow along with when the whole town is just (from the wolf POV) running hard in the wrong direction.

So, yeah, the whole "sheep me for the glory, oh, missed, well glory anyway sheep me again" thing...missed me with that.

And when I said so the defensiveness against the facts was pretty hilarious to me. And wolfy, but hilarious.

yes, from the wolves pov killing 112 was a victory

the case for why she was mafia and aligned with people ended up being wrong, sure

some people might have scumreead her for her posting independently, i think she dropped off and lost motivation to scumhunt compared to everyone else. but thats not the most relevant

i do believe that we could have used the fact that the wolves thought 112 was town as a tool to scumhunt, if the wolves didnt aleady all get mechanically outed, sure

"sheep me for the glory, oh, missed, well glory anyway sheep me again" - about this thing:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... tart=12550

this is the post where epi announces day 5 to begin.

tim, i just read every single post in between that post and your two posts.

Congrats to our town leaders on the spectacular chop result.

My vote in locked in.

See you later nerds.

She said "oh michelle too. my main poe is something like sloonei/michelle/hollowkatt/wilgy. been on and off on a couple others like ted"

So more or less in alignment with us. Hurray.

Yeah...well it has to be pointed out that from the time Nutella "took the lead" straight through to now there is no indication that the leaders and the rest of sheep town have even been in sniffing range of a wolf.

these 2 posts of yours

in between epi's posts and your two posts, not a single person did anything remotely close to "sheep me for the glory, oh, missed, well glory anyway sheep me again"

people celebrated 112's flip and were making some silly and fun post, long con shared nutella's reads which were shared respectfully, martin outed his ted peek, thats about it

@Timsup2nothin please quote me the post that sounds like "sheep me for the glory, oh, missed, well glory anyway sheep me again" that was made during day 5, and before you made those 2 posts of yours. if you can show me it i will concede the argument. can you please quote it to me

She said "oh michelle too. my main poe is something like sloonei/michelle/hollowkatt/wilgy. been on and off on a couple others like ted"

in fact look at nutella's reads. she suspected sloonei before jack revealed the peek. i also see tedxtr's name. seems to me like she respectfully provided a reasonable PoE that included 5 names, 2 of which wolves.

[tutuu]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p734806

this is the post where epi announces d5 start, wrong link

[tutuu]

Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful. backs up that martin's claim is real, and that dizzy stopped the negative part of martins role, but the positive one succeeded (dizzy was alerted of this).

^^ don't see how this really works with Martin's results

as for this, dizzy appears to be my juliets' role from radiohead mafia - he seems to choose a target and protect from all negative utility except night kills (if the role is copy pasted)

martin is a jailkeeper, so it makes sense why they sort of found each other when they both landed on nutella n3 and they both received feedback (i woudlnt give them feedback thats rly townsided. but the entire game appears to be rly townsided so that's not even the biggest balancing issue)

[Jackofhearts2005]

I just made a note in my A World Asunder development to include an Indy with a "you alone win if..." condition. Savage!

Yeh survivors are boring.

Even 3P that can share a win with the town should usually want to knock out specific townies or have a power that hinders the town at the very least.

[Timsup2nothin]

Tutuu, I walked in planning to make that post. I expected a little bit of poutiness at the reminder. I really didn't expect Radishes, and you, and JPIC to react like I was stealing from you and flip out. If you are all town it's fine, but it's wolfy in my opinion.

[Long Con]

oh shit 112 was actually dangerous

My thoughts exactly. That one word, "alone", in the role description... changes everything.

The only really interesting 3Ps are the ones who can just flat win the game.

Speaking of which...does this change anyone's perspective on Alison's claim that she can and will be happy to win with town?

It's more likely, to me, that Epi would put in one deadly Indy and one independent one, that two deadly ones. I think Alison is no threat to any faction.

[Jackofhearts2005]

She said "oh michelle too. my main poe is something like sloonei/michelle/hollowkatt/wilgy. been on and off on a couple others like ted"

Tell her I said hi!

[Long Con]

*than

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why are Tim and Tutuu fighting? Don’t fight.

[tutuu]

i think that if alison wins by herself and makes everyone lose that can be uncomfortable from a design pov

they seem to have very similar conditions: 112 needs to have ppl hypnotized + herself > rest

alison needs people whom accepted her deal > those who dont, and i think living people 8 or less?

so, there is a situation where 112 and alison both achieve their win conditions at the exact same time

in that case, and if alison also wins by herself and makes everyone else lose - how do u resolve that? it seems annoying

alison winning with everyone makes more sense. although from 112's wording it would still imply alison has to lose, but that seems more like a design role PM writing wrinkle imprefection, i would bet that alison could still win with 112 assuming im correct here

[Long Con]

She said "oh michelle too. my main poe is something like sloonei/michelle/hollowkatt/wilgy. been on and off on a couple others like ted"

Tell her I said hi!

I did tell her, even as I also laughingly commented that she's still reading the thread.

My time is not well-spent delivering messages from here to nutella.

[tutuu]

if we yeet sloonei before we yeet ted we are forfeiting the credibility of any n5 results

once again, because ted will gain the ability to be a self-targetting bus driver

any track results from long con on n5 cant be trusted

any roleblock result from MR cant be trusted

jailkeep result from martin cant be trusted

etc

yeeting ted before sloonei reduces the mechanical complexity of the game. we only have 1 more wolf to find. yeeting ted first will make our lives easier.

[tutuu]

and jack's cop above all

[Jackofhearts2005]

i think that if alison wins by herself and makes everyone lose that can be uncomfortable from a design pov

they seem to have very similar conditions: 112 needs to have ppl hypnotized + herself > rest

alison needs people whom accepted her deal > those who dont, and i think living people 8 or less?

so, there is a situation where 112 and alison both achieve their win conditions at the exact same time

in that case, and if alison also wins by herself and makes everyone else lose - how do u resolve that? it seems annoying

alison winning with everyone makes more sense. although from 112's wording it would still imply alison has to lose, but that seems more like a design role PM writing wrinkle imprefection, i would bet that alison could still win with 112 assuming im correct here

Protip: don’t give me this much credit if I’m hosting.

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: ted] aubergine

[Kylemii]

tutuu's right

[TonyStarkPrime]

oh shit 112 was actually dangerous

My thoughts exactly. That one word, "alone", in the role description... changes everything.

The only really interesting 3Ps are the ones who can just flat win the game.

Speaking of which...does this change anyone's perspective on Alison's claim that she can and will be happy to win with town?

Makes me more likely to believe it

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can I get an update on the state of mechanics

[TonyStarkPrime]

From a brief read it appears that the state of mechanics is GOOD

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wolves wouldn’t it be nice if Jack were dead right now

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wolves wouldn’t it be nice if Jack were dead right now

Constant thought I’m sure.

[Kylemii]

Can I get an update on the state of mechanics

long story short sloonei and ted are confirmed wolves sloonei slightly more than ted

[Kylemii]

also made is immortal and i have a nuke

[Long Con]

I can vote ted. What's his role again? Some sort of busdrive? [VOTE: ted] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

I really want to do this galaxy brain play but I think it's maybe a little too galaxy brain

[Long Con]

I really want to do this galaxy brain play but I think it's maybe a little too galaxy brain

Champs game bro

[Long Con]

also made is immortal and i have a nuke

Wait did you define this nuke?

[TonyStarkPrime]

it just flat doesn't work right.

[TonyStarkPrime]

sloonei better kill kyle can steal ted's power

[TonyStarkPrime]

i mean or vice versa but whatevs

[Kylemii]

sloonei better kill kyle can steal ted's power

i can't steal ted's demon power just his normal boring power

[Long Con]

sloonei better kill kyle can steal ted's power

[TonyStarkPrime]

oh oh well

[Kylemii]

I really want to do this galaxy brain play but I think it's maybe a little too galaxy brain

no such thing as too galaxy brain

[TonyStarkPrime]

I really want to do this galaxy brain play but I think it's maybe a little too galaxy brain

no such thing as too galaxy brain

go read the end of ziggy stardust mafia

[TonyStarkPrime]

ziggy stardust mafia: the game where I developed a foolproof 100% win plan and then deviated from it myself and then confused everyone so much that they killed me

[Kylemii]

also made is immortal and i have a nuke

Wait did you define this nuke?

joke; i was gonna like go into a whole thing like "epi sent me 20lbs of uranium in a suitcase and stole my drivers license and cell phone" but like for real i'm all out of mana

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[Kylemii]

once i completed my tasks dunya mailed me a paper bag filled with stop watches all counting down from 144 hours and a note that just says "run"

[Michelle]

Caught up, but i will go to work.
If Jack moves his vote from Sloonei I will follow him.
Until the end of this day @Jackofhearts2005 has my vote, please @ me if/when you switch

[Sloonei]

[Justplayingitcool]

This must be how Tom Brady feels when he loses a superbowl

[Master Radishes]

What's up.

[Master Radishes]

Wait so we've got two of 'em?