Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

#13201

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:41 am When does Alison leave the game btw?

when the people that she bargained with achieve parity with other living players

#13202

What does everyone make of Ted's claim? I don't think he's lying, but I think kyle needs to clarify further

#13203

How about we go for full Town win?

Yeet Alison. Yeet Ted. Yeet Sloonei. Still have enough townies left to find the remaining scum.

#13204

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:45 am What does everyone make of Ted's claim? I don't think he's lying, but I think kyle needs to clarify further

TBD.

Spoiler: show

#13205

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:19 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:15 pm someone who understands what kyle is saying: is there exactly one mafia between Ted, Tutuu, and LC?
he spelled it out come on

n1 falcon n2 lc n3 tutuu n4 ted

he gets a "ding ding ding" bell the moment he successfully visits at least 1 town and at least 1 mafia

he got a ding ding ding bell on n4, and did not got it earlier

getting roleblocked and targetting 3p make his target nullified for the purpose of ding ding ding bell

so make the conclusion

Wouldn't this just make Ted mafia?

Do we know Kyle was roleblocked on any point? If he was roleblocked N1, that changes a lot.

Who did Martin Jail again?

Mech mech

#13206

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:49 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:19 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:15 pm someone who understands what kyle is saying: is there exactly one mafia between Ted, Tutuu, and LC?
he spelled it out come on

n1 falcon n2 lc n3 tutuu n4 ted

he gets a "ding ding ding" bell the moment he successfully visits at least 1 town and at least 1 mafia

he got a ding ding ding bell on n4, and did not got it earlier

getting roleblocked and targetting 3p make his target nullified for the purpose of ding ding ding bell

so make the conclusion
Wouldn't this just make Ted mafia?

Do we know Kyle was roleblocked on any point? If he was roleblocked N1, that changes a lot.

Who did Martin Jail again?

Mech mech

Tht was Martin's claimed actions:

n1 Falcon (For role-block)
n2 JPIC (For role-block as I was suspecting him at the time)
n3 Nutella (For protection; I'm guessing what "failed" is my role-block give the Dizzy claim)
n4 Tedxtr (Obviously, for role-block)

#13207

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:25 pm So I think its time for me to full claim now.

What I do is that I protect someone from death, but also role-block them. I can't do one or the other, I must do both unless I fail to do so. Apparently I'm from the Pyre game, with my role name being "Jodariel".

n1 Falcon (For role-block)
n2 JPIC (For role-block as I was suspecting him at the time)
n3 Nutella (For protection; I'm guessing what "failed" is my role-block give the Dizzy claim)
n4 Tedxtr (Obviously, for role-block)

Now unless someone got reasonably saved by Dizzy (which is still possible) or someone else

It's also plausible that I role-blocked the mafia carrying the kill. Or tedxtr got attacked but then thats ??? imo.

Anyways, I role-blocked him mostly because his mech info didn't show up on that wonderful mech master list by @tutuu.

#13208

Honestly, I can't think of a more plausible reason for no kill than 'Ted carried it'.

#13209

ok, yeah, I did think kyle claimed he gets a ding if he hits one town and mafia.

meh, ted could be mafia still. Two different mech sources aren't a great look.

#13210

I have several questions/remarks:

1. We know Kyle didn't successfully target Falcon, cause Martin jailkept Falcon. No town confirmed targeted.

2. How the hell does the "ding ding ding" make any sense for Kyle to get if he targeted 3p on N4? Would this not mean that one of Ted and Kyle is lying?

I don't see why Ted would lie about being 3p tbh. Definitely not as town. Maybe as mafia, but I don't really think it's a good way to get out of trouble as mafia? Maybe, but uhhh

#13211

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:53 am Honestly, I can't think of a more plausible reason for no kill than 'Ted carried it'.

i'm back

and reading, how does it work? already listed scenarios. you played in radiohead too.

either way, it would be fitting if sloonei was the rebel flagship.

#13212

Wait wait wait. Martin also jailkept Ted. So why did Kyle get a ding ding on N4 at all? This makes no sense.

#13213

Honestly, maybe Kyle is just lying. I have never understood how his role really works.

I'm actually inclined to believe Ted's claim. Maybe I'm dumb.

But if Martin jailed Kyle's N1 and N4 target, why would Kyle get a ding ding on N4?

There might be more mech to this, but from what we know now, this doesn't make sense.

#13214

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:56 am Wait wait wait. Martin also jailkept Ted. So why did Kyle get a ding ding on N4 at all? This makes no sense.

wait, that's right. he couldn't have "checked" me

#13215

kyle claimed he checked me last night, right?

(sorry, i am not following much, been having classes since morning)

#13216

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:56 am Wait wait wait. Martin also jailkept Ted. So why did Kyle get a ding ding on N4 at all? This makes no sense.

The jailkeep only blocks kills and the target from doing anything. So kyle can still perform their actions.

#13217

Oh yes, this is all true. Hmm.

#13218

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:59 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:56 am Wait wait wait. Martin also jailkept Ted. So why did Kyle get a ding ding on N4 at all? This makes no sense.
The jailkeep only blocks kills and the target from doing anything. So kyle can still perform their actions.

wat, that's not how jailkeeper works though?

#13219

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:45 am How about we go for full Town win?

Yeet Alison. Yeet Ted. Yeet Sloonei. Still have enough townies left to find the remaining scum.

Yes, yes. And even if scum complains that game is town sided, it's only so if town gets a good start. If we don't, we literally don't have time to yeet all threats. I think yeeting 112 was super good for us, cause that seemed like some cult bullshit that could snowball quickly.

#13220

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:59 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:59 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:56 am Wait wait wait. Martin also jailkept Ted. So why did Kyle get a ding ding on N4 at all? This makes no sense.
The jailkeep only blocks kills and the target from doing anything. So kyle can still perform their actions.
wat, that's not how jailkeeper works though?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

" Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target."

#13221

ergo, it's still possible for kyle to perform their action.

#13222

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:59 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:59 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:56 am Wait wait wait. Martin also jailkept Ted. So why did Kyle get a ding ding on N4 at all? This makes no sense.
The jailkeep only blocks kills and the target from doing anything. So kyle can still perform their actions.
wat, that's not how jailkeeper works though?

Oh. It's not how jailkeepers works in my mind either. But actually, in my last game, it did work like that. You couldn't be jailkept from investigative actions. It's how they use it on MU, I think. I'm used to it being a full jail though.

#13223

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:01 am ergo, it's still possible for kyle to perform their action.

I see.

But still, if Ted is trying to claim 3p as mafia, that's a bit lol =p

#13224

If Ted is 3p, is Kyle lying?

#13225

@Kylemii more disclosure please.

#13226

ohhh wait actually we had a debate on this... it was in the radiohead game?

jpic may be right. in that case... another scenario is that kyle is just the rebel flagship but is a 3p. and once martin revealed his thing and there wasn't a kill, he pushed forward.

#13227

"SYNDICATE HAS NO STANDARD RULES ON ROLES"
-tutuu

#13228

If Kyle is lying, then that means tutuu is mafia

#13229

Four indies in a game?

Um.

#13230

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:04 am "SYNDICATE HAS NO STANDARD RULES ON ROLES"
-tutuu

Don't I know it. >_>

#13231

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:04 am Four indies in a game?

Um.

why not, my wincon helps town.

#13232

does kyle's thing do a ding or whatever if he gets a 3p in the mix too?

#13233

So to recap, Kyle parity-copped:

N1 - falcon (town)
N2 - Long Con
N3 - tutuu
N4 - tedxtr

He was definitely not roleblocked on N3 due to the vig shot.

And he got pinged after N4 that there is now a mafia and town in his pool.

#13234

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:04 am Four indies in a game?

Um.

Cindy Kate crazy. Also, that means town will HAVE to get the game to D10 to even yeet all non-town. Lol. What is that.

It could be that Sloonei and Ted are both mafia. That would be easy.
Or Sloonei is mafia, Ted is 3p, and I don't know what's going on with Kyle.

#13235

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:05 am does kyle's thing do a ding or whatever if he gets a 3p in the mix too?

No, he gets no notification about 3P.

#13236

Yeah, if kyle is lying then he's 3p at worse. Mafia vigging mafia is a new form of met

#13237

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:06 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:05 am does kyle's thing do a ding or whatever if he gets a 3p in the mix too?
No, he gets no notification about 3P.

you mean he just gets a same result then?

#13238

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:06 am So to recap, Kyle parity-copped:

N1 - falcon (town)
N2 - Long Con
N3 - tutuu
N4 - tedxtr

He was definitely not roleblocked on N3 due to the vig shot.

And he got pinged after N4 that there is now a mafia and town in his pool.

This is a weird role in the first place. The likelihood of this just ending up like a normal cop is through the roof. You'll likely check town on N1 and then when you hit scum, dingding.

But weird roles is a Cindy Kate special I guess.

Anyway, I have to go to work now.

#13239

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:06 am So to recap, Kyle parity-copped:

N1 - falcon (town)
N2 - Long Con
N3 - tutuu
N4 - tedxtr

He was definitely not roleblocked on N3 due to the vig shot.

And he got pinged after N4 that there is now a mafia and town in his pool.

So if he doesn't get pined after N3, that can only mean:

*all are town
*he was roleblocked N2 and LC could be Mafia
*one of LC/Tutuu is 3P (lol)
*both LC and tutuu are Mafia

I think?

#13240

i mean, didn't kyle claim a powerful role since d1? i see no reason for why he wouldn't be roleblocked.

#13241

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:08 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:06 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:05 am does kyle's thing do a ding or whatever if he gets a 3p in the mix too?
No, he gets no notification about 3P.
you mean he just gets a same result then?

He gets no notification at all until he as at least one town and one mafia in his targets. He only got that ping after N4, and falcon flipped town, so one of you/LC/tutuu has to be mafia.

#13242

yeah, you guys just figure it all out, i have chemistry now

will be back to sort this hell out

#13243

I've got to teach an online lesson now, so I'll also come back later.

#13244

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:09 am He gets no notification at all until he as at least one town and one mafia in his targets. He only got that ping after N4, and falcon flipped town, so one of you/LC/tutuu has to be mafia.

And if it's not Ted, then it's either LC or both LC/tutuu.

...I think.

#13245

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:46 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:45 am What does everyone make of Ted's claim? I don't think he's lying, but I think kyle needs to clarify further
TBD.

Spoiler: show
I think he's lying.

+1

(work break catching up)

#13246

But if kyle only got the notification now, that would point to ted mafia?

Possible he got roleblocked N2 and N3, which doesn't say anything about tutuu or LC's alignment, and I think kyle said he can't make the distinction if he's been roleblocked either.

#13247

oh wait, kyle wasn't roleblocked n3 because of the vig

#13248

I think what makes the most sense is this:

Kyle is the other 3p counter to Ted's role. His ding ding is for when he finds Ted's role, not for mafia/town. He claims that it's for mafia/town in order to get Ted yeeted and complete his wincon.

I think this cause Kyle's role seems stacked for being a town role.
And I don't think Ted is lying about being 3p, cause I don't think that would benefit him as mafia in the end anyway.

I think I want to yeet Sloonei anyway. And then Ted could target Kyle with the strongman, confirming this. And if Kyle is not 3p, then Ted is scum.

Something like that? Not sure if the last part is the best actions to take, but Kyle being 3p here makes sense.

#13249

Wait. But does Falcon "fall out of the ding ding pool" once he dies? And he died... N3? I am confusion about this.

I want to hear from Kyle.

#13250

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:17 am I think what makes the most sense is this:

Kyle is the other 3p counter to Ted's role. His ding ding is for when he finds Ted's role, not for mafia/town. He claims that it's for mafia/town in order to get Ted yeeted and complete his wincon.

I think this cause Kyle's role seems stacked for being a town role.
And I don't think Ted is lying about being 3p, cause I don't think that would benefit him as mafia in the end anyway.

I think I want to yeet Sloonei anyway. And then Ted could target Kyle with the strongman, confirming this. And if Kyle is not 3p, then Ted is scum.

Something like that? Not sure if the last part is the best actions to take, but Kyle being 3p here makes sense.

For me looks odd the insistence from tutuu to go for Ted before Sloonei, and I can wait to see Ted playing especially because Sloonei is lolcatting

I don't trust Ted ftr, but I do not want his lynch today

Call your shot...