Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Sloonei]

sorry I find none of this SPF stuff and issue and I'm fucking bored of it

why?

[falcon45ca]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

100%.

[Esooa]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

w
v

why

[falcon45ca]

Does Sloonei tunnel SPF this hard if he's Maf?

I don't think Sloonei is tunnelling.

Perhaps I'm phrasing it wrong. He's def not leaving his SPF read alone or moving on to other reads/pushes.

Got something else you want me to talk about?
Also, what are your thoughts on staypositivefriend and my read on her?

I think your take on SPF has merit, and I think she's more likely Maf than Town.


I think if YOU were Maf, and she town, you'd be more likely to move on to other reads/pushes. So you've earned a town read from me at this point.

Neat. I appreciate your clear and concise stances.

Got any other names you want us to talk about? We've had a pretty narrow focus so far.

Mac's list of town reads w/ no explanation. How does that sit with you?

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei I think your points make sense and I like them

I wanna ask about something else now though which is, I'd rather move on from this at this point (which maybe is a bit selfish because I understand your point and don't need to talk about it more while others might) though, because I think it'd be better in the case spf is town to not push it for the next 28 hours we have, and still useful if she's mafia anyway

This is me saying I think SPF could be mafia but I also want to find her town, and if you wanna do the same our way to do that right now is drop the push until tonight imo

I understand your point, and before anyone tries to spin this as a case for you and spf to be mafia teammates: that would be silly. Wolves don't stick up for each other this overtly on Day 1, especially when my spf case is not really taking off.

SPF is a fantastic player, one of the best civilians I've ever played with. It would be a shame to mischop her on Day 1. I would urge patience in anyone who suspects her and I intend to exercise my own. But that does not mean I'm going to hold off on pursuing my read of her.

[c4e5g3d5]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

w
v

why

Opportunistic agenda'd little shit
A form of TWTBAW, already getting lots of flak for fucking around and decides to fuck around even more

[KZA]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

ChopChop can just be Mafia too

Dom pinged me as good off their entrance so I guess that's still where I'm at

[Dom]

sorry I find none of this SPF stuff and issue and I'm fucking bored of it

Fantastic! What do you propose?

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

I don't know what this means though lol

[Sloonei]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

I could see this. @BoKnows please feel free to tell us what your thoughts are on anything at all in this game right now.

[Dom]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

w
v

why

Opportunistic agenda'd little shit
A form of TWTBAW, already getting lots of flak for fucking around and decides to fuck around even more

So your "Dom parrots me" thing just didn't hold water and now we're gonna go with this? k.

[Esooa]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

ChopChop can just be Mafia too

Dom pinged me as good off their entrance so I guess that's still where I'm at

I still think Dom made a post so scummy I don't think I can drop it until at least day 2

at least in my mind though I'll probably stop bringing it up soon lol

[Sloonei]

Mac's list of town reads w/ no explanation. How does that sit with you?

I do not think that Mac has put serious effort into this game so far.

[KZA]

sorry I find none of this SPF stuff and issue and I'm fucking bored of it

why?

I really just feel like you're picking at something very minor and it was annoying to read page after page of SPF answering the same questions

sorry I find none of this SPF stuff and issue and I'm fucking bored of it

Fantastic! What do you propose?

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

I don't know what this means though lol

Just ISO him, it won't take long

[c4e5g3d5]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

w
v

why

Opportunistic agenda'd little shit
A form of TWTBAW, already getting lots of flak for fucking around and decides to fuck around even more

So your "Dom parrots me" thing just didn't hold water and now we're gonna go with this? k.

Oh dw that wasn't an actual attack that was just you being hilarious. The attack has been this since page 13.

[KZA]

Falcon is big town

[Esooa]

@Sloonei

Question for you.

spf brought Alison up to you as someone you should suspect. She had two posts at the time.

C4 lays into Alison the second she shows up again.

What's up with that?

this is the EXACT BEAT FOR BEAT kind of post a wolf egging on a town to push town makes

He brings up two things with tenuous at best connections, ignores the context of them, and doesn't draw his own conclusions, but gives leading questions for someone else to make these conclusions for him

C4 pushing Alison wasn't based on a case he made, agreed with, or any such thing, it was based on Alisons interactions with him. Spf mentioning Alison doesn't really matter and she just wanted to talk about some of the posts Alison made

The only possible wolfy connection here is that these two are teamed and both decided to push Alison pre-game for ??? reasons

Which makes no sense and doesn't fit with the fact C4's push was reactive, not something he came out with himself

[Esooa]

@Sloonei

Question for you.

spf brought Alison up to you as someone you should suspect. She had two posts at the time.

C4 lays into Alison the second she shows up again.

What's up with that?

this is the EXACT BEAT FOR BEAT kind of post a wolf egging on a town to push town makes

He brings up two things with tenuous at best connections, ignores the context of them, and doesn't draw his own conclusions, but gives leading questions for someone else to make these conclusions for him

C4 pushing Alison wasn't based on a case he made, agreed with, or any such thing, it was based on Alisons interactions with him. Spf mentioning Alison doesn't really matter and she just wanted to talk about some of the posts Alison made

The only possible wolfy connection here is that these two are teamed and both decided to push Alison pre-game for ??? reasons

Which makes no sense and doesn't fit with the fact C4's push was reactive, not something he came out with himself

I'll consider it more with the possibility of SPF being mafia, but as of right now if both SPF and C4 are town I would day vig Dom for this post without hesitation

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

Question for you.

spf brought Alison up to you as someone you should suspect. She had two posts at the time.

C4 lays into Alison the second she shows up again.

What's up with that?

this is the EXACT BEAT FOR BEAT kind of post a wolf egging on a town to push town makes

He brings up two things with tenuous at best connections, ignores the context of them, and doesn't draw his own conclusions, but gives leading questions for someone else to make these conclusions for him

C4 pushing Alison wasn't based on a case he made, agreed with, or any such thing, it was based on Alisons interactions with him. Spf mentioning Alison doesn't really matter and she just wanted to talk about some of the posts Alison made

The only possible wolfy connection here is that these two are teamed and both decided to push Alison pre-game for ??? reasons

Which makes no sense and doesn't fit with the fact C4's push was reactive, not something he came out with himself

I'm not the type to be egged on by a post like this and I think Dom knows me well enough to know that.

[Esooa]

I feel like Dom has been pushing a lot of people for reasons I haven't really liked, and that post was just such a stretch I'm very hard pressed to believe he isn't fishing for pushes

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wait. I read that as "If spf WEREN'T civ." So I think the opposite of Dom on that hot take.

So you think that if SPF were Maf, players would be more likely to jump on Dom's vote?


I'm not sure I see that.


I agree with Dom, if she were Town, Maf would be likely to jump onto the wagon. It's still early tho, they may be biding their time. Wagons are very balanced right now

That’s my tendency cause tmi.

But I didn’t see the context of Dom’s vote or who was around at the time.

[Jackofhearts2005]

c4e5g3d5 Needs a nickname. I’m never gonna remember that.

[Sloonei]

c4e5g3d5 Needs a nickname. I’m never gonna remember that.

Foresight

[Sloonei]

@staypositivefriend when you can, could you give me a list of reads you're comfortable with? Town or scum, whatever you got.

[Esooa]

c4e5g3d5 Needs a nickname. I’m never gonna remember that.

Foresight

I still like seymor more

[Sloonei]

c4e5g3d5 Needs a nickname. I’m never gonna remember that.

Foresight

I still like seymor more

5G Skinner

[Dom]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

w
v

why

Opportunistic agenda'd little shit
A form of TWTBAW, already getting lots of flak for fucking around and decides to fuck around even more

So your "Dom parrots me" thing just didn't hold water and now we're gonna go with this? k.

Oh dw that wasn't an actual attack that was just you being hilarious. The attack has been this since page 13.

Right right the one where you say I caught up with the thread and had suspects and that makes me bad while you caught up with the game and had a suspect.

@Sloonei

Question for you.

spf brought Alison up to you as someone you should suspect. She had two posts at the time.

C4 lays into Alison the second she shows up again.

What's up with that?

this is the EXACT BEAT FOR BEAT kind of post a wolf egging on a town to push town makes

He brings up two things with tenuous at best connections, ignores the context of them, and doesn't draw his own conclusions, but gives leading questions for someone else to make these conclusions for him

C4 pushing Alison wasn't based on a case he made, agreed with, or any such thing, it was based on Alisons interactions with him. Spf mentioning Alison doesn't really matter and she just wanted to talk about some of the posts Alison made

The only possible wolfy connection here is that these two are teamed and both decided to push Alison pre-game for ??? reasons

Which makes no sense and doesn't fit with the fact C4's push was reactive, not something he came out with himself

It was an idea that I asked someone their thoughts on. I agree it is unlikely to be anything of note.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Imma call him Heehokun.

[Sloonei]

By the end of this game I want us to be using a nickname for c4 that is unrecognizable as having anything to do with his actual name.

[Dom]

I feel like Dom has been pushing a lot of people for reasons I haven't really liked, and that post was just such a stretch I'm very hard pressed to believe he isn't fishing for pushes

You haven't liked my reasons because you-- in your words-- don't want the person you're dating to be bad. Am I mistaken about that?

[Jackofhearts2005]

By the end of this game I want us to be using a nickname for c4 that is unrecognizable as having anything to do with his actual name.

I 100% support this idea.

[c4e5g3d5]

By the end of this game I want us to be using a nickname for c4 that is unrecognizable as having anything to do with his actual name.

As if you haven't gotten there already?

[Esooa]

I feel like Dom has been pushing a lot of people for reasons I haven't really liked, and that post was just such a stretch I'm very hard pressed to believe he isn't fishing for pushes

You haven't liked my reasons because you-- in your words-- don't want the person you're dating to be bad. Am I mistaken about that?

I recognized the merit of slooneis post perfectly well I'm pretty sure

[Sloonei]

By the end of this game I want us to be using a nickname for c4 that is unrecognizable as having anything to do with his actual name.

As if you haven't gotten there already?

There’s still a couple of semi-reasonable steps between Foresight/Seymore and “c4”.

Like, if ai jump from “foresight” to “Clairvoyant Craig” then we’re starting to get absurd with it. Then we’ve got some room to grow from there.

[Dom]

I feel like Dom has been pushing a lot of people for reasons I haven't really liked, and that post was just such a stretch I'm very hard pressed to believe he isn't fishing for pushes

You haven't liked my reasons because you-- in your words-- don't want the person you're dating to be bad. Am I mistaken about that?

I recognized the merit of slooneis post perfectly well I'm pretty sure

...and I agree with Sloonei, but take it one step further that I don't like her responses to pressure on this issue. I found her stated objective and her behavior to be incongruous.

[staypositivefriend]

i'm about to enter a work meeting, but i'm gonna spend exactly one or two lengthy posts addressing sloonei's concerns when i'm done, and then go back to scumhunting

[Esooa]

I feel like Dom has been pushing a lot of people for reasons I haven't really liked, and that post was just such a stretch I'm very hard pressed to believe he isn't fishing for pushes

You haven't liked my reasons because you-- in your words-- don't want the person you're dating to be bad. Am I mistaken about that?

I recognized the merit of slooneis post perfectly well I'm pretty sure

...and I agree with Sloonei, but take it one step further that I don't like her responses to pressure on this issue. I found her stated objective and her behavior to be incongruous.

The reasons you've given for pushing her have been bad

The reasons you've given for pushing c4 have been bad

etc

[staypositivefriend]

@Sloonei

Question for you.

spf brought Alison up to you as someone you should suspect. She had two posts at the time.

C4 lays into Alison the second she shows up again.

What's up with that?

why are you asking a question that could be answered if you scrolled down exactly three posts after i asked sloonei that question about alison?

i'm serious - i went into detail about why i asked sloonei that specific question a couple of posts after my initial question, and that doesn't seem to be influencing your perception of the question at all

it's getting harder for me to perceive your reasoning as being presented in good faith, even though i'm sure that you will once again perceive me concern about your carelessness in reading my lines as an ~accusation~

[Sloonei]

i'm about to enter a work meeting, but i'm gonna spend exactly one or two lengthy posts addressing sloonei's concerns when i'm done, and then go back to scumhunting

I do not think I need you to address my concerns head on. They are what they are. But if you think it will help me understand you better, go ahead.

I am more interested in seeing how your reads develop from here.

[Dom]

i'm about to enter a work meeting, but i'm gonna spend exactly one or two lengthy posts addressing sloonei's concerns when i'm done, and then go back to scumhunting

I look forward to this.

I feel like Dom has been pushing a lot of people for reasons I haven't really liked, and that post was just such a stretch I'm very hard pressed to believe he isn't fishing for pushes

You haven't liked my reasons because you-- in your words-- don't want the person you're dating to be bad. Am I mistaken about that?

I recognized the merit of slooneis post perfectly well I'm pretty sure

...and I agree with Sloonei, but take it one step further that I don't like her responses to pressure on this issue. I found her stated objective and her behavior to be incongruous.

The reasons you've given for pushing her have been bad

The reasons you've given for pushing c4 have been bad

etc

The reasons I've been pushing C4 are bad?
are the reasons others have pushed him bad?

[Dom]

@Sloonei

Question for you.

spf brought Alison up to you as someone you should suspect. She had two posts at the time.

C4 lays into Alison the second she shows up again.

What's up with that?

why are you asking a question that could be answered if you scrolled down exactly three posts after i asked sloonei that question about alison?

i'm serious - i went into detail about why i asked sloonei that specific question a couple of posts after my initial question, and that doesn't seem to be influencing your perception of the question at all

it's getting harder for me to perceive your reasoning as being presented in good faith, even though i'm sure that you will once again perceive me concern about your carelessness in reading my lines as an ~accusation~

My entire argument about you is that you aren't arguing in good faith.
I know and understand that. You said it to Sloonei saying well doesn't that weird you out that your reads don't match?!
I don't know what you're getting at here.

[falcon45ca]

Falcon is big town

Did you just call me chubby?

[Alison]

Fuck, fix:

what makes you so sure the votes on you are a conspiracy by teamed wolves rather than wrong town or unteamed opportunist wolves

I have nowhere said that there can't be wrong townies on me. What I have said is that there's evidence that my name was brought up as a target in BTSC, and there would be at least one partner joining that push.

where is the evidence

Read #631.

631 is not actually evidence that there are teamed wolves pushing you

for one I have a strong townread on dom and am not convinced at all that the votes on you are a conspiracy, but even if we grant that you are right that dom is looking for reasons to attack you, there is nothing to say that they were concocted in scumchat or that scumchat has other people voting you (as opposed to just giving dom talking points)

[Alison]

Sloonei and Alison are >>>>>> mafia here.

Their townreads are hot garbage ergo TMI.

no

[Alison]

mac if I'm scum why are my townreads TMI and not a buddy

[Alison]

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine is mafia

do you think that post I quoted just before was scummy?

I don't really have strong feelings about it to be honest

[falcon45ca]

having a real shit day so here's some slank cover

hope your day gets better Mac!

Being mafia back to back is tough. I wouldn’t want to play either. Sorry we not on the same team this time mac.

How does Grogu know what team Mac is on?


Why is Grogu voting Essoa?

[Alison]

sorry I find none of this SPF stuff and issue and I'm fucking bored of it

mind meld

[Dom]

sorry I find none of this SPF stuff and issue and I'm fucking bored of it

why?

I really just feel like you're picking at something very minor and it was annoying to read page after page of SPF answering the same questions

sorry I find none of this SPF stuff and issue and I'm fucking bored of it

Fantastic! What do you propose?

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

I don't know what this means though lol

Just ISO him, it won't take long

I did and I honestly don't know what you mean. He posted today, didn't he? I am feeling dumb lol.

[KZA]

@Dom were any of his posts helpful or even about other players

[Sloonei]

sorry I find none of this SPF stuff and issue and I'm fucking bored of it

mind meld