Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Esooa]

btw I'd like everyone who thinks Mac is scum to say so right now

so

are you scum?

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

[Alison]

btw I'd like everyone who thinks Mac is scum to say so right now

so

are you scum?

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

no

[Esooa]

btw I'd like everyone who thinks Mac is scum to say so right now

so

are you scum?

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

no

I think you're scum

[Alison]

btw I'd like everyone who thinks Mac is scum to say so right now

so

are you scum?

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

no

I think you're scum

why

[Esooa]

so

are you scum?

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

no

I think you're scum

why

cause mac low posting is blatantly to avoid being NK'd and he's done it before

He has no reason to low post as scum

So you scum reading that and not actually thinking about his posts is kinda weird

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Meh mac’s probably taking a similar approach to the game as I am, which isn’t really AI for him

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like idk that it’s really scummy but it’s definitely not townie

[Esooa]

Like idk that it’s really scummy but it’s definitely not townie

pretty sure that's why he is but regardless Alison is still scum reading him for it

[Alison]

are you scum?

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

no

I think you're scum

why

cause mac low posting is blatantly to avoid being NK'd and he's done it before

He has no reason to low post as scum

So you scum reading that and not actually thinking about his posts is kinda weird

when has he actually done that

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like idk that it’s really scummy but it’s definitely not townie

pretty sure that's why he is but regardless Alison is still scum reading him for it

Yeah that’s fine

[Esooa]

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

no

I think you're scum

why

cause mac low posting is blatantly to avoid being NK'd and he's done it before

He has no reason to low post as scum

So you scum reading that and not actually thinking about his posts is kinda weird

when has he actually done that

He made an alt he played on on MU specifically so he could slank and not get night killed so I figured you should know it's something he would do

seems a lot more obvious than he's not posting cause he's scum which is ???

[Grogu]

@Grogu



where are uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Lol I been around. Lots going on

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m not pushing him but I don’t think it’s bad or wrong for people to be sus of his opening

I don’t get why you’re so up in arms about it, it’s a fair push to make

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Do you need a snickers

[Alison]

He made an alt he played on on MU specifically so he could slank and not get night killed so I figured you should know it's something he would do

seems a lot more obvious than he's not posting cause he's scum which is ???

no, I didn't know about his alt. I do know that he has been aggressive even in games where he openly complains about always being the N1 kill because he just can't stop himself from murdering mafia when he's town. I also know that he has said he feels unable to fully replicate the spark of towny energy he has when he is scum, which jives with his uninspired and biteless pushes this game.

why does mac go into a game where he thinks alison and sloonei are powerwolfing and decide that his best move is to afk and try to make it through the night alive while forfeiting thread control to them?

[Esooa]

He made an alt he played on on MU specifically so he could slank and not get night killed so I figured you should know it's something he would do

seems a lot more obvious than he's not posting cause he's scum which is ???

no, I didn't know about his alt. I do know that he has been aggressive even in games where he openly complains about always being the N1 kill because he just can't stop himself from murdering mafia when he's town. I also know that he has said he feels unable to fully replicate the spark of towny energy he has when he is scum, which jives with his uninspired and biteless pushes this game.

why does mac go into a game where he thinks alison and sloonei are powerwolfing and decide that his best move is to afk and try to make it through the night alive while forfeiting thread control to them?

I didn't really get the feeling he believed those reads

But Nanook is probably right it's not actually too big of a deal and I kinda assumed you would think the same thing as me knowing him similarly

but maybe not exactly

[Dom]

Alison, esooa, grogu, nanook, dom, mac, chopchop, sloonei, falcon, epi, tsp all seem townish in roughly that order

C4 still obviously maf
Poison still maf
Spf still maf

remind me why poison is maf

also talk to me about mac and chopchop townreads.

looking through poison's iso, there are a lot of things that stick out to me.
initially my read was based on something silly that tends to be somewhat accurate: poison implied tsp was mafia without actually saying it. regardless of whether this is a joke or not i've found it's a pretty decent scumtell.
it's been made clear that it wasn't a joke though, but poison hasn't voted yet.
then there's the asking me about a random other player,
half-assed breadcrumb,
feeling the need to respond to an accusation with a joke,
complaining about the thread being boring,
it all reads like someone who isn't that interested in yeeting enclave.

@Dom

I see.
Thank u. I will keep this in my skull now.

I think Jess is not scum

what swayed you?

don't really remember. Just not feeling it

lol this hard hitting analysis brought to you by the phrase "I want her to be town" which was said about 50 times earlier.

[Esooa]

I've posted a pretty decent amount about Jess

[MacDougall]

Go read the posts I made in the other thread that were meant to be here

[MacDougall]

He made an alt he played on on MU specifically so he could slank and not get night killed so I figured you should know it's something he would do

seems a lot more obvious than he's not posting cause he's scum which is ???

no, I didn't know about his alt. I do know that he has been aggressive even in games where he openly complains about always being the N1 kill because he just can't stop himself from murdering mafia when he's town. I also know that he has said he feels unable to fully replicate the spark of towny energy he has when he is scum, which jives with his uninspired and biteless pushes this game.

why does mac go into a game where he thinks alison and sloonei are powerwolfing and decide that his best move is to afk and try to make it through the night alive while forfeiting thread control to them?

Because I am having crisis in my life and have had no time to play the game outside of minutes per day.

[Esooa]

Go read the posts I made in the other thread that were meant to be here

can you link them

[MacDougall]

Go read the posts I made in the other thread that were meant to be here

can you link them

Sloonei mafia. Why is he obvious? Maybe he's trying to be obvious mafia because he's only pseudo mafia etc.

[Alison]

Why is Sloonei obvious mafia?

[MacDougall]

Why is Sloonei obvious mafia?

Have you actually read any of his posts? He has been obvious mafia in every single post. The only thing he hasn't done is post "I am mafia".

If you stopped misreading me perhaps you'd see it. Give it a shot.

[MacDougall]

If Sloonei is town Alison is mafia.

If Sloonei is mafia Alison is mafia.

Alison is mafia.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Take that.

[MacDougall]

I was wondering why this game seemed borked and I realise it's because I don't have Nutella's 300 posts of either herself spewing herself mafia or the Mafia spewing themselves mafia off her content to read.

Who is the Nutella here?

[MacDougall]

Is it Esooa or is it SPF?

Imma go with SPF.

[Esooa]

I was wondering why this game seemed borked and I realise it's because I don't have Nutella's 300 posts of either herself spewing herself mafia or the Mafia spewing themselves mafia off her content to read.

Who is the Nutella here?

lmao

[MacDougall]

Gadoosh

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

[Esooa]

Is it Esooa or is it SPF?

Imma go with SPF.

have you not read my posts bro

[MacDougall]

Is it Esooa or is it SPF?

Imma go with SPF.

have you not read my posts bro

No

[Esooa]

Is it Esooa or is it SPF?

Imma go with SPF.

have you not read my posts bro

No

you'd be town reading me if you did

[MacDougall]

Fine have a town read then

[Esooa]

that was easy

[MacDougall]

Why make it hard?

[Esooa]

Why make it hard?

normally you do for me I feel lol

[MacDougall]

Yeah that's true

[Long Con]

Are you stringing me along?

I'm literally lying in bed because it is time for me to go to sleep and checking Mafia on my phone before I plug it into a charger. Now I get you playing like you don't know what you said? What is fart.sx?

I will look forward to your answer when I wake up in the morning. Good night my friend.

oh. lmao. i'm... i'm really laughing right now.

look in the top left of this image Esooa posted on the last page:

Spoiler: show

Heh... "fart.sx" seems like a memey way to say *fart sound effects*. Very well.

[Long Con]

kinda think that nanook is scum but also kinda think he's not gonna get chopped until the endgame for some reason

If extremely recent history is any basis I’m going to get flash wagoned while not present at eod

I'll not participate in such a thing.

[TonyStarkPrime]

If EOD were right now I’d vote to save C4

[Urist]

The more Mac stays away from the thread and the more he throws out surface level hot takes like "alison + sloonei wolf" with no follow up or bite to them the more my scumread on him is strengthened. Town Mac is a force of nature and I struggle to believe that if he had those reads genuinely he would be content to sit back and let us control the thread. This feels more like scum Mac trying to surface level replicate his typical town aggressiveness. I endorse sloonei's vote there in spirit but am not moving because I think BK is the most certain hit.

pretty sure he's capable of more content as scum & it's just laziness either way

[DaughterOfOmega]

yawn time to wake up for class

[Urist]

Just this one game can I be town cleared without having to put in the frankly unappealing work of clearing myself?

I’m half serious

i'm tryin friend

[Urist]

are you scum?

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

no

I think you're scum

why

cause mac low posting is blatantly to avoid being NK'd and he's done it before

He has no reason to low post as scum

So you scum reading that and not actually thinking about his posts is kinda weird

i was kind of thinking similarly. alison's read on mac is suuuper shallow, there's no extra layer of reasoning under it

[Jackofhearts2005]

sloonei long con esooa alison dom falcon townleans

the tier slightly below that contains c4 and martin. my read on c4 is in flux right now and i'm having trouble nailing down a solid stance tbh

actively worried about jackofhearts, boknows, urist, rej

everyone else is w/e

Tell me what’s wrong with the other three of us eh?

urist - lazily signal boosted the momentum against me at the peak of the moment when i was being pressured, and then ducked out of the thread. has not addressed any of my questions. had an incredibly confident scumread on long con that was shaping a big part of their perception of their game - a read that seems to have disappeared w/out explanation in their most recent string of posts. (is that because he doesn't think that long con is enclave? i don't know, i'm just worried about the confidence on a lot of reads that i think are probably just outright incorrect)

boknows - felt confident enough to post an entire readslist at a point when the rest of his posts were 100% filler - reads reeked of TMI (his reasoning for townreading me was vague and generic, he gave similar reasoning for both poison and long con but then reached completely different conclusions - i think esooa pointed that out already)

rej - posts have felt overly focused on keeping up the appearance of solving - piggybacked off of the thing that i was being pressured for on page 3 and then kept the same read on page ~20ish in a way that felt static. i don't get the sense that rej's reads are fluid, dynamic, or in the state of development. they feel like conclusions that he reached because he feels like he needs to reach conclusions, as opposed to conclusions that form from just organically approaching the game w/a detective mindset

If this was my entire understanding of the game, I wouldn’t be concerned with Rej based on that.

why's that? is it typical for rej to play that way?

In terms of being like focused on a couple things while not being a major thread presence, giving him the appearance of trying to maintain an appearance of solving.

Does that sound like Rej here or is it worse than that?

it's a little worse than that

this introductory post from rej checked off a few boxes for me:

i have two townreads but im not gonna say who yet = )

Heya, here to play some low effort, this is the first post that pinged me. I personally don't like posts like this because they are confusing as heck. This could be the most unneccessary soft claim, or this could be a bait, or this could be anything.
I always ask myself why a town should do this, the last time I saw someone do this they ended up masons with someone and they got lynched.

Anyone beat me to this.


Also I see Long Con and KZA are voted currently. I feel whenever I play here Long Con gets voted somehow. Will drop my opinions once I am cought up.

1. rej piggybacks off of the same reasoning that dom/sloonei were pressuring me for. this is strange to me only because rej outright says: "the last time i saw someone do this, they ended up being town." it felt like he was nitpicking at the particulars of my playstyle more than he was trying to glean alignment indicative information out of it

this would all be fine and good if he didn't echo the exact same read again 30ish hours later (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=737871#p737871)

2. rej brings up the dynamic of the gamestate (ie: long con and kza are being voted) and makes no commentary about it - choosing instead to promise more content in the future (which of course, never actually ends up coming)

there's also him asking a question about c4 on viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=737061#p737061, and then never following up with it. or outing a townread on sloonei/dom on viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=737854#p737854 because they "ping him the least". it all just feels fairly shallow and like rej is struggling to maintain a solvey tone without actually .....solving

the thing that i like the most about rej is him calling himself mischop bait, lol

Appreciate the effort but none of that really pings me about Rej.

Rej does tend to be mischop bait unless Drago tells us he's a wolf, in which case, he's a wolf.

#veryhelpfulyouarewelcome

[Jackofhearts2005]

Just this one game can I be town cleared without having to put in the frankly unappealing work of clearing myself?

I’m half serious

Okay, buddy.

Spoiler: show

I'm half serious.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Go read the posts I made in the other thread that were meant to be here

Should kill Nutella probably

I AM DEAD

Wrong thread someone just delete them lmao

Game of Champions 2020 wot up

*graffitis*

For posterity.

[falcon45ca]

Town: Dom, Epignosis, Esooa, falcon45ca, Long Con, MartinGG99, Sloonei, staypositive friend

Pure null: DaughterOfOmega, DrWilgy, Grogu, Marmot, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Poison, reywaS, Spacedaisy

Mixed: Urist, KZA

Light scum: ChopChop, TonyStarkPrime

Scum: BoKnows, c4e5g3d5, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Rej

This list is eerily similar to my own.