hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
What happens is: We use new mech info and we bag Wilgy next if he's scum.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:56 pm
and pretty awesome how everyone goes "eh, wilgy's thing doesn't make sense even though he must've been redirected at least two times"
but it's totally unfeasible that kyle was redirected too
top notch logic, once you claim 3p, the person that claims town is gonna gain more ground than you do in the game
if you believe wilgy, then you have to believe there are at least 2 redirectors. in that world, it's a good chance i'm not in a red check pool.
I think you make things more complicated than they are, the double redirect is not really needed.
Some claims are just not clear enough amd yours is one of them
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
I disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.
Thing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
No. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynched
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:19 pm
There was a second on me, and I can't explain it. You want me to pull information out of the aether?
mafia would never redirect you with outed cop roles and doctors.
town would always claim if they redirected you.
the only variant left is hostile 3ps, but we already have 3 3ps in the game. i wasn't tracked to you, alison's tracks check out and the third 3p is dead. so it's very unlikely.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:53 pm
how does this not make sense to people???????
It may be other mechanics that are not mafia redirects. We don't know everything about this game. Nutella literally did a self sacrifice, got Jack resurrected, on the night Martin was supposed to jail her and I was supposed to protect her from all harm.
Town still has time to resolve Wilgy. You don't have time, but that's not town's problem. Sorry.
Yeah. This. Again.
Ted is not on our team. We owe him nothing.
We owe him nothing, but I dislike removing someone's chance to win if not necessary. Like, risk/reward where the reward is kindness.
I like this guy.
Ted may or may not be right so you may or may not be a wolf, but if so you are a likeable wolf and I think that's important.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:03 pm
@tedxtr if I'm not your target, who is? Like, let's say you're correct and I am scum but I'm not your target. Who is?
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
I disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.
Thing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
No. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynched
Dollar to a do-nut that if Ted flips 3P someone off wagon gets pointed out as "wouldn't vote Ted, must have had TMI."
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:56 pm
and pretty awesome how everyone goes "eh, wilgy's thing doesn't make sense even though he must've been redirected at least two times"
but it's totally unfeasible that kyle was redirected too
top notch logic, once you claim 3p, the person that claims town is gonna gain more ground than you do in the game
if you believe wilgy, then you have to believe there are at least 2 redirectors. in that world, it's a good chance i'm not in a red check pool.
I think you make things more complicated than they are, the double redirect is not really needed.
Some claims are just not clear enough amd yours is one of them
except that double redirect is what's being claimed here on wiggly isn't it? and nobody has told me why/who would double redirect wiggly. it just doesn't make sense.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:03 pm
@tedxtr if I'm not your target, who is? Like, let's say you're correct and I am scum but I'm not your target. Who is?
I'm signing off. I understand the arguments for going for Wilgy, but I disagree. I'm very sorry if you're 3p indeed, Ted. It's just not my wincon, and I'm playing to mine. I think we have enough time and more information to go off of to bag the last mafiosos. Joke's on town if we mess it up I guess.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:03 pm
@tedxtr if I'm not your target, who is? Like, let's say you're correct and I am scum but I'm not your target. Who is?
made based on role claim related reasons
Not making this easy are you bud?
Man, I really don't want to decline you your wincon for no reason tbh, but you gotta realize you are wrong on me. I think Tim summed it up with the statement "you're case isn't as airtight as you think" and I can even prove that I never lied.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:56 pm
@DrWilgy don't post any more k
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
What happens is: We use new mech info and we bag Wilgy next if he's scum.
OR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?
Like that's what it's coming down to for me. 3pTed vs WolfWiggly. I'm onboard chopping wolf wiggly over 3pTed
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:03 pm
@tedxtr if I'm not your target, who is? Like, let's say you're correct and I am scum but I'm not your target. Who is?
What?
?
Just trying to understand where Ted's head is at. You have inquiry?
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:56 pm
@DrWilgy don't post any more k
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
I disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.
Thing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
No. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynched
Except that people are ALREADY talking about going after players who are hard defending Ted.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:03 pm
@tedxtr if I'm not your target, who is? Like, let's say you're correct and I am scum but I'm not your target. Who is?
made based on role claim related reasons
Not making this easy are you bud?
Man, I really don't want to decline you your wincon for no reason tbh, but you gotta realize you are wrong on me. I think Tim summed it up with the statement "you're case isn't as airtight as you think" and I can even prove that I never lied.
what, you wanted a reason to go with it?
he claimed immune to death as part of his role and i do have a one strongman shot to take out my target.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
I disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.
Thing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
No. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynched
Dollar to a do-nut that if Ted flips 3P someone off wagon gets pointed out as "wouldn't vote Ted, must have had TMI."
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pmOR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?
Like that's what it's coming down to for me. 3pTed vs WolfWiggly. I'm onboard chopping wolf wiggly over 3pTed
I think I just weigh the risk of Wilgy being town as a bigger downside then.
Say we chop Wilgy and he's town. What then? We have to spend a chop and a whole discussion on Ted tomorrow?
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
I disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.
Thing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
No. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynched
Dollar to a do-nut that if Ted flips 3P someone off wagon gets pointed out as "wouldn't vote Ted, must have had TMI."
It's already been said in thread that tomorrow we should look at the people who didn't want to chop ted
I mean, I also think Ted is 3p. That just doesn't make me want to save him. I think that makes perfect sense. Maybe we just view what is the best course of action differently. I'm taking a more risk free route imo.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:03 pm
@tedxtr if I'm not your target, who is? Like, let's say you're correct and I am scum but I'm not your target. Who is?
made based on role claim related reasons
Not making this easy are you bud?
Man, I really don't want to decline you your wincon for no reason tbh, but you gotta realize you are wrong on me. I think Tim summed it up with the statement "you're case isn't as airtight as you think" and I can even prove that I never lied.
what, you wanted a reason to go with it?
he claimed immune to death as part of his role and i do have a one strongman shot to take out my target.
No, more so I was hoping that we could come to a consensus on who to vote for that isn't either you or I. A Made vote sounds fruitless, but I'm still down for you shooting him.
If you and I live past today, we can theoretically achieve both proving that I'm town and you can get your wincon.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:56 pm
@DrWilgy don't post any more k
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:10 pm
I mean, I also think Ted is 3p. That just doesn't make me want to save him. I think that makes perfect sense. Maybe we just view what is the best course of action differently. I'm taking a more risk free route imo.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:02 pm
What if nobody’s mafia?
Some day I'm running that game.
We had a game on PerC where we all were VTs on D1. And then the choppee from D1 became The Witch and could choose the scum team for herself on N1, and be in the scum chat with them all game. Pretty cool tbh. But also pretty trolly on D1 lol.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
What happens is: We use new mech info and we bag Wilgy next if he's scum.
OR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?
Like that's what it's coming down to for me. 3pTed vs WolfWiggly. I'm onboard chopping wolf wiggly over 3pTed
If Wilgy is town though Jack can maybe cop check him tonight...and the real beauty of Jack's cop check is that even if the wolves kill Jack it looks like his target still has to answer.
PS @Jackofhearts2005 you do recognize that if you hadn't blown off the strongest town role in the game until you got flipped and resurrected this mess would likely be over now, yeah? You have ascended to eternal meme status here.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:03 pm
@tedxtr if I'm not your target, who is? Like, let's say you're correct and I am scum but I'm not your target. Who is?
What?
?
Just trying to understand where Ted's head is at. You have inquiry?
Nope, I have to sleep now, remind me endgame please to tell you something related to this post if you are villager
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pmOR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?
Like that's what it's coming down to for me. 3pTed vs WolfWiggly. I'm onboard chopping wolf wiggly over 3pTed
I think I just weigh the risk of Wilgy being town as a bigger downside then.
Say we chop Wilgy and he's town. What then? We have to spend a chop and a whole discussion on Ted tomorrow?
Or are you saying you are mafia with Wilgy?
Yeah, I'm hard buddying ted/pushing wiggly so that me, the lazy bloke who contributes virtually nothing, can go deep
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:03 pm
@tedxtr if I'm not your target, who is? Like, let's say you're correct and I am scum but I'm not your target. Who is?
What?
?
Just trying to understand where Ted's head is at. You have inquiry?
Nope, I have to sleep now, remind me endgame please to tell you something related to this post if you are villager
Will set an alarm.
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:56 pm
@DrWilgy don't post any more k
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm
WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:10 pm
I mean, I also think Ted is 3p. That just doesn't make me want to save him. I think that makes perfect sense. Maybe we just view what is the best course of action differently. I'm taking a more risk free route imo.
Oh I totally understand your position, I'm just confident wiggly is furry and would rather take that chop than potential fur/3p Ted.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:10 pmwilgy is never villager.
This is not true though. You are either blinded by your bias or you know this already. We will likely know Wilgy's alignment tomorrow. I'm not risking losing town to save 3p who has been tracked to the kill target and pinged as mafia by another role. No way. Even if I think it's likely that you do flip 3p. I've said it many times now. I know this must make sense to you at some level if you just think it through, though it probably sucks.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:03 pm
@tedxtr if I'm not your target, who is? Like, let's say you're correct and I am scum but I'm not your target. Who is?
made based on role claim related reasons
Not making this easy are you bud?
Man, I really don't want to decline you your wincon for no reason tbh, but you gotta realize you are wrong on me. I think Tim summed it up with the statement "you're case isn't as airtight as you think" and I can even prove that I never lied.
what, you wanted a reason to go with it?
he claimed immune to death as part of his role and i do have a one strongman shot to take out my target.
“You need my role” is also a thing I’ve heard out of role madness wolves time and again.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:49 pm
Hold on. I have an idea. A compromise.
Ted's wincon is to blast a certain scum right?
Why not we yeet someone on the PoE that can't be rolechecked out of PoE (me) and at the same time keep Ted around until it's unsafe? Like, how many rounds with Ted do we have left before him being 3p is a risk. We can at least try to yeet Ted's teammate if he is scum.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
I disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.
Thing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
No. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynched
Dollar to a do-nut that if Ted flips 3P someone off wagon gets pointed out as "wouldn't vote Ted, must have had TMI."
I'm the one who made a serious argument to not chopping ted today so guess that's me
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
What happens is: We use new mech info and we bag Wilgy next if he's scum.
OR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?
Like that's what it's coming down to for me. 3pTed vs WolfWiggly. I'm onboard chopping wolf wiggly over 3pTed
If Wilgy is town though Jack can maybe cop check him tonight...and the real beauty of Jack's cop check is that even if the wolves kill Jack it looks like his target still has to answer.
PS @Jackofhearts2005 you do recognize that if you hadn't blown off the strongest town role in the game until you got flipped and resurrected this mess would likely be over now, yeah? You have ascended to eternal meme status here.
maybe
