Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[falcon45ca]

you probably should not have posted the whole thing

Kinda towny thing to do I'd say

[TonyStarkPrime]

Day vig Chop IMO

I can't, I've already used my shot. The only other role who can dayvig is Metzger, and since that's a hostile 3P I doubt they'll be kind enough to clear our POE for us lol.

Cool, so Alison is prolly Metzger

elaborate

[Urist]

you probably should not have posted the whole thing

Well what exactly were you expecting?

a summary, which is exactly what i asked for initially

[Jackofhearts2005]

you probably should not have posted the whole thing

Um yeah lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

i worked on this story for a year and he just tweeted it out

[falcon45ca]

Day vig Chop IMO

I can't, I've already used my shot. The only other role who can dayvig is Metzger, and since that's a hostile 3P I doubt they'll be kind enough to clear our POE for us lol.

Cool, so Alison is prolly Metzger

elaborate

There's only one Slaver role guaranteed, and Alison is assuming that it's Metzger. It's TMI, I'd bet good caps that's her role.

[Alison]

I don't see where Esooa is missing from that post.

[TonyStarkPrime]

7. Players with BTSC may not submit night actions on behalf of one another. All actions must be submitted by the players performing them either by direct host contact or visible word of agreement.

relevant to prior questions for the record

[Jackofhearts2005]

Secret codes!

[Alison]

Day vig Chop IMO

I can't, I've already used my shot. The only other role who can dayvig is Metzger, and since that's a hostile 3P I doubt they'll be kind enough to clear our POE for us lol.

Cool, so Alison is prolly Metzger

elaborate

There's only one Slaver role guaranteed, and Alison is assuming that it's Metzger. It's TMI, I'd bet good caps that's her role.

You asked someone to dayvig Chop so I mentioned Metzger because it's the only other role who can dayvig. If I am Metzger then who is Eldridge?

[TonyStarkPrime]

if you're metzger i assume eldridge was provided to you as a fakeclaim but I don't think you're metzger because you shot c4

[Urist]

I don't see where Esooa is missing from that post.

Urist, Esooa, SPF, Martin, Rej, Alison, Grogu and Sloon.
Now Rej became a late CW so if they are wolf their wagon was most likely town driven.
I trust Urist for now at least so I’ll take him out for now, if you want to keep him in the main PoE it’s your choice but I’m removing him from it for now.
Now with the remaining SPF/Martin/Alison/Sloon/Grogu I think there is definitely at least 1 wolf within there as this wagon I think was at least somewhat scum motivated.

in the last line here he leaves out Esooa from the Bo voters

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't see where Esooa is missing from that post.

maybe he added it ex post facto

[Jackofhearts2005]

But still why Daisy?

[falcon45ca]

Day vig Chop IMO

I can't, I've already used my shot. The only other role who can dayvig is Metzger, and since that's a hostile 3P I doubt they'll be kind enough to clear our POE for us lol.

Cool, so Alison is prolly Metzger

elaborate

There's only one Slaver role guaranteed, and Alison is assuming that it's Metzger. It's TMI, I'd bet good caps that's her role.

You asked someone to dayvig Chop so I mentioned Metzger because it's the only other role who can dayvig. If I am Metzger then who is Eldridge?

This is more proof you're Metzger, cuz you are smart enough to know that viable fake character claims were provided. Especially if you know only 1 other role can dayvig

[Jackofhearts2005]

Falcon, is this a serious accusation or a meme?

[Alison]

This is more proof you're Metzger, cuz you are smart enough to know that viable fake character claims were provided. Especially if you know only 1 other role can dayvig

So you think I am Metzger, lucked into rolling Elridge as a fakeclaim (there aren't enough town-equivalents of each evil role to give fakeclaims to all of them), decided to shoot the most misexable slot on planet earth instead of literally any other player in a game stacked with strong town players with my unstoppable unaccountable daykill, and then holster my nightkill?

[Alison]

I don't see where Esooa is missing from that post.

Urist, Esooa, SPF, Martin, Rej, Alison, Grogu and Sloon.
Now Rej became a late CW so if they are wolf their wagon was most likely town driven.
I trust Urist for now at least so I’ll take him out for now, if you want to keep him in the main PoE it’s your choice but I’m removing him from it for now.
Now with the remaining SPF/Martin/Alison/Sloon/Grogu I think there is definitely at least 1 wolf within there as this wagon I think was at least somewhat scum motivated.

in the last line here he leaves out Esooa from the Bo voters

ok, I think this looks like a legit slip to me and Daisy looks good for noticing it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

when you say it out loud I'm nominally more likely to believe it

[Alison]

when you say it out loud I'm nominally more likely to believe it

To be honest I don't care about your read on my slot

[TonyStarkPrime]

:hmph:

[falcon45ca]

This is more proof you're Metzger, cuz you are smart enough to know that viable fake character claims were provided. Especially if you know only 1 other role can dayvig

So you think I am Metzger, lucked into rolling Elridge as a fakeclaim (there aren't enough town-equivalents of each evil role to give fakeclaims to all of them), decided to shoot the most misexable slot on planet earth instead of literally any other player in a game stacked with strong town players with my unstoppable unaccountable daykill, and then holster my nightkill?

Yup.

[Alison]

Anyway my view on the Chop message is that it was very likely copied verbatim, Chop might get modkilled for it (I don't know the exact rules surrounding copying messages), and this does not look like a message that was written as W/W theatre, meaning I don't believe that Chop and Daisy are wolves together. I also don't think that Daisy is this paranoid and attentive to small details if she's scum, which means Daisy is town.

[Alison]

This is more proof you're Metzger, cuz you are smart enough to know that viable fake character claims were provided. Especially if you know only 1 other role can dayvig

So you think I am Metzger, lucked into rolling Elridge as a fakeclaim (there aren't enough town-equivalents of each evil role to give fakeclaims to all of them), decided to shoot the most misexable slot on planet earth instead of literally any other player in a game stacked with strong town players with my unstoppable unaccountable daykill, and then holster my nightkill?

Yup.

Good for you, buddy. Have fun.

[falcon45ca]

Falcon, is this a serious accusation or a meme?

I'm pretty sure she's Metzger. Question is, what do we do with her?

[falcon45ca]

This is more proof you're Metzger, cuz you are smart enough to know that viable fake character claims were provided. Especially if you know only 1 other role can dayvig

So you think I am Metzger, lucked into rolling Elridge as a fakeclaim (there aren't enough town-equivalents of each evil role to give fakeclaims to all of them), decided to shoot the most misexable slot on planet earth instead of literally any other player in a game stacked with strong town players with my unstoppable unaccountable daykill, and then holster my nightkill?

Yup.

Good for you, buddy. Have fun.

You seem perturbed. Was it something I said?

[Urist]

Anyway my view on the Chop message is that it was very likely copied verbatim, Chop might get modkilled for it (I don't know the exact rules surrounding copying messages), and this does not look like a message that was written as W/W theatre, meaning I don't believe that Chop and Daisy are wolves together. I also don't think that Daisy is this paranoid and attentive to small details if she's scum, which means Daisy is town.

yeah i think i agree on daisy and chop not being paired at this point, and daisy looking townish.
i'm not sure i agree that chop is scum. it still doesn't make sense to me that he'd claim it as scum right after daisy was saying it's a scumslip.
really just waiting on jjj to weigh in re: a potential modkill.

[Alison]

This is more proof you're Metzger, cuz you are smart enough to know that viable fake character claims were provided. Especially if you know only 1 other role can dayvig

So you think I am Metzger, lucked into rolling Elridge as a fakeclaim (there aren't enough town-equivalents of each evil role to give fakeclaims to all of them), decided to shoot the most misexable slot on planet earth instead of literally any other player in a game stacked with strong town players with my unstoppable unaccountable daykill, and then holster my nightkill?

Yup.

Good for you, buddy. Have fun.

You seem perturbed. Was it something I said?

Yes, I'm annoyed that I'm getting tinfoiled for bad reasons solely because I'm me.

[Alison]

Anyway my view on the Chop message is that it was very likely copied verbatim, Chop might get modkilled for it (I don't know the exact rules surrounding copying messages), and this does not look like a message that was written as W/W theatre, meaning I don't believe that Chop and Daisy are wolves together. I also don't think that Daisy is this paranoid and attentive to small details if she's scum, which means Daisy is town.

yeah i think i agree on daisy and chop not being paired at this point, and daisy looking townish.
i'm not sure i agree that chop is scum. it still doesn't make sense to me that he'd claim it as scum right after daisy was saying it's a scumslip.
really just waiting on jjj to weigh in re: a potential modkill.

it doesn't make sense to me that chop would forget it as town when he had the names right in front of him. If he's town and is what he claims he's been thinking hard about the names on the wagon, including Esooa. He hasn't provided a satisfactory reason why he forgot it, or why he targeted Daisy at all.

[Gavial]

I don't see where Esooa is missing from that post.

Forgot to mention them after I stated the voters.

[Gavial]

Anyway my view on the Chop message is that it was very likely copied verbatim, Chop might get modkilled for it (I don't know the exact rules surrounding copying messages), and this does not look like a message that was written as W/W theatre, meaning I don't believe that Chop and Daisy are wolves together. I also don't think that Daisy is this paranoid and attentive to small details if she's scum, which means Daisy is town.

yeah i think i agree on daisy and chop not being paired at this point, and daisy looking townish.
i'm not sure i agree that chop is scum. it still doesn't make sense to me that he'd claim it as scum right after daisy was saying it's a scumslip.
really just waiting on jjj to weigh in re: a potential modkill.

it doesn't make sense to me that chop would forget it as town when he had the names right in front of him. If he's town and is what he claims he's been thinking hard about the names on the wagon, including Esooa. He hasn't provided a satisfactory reason why he forgot it, or why he targeted Daisy at all.

I was TRing Esooa and think that’s why I didn’t mention them.
But recently, I realized I was TRing Esooa for the wrong reasons as I was actually TRing you but I got your name confused with Esooa and Esooa didn’t really say it wasn’t them that did it and they have a similar vibe as you so I didn’t know.

[Gavial]

Like it was your response to the TWTBW post.

[Gavial]

And I usually don’t read over stuff when I type it.

[Urist]

Anyway my view on the Chop message is that it was very likely copied verbatim, Chop might get modkilled for it (I don't know the exact rules surrounding copying messages), and this does not look like a message that was written as W/W theatre, meaning I don't believe that Chop and Daisy are wolves together. I also don't think that Daisy is this paranoid and attentive to small details if she's scum, which means Daisy is town.

yeah i think i agree on daisy and chop not being paired at this point, and daisy looking townish.
i'm not sure i agree that chop is scum. it still doesn't make sense to me that he'd claim it as scum right after daisy was saying it's a scumslip.
really just waiting on jjj to weigh in re: a potential modkill.

it doesn't make sense to me that chop would forget it as town when he had the names right in front of him. If he's town and is what he claims he's been thinking hard about the names on the wagon, including Esooa. He hasn't provided a satisfactory reason why he forgot it, or why he targeted Daisy at all.

it also doesn't make sense that chop would forget it as enclave when the names are right in front of him.

[Gavial]

This is more proof you're Metzger, cuz you are smart enough to know that viable fake character claims were provided. Especially if you know only 1 other role can dayvig

So you think I am Metzger, lucked into rolling Elridge as a fakeclaim (there aren't enough town-equivalents of each evil role to give fakeclaims to all of them), decided to shoot the most misexable slot on planet earth instead of literally any other player in a game stacked with strong town players with my unstoppable unaccountable daykill, and then holster my nightkill?

Yup.

Good for you, buddy. Have fun.

You seem perturbed. Was it something I said?

Yes, I'm annoyed that I'm getting tinfoiled for bad reasons solely because I'm me.

I think it’s your role ability rather then you yourself.

[Gavial]

Alison might actually be Slaver here and that may explain Them and Tony interactions.
Tony trying to signal.
But I still wanna believe Alison is Eldridge here.

[Gavial]

Nanook sorry if I missed it but I see your naked vote on me and just care to wonder, do you have your own opinion on the matter?
If not, maybe show the exact post your sheeping.

[Gavial]

@falcon45ca
@Urist
What’s your guys read on Tony?

[Sloonei]

who kills wilgy?

Someone with a PR read that was wrong.

Someone who is so deeply embedded in the towncore that they face suspicion if towncore members start dying and they are still alive, so they fake a PR hunt.

Possibly a vigilante, with the Vault City kill blocked by a doctor.

I'm not gonna check but doesn't Vault City have a limited number of factional kills? If so, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to just holster.

Worth considering. This would be a questionable decision imo but wolves are not known for always playing optimally

It’s very possible the two teams just alternate kills each night. Vault City on Evens, Enclave on Odds.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Heh look what I found playing DRv3.

[TonyStarkPrime]

who kills wilgy?

Someone with a PR read that was wrong.

Someone who is so deeply embedded in the towncore that they face suspicion if towncore members start dying and they are still alive, so they fake a PR hunt.

Possibly a vigilante, with the Vault City kill blocked by a doctor.

I'm not gonna check but doesn't Vault City have a limited number of factional kills? If so, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to just holster.

Worth considering. This would be a questionable decision imo but wolves are not known for always playing optimally

It’s very possible the two teams just alternate kills each night. Vault City on Evens, Enclave on Odds.

Please read the setup

[Urist]

who kills wilgy?

Someone with a PR read that was wrong.

Someone who is so deeply embedded in the towncore that they face suspicion if towncore members start dying and they are still alive, so they fake a PR hunt.

Possibly a vigilante, with the Vault City kill blocked by a doctor.

I'm not gonna check but doesn't Vault City have a limited number of factional kills? If so, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to just holster.

Worth considering. This would be a questionable decision imo but wolves are not known for always playing optimally

It’s very possible the two teams just alternate kills each night. Vault City on Evens, Enclave on Odds.

no the enclave has an obligatory kill every night

[Urist]

who kills wilgy?

Someone with a PR read that was wrong.

Someone who is so deeply embedded in the towncore that they face suspicion if towncore members start dying and they are still alive, so they fake a PR hunt.

Possibly a vigilante, with the Vault City kill blocked by a doctor.

I'm not gonna check but doesn't Vault City have a limited number of factional kills? If so, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to just holster.

Worth considering. This would be a questionable decision imo but wolves are not known for always playing optimally

It’s very possible the two teams just alternate kills each night. Vault City on Evens, Enclave on Odds.

Please read the setup

also this

[Sloonei]

Day vig Chop IMO

I can't, I've already used my shot. The only other role who can dayvig is Metzger, and since that's a hostile 3P I doubt they'll be kind enough to clear our POE for us lol.

Cool, so Alison is prolly Metzger

elaborate

There's only one Slaver role guaranteed, and Alison is assuming that it's Metzger. It's TMI, I'd bet good caps that's her role.

No

[Sloonei]

This is more proof you're Metzger, cuz you are smart enough to know that viable fake character claims were provided. Especially if you know only 1 other role can dayvig

So you think I am Metzger, lucked into rolling Elridge as a fakeclaim (there aren't enough town-equivalents of each evil role to give fakeclaims to all of them), decided to shoot the most misexable slot on planet earth instead of literally any other player in a game stacked with strong town players with my unstoppable unaccountable daykill, and then holster my nightkill?

Yup.

Good for you, buddy. Have fun.

You seem perturbed. Was it something I said?

Yes, I'm annoyed that I'm getting tinfoiled for bad reasons solely because I'm me.

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[Spacedaisy]

Is it realistic to think that the Enclave member holding that role would actually forget to include the name of their nightkill victim?

If this team is functioning like a normal team should, that message would have been peer reviewed in the team chat before it got sent out. Somebody should have noticed that Esooa's name was missing.

As a wise man once said: Mafia ChopChop doesn't run it by BTSC.

Night actions are usually highly coordinated tho

What are the chances that the other Enclave members said something like "Chop, send a message to Daisy or something and try to fish for a claim", and they don't review the exact wording?

Look it was a pretty wordy thing and it seemed really specific about what was being asked of me. If it was a mafia maneuver there is no way they wouldn’t have reviewed that thing.

It just seems more likely to me that ChopChop doesn’t have a team which points to town.

[Spacedaisy]

big brain theory is that chop and daisy are both enclave.

That is a big brain theory. But neither Chop nor Daisy are the kind to come up with a strategy this sneaky, which means there is a mastermind directing this sequence of events from BTSC. Esooa could, I could, neither of us are Enclave. Mac could be the mastermind, but it doesn't suit his style to go full Light Yagami in scum chat and afk in the thread.

Who do you think is the mastermind if this is true? I lean towards it not being true and Daisy just being town. The mix of paranoia and emotion in her post was struck very precisely, and it is not easy to fake.

I don't believe it's true.

but i could see lc pulling something like that. maayyyyybe epi or dom. it's got a very old school syndicate feel.

but i'm not seriously entertaining the theory.

if it's got an old school syndicate feel that I'd also have to include daisy's name on the list. let's not assume she's not a capable schemer.

Aw shucks

Here I was a bit disappointed that the new people don’t have the frame of reference to think I’m sneaky.

Regardless of that, you are speculating about who is bad based upon a bunch of things needing to be true.

ChopChop must be Enclave
I must also be Enclave
Someone else is a mastermind Enclave.

It’s silly because the premise falls apart with the fact that I am not Enclave.

Also I don’t trust you anymore.

[Sloonei]

7. Players with BTSC may not submit night actions on behalf of one another. All actions must be submitted by the players performing them either by direct host contact or visible word of agreement.

relevant to prior questions for the record

The suggestion was not that somebody else submitted the message for chop, it was that he should have ran it by the rest of his team in chat before sending it out.

[Sloonei]

big brain theory is that chop and daisy are both enclave.

That is a big brain theory. But neither Chop nor Daisy are the kind to come up with a strategy this sneaky, which means there is a mastermind directing this sequence of events from BTSC. Esooa could, I could, neither of us are Enclave. Mac could be the mastermind, but it doesn't suit his style to go full Light Yagami in scum chat and afk in the thread.

Who do you think is the mastermind if this is true? I lean towards it not being true and Daisy just being town. The mix of paranoia and emotion in her post was struck very precisely, and it is not easy to fake.

I don't believe it's true.

but i could see lc pulling something like that. maayyyyybe epi or dom. it's got a very old school syndicate feel.

but i'm not seriously entertaining the theory.

if it's got an old school syndicate feel that I'd also have to include daisy's name on the list. let's not assume she's not a capable schemer.

Aw shucks

Here I was a bit disappointed that the new people don’t have the frame of reference to think I’m sneaky.

Regardless of that, you are speculating about who is bad based upon a bunch of things needing to be true.

ChopChop must be Enclave
I must also be Enclave
Someone else is a mastermind Enclave.

It’s silly because the premise falls apart with the fact that I am not Enclave.

Also I don’t trust you anymore.

... daisy i was not actually entertaining these thoughts. I made that very clear from the beginning. I was just playing along with a thought exercise.

[DaughterOfOmega]

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