Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[MacDougall]

Alright who wants some Mac reads?

[Sloonei]

Sup guys I'm doing a poo

Poop tell, lock it in

[KZA]

Alright who wants some Mac reads?

ya

[Sloonei]

Alright who wants some Mac reads?

Please

[Marmot]

for no particular reason other than I think it’s time we kicked his tires

Well FYI for the past 4 weeks or so up until recently I've been in 4 mafia games, and 2 of them I nearly got burned out in. See d3 of GoC where I'm fairly sure I dropped there; and on MU I nearly had to remove myself from the Open World game over mental health reasons.

Yesterday and the day before was mostly a break to save my motivation for this.

I don't like defending myself like this, but I have to say it because I really doubt anyone in here has been in all the games I've been in recently or currently.

Sorry to hear that. Never forget that mafia is just a game, and mental health is always the priority.

Thanks for the concern. But I am much better now, I have less circumstantial stuff to deal with. The last week of February hit me kinda hard on the amount of stuff I had to do.

Not sure of OT is proper for discussing this though since its going to be part of my defense.

Whatever you say in OT is off the record and cannot be used against you in the court of mafia.

Or at least that's how it's supposed to work. Make it on topic if you like. I'm just expressing my condolences in OT since it wasn't intended to be game-related.

[MacDougall]

Alison is enclave. Doubling down on that one.

[MacDougall]

ChopChop rand scum so good job whoever keeps saying that

[Sloonei]

Alison is enclave. Doubling down on that one.

Lol

[Spacedaisy]

I'm back here refreshed, and last night I skimmed some of the thread before sleeping, so I am aware of the whole "scum slip" situation with Chop Chop that's simply ridiculous.

why's it ridiculous? tell me more?

Honestly it irked me that people were using buzz words like "Occam's Razor" that he's scum

like wtf

Why is that the most SIMPLEST option to explain his apparent wolfiness or scumminess to people

when he's a new member of the community and not many here know him

Like, why can't he just be a non-optimal villager? Why is that not a suitably simple explanation?

This is my belief too. I agree with your assessment of the conversation around ChopChop. Like as soon as he claimed it I knew I was wrong. Gut punch moment. But Alison's assessment of where we stand isn't wrong. We will probably need to resolve his alignment question.

[Alison]

Alison is enclave. Doubling down on that one.

If I am enclave who dayvigged c4?

[MacDougall]

Omega is like not enclave

[Marmot]

Alison is enclave. Doubling down on that one.

Off to a good start.

[MacDougall]

Alison is enclave. Doubling down on that one.

If I am enclave who dayvigged c4?

I dunno have you checked whether it was your face?

[MartinGG99]

I'm back here refreshed, and last night I skimmed some of the thread before sleeping, so I am aware of the whole "scum slip" situation with Chop Chop that's simply ridiculous.

why's it ridiculous? tell me more?

Honestly it irked me that people were using buzz words like "Occam's Razor" that he's scum

like wtf

Why is that the most SIMPLEST option to explain his apparent wolfiness or scumminess to people

when he's a new member of the community and not many here know him

Like, why can't he just be a non-optimal villager? Why is that not a suitably simple explanation?

would be a pretty big coincidence for a villa to not only pick a weird target to send a message to, but also leave off the one person who happens to be the mafia night kill off their message. if chop is town, they're the unluckiest townie alive.

slipping as scum is a simpler and more plausible explanation than these many coincidences.

What I'm going to argue is Hanlon's Razor. ChopChop is by far not the brightest of the bunch and considering his tone and and the sense I get from the statements, I feel this is more adequately explained by villager stupidity than Scum stupidity.

I also feel like there's a bunch of energy to him but I also think he's just not sure of how to village along with how he wants to play, as he used to have a completely different villager playstyle several months ago but has recently got more upset over being ML'ed. Hence a recent playstyle change which I can see is very apparent in him right now.

[MartinGG99]

(Sorry for insulting you ChopChop.)

[Marmot]

How much have you caught up Mac?

[MacDougall]

C4 the town who flipped at the end of the first day doesn't clear you of being mafia

[MacDougall]

How much have you caught up Mac?

Oh zero I'm doing first post reads layered with the 2% of content I've read.

[MacDougall]

I'm back here refreshed, and last night I skimmed some of the thread before sleeping, so I am aware of the whole "scum slip" situation with Chop Chop that's simply ridiculous.

why's it ridiculous? tell me more?

Honestly it irked me that people were using buzz words like "Occam's Razor" that he's scum

like wtf

Why is that the most SIMPLEST option to explain his apparent wolfiness or scumminess to people

when he's a new member of the community and not many here know him

Like, why can't he just be a non-optimal villager? Why is that not a suitably simple explanation?

would be a pretty big coincidence for a villa to not only pick a weird target to send a message to, but also leave off the one person who happens to be the mafia night kill off their message. if chop is town, they're the unluckiest townie alive.

slipping as scum is a simpler and more plausible explanation than these many coincidences.

What I'm going to argue is Hanlon's Razor. ChopChop is by far not the brightest of the bunch and considering his tone and and the sense I get from the statements, I feel this is more adequately explained by villager stupidity than Scum stupidity.

I also feel like there's a bunch of energy to him but I also think he's just not sure of how to village along with how he wants to play, as he used to have a completely different villager playstyle several months ago but has recently got more upset over being ML'ed. Hence a recent playstyle change which I can see is very apparent in him right now.

Good toAn

[Spacedaisy]

Oh also. I think Mac and ChopChop could be partners, because Mac would get a kick out of sending a message to SpaceDaisy.

And yes, I am just operating under the assumption that ChopChop is scum rn.

He'd also get a kick out of my response being a big FU. Seriously though, I feel like Mac is weirding me out, has his playstyle changed since I was last playing?

[Alison]

C4 the town who flipped at the end of the first day doesn't clear you of being mafia

It is mechanically confirmed that there are no enclave roles that can dayvig.

[MacDougall]

Dom is probs mafia
Spacedaisy is probs town for town reading a mafia

[Marmot]

How much have you caught up Mac?

Oh zero I'm doing first post reads layered with the 2% of content I've read.

K, cuz 2 people have claimed so far, Alison and ChopChop, and your read on ChopChop suggests you do know what's going on.

[MacDougall]

C4 the town who flipped at the end of the first day doesn't clear you of being mafia

It is mechanically confirmed that there are no enclave roles that can dayvig.

Alright then you win this battle of minds Alison but rest assured my time will come

[Alison]

Martin is 100% town. Take that to the bank.

[MartinGG99]

I'm back here refreshed, and last night I skimmed some of the thread before sleeping, so I am aware of the whole "scum slip" situation with Chop Chop that's simply ridiculous.

why's it ridiculous? tell me more?

Honestly it irked me that people were using buzz words like "Occam's Razor" that he's scum

like wtf

Why is that the most SIMPLEST option to explain his apparent wolfiness or scumminess to people

when he's a new member of the community and not many here know him

Like, why can't he just be a non-optimal villager? Why is that not a suitably simple explanation?

This is my belief too. I agree with your assessment of the conversation around ChopChop. Like as soon as he claimed it I knew I was wrong. Gut punch moment. But Alison's assessment of where we stand isn't wrong. We will probably need to resolve his alignment question.

That is likely true.

But its my personal belief that he's most likely BOS.

If he's scum here then me trying to read him in the future would actually be quite hard tbh unless his meta shifts to something new or has more adjustments to it.

[MacDougall]

How much have you caught up Mac?

Oh zero I'm doing first post reads layered with the 2% of content I've read.

K, cuz 2 people have claimed so far, Alison and ChopChop, and your read on ChopChop suggests you do know what's going on.

When I clicked notifications and read the quote reply I saw someone scumread Chop Chop yes

[MacDougall]

Marmot pushing me is gonna lead to your death so doAn't

[MacDougall]

Alright so if Alison is town then this game should be pretty easy then

[MacDougall]

@Alison who is the obvwolf?

[MacDougall]

Oh yeah Nook is mafia

[Marmot]

Marmot pushing me is gonna lead to your death so doAn't

[MacDougall]

Uh did Epi claim that he and Sloonei are responsible for killing Esooa?

[Alison]

@Alison who is the obvwolf?

ChopChop. Rej.

Dom and Epignosis are in the running. They've both been afk D2 and were in the deepwolf position D1.

Rej has completely vanished like he did in Space Invaders where he got caught instantly which is exactly the same as what's happening right now.

[Alison]

I am temporarily choosing to trust TSP on the strength of SPF's read and his argument about t0an. Marmot has been sassy, which is a towntell for him I think.

[MacDougall]

Falcon do be town I think

[MartinGG99]

martin asking to not get towncred for something towny that he did is a classic martin towntell

That's because when I've done that I've randed town as well recently :<

you're going to force it to inevitably invade my scum meta y'know


Actually, I think I already did that in my 2nd scum game in my mafia career with my OP being full mech talk and asking for no cred because its mech talk.

[Urist]

i would actually be down for executing rej today

[MacDougall]

I am temporarily choosing to trust TSP on the strength of SPF's read and his argument about t0an. Marmot has been sassy, which is a towntell for him I think.

Counterpoint Marmot never rands town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh yeah Nook is mafia

How long do you think it’ll take to shift meta expectations

[MacDougall]

Oh yeah SPF and Urist do be town

[TonyStarkPrime]

Speak of the devil

[Marmot]

I am temporarily choosing to trust TSP on the strength of SPF's read and his argument about t0an. Marmot has been sassy, which is a towntell for him I think.

Counterpoint Marmot never rands town

This is a difficult one to argue

[KZA]

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

[Marmot]

Oh yeah Nook is mafia

How long do you think it’ll take to shift meta expectations

Being in the same but, probably minimum of 2 years.

[MacDougall]

Oh yeah Nook is mafia

How long do you think it’ll take to shift meta expectations

Im not reading you this way for meta reasons. I'm reading you this way because you are Wanda, I am Vision and I can just feel you.

[Alison]

I have a town read on Mac, mostly because he can't really win as scum if he plays like this. His teammates are going to get trampled on and he'll get outed by mech or by "well, we're out of good exes, let's just get rid of the afk". I have seen him blitz out first post reads as scum before (in SI) and he did that with a specific eye to pocketing a specific person via meta. He is pocketing nobody in this game with this behavior. I also just remembered that he said in Bread Mafia he was going to take mafia lowkey for a while because of some arguments he got into in D1.

[Urist]

[VOTE: REJ] aubergine

[Rej]

I want to TR Dom and Sloonei tbh since they ping me the least, I like their handeling of the thread and they are town for me until I see how they handle a mislynch or a successful lynch or anything else that occurs throughout the game/C2+ on

Also I am a mislynch bait, I will be afk now until few hours before EoD. Feel free to ask me or involve me into something.

Also take care of @Poison, unmotivated playstyles are part of her scum meta or she is genuinely busy. Feel free to talk to me Poison-chan!

So I am off for now, maybe up for an answer before I finally hit da pillow.

alright I was expecting some sort of read on me, but this isn't a read at all.

@Rej I'm here, let's talk, we played quite few games together right?

wah, 83 posts
what did I miss? suddenly you are available D2
are you town or do you have scumfriends motivating you to be active? healthy scum dynamics keep you active huh I will be more active tomorrow hopefully
I am slanking and busy lmao

also I just figured out that we mislynched last DP and with it we lost another town
one mafia got night killed, nice I have no clue what's up

[Marmot]

I have a town read on Mac, mostly because he can't really win as scum if he plays like this. His teammates are going to get trampled on and he'll get outed by mech or by "well, we're out of good exes, let's just get rid of the afk". I have seen him blitz out first post reads as scum before (in SI) and he did that with a specific eye to pocketing a specific person via meta. He is pocketing nobody in this game with this behavior. I also just remembered that he said in Bread Mafia he was going to take mafia lowkey for a while because of some arguments he got into in D1.

Fair.

I also got in an argument with Mac Day 2 in Spiderverse.