Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Marmot]

I legitimately think Rej vanishing into thin air when under pressure is outing for him. His tone D1 with the attempt at being overly chill and the use of skeptical emojis to cast shade on attacks against him is congruent with his play in Space Invaders. The argument that he was saved EOD1 checks out.

Rej is scum and should be shot by a vigilante tonight.

What if we lynch him and watch how players react to the wagon?

I am ok with exeing Rej and vigging ChopChop.

Is there another vig?

idk but there's a bunch of potential vigs in the setup so I hope there's at least one. if chopchop doesn't get vigged tonight, we exe him tomorrow. if he's scum he's messenger scum so it's not like he's holding any important abilities.

Good point.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, to

[KZA]

Kza wolf here

[Marmot]

I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, to

You weren't obvious town in your first 10 posts of Simple Arsonist either.

[MartinGG99]

Reading through Nanook I would say gth town tbh.

Maybe I've WIFOM'ed myself into it, but I don't think Nook just says this as scum:

I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me

When he could've used other reasons to defend himself.

[MacDougall]

This entire mac experience you just had was from my shower and prior to that my poop hole.

[Alison]

The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

[staypositivefriend]

I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, toentirety

that isn't my read, and i find it scummy that you're characterizing it that way. i've had a concern about you that has lingered throughout the entirety of your game, and i'm contrasting that with how immediately obviously town you were in the last game we played together. my read is not: "nanook was not town in his first 10 posts, so he's scum"

[MacDougall]

Reading through Nanook I would say gth town tbh.

Maybe I've WIFOM'ed myself into it, but I don't think Nook just says this as scum:

I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me

When he could've used other reasons to defend himself.

Lol

[MacDougall]

The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

Lets go boss

[Alison]

If we are wrong and Rej flips town we probably get a huge amount of spew based off wagonomics around him and ChopChop dies anyway.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, toentirety

that isn't my read, and i find it scummy that you're characterizing it that way. i've had a concern about you that has lingered throughout the entirety of your game, and i'm contrasting that with how immediately obviously town you were in the last game we played together. my read is not: "nanook was not town in his first 10 posts, so he's scum"

You just fucking said it was part of your read

[MacDougall]

Daisy is a much better mafia player than you realise btw

Okay.

Let's say it's within her scum range then. Why is she scum here?

I refuse to commit to this read

[MartinGG99]

I also feel like his fake outburst in GoC on like d1 demonstrates that he as scum likes to be more adamant or likes to put on a stronger show as to why he's (falsely) town to people. This post count reason? Kinda lame-ish.

But I don't have a whole lot of experience with scum Nanook.

[MacDougall]

If we are wrong and Rej flips town we probably get a huge amount of spew based off wagonomics around him and ChopChop dies anyway.

Do we tho?

[Alison]

Reading through Nanook I would say gth town tbh.

Maybe I've WIFOM'ed myself into it, but I don't think Nook just says this as scum:

I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me

When he could've used other reasons to defend himself.

firmly within both his town and scum ranges.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Chop seems like more of a sure thing to me but I think rej is a lot higher than rand mafia so

[MacDougall]

Hes mafia but I promised to town shield him so y'all gonna have kill me first!

[Urist]

The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

enclave can potentially have a doctor, fyi

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I also feel like his fake outburst in GoC on like d1 demonstrates that he as scum likes to be more adamant or likes to put on a stronger show as to why he's (falsely) town to people. This post count reason? Kinda lame-ish.

But I don't have a whole lot of experience with scum Nanook.

Don’t talk about ongoing games

[Alison]

If we are wrong and Rej flips town we probably get a huge amount of spew based off wagonomics around him and ChopChop dies anyway.

Do we tho?

I think so. I'll cross that bridge if and when we get to it; I have no intention of outing what I find to be important spew and letting the mafia construct posts to manipulate it.

[Alison]

The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

enclave can potentially have a doctor, fyi

hm.

that changes things

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hes mafia but I promised to town shield him so y'all gonna have kill me first!

Thanks bb

[staypositivefriend]

I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, toentirety

that isn't my read, and i find it scummy that you're characterizing it that way. i've had a concern about you that has lingered throughout the entirety of your game, and i'm contrasting that with how immediately obviously town you were in the last game we played together. my read is not: "nanook was not town in his first 10 posts, so he's scum"

You just fucking said it was part of your read

i feel like you're deliberately misunderstanding my point, so we should probably drop it if the conversation isnt gonna be productive

[MartinGG99]

I also feel like his fake outburst in GoC on like d1 demonstrates that he as scum likes to be more adamant or likes to put on a stronger show as to why he's (falsely) town to people. This post count reason? Kinda lame-ish.

But I don't have a whole lot of experience with scum Nanook.

Don’t talk about ongoing games

Oh. Shoot.

I forgot it was still running.

[Alison]

maybe we should go back to chop after all.

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

[Urist]

The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

enclave can potentially have a doctor, fyi

hm.

that changes things

actually they're guaranteed to have a one-shot doctor

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, toentirety

that isn't my read, and i find it scummy that you're characterizing it that way. i've had a concern about you that has lingered throughout the entirety of your game, and i'm contrasting that with how immediately obviously town you were in the last game we played together. my read is not: "nanook was not town in his first 10 posts, so he's scum"

You just fucking said it was part of your read

i feel like you're deliberately misunderstanding my point, so we should probably drop it if the conversation isnt gonna be productive

And i feel like you’re throwing a bunch of unreasonable shit at me, so

[Alison]

Nanook, what are the alignments of SPF and Mac, the two people calling for your head?

[Urist]

still think rej is the better execute.
it's possible he is the enclave doctor after all

[staypositivefriend]

i have no issue with killing chopchop today. i am largely voting rej for the sake of science and vanity

[Alison]

can the doctor self protect?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, what are the alignments of SPF and Mac, the two people calling for your head?

No idea

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess I could OMGUS but we’d all know my heart isn’t in it

[Urist]

can the doctor self protect?

no

[Alison]

DOOM is in the game. I forgot that DOOM was in the game.

This is a bad sign because in Bread Mafia she went super saiyan and made herself obvtown. And even when she was being scummy in Bread Mafia she wasn't the completely AWOL kind of scummy.

@DaughterOfOmega where are you?

[KZA]

DOOM is in the game. I forgot that DOOM was in the game.

This is a bad sign because in Bread Mafia she went super saiyan and made herself obvtown. And even when she was being scummy in Bread Mafia she wasn't the completely AWOL kind of scummy.

@DaughterOfOmega where are you?

she's basically claimed NCR

[KZA]

I kinda think she's lying

[Alison]

DOOM is in the game. I forgot that DOOM was in the game.

This is a bad sign because in Bread Mafia she went super saiyan and made herself obvtown. And even when she was being scummy in Bread Mafia she wasn't the completely AWOL kind of scummy.

@DaughterOfOmega where are you?

she's basically claimed NCR

I went through her ISO. I see the soft now. I didn't notice it before.

[KZA]

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

[Alison]

I think scum that try to go UTR don't usually claim power roles early on. If she attempts to back out of claiming NCR we exe her. If night results make it questionable that she's from NCR we exe her. Before that I am not too worried. DOOM also does not strike me as the sort of brash player that just slaps down a fat PR claim immediately as mafia, and it would be unusual for a scum team to instruct her to do that.

[staypositivefriend]

perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town

[MartinGG99]

I could see Rej going either way tbh but I kinda want to lean town in his ISO.

But I don't really see him surviving an FX, while I see better potential in ChopChop.

They're a good slot to resolve mechanically somehow though.

[Alison]

perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town

Why would you be gullible for believing this?

[KZA]

perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town

Why would you be gullible for believing this?

being paranoid about 3 players with big reps is fair imo I do it all the time

[Sloonei]

I have returned. I remain unconvinced that Mac is town.

I have been convinced that Martin is town though.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[Alison]

I think Mac is town.

There is scum out there who saw me and Mac attacking each other early and drooled all over themselves envisioning the two heads of WIMbot getting into a TvT fight hammer and tongs. Who was trying to egg us on against each other?

This agenda seems incompatible with Sloonei's behavior so that looks good for him.

[staypositivefriend]

perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town

Why would you be gullible for believing this?

i've perceived the thread consensus as: "the group of alison/sloonei/mac is not pure" for a while now

[Alison]

I have returned. I remain unconvinced that Mac is town.

I have been convinced that Martin is town though.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I wrote up a couple of posts explaining why I townread him. He's being productive now and his reads don't look bad to me. People have testified that there are plausible reasons to believe he would step back from mafia based on his past couple of games. What's your concern?

[Alison]

perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town

Why would you be gullible for believing this?

i've perceived the thread consensus as: "the group of alison/sloonei/mac is not pure" for a while now

My perception of the thread consensus is that myself and Sloonei have been widely townread with a couple of tinfoils, and Mac has been widely suspected but became more trusted after he re-entered the thread.