Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Made]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

Imagine there are two wolves left, and both are basically outed or deep in the PoE, and they're up against like 15 town who are mostly getting cleared or heavily townread.

How do they play it? Do they try to associate themselves by working together in thread or agreeing with each other or even just staying casually neutral? Or do they go for the hard distance?

My post is from day 2

[Master Radishes]

Conclusion is one of the two Ted or Sloonei was busing Wilgy/HK?

One of those was early game when there's a lot of noise and wolves are trying to establish their credentials.

One of those is in a desperate mid game situation where they are likely the last two left.

There's a pretty distinct difference.

[Master Radishes]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

Imagine there are two wolves left, and both are basically outed or deep in the PoE, and they're up against like 15 town who are mostly getting cleared or heavily townread.

How do they play it? Do they try to associate themselves by working together in thread or agreeing with each other or even just staying casually neutral? Or do they go for the hard distance?

My post is from day 2

Oh, I should probably read things.

I mean, so what though? Ted gives a scumread on a slanky scum partner...yeah, that makes sense? That's what wolves do.

[Syn]

Wilgy, point out mafia if it’s not you.

Based on events yesterday, I still have a sinking feeling when it comes to HK, especially in terms of people who actively pushed for me over scum.

I'm not sure if it's just frustration, but I'm also ready to yeet MR and Syn.

MR's action towards me yesterday that added chaos to the thread is still odd. MR, did you target anyone last night and did they confirm?

Sloonei was after HK a lot. Seems very not teamed imo. Do you think it’s different?

MR green checked.

Syn, no mech, but started the Marmot wagon. Doubt he’s scum, peeersonally

I'm starting to worry that



might have become

[hollowkatt]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

Imagine there are two wolves left, and both are basically outed or deep in the PoE, and they're up against like 15 town who are mostly getting cleared or heavily townread.

How do they play it? Do they try to associate themselves by working together in thread or agreeing with each other or even just staying casually neutral? Or do they go for the hard distance?

I think you have to go for hard distancing here. Like if they work together and appear paired as soon as one goes over the other goes as well. If they distance like that they introduce doubt that wasn't there organically and would bank on that doubt.

[Master Radishes]

Of all the reasons I have to townread people (aka trustfall) I have better reasons for everyone else other than Wilgy.

[hollowkatt]

Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

[Kylemii]

Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

[Made]

Day 3

voted wilgy now and i really have to go, it’s 3AM

laterz

hyena, wilgy is a likely scum candidate fmpov so it doesn’t mean much yet

Day 4

ah i thought EoD was in 4 hours

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

Only day Ted doesn’t mention Wilgy is day 5. That doesn’t mean it’s for sure NOT a bus, but it was a strong consistent push @Master Radishes

[Syn]

LC has mech confirmation and the dunking of Ted to make up for not submitting night actions

Wilgy not submitting when his survival literally hinges on using his ability is something else

[Syn]

Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

i actually haven't ever watched a full episode of it

[Master Radishes]

Day 3

voted wilgy now and i really have to go, it’s 3AM

laterz

hyena, wilgy is a likely scum candidate fmpov so it doesn’t mean much yet

Day 4

ah i thought EoD was in 4 hours

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

Only day Ted doesn’t mention Wilgy is day 5. That doesn’t mean it’s for sure NOT a bus, but it was a strong consistent push @Master Radishes

I just don't see anything that changes my mind.

Wilgy is a PoE regular, but no one ever seriously started a wagon on him because there were better, more active options. Wilgy wasn't in danger. And Ted never pushes Wilgy.

I'm not saying this is a lock. But who else is it?

[Made]

Woah wait, brain blast

@Michelle who did you scum sus day0? If you got your vote power removed, maybe it was cuz you were after someone bad who hasn’t been discovered yet

[Timsup2nothin]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

Imagine there are two wolves left, and both are basically outed or deep in the PoE, and they're up against like 15 town who are mostly getting cleared or heavily townread.

How do they play it? Do they try to associate themselves by working together in thread or agreeing with each other or even just staying casually neutral? Or do they go for the hard distance?

In some how to play mafia books this is called the "deep or die"...last two wolves go all out at each other knowing that whichever doesn't die is automatically deep.

[Syn]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

Imagine there are two wolves left, and both are basically outed or deep in the PoE, and they're up against like 15 town who are mostly getting cleared or heavily townread.

How do they play it? Do they try to associate themselves by working together in thread or agreeing with each other or even just staying casually neutral? Or do they go for the hard distance?

In some how to play mafia books this is called the "deep or die"...last two wolves go all out at each other knowing that whichever doesn't die is automatically deep.

they have libraries in the hinterlands?

[Made]

Day 3

voted wilgy now and i really have to go, it’s 3AM

laterz

hyena, wilgy is a likely scum candidate fmpov so it doesn’t mean much yet

Day 4

ah i thought EoD was in 4 hours

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

Only day Ted doesn’t mention Wilgy is day 5. That doesn’t mean it’s for sure NOT a bus, but it was a strong consistent push @Master Radishes

I just don't see anything that changes my mind.

Wilgy is a PoE regular, but no one ever seriously started a wagon on him because there were better, more active options. Wilgy wasn't in danger. And Ted never pushes Wilgy.

I'm not saying this is a lock. But who else is it?

Wilgy was in danger yesterday. Obviously yesterday is poisoned by anti spew probably, but Wilgy isn’t a open shut book is all I’m trying to getting at. What’s different between this and Dizzy’s push for you? Maybe we can make some headway there

[Master Radishes]

Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

i actually haven't ever watched a full episode of it

Have you ever seen a Joe Pesci movie?

[Timsup2nothin]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

Imagine there are two wolves left, and both are basically outed or deep in the PoE, and they're up against like 15 town who are mostly getting cleared or heavily townread.

How do they play it? Do they try to associate themselves by working together in thread or agreeing with each other or even just staying casually neutral? Or do they go for the hard distance?

In some how to play mafia books this is called the "deep or die"...last two wolves go all out at each other knowing that whichever doesn't die is automatically deep.

they have libraries in the hinterlands?

I read on line...keeps me a step up on the rest if the rubes

[Master Radishes]

Day 3

voted wilgy now and i really have to go, it’s 3AM

laterz

hyena, wilgy is a likely scum candidate fmpov so it doesn’t mean much yet

Day 4

ah i thought EoD was in 4 hours

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

Only day Ted doesn’t mention Wilgy is day 5. That doesn’t mean it’s for sure NOT a bus, but it was a strong consistent push @Master Radishes

I just don't see anything that changes my mind.

Wilgy is a PoE regular, but no one ever seriously started a wagon on him because there were better, more active options. Wilgy wasn't in danger. And Ted never pushes Wilgy.

I'm not saying this is a lock. But who else is it?

Wilgy was in danger yesterday. Obviously yesterday is poisoned by anti spew probably, but Wilgy isn’t a open shut book is all I’m trying to getting at. What’s different between this and Dizzy’s push for you? Maybe we can make some headway there

Right...he was in danger on the day w!Wilgy and Ted are being sussed out. So they hard push each other for distance.

I'm just saying it's not hard to imagine this, and I don't see any better candidates anyway.


What do you mean Dizzy's push for me?

[Justplayingitcool]

Imagine not watching home alone. Ground for a yeeting imo

[hollowkatt]

Day 3

voted wilgy now and i really have to go, it’s 3AM

laterz

hyena, wilgy is a likely scum candidate fmpov so it doesn’t mean much yet

Day 4

ah i thought EoD was in 4 hours

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

Only day Ted doesn’t mention Wilgy is day 5. That doesn’t mean it’s for sure NOT a bus, but it was a strong consistent push @Master Radishes

I just don't see anything that changes my mind.

Wilgy is a PoE regular, but no one ever seriously started a wagon on him because there were better, more active options. Wilgy wasn't in danger. And Ted never pushes Wilgy.

I'm not saying this is a lock. But who else is it?

Ted was originally on Wiggly yesterday, right? And then shifted to Made to try to get wiggly to follow him, but then wiggly votes Ted at the end of the day.. Hmm, gotta think about this I think

[Made]

And I doubt it's HK either. I agree he fits the conventional profile of what a scum in D7 might look like - less present than others, less engaged, less involved, etc. But Sloonei really wanted him dead D1/D2. Like, more than your standard distancing tactics, I think. And you take into account Sloonei's treatment of Cat, Nanook, Marmot, and Ted, all of which he barely interacted with...

HK remains PoE by virtue of others being more clear, but man, I doubt it.

Didn’t mean dizzy, I meant HK, my bad

[Syn]

Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

i actually haven't ever watched a full episode of it

Have you ever seen a Joe Pesci movie?

i might have seen home alone a long time ago

let's check imdb

oh hey lethal weapon

that's it

[Master Radishes]

And I doubt it's HK either. I agree he fits the conventional profile of what a scum in D7 might look like - less present than others, less engaged, less involved, etc. But Sloonei really wanted him dead D1/D2. Like, more than your standard distancing tactics, I think. And you take into account Sloonei's treatment of Cat, Nanook, Marmot, and Ted, all of which he barely interacted with...

HK remains PoE by virtue of others being more clear, but man, I doubt it.

Didn’t mean dizzy, I meant HK, my bad

Do you mean why can't Sloonei/HK be w/w if I'm saying Ted/Wilgy could be?

Context. Sloonei's hard push came early in the game when teammate Cat was under the gun. Sloonei did not interact in this way with four other known scum. This is therefore a wolf pushing a hopefully easy townie mischop (Thunal was under fire due to Dya on D1.)

[Master Radishes]

Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

i actually haven't ever watched a full episode of it

Have you ever seen a Joe Pesci movie?

i might have seen home alone a long time ago

let's check imdb

oh hey lethal weapon

that's it

Syn fam

I know you've talked about your life and all

But go watch Home Alone and Simpsons Seasons 1-8 and bank up your cultural capital.

[hollowkatt]

[Made]

Yeah, early game chop of Thunal/HK would of been pretty easy. Hmm.

Bet im cool with Wilgy chop
[VOTE: The Doctor] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Also, and this may just be me projecting or reading into something that's not there, but HK feels more comfortable in the thread now.

If he's the last wolf and up against like 8 clear townies and only 2-4 possible mischops ahead of him, he would not be comfortable. He might try to affect being so, but there's be a bit of tension behind it.

[Master Radishes]

Yeah, early game chop of Thunal/HK would of been pretty easy. Hmm.

Bet im cool with Wilgy chop
[VOTE: The Doctor] aubergine

If I'm wrong I promise to listen to you next round.

Or actually I'll probably be dead, but I'll listen from the grave.

[Michelle]

confident town: - ignoring mechanics these people are playing townie games
tim
syn
dizzy
hyena
jpic
kyle
LC
HK

not confident town: - people in this bucket are mechanically likely to be town, but their play isn't filling me with confidence.
MR
Michelle
tutuu
made

not town: - obvs bucket is obvs.
alison
wiggly

Explain your reads for your not confident town pls
You can start with me, because i happen to have TMI on the slot

nobody in the second bucket reads as town to me. The reason they're not in the "not town" bucket is because I'm told they're town for some reason or another.
Basically, I don't like your tunnel on tutuu, I think it's anti-town and I worry you're missing bigger picture things b/c of your focus.
Tutuu is abrasive, intransigent, and playing difficult on purpose. she's also apparently mech town.
MR I've already explained, and Made my understanding is they've been mechanically likely town, but their play, especially over the last couple days, ain't good. And his POE is ugh bad.

This means you cannot read me in this game?

[Made]

Yeah, early game chop of Thunal/HK would of been pretty easy. Hmm.

Bet im cool with Wilgy chop
[VOTE: The Doctor] aubergine

If I'm wrong I promise to listen to you next round.

Or actually I'll probably be dead, but I'll listen from the grave.

Fwiw, it seems they have good wifi down there

[Syn]

host revenge is turning this game mountainous in the final stretch

i said nice things and they were all

"we won't stand for that"

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah, early game chop of Thunal/HK would of been pretty easy. Hmm.

Bet im cool with Wilgy chop
[VOTE: The Doctor] aubergine

If I'm wrong I promise to listen to you next round.

Or actually I'll probably be dead, but I'll listen from the grave.

One of us better be dead by N9.

Just saying.

By then you'll be begging me to shoot you.

[Made]

Are mountainous games across the board disliked?

[Kylemii]

Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

i actually haven't ever watched a full episode of it

i watched a couple episodes in high school for an english assignment on... something

[Master Radishes]

Are mountainous games across the board disliked?

Mountainous is the only way to play

Spoiler: show

Or with JOATs.

[Master Radishes]

Yeah, early game chop of Thunal/HK would of been pretty easy. Hmm.

Bet im cool with Wilgy chop
[VOTE: The Doctor] aubergine

If I'm wrong I promise to listen to you next round.

Or actually I'll probably be dead, but I'll listen from the grave.

One of us better be dead by N9.

Just saying.

By then you'll be begging me to shoot you.

I'll self-direct.

[Syn]

Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

i actually haven't ever watched a full episode of it

i watched a couple episodes in high school for an english assignment on... something

steamed hams?

[Michelle]

Woah wait, brain blast

@Michelle who did you scum sus day0? If you got your vote power removed, maybe it was cuz you were after someone bad who hasn’t been discovered yet

Sloonei was my scum read, plus Radishes, and i had a funny mix in my head with another game and I said Esooa is the third scum.
That other game finished a while ago and i explained the mistake pretty late, because i could create OGI in the other game by saying here what happened.

[Master Radishes]

I actually did nearly target Tim with my redirection onto himself.

I can't remember why I switched it around.

[Kylemii]

Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

i actually haven't ever watched a full episode of it

Have you ever seen a Joe Pesci movie?

I thought he was good in the lord of the rings the two towers

[Hyena]

Alright, I think I'm ready to play now. Hi all!

[Michelle]

Day 3

voted wilgy now and i really have to go, it’s 3AM

laterz

hyena, wilgy is a likely scum candidate fmpov so it doesn’t mean much yet

Day 4

ah i thought EoD was in 4 hours

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

Only day Ted doesn’t mention Wilgy is day 5. That doesn’t mean it’s for sure NOT a bus, but it was a strong consistent push @Master Radishes

I just don't see anything that changes my mind.

Wilgy is a PoE regular, but no one ever seriously started a wagon on him because there were better, more active options. Wilgy wasn't in danger. And Ted never pushes Wilgy.

I'm not saying this is a lock. But who else is it?

Ted pushed Wilgy, just not tunneled him.
First Wilgy push is the one i quoted and was pretty soon afer Ted subbed in.
Doesn't look like distancing and probably makes me doubt the vote on Wilgy the most.

[Hyena]

Alright, I think I'm ready to play now. Hi all!

Also, yes, I saw that Jack and Tony flipped town earlier!

[Master Radishes]

Ted pushed Wilgy, just not tunneled him.
First Wilgy push is the one i quoted and was pretty soon afer Ted subbed in.
Doesn't look like distancing and probably makes me doubt the vote on Wilgy the most.

I mean, it could just be not Wilgy.

But then who is it?

[Michelle]

Alright, I think I'm ready to play now. Hi all!

Hi, share little sanity because looks like i need some.
Where is your head at?

[Master Radishes]

I'll say it again generally to the thread,

As the person currently most pushing Wilgy, I'm not saying it's a slam dunk case.

But who, if not him? We have really good reasons for not scumreading so many other people.

[Michelle]

Ted pushed Wilgy, just not tunneled him.
First Wilgy push is the one i quoted and was pretty soon afer Ted subbed in.
Doesn't look like distancing and probably makes me doubt the vote on Wilgy the most.

I mean, it could just be not Wilgy.

But then who is it?

Tutuu is my natural answer.
But i am not sure... Idk...
Being midnight I will check in the morning Ted's Iso and Sloonei's, probably Marmot's too.
I think Cat's Iso is pretty analised

What do you think about the wagonomics idea i posted today?

[Master Radishes]

What do you think about the wagonomics idea i posted today?

About the wagons on D1?

If it helps you, keep doing it. But wagonomics are impossible to decipher on D1 in a 27-person game, in my opinion. Too many WIFOM possibilities about what scum would or would not be doing.


One conclusion I can draw from looking at your posts is just that it matches what I've said before: there was no big 'wolf plan' from the wolf team; instead, they all were playing individual, stay-under-the-radar games. They were each just playing to keep their head down and survive for a few rounds. The only one who made any sort of manipulative push was Ted, and not until he was outed in D6/D7. Your vote counts reflect that, as they are very spread out across different wagons in D1.

But I don't think this observation helps us solve anything right now.

[Syn]

maybe they're all lost wolves lel