Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Alison]

if rej actually just came in and made one or two posts and dipped i agree with alison's assessment/comparison to SI

I'm not going to do Rej's scum game the discourtesy of just saying "we'll sort by post count and be done with it". I'm comparing him to SI on a bunch of metrics, including depth of engagement with the game, general discomfort, attempts to blend in, and the way he tries to deflect pressure off himself by using emojis and a sheepish tone. Those things fit.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I on the other hand will say that some amount of sort by postcount applies in this case

[Urist]

Also I have hair

I had a full beard when I was 23, it was glorious
Sadly it was not meant to be

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also I have hair

I had a full beard when I was 23, it was glorious
Sadly it was not meant to be

rip

[Urist]

Hot take: falcon voted alison bc he didn't want to be voting for rej any more.
Oh look rej and chop are tied now

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: urist] aubergine for emphasis

[Alison]

I have good news and bad news.

The bad news is that Urist and nanook are the same person, and scumreading nanook for not explaining his reads in-depth is silly. Also, scumreading SPF for getting annoyed when people aren't listening to her or acknowledging her viewpoint is silly.

The good news is that I don't see either of those concerns as looking like a wolf cooking up a reason to kill a townie, and I don't think Urist/Sloonei are in the same team, nor do I think DOOM and SPF are in the same team. So DOOM and Sloonei get points from me.

Who are your Top 5 Scum?

ChopChop, Rej, Epignosis, Dom, and Poison.

I've raised issue with Epi's slanking. Tell me, is this is normal town game? What gets him on your scum radar?

There are a lot of good players this game and all of them were very wrong on D1. The gamestate is suggestive of a deepwolf biding their time through D1 and gently guiding town towards bad exes. Viewing the game holistically, Epignosis checks all the boxes for that role. He was cleared for reasons which, although seeming good at the time, on reflection appear to be rather flimsy. He generated some content early D1, but dropped off sharply, especially after he attained a consensus townread. He silently pushed narratives that weren't really questioned, and made a show of interrogating players, but we aren't privy to what conclusions he arrived at or why. Nobody has shown interest in pushing him or raising tinfoil or suspicion on him, despite tinfoil or suspicion being raised on damn near everyone else.

This evidence is suggestive that Epignosis is a deepwolf working with a team to cover up for him as he slips UTR and gets acknowledged as a consensus townread without people questioning why. Therefore I suspect him.

[falcon45ca]

Hot take: falcon voted alison bc he didn't want to be voting for rej any more.
Oh look rej and chop are tied now

Nah, I'm voting Alison so she doesn't get her intimidator ability.



This song syncs up with your cats profile pic perfectly

[falcon45ca]

I have good news and bad news.

The bad news is that Urist and nanook are the same person, and scumreading nanook for not explaining his reads in-depth is silly. Also, scumreading SPF for getting annoyed when people aren't listening to her or acknowledging her viewpoint is silly.

The good news is that I don't see either of those concerns as looking like a wolf cooking up a reason to kill a townie, and I don't think Urist/Sloonei are in the same team, nor do I think DOOM and SPF are in the same team. So DOOM and Sloonei get points from me.

Who are your Top 5 Scum?

ChopChop, Rej, Epignosis, Dom, and Poison.

I've raised issue with Epi's slanking. Tell me, is this is normal town game? What gets him on your scum radar?

There are a lot of good players this game and all of them were very wrong on D1. The gamestate is suggestive of a deepwolf biding their time through D1 and gently guiding town towards bad exes. Viewing the game holistically, Epignosis checks all the boxes for that role. He was cleared for reasons which, although seeming good at the time, on reflection appear to be rather flimsy. He generated some content early D1, but dropped off sharply, especially after he attained a consensus townread. He silently pushed narratives that weren't really questioned, and made a show of interrogating players, but we aren't privy to what conclusions he arrived at or why. Nobody has shown interest in pushing him or raising tinfoil or suspicion on him, despite tinfoil or suspicion being raised on damn near everyone else.

This evidence is suggestive that Epignosis is a deepwolf working with a team to cover up for him as he slips UTR and gets acknowledged as a consensus townread without people questioning why. Therefore I suspect him.

Pretty damn solid reasoning here

[Alison]

Falcon if you weren't voting me who would you vote?

[falcon45ca]

Falcon if you weren't voting me who would you vote?

Rej. Grogu is a close second.

[Epignosis]

[Alison]

Falcon if you weren't voting me who would you vote?

Rej. Grogu is a close second.

Why not Chop?

[Alison]

That emoji was unintentional lol

[falcon45ca]

Falcon if you weren't voting me who would you vote?

Rej. Grogu is a close second.

Why not Chop?

While I find Chop sus, I just have a nagging feeling he's not scum. Just a gut read

[Epignosis]

[DaughterOfOmega]

"While my brain tells me that a player is sus, I decided to hear out what my gut had to say. I heard it rumble twice (which I decided meant chop town) although I have not eaten dinner and these rumbles could also mean I am hungry. Though I am full confidence in my gut!"

[Long Con]

I have good news and bad news.

The bad news is that Urist and nanook are the same person, and scumreading nanook for not explaining his reads in-depth is silly. Also, scumreading SPF for getting annoyed when people aren't listening to her or acknowledging her viewpoint is silly.

The good news is that I don't see either of those concerns as looking like a wolf cooking up a reason to kill a townie, and I don't think Urist/Sloonei are in the same team, nor do I think DOOM and SPF are in the same team. So DOOM and Sloonei get points from me.

Who are your Top 5 Scum?

ChopChop, Rej, Epignosis, Dom, and Poison.

I really don't think Dom is bad. Epi doesn't need to go right now. Poison can get yeeted just fine. ChopChop is zany, Rej... I dunno.

I wanna see what's on the disc!

[TonyStarkPrime]

I can't click on info

[falcon45ca]

"While my brain tells me that a player is sus, I decided to hear out what my gut had to say. I heard it rumble twice (which I decided meant chop town) although I have not eaten dinner and these rumbles could also mean I am hungry. Though I am full confidence in my gut!"

I feel a lil' targeted by this...

[Epignosis]

[Gavial]

Every decision you make in a mafia game is to increase the probability of achieving your win condition. You save scum teammates because they can help you reach parity, or they have useful abilities, or they have good thread control/presence, or some combination of the three. ChopChop will never help a mafia team reach parity because he will never survive to the point where parity is being counted. We know that if he's scum he doesn't have exciting abilities. And he is so widely distrusted that he has no thread influence.

Therefore you hard bus.

You underestimate me.
Trying to softly say I’m a bad player no matter what role I am.

[Gavial]

Thought Alison SR’ed Tony.
Guess it might have actually been signalling.

[Sloonei]

Thought Alison SR’ed Tony.
Guess it might have actually been signalling.

what does this mean?

[Gavial]

Anyway, @staypositivefriend
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.

[Long Con]

I think meta on Mac, and perhaps lack thereof on Chop, is probably a factor. Also, the quality and flavour of their unhelpfulness is markedly different.

[Sloonei]

If your gonna tell me you would ignore it and not claim at all.
We both know that’s BS.

That would probably be my response, tbh.

But more importantly, I am still unclear on why you chose the strategy that you did. Why did you want to target a null read to "get more info on them"? Why not targeting a town read to help clear yourself? Why did you fish for daisy's role? Why relay your reads to her so that she could act as your mouthpiece? And why Daisy out of all the "null reads" in the game?

@ChopChop i would appreciate an answer to this barrage of questions if you could. please and thanks

[Long Con]

Anyway, @staypositivefriend
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.

Why is that dumb? I'm flavourless VT.

[Sloonei]

Anyway, @staypositivefriend
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.

I also said I'd do that and I'm literally and indisputably the best mafia player in the world.

[Gavial]

Like it makes more sense to pick a different fake claim then stick with one that’d make me look sus.

Now if your like Alison that would fake claim in my position, then that’s a horrible approach considering I’m just super scummy later on because my flavourless VT claim would make zero sense

[Gavial]

Anyway, @staypositivefriend
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.

I also said I'd do that and I'm literally and indisputably the best mafia player in the world.

That’s the stupidest thing to do.
As soon as you claim, you die.

[staypositivefriend]

Anyway, @staypositivefriend
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.

if this is an argument for why youre town, it means very little to me because it's ultimately just wifom

i am more interested in hearing your general impressions and reads

[TonyStarkPrime]

ftr while we're piling on i would also be using the shaggy defense here

[Sloonei]

Anyway, @staypositivefriend
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.

I also said I'd do that and I'm literally and indisputably the best mafia player in the world.

That’s the stupidest thing to do.
As soon as you claim, you die.

Actually what I said was that i wouldn't claim at all.

[Sloonei]

If your gonna tell me you would ignore it and not claim at all.
We both know that’s BS.

That would probably be my response, tbh.

But more importantly, I am still unclear on why you chose the strategy that you did. Why did you want to target a null read to "get more info on them"? Why not targeting a town read to help clear yourself? Why did you fish for daisy's role? Why relay your reads to her so that she could act as your mouthpiece? And why Daisy out of all the "null reads" in the game?

@ChopChop i would appreciate an answer to this barrage of questions if you could. please and thanks

I care a thousand times more about this than a What If scenario.

[Gavial]

WOW YEAH!
Why don’t I hide my fuckin role like a shady shit and then when asked for my role claim something that absolutely makes no sense so I can be Yeeted late game and lose the game for town.


YA!
What a great idea!

[TonyStarkPrime]

"darn that sure looks scummy. it's a good thing I didn't send that message because then I'd be a wolf"

[Sloonei]

WOW YEAH!
Why don’t I hide my fuckin role like a shady shit and then when asked for my role claim something that absolutely makes no sense so I can be Yeeted late game and lose the game for town.


YA!
What a great idea!

This is not a productive area of discussion.

[Epignosis]

[Gavial]

If your gonna tell me you would ignore it and not claim at all.
We both know that’s BS.

That would probably be my response, tbh.

But more importantly, I am still unclear on why you chose the strategy that you did. Why did you want to target a null read to "get more info on them"? Why not targeting a town read to help clear yourself? Why did you fish for daisy's role? Why relay your reads to her so that she could act as your mouthpiece? And why Daisy out of all the "null reads" in the game?

@ChopChop i would appreciate an answer to this barrage of questions if you could. please and thanks

I care a thousand times more about this than a What If scenario.

I chose my null read to see if I can get a positive read on them through my action.
Sorta using it like an alignment cop.
I asked Daisy to post what I did to see how they go about it and conclude with it.
Like scum may go about the relay reads different then a Townie would.
I didn’t entirely “fish” what I was doing is kinda using that part as a “Jailor/Prince” type role where I get their role and no one else. So when they can trust me enough they would semi-claim role. Then when I trust them 100% I would mention Slash somewhere in my next post.

[Gavial]

I mean can’t really say why exactly Daisy rather then, would like more from Daisy so I’ll choose her.

[Gavial]

"darn that sure looks scummy. it's a good thing I didn't send that message because then I'd be a wolf"

I feel like this was something I said sarcastically and you quoted it but I can’t remember.

Honestly, if someone asked me what the last 5 posts I made where I would probably tip that hat, look confused and walk away.

[KZA]

Just give us some reads man

[Gavial]

Just give us some reads man

I’ve given multiple.
Any specific read/reads you want?

[KZA]

Just give us some reads man

I’ve given multiple.
Any specific read/reads you want?

Just a quick summary of any stronger ones would work best for me

[Epignosis]

[falcon45ca]

Agreed. Don't see Chop writing the letter & coping to it if he's a Wolf

[Gavial]

Just give us some reads man

I’ve given multiple.
Any specific read/reads you want?

Just a quick summary of any stronger ones would work best for me

Jack - Scum
Falcon - Town
Urist - Lean Town
Jack - Lean Scum
Daisy - Leany Town
EPig - Leany Null Town

[Gavial]

Tony - Scum*
Sorry.

[Gavial]

Tony strongest Scum Read
Falcon strongest Town Read