Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Scirrus]

JJJ do you have any phresh thoughts

Alison can only be on a mafia team with Epi i think, if they decided to fake the cop/protect shtick. But if that were the case, why would still not kill anyone, or kill Marmot? Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going.

So probably not that

Alternatively Alison decides to do some no kill gambit for this game regardless of her partners. But why? I'm not sure if the benefits outway the cost of that, especially for the first night

[Epignosis]

For what it's worth, I blocked Enrique.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll see what splints has to say about a block or anyone else with mechanical theories for another failed kill.

Otherwise my fresh thoughts are I'm going to kill the people not sending actions.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I hid behind Grogu.

Enrique block could work. Sure. Why not.

[Epignosis]

I am believing in myself.

And I'll tell you what made me pick Enrique. This:

Reading the JJJ-Epi dialogue the first time I didn't think much of it. I saw it as, precisely as JJJ says, just an exercise to draw out discussion. It's true that Epi hasn't been back or contributed more but I don't like that Jay has only been treating it more seriously. I would have been more concerned if Epi came back and doubled down first.

So out of the three people that currently have votes - Epi, Marmot, JJJ, I would vote for JimmyJay. reywaS wasn't a bad option either.

What's that? Lettuce see.

[Epignosis]

Damn it. Meant to say [VOTE: Enrique] aubergine in that post but I don't care.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah. Enrique is probably teamed with reywaS. The other three tossed into the salad are [probably] civilians. [VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

[Epignosis]

I am going to burn just one post recommending El Chavo Mango & Habanero Cider from Blake's Hard Cider Co. Sweet + Heat. Excellent stuff.

[fingersplints]

I'll see what splints has to say about a block or anyone else with mechanical theories for another failed kill.

Otherwise my fresh thoughts are I'm going to kill the people not sending actions.

I blocked scirrus. I was hoping to test if he claimed civ vig but was actually the mafia kill but dunno with Epi’s block and inactivity out there.

[Scirrus]

I'll see what splints has to say about a block or anyone else with mechanical theories for another failed kill.

Otherwise my fresh thoughts are I'm going to kill the people not sending actions.

I blocked scirrus. I was hoping to test if he claimed civ vig but was actually the mafia kill but dunno with Epi’s block and inactivity out there.

I was a civ vig before and i'm a civ vig now. Well, a 0-shot vig anyway

I don't know if I think the enrique block was block either, tbh.

The LC block makes me not wanna blindly trust them

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At the very least that pair of blocks and a non-kill support the general world view Alison has promoted -- Enrique and Scirrus as suspects.

[Epignosis]

I'll see what splints has to say about a block or anyone else with mechanical theories for another failed kill.

Otherwise my fresh thoughts are I'm going to kill the people not sending actions.

I blocked scirrus. I was hoping to test if he claimed civ vig but was actually the mafia kill but dunno with Epi’s block and inactivity out there.

I was a civ vig before and i'm a civ vig now. Well, a 0-shot vig anyway

I don't know if I think the enrique block was block either, tbh.

The LC block makes me not wanna blindly trust them

I don't understand this post. Rephrase please.

[Scirrus]

Town is being lead astray here

Who hasn't claimed? I think everyone who hasn't claimed should claim now.

@Enrique @Poison @reywaS @Grogu

I think these are the nonclaims, apologies if you claimed and i haven't seen it

[Scirrus]

I'll see what splints has to say about a block or anyone else with mechanical theories for another failed kill.

Otherwise my fresh thoughts are I'm going to kill the people not sending actions.

I blocked scirrus. I was hoping to test if he claimed civ vig but was actually the mafia kill but dunno with Epi’s block and inactivity out there.

I was a civ vig before and i'm a civ vig now. Well, a 0-shot vig anyway

I don't know if I think the enrique block was block either, tbh.

The LC block makes me not wanna blindly trust them

"block was block" yeah lol sorry

i meant:

"I don't know if the enrique block was a block on mafia"

The LC block led us to believe that we caught mafia which caused on pile on and nothing much happened for the rest of D2. Which I don't want to repeat itself.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I tend to view the game as follows:

reywaS and/or Grogu are mafia. They fit on any team and offer their own explanations for two non-kills.

[Alison OR Scirrus] + Enrique rounds it out if any rounding is needed.

[Scirrus]

I tend to view the game as follows:

reywaS and/or Grogu are mafia. They fit on any team and offer their own explanations for two non-kills.

[Alison OR Scirrus] + Enrique rounds it out if any rounding is needed.

If Alison was on a team with Grogu/reywas, wouldn't she have made the kill herself? She would have deliberately chosen to not kill if she is mafia, right? Unless i'm understanding this wrong

[Enrique]

Town is being lead astray here

Who hasn't claimed? I think everyone who hasn't claimed should claim now.

@Enrique @Poison @reywaS @Grogu

I think these are the nonclaims, apologies if you claimed and i haven't seen it

yeah why not. i have an extra vote. tie me with rewyaS and we’ll be rid of a scum

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I tend to view the game as follows:

reywaS and/or Grogu are mafia. They fit on any team and offer their own explanations for two non-kills.

[Alison OR Scirrus] + Enrique rounds it out if any rounding is needed.

If Alison was on a team with Grogu/reywas, wouldn't she have made the kill herself? She would have deliberately chosen to not kill if she is mafia, right? Unless i'm understanding this wrong

If she's on a team with both of them, then yes more or less -- she'd have to kill herself, rely on Grogu to show up, or abstain deliberately. This dynamic isn't necessary for an [Alison, Enrique, no-show] team with just one of reywaS or Grogu. Enrique carries here and gets blocked. She can theoretically also be teamed with you and the same applies.

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[Enrique]

if they never kill anybody and i *still* don’t make it to the end somehow i’m gonna be so pissed lmao

[fingersplints]

I tend to view the game as follows:

reywaS and/or Grogu are mafia. They fit on any team and offer their own explanations for two non-kills.

[Alison OR Scirrus] + Enrique rounds it out if any rounding is needed.

Do you think Poison is town then?

I pretty much agree to this. I’m going to vote grogu for now, as reywas should be modkilled anyways.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Poison is a civilian. Could be wrong. She definitely isn't missing kills or being blocked or making role claims that seem functionally pointless.

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

[Scirrus]

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

I'm down for competing wagons

not confident if this will get Grogu to show up but maybe he is that type of player, i dunno

i wrote weapons instead of wagons when typing this up, that also sounds fun

[Enrique]

There’s two players in my POE (Grogu, reywaS) who are highly unlikely to have submitted a night action, and possibly no mafia kill. Could easily be a coincidence, it could also just be that dumb of a situation.

If rey isn’t gonna show I at least want to turn the heat up on @Grogu tomorrow. I want to see this game from his eyes.

this

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

[fingersplints]

How many mafia members does everyone think realistically there are?

I’m a bit concerned we are looking at 3, and we are leaving more active one out there to focus on the potential low posting ones. But I’m also a bit hesitant to have a repeat of the long con lynch

[Epignosis]

How many mafia members does everyone think realistically there are?

I’m a bit concerned we are looking at 3, and we are leaving more active one out there to focus on the potential low posting ones. But I’m also a bit hesitant to have a repeat of the long con lynch

Given the roles I'd say it's 9-3. If there's an independent, 9-2-1.

You can't have a repeat of the LC lynch because LC has already been lynched.

[Scirrus]

The quickness of Grogu wagon is noted. Is it relevant? Who knows

@Poison would really like you to get in here and share your thoughts on stuff.

[Scirrus]

@Alison I know you seem convinced it has to be, but in the event that is not (which is the case), what alternative do you think is most likely here, given the roles and night actions at play?

[Epignosis]

I'm not accepting this.

There was a kill N1. That was Marmot. Someone sent that in. Who was it?

I block Enrique and there's no kill and people are voting Grogu?

[Epignosis]

Why not lynch the active mafia member, huh?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not accepting this.

There was a kill N1. That was Marmot. Someone sent that in. Who was it?

I block Enrique and there's no kill and people are voting Grogu?

Scirrus killed Marmot, whatever you think of his motivations or his role claim. If you think that kill was a mafia kill period, then Scirrus would be confirmed as mafia, yes? The confirmation would be more conclusive than for Enrique?

I don't think the mafia team has killed anyone in this game. The only possible alternative requires Scirrus to be mafia.

I don't really care if Enrique is an option too today. That's fine. But I don't think your block is especially more meaningful than splints' was on LC yesterday or is on Scirrus today. Hell, that would add another dimension to the case against Scirrus.

[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

[Scirrus]

There’s two players in my POE (Grogu, reywaS) who are highly unlikely to have submitted a night action, and possibly no mafia kill. Could easily be a coincidence, it could also just be that dumb of a situation.

If rey isn’t gonna show I at least want to turn the heat up on @Grogu tomorrow. I want to see this game from his eyes.

this

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

I'm torn because I really don't like him bringing in this quote in order to justify joining the Grogu wagon

but on the other I've also liked most of Enrique's content this game

[Epignosis]

My brain is mush. Forgot that Scirrus claimed the Marmot kill. Sorry.

[Scirrus]

[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

Maybe since my reads have been shit all game I should just do the opposite

I don't know. I'll come back before EoD

[Enrique]

if the blockers want to alternate nights making sure i never kill anyone that’s fine by me because as i’ve made clear, i don’t have a night power. if we lynch grogu today and he’s scum that’s even better.

make sure grogu and i are tied and he’ll die, because that’s my role, my vote counts for two. i wish i had something that was more obviously town but i didn’t choose it, so that’s as much as i can do.

[Enrique]

if i do die today i want it to stay on the record that sometimes as a civ i use multiple players’ names in a single paragraph and it won’t tell you my alignment~~

[JaggedJimmyJay]

if i do die today i want it to stay on the record that sometimes as a civ i use multiple players’ names in a single paragraph and it won’t tell you my alignment~~

My vote's not locked Enrique, so I'll still be thinking about it even while I don't post. I kinda hope this roster is one man lighter before EOD.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There's a non-zero part of me that wants to murder Epignosis for taking player salad seriously.

[Enrique]

Plenty of other things could have happened but when I saw that there was no kill tonight it really made me go.... oh... so the mafia isn’t playing this game... and that’s essentially how I still feel. I would feel very embarrassed to lose at this point.

[Epignosis]

There's a non-zero part of me that wants to murder Epignosis for taking player salad seriously.

Spoiler: show

[Grogu]

Long con was town. He seem pretty straightforward

[Grogu]

Did we figure out the night kill stuff?
Is Enrique scum because of that?

[Grogu]

I also saw the claim of 50/50 insane and cop thing. I don’t really believe that to be honest.

[Grogu]

I'm not accepting this.

There was a kill N1. That was Marmot. Someone sent that in. Who was it?

I block Enrique and there's no kill and people are voting Grogu?

I can clear myself and die.
We need to vote Enrique here, he doesn’t sound truthful on his push of me.
He’s hoping I flip scum and just trying to buy a day.
Vote enrique

[Poison]

Hi hello I'm alive. I'll catch up I'm sorry too much stuff kinda giving me concussion. At first I'll just reply to the mentions.

The quickness of Grogu wagon is noted. Is it relevant? Who knows

@Poison would really like you to get in here and share your thoughts on stuff.

I will do that now, I need to read the thread though.

Town is being lead astray here

Who hasn't claimed? I think everyone who hasn't claimed should claim now.

@Enrique @Poison @reywaS @Grogu

I think these are the nonclaims, apologies if you claimed and i haven't seen it

Oh I can claim. I am the tracker. I tracked JJJ night 1 bot I got no results from reways.

[Alison]

I tend to view the game as follows:

reywaS and/or Grogu are mafia. They fit on any team and offer their own explanations for two non-kills.

[Alison OR Scirrus] + Enrique rounds it out if any rounding is needed.

It is not sane to attribute a no kill to a completely afk mafia team when two blocks happened

[Alison]

I'll see what splints has to say about a block or anyone else with mechanical theories for another failed kill.

Otherwise my fresh thoughts are I'm going to kill the people not sending actions.

I blocked scirrus. I was hoping to test if he claimed civ vig but was actually the mafia kill but dunno with Epi’s block and inactivity out there.

I was a civ vig before and i'm a civ vig now. Well, a 0-shot vig anyway

I don't know if I think the enrique block was block either, tbh.

The LC block makes me not wanna blindly trust them

"block was block" yeah lol sorry

i meant:

"I don't know if the enrique block was a block on mafia"

The LC block led us to believe that we caught mafia which caused on pile on and nothing much happened for the rest of D2. Which I don't want to repeat itself.

The LC block wasn't a hit because Epi protected me. If mafia wasn't blocked, why was there a nokill?

You are trying to use what happened D2 to stop town from voting you after you got caught trying to carry you. JJJ is a possible partner. The alternative is Enrique, who can still be partnered with you, but might be partnered with Grogu or Poison or reywas instead.

[Alison]

I'm not accepting this.

There was a kill N1. That was Marmot. Someone sent that in. Who was it?

I block Enrique and there's no kill and people are voting Grogu?

Yes. It is completely insane to be voting afks when we have a caught scum between Scirrus and Enrique.

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

[Alison]

I can't get over this. Anyone who looks at a nokill + two claimed roleblocks and thjnks mafia was afk is out of their minds or TMI-ing like crazy. Someone give me a dayvig so I can gun down Scirrus and exe Enrique.

[fingersplints]

I'm not accepting this.

There was a kill N1. That was Marmot. Someone sent that in. Who was it?

I block Enrique and there's no kill and people are voting Grogu?

Yes. It is completely insane to be voting afks when we have a caught scum between Scirrus and Enrique.

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

It’s not completely insane. There are probably two or three mafia. That means some of these inactives ARE mafia where someone like Enrique MAYBE mafia. I feel we can eliminate one this day (grogu), I will block Enrique and then have another day to vote him if there isn’t another kill to confirm this and/or reywas hasn’t been modkilled at that point.

You seem to still believe that the N1 kill was stopped by Epi’s protection of you which would mean you would have to believe scirrus role claim still? So why would you vote there?

[Alison]

As long as one mafia member is active, they aren't sending in nokills. So yes it is insane.

Scirrus can be a mafia vigilante.

We should always vote the mechanically outed scum. Always.