Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Kylemii]

@DrWilgy you're voting for Tim instead of Made?

[Kylemii]

this vote array is problematic because I don't care which person gets yeeted but I want to vote for the person on the counter wagon without accidentally countering the wagon

[hollowkatt]

The Tim voters should know better by now. and that they don't is problematic at best, wolf indicative at worst.

[Justplayingitcool]

Can someone explain why I am at the bottom of Tutuu's read list?

On a scale from 1 to 10 how concerned are you about her read compared with the others' who are voting you?

I rank them all about the same, which is to say they are all ridiculous.

Radishes gets it. My play here has been perfectly consistent with my claimed role, right up to my choices of shots, and one of those shots was Radishes. If he can follow it and recognize that I have played pure town, from start right up to trying to kill him how can anyone else still be puzzling over it?

ive tried to shoot two town and i was roleblocked on the night there was no kill from the scum, i then chose to reveal that i in fact have a second shot that i was hiding all along, i also share about how tricky i am as wolf, but wow, how can anyone still be puzzling to find me as town?

Sure, I shot at two towns. Bad me.

One of those towns had just been railed by the outgoing chop who flipped cop. I put to you that anyone with a vig shot as town at that point that chose not to shoot you would have been making a terrible play. Kyle claims a green check on you that he believes in, and he did hit a wolf, so great...otherwise I'd have been all over him. But to say me shooting at you was wolfy is absurd. You were red checked by a dead cop as far as I was concerned. If I was a wolf I'd have been planning to bury you with that in broad daylight, not wasting a night kill on you.

If you look at my ISO from day six, I spent the run up to EoD shopping. What I was in the market for was any concrete reason to take Radishes out of the POE. I thought I was too obvious and Radishes actually figured out I was gonna shoot him. But I know I was obvious enough that if you go back and look you will see it. We were down to a small POE, Radishes was in it, and it was my job to shoot someone in it. End of story.

As to "I was role blocked on the night there was no kill"...seriously, so what? The only intelligent target for wolves on that night was Jack. TSP protected Jack. Me getting role blocked has nothing to do with any of that. None of that has anything to do with me at all.

C'mon Tutuu, look at facts. Sure, I have "made wolfy posts." Sure, I've aggravated the "town core." I don't deny any of that. I am also a town vig that is still alive at day seven. Gosh, why have I been acting so wolfy? There's an obvious answer...that's what kept me alive.

Now, the things that are gonna get in my way are running down I think. Role blocks, thieving Kyles, all that... So on night NINE I will probably actually shoot someone. History says that I will take a very town sided shot. The wolf does not want me to take that shot, so the wolf has to burn a kill on me. That may spare Radishes or some other confirmed town from the NK, maybe even you. Don't wolf side by killing me for the wolf.

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[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Also a reminder to get the votes above 5

[Kylemii]

Tim is town, yeah.

[Kylemii]

if Tim isn't town then this is the prestige move of the century

[Kylemii]

not to inflate his ego lol

[Kylemii]

low-key want made to get yeeted so I can see firsthand what btsc with horrible consequences looks like

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: made btw] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy just to be clear, if we yeet made instead tonight and I choose stefan instead of carl, what happens? what's the worst thing that could happen

Don't do that. May as well reveal all since I might not have time to be back before eod.

My power is to turn someone into Carl or myself into Stefan. I've stated multiple times I won't Stefan due to a negative.
~Carl is a rolechecker simple and clean
~Stefan is abit more weird. Stefan can btsc someone, BUT whoever I'm with in BTSC will flip red regardless of alignment.

I didn't want scum to know my full power in chance they start messing with flips via Stefan BTSC, but oh well at this point.

I hope that I'm the only power role that can affect flip outcomes. I'd think it'd be very powerful in scum hands.

[Syn]

maybe this game is bastard after all

[Kylemii]

okay but who the heck are Carl and Stefan

[DrWilgy]

okay but who the heck are Carl and Stefan

Characters from my role's flavor

[DrWilgy]

Any other questions before I return to work hell and die?

[Michelle]

@DrWilgy just to be clear, if we yeet made instead tonight and I choose stefan instead of carl, what happens? what's the worst thing that could happen

Don't do that. May as well reveal all since I might not have time to be back before eod.

My power is to turn someone into Carl or myself into Stefan. I've stated multiple times I won't Stefan due to a negative.
~Carl is a rolechecker simple and clean
~Stefan is abit more weird. Stefan can btsc someone, BUT whoever I'm with in BTSC will flip red regardless of alignment.

I didn't want scum to know my full power in chance they start messing with flips via Stefan BTSC, but oh well at this point.

I hope that I'm the only power role that can affect flip outcomes. I'd think it'd be very powerful in scum hands.

Geez..
What do you think about everyone?

[Dyslexicon]

O.o

Is this why we have mafia flips all the time? O.o

[Kylemii]

Any other questions before I return to work hell and die?

how are you doing? have you seen a good movie recently?

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy just to be clear, if we yeet made instead tonight and I choose stefan instead of carl, what happens? what's the worst thing that could happen

Don't do that. May as well reveal all since I might not have time to be back before eod.

My power is to turn someone into Carl or myself into Stefan. I've stated multiple times I won't Stefan due to a negative.
~Carl is a rolechecker simple and clean
~Stefan is abit more weird. Stefan can btsc someone, BUT whoever I'm with in BTSC will flip red regardless of alignment.

I didn't want scum to know my full power in chance they start messing with flips via Stefan BTSC, but oh well at this point.

I hope that I'm the only power role that can affect flip outcomes. I'd think it'd be very powerful in scum hands.

Geez..
What do you think about everyone?

As far as I'm aware, there is still not enough Data on Made, Dizzy, JPIC, and you. It was my understanding that Tutuu, LC, Tim and MR can't be scum right? Kyle, Alison 3p. Syn's ISO needs to be reviewed re the Marmot yeet. Don't know why HK is clear, but for some reason they were cleared too in my head. Not sure how Hyena was cleared as well but I have them as a civ in my head (also just town read them for some reason).

Ultimately this game is too big and I need a chance to review (good thing I'm dying before the weekend lol).

I was hoping to have time to review everyone's claims, roles and so on but am afraid work takes the priority today. If I have time after work, I will.

I still stand by my truth, mechanics are sneaky bastards, they are your friend until they are done with you.

[DrWilgy]

O.o

Is this why we have mafia flips all the time? O.o

I hope not, by keeping my power a secret, I was hoping to prevent the use of any form of flip shenanigans for as long as possible.

[Dyslexicon]

@DrWilgy You cleared Michelle for having my role - the result you got. I have my role. Do you think it's clearing?

[Kylemii]

@DrWilgy just to be clear, if we yeet made instead tonight and I choose stefan instead of carl, what happens? what's the worst thing that could happen

Don't do that. May as well reveal all since I might not have time to be back before eod.

My power is to turn someone into Carl or myself into Stefan. I've stated multiple times I won't Stefan due to a negative.
~Carl is a rolechecker simple and clean
~Stefan is abit more weird. Stefan can btsc someone, BUT whoever I'm with in BTSC will flip red regardless of alignment.

I didn't want scum to know my full power in chance they start messing with flips via Stefan BTSC, but oh well at this point.

I hope that I'm the only power role that can affect flip outcomes. I'd think it'd be very powerful in scum hands.

flip red regardless of alignment, forever??? or just while the btsc is happening

and are we talking about like yeet flips or role checks and alignment checks and stuff like that too?

[DrWilgy]

Any other questions before I return to work hell and die?

how are you doing? have you seen a good movie recently?

Kinda stressed out tbh. Work has been hell for the past week and I'm slowly approaching closing on my first home. Still glad I get to play mafia with y'all though. Was thinking about quitting afew months ago to handle my life, but y'all cuties keep pulling me back in.

[Dyslexicon]

O.o

Is this why we have mafia flips all the time? O.o

I hope not, by keeping my power a secret, I was hoping to prevent the use of any form of flip shenanigans for as long as possible.

I mean, if you haven't used your power, it would be impossible for it to have affected flips, right?

[Michelle]

O.o

Is this why we have mafia flips all the time? O.o

Is there any red flip with a role not suited for mafia?

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy You cleared Michelle for having my role - the result you got. I have my role. Do you think it's clearing?

No, I revoke the clear on Michelle when I realized it was yours. I don't think I actually vocalized that, but there were more pressing matters at the time.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm like ...

How do people have powers that wild, when I have a simple one shot.

But then Nutella's power seemed pretty wild.

[Syn]

O.o

Is this why we have mafia flips all the time? O.o

I hope not, by keeping my power a secret, I was hoping to prevent the use of any form of flip shenanigans for as long as possible.

are you trying to imply that the wolves have been secretly stealing your ability all game and using it on people to manipulate wolf flips

and somehow nobody has mentioned this mysterious BTSC?

c'mon lol

[Dyslexicon]

@DrWilgy You cleared Michelle for having my role - the result you got. I have my role. Do you think it's clearing?

No, I revoke the clear on Michelle when I realized it was yours. I don't think I actually vocalized that, but there were more pressing matters at the time.

But do you think it's clearing for me?

I have a reason to clear Michelle. And that is Ted targeted her with either vote steal or switcher.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy just to be clear, if we yeet made instead tonight and I choose stefan instead of carl, what happens? what's the worst thing that could happen

Don't do that. May as well reveal all since I might not have time to be back before eod.

My power is to turn someone into Carl or myself into Stefan. I've stated multiple times I won't Stefan due to a negative.
~Carl is a rolechecker simple and clean
~Stefan is abit more weird. Stefan can btsc someone, BUT whoever I'm with in BTSC will flip red regardless of alignment.

I didn't want scum to know my full power in chance they start messing with flips via Stefan BTSC, but oh well at this point.

I hope that I'm the only power role that can affect flip outcomes. I'd think it'd be very powerful in scum hands.

flip red regardless of alignment, forever??? or just while the btsc is happening

and are we talking about like yeet flips or role checks and alignment checks and stuff like that too?

I guess I kinda just assumed it was during btsc only? I'll get back to this one after reading my card in a second.

[Dyslexicon]

[Kylemii]

O.o

Is this why we have mafia flips all the time? O.o

I hope not, by keeping my power a secret, I was hoping to prevent the use of any form of flip shenanigans for as long as possible.

are you trying to imply that the wolves have been secretly stealing your ability all game and using it on people to manipulate wolf flips

and somehow nobody has mentioned this mysterious BTSC?

c'mon lol

it's physically impossible but this would be as hilarious as it would be devastating lol

[DrWilgy]

O.o

Is this why we have mafia flips all the time? O.o

I hope not, by keeping my power a secret, I was hoping to prevent the use of any form of flip shenanigans for as long as possible.

I mean, if you haven't used your power, it would be impossible for it to have affected flips, right?

That is my understanding, also as far as I can tell there have been no unexpected BTSC's resulting in others potentially using this power, so I haven't been too afraid of it. Shared mostly because Kyle asked and I no longer feel like fighting.

[DrWilgy]

O.o

Is this why we have mafia flips all the time? O.o

I hope not, by keeping my power a secret, I was hoping to prevent the use of any form of flip shenanigans for as long as possible.

are you trying to imply that the wolves have been secretly stealing your ability all game and using it on people to manipulate wolf flips

and somehow nobody has mentioned this mysterious BTSC?

c'mon lol

See above, the lack of btsc makes me not as afraid. I however, didn't want to open the possibility of power manipulation which is why it was kept hidden.

[Dyslexicon]

That power seems bastard and very obviously anti-town.

Imagine you are town.
"Here. This power makes you have btsc with somone. But it will make them flip red regardless of alignment. Good luck!"

When would you ever use that power? It's super anti-town. It obscured the alignment to whoever flips, and the upside is that you can have a private little chat with them?

[Dyslexicon]

I'm thinking Wilgy is most likely mafia role cop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy just to be clear, if we yeet made instead tonight and I choose stefan instead of carl, what happens? what's the worst thing that could happen

Don't do that. May as well reveal all since I might not have time to be back before eod.

My power is to turn someone into Carl or myself into Stefan. I've stated multiple times I won't Stefan due to a negative.
~Carl is a rolechecker simple and clean
~Stefan is abit more weird. Stefan can btsc someone, BUT whoever I'm with in BTSC will flip red regardless of alignment.

I didn't want scum to know my full power in chance they start messing with flips via Stefan BTSC, but oh well at this point.

I hope that I'm the only power role that can affect flip outcomes. I'd think it'd be very powerful in scum hands.

flip red regardless of alignment, forever??? or just while the btsc is happening

and are we talking about like yeet flips or role checks and alignment checks and stuff like that too?

I guess I kinda just assumed it was during btsc only? I'll get back to this one after reading my card in a second.

Ok, further, it's if someone dies in this state of being or affected by Stefan. So me and whoever I'm in BTSC with will be red until reversion.

[DrWilgy]

That power seems bastard and very obviously anti-town.

Imagine you are town.
"Here. This power makes you have btsc with somone. But it will make them flip red regardless of alignment. Good luck!"

When would you ever use that power? It's super anti-town. It obscured the alignment to whoever flips, and the upside is that you can have a private little chat with them?

Exactly my thinking. Which is why I thought this was likely included to be manipulated some how and holstered mostly.

[DrWilgy]

I'm thinking Wilgy is most likely mafia role cop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don't blame you for this.

Just wish I'd get some credit for reading Sloonei correctly and fending off Ted. I think that's why I was so damn frustrated yesterday lol.

[Dyslexicon]

Who comes up with this shit lol

[DrWilgy]

Who comes up with this shit lol

I blame some demented people that I like to spend time with online.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm thinking Wilgy is most likely mafia role cop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don't blame you for this.

Just wish I'd get some credit for reading Sloonei correctly and fending off Ted. I think that's why I was so damn frustrated yesterday lol.

If you flip town, you have all my creds.

Honestly, it's hard to believe you right now.

[Timsup2nothin]

maybe this game is bastard after all

Maybe it's just about the bastards we met along the way?

[DrWilgy]

Y'all are smart enough to read beyond mechanics and clears. Even If I'm yeeted, I just think it means my negative won't be abused and you should be able to win. I think town will win, even if I'm dead.

Keep an eye on Michelle for me when I'm gone.

[DrWilgy]

Also, if you have time, I'd kindly ask for you to try to think about the game if it didn't clears so far. Who'd you sus and so on.

[Kylemii]

if wilgy is town and telling the truth, this is an antitown power and i understand why he'd holster at least the btsc part of it.

if he's mafia he could be telling the truth or just inventing something that fits his previous claims, and even if he's telling the 100% truth, holstering the btsc thing would probably still make sense

[Timsup2nothin]

Can someone explain why I am at the bottom of Tutuu's read list?

On a scale from 1 to 10 how concerned are you about her read compared with the others' who are voting you?

I rank them all about the same, which is to say they are all ridiculous.

Radishes gets it. My play here has been perfectly consistent with my claimed role, right up to my choices of shots, and one of those shots was Radishes. If he can follow it and recognize that I have played pure town, from start right up to trying to kill him how can anyone else still be puzzling over it?

ive tried to shoot two town and i was roleblocked on the night there was no kill from the scum, i then chose to reveal that i in fact have a second shot that i was hiding all along, i also share about how tricky i am as wolf, but wow, how can anyone still be puzzling to find me as town?

Sure, I shot at two towns. Bad me.

One of those towns had just been railed by the outgoing chop who flipped cop. I put to you that anyone with a vig shot as town at that point that chose not to shoot you would have been making a terrible play. Kyle claims a green check on you that he believes in, and he did hit a wolf, so great...otherwise I'd have been all over him. But to say me shooting at you was wolfy is absurd. You were red checked by a dead cop as far as I was concerned. If I was a wolf I'd have been planning to bury you with that in broad daylight, not wasting a night kill on you.

If you look at my ISO from day six, I spent the run up to EoD shopping. What I was in the market for was any concrete reason to take Radishes out of the POE. I thought I was too obvious and Radishes actually figured out I was gonna shoot him. But I know I was obvious enough that if you go back and look you will see it. We were down to a small POE, Radishes was in it, and it was my job to shoot someone in it. End of story.

As to "I was role blocked on the night there was no kill"...seriously, so what? The only intelligent target for wolves on that night was Jack. TSP protected Jack. Me getting role blocked has nothing to do with any of that. None of that has anything to do with me at all.

C'mon Tutuu, look at facts. Sure, I have "made wolfy posts." Sure, I've aggravated the "town core." I don't deny any of that. I am also a town vig that is still alive at day seven. Gosh, why have I been acting so wolfy? There's an obvious answer...that's what kept me alive.

Now, the things that are gonna get in my way are running down I think. Role blocks, thieving Kyles, all that... So on night NINE I will probably actually shoot someone. History says that I will take a very town sided shot. The wolf does not want me to take that shot, so the wolf has to burn a kill on me. That may spare Radishes or some other confirmed town from the NK, maybe even you. Don't wolf side by killing me for the wolf.

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Eight?

I was going for double figures there.

I am disappoint.

[Kylemii]

could made's busdrive be responsible for wilgy getting dizzy's role instead of michelle's? was he accounted for that night

[Justplayingitcool]

I don't believe wilgy for a second lmao

[DrWilgy]

27 player game. 1 scum left if any right?