Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Poison]

K we're gonna win this game

scum declares a game win. why are we not nuking tsp?

i already won you can't

Wherever you think I claimed mafia, it’s no different then this post of yours here.

nah you town

[Gavial]

Also no piece of mafia jargon makes me yell at clouds more than "wim." Just say either "effort", you damn kids.

I’d say it’s more motivation then effort.

[Gavial]

I don't need the Slaver dead to win the game so Alison is locktown according to my outlook no matter how you slice it.

Great so you want the Slaver to end game and hurt BOS.
Noted.
Your my enemy now.

[Sloonei]

Also no piece of mafia jargon makes me yell at clouds more than "wim." Just say either "effort", you damn kids.

I’d say it’s more motivation then effort.

fair enough. just say motivation then.

[Sloonei]

I don't need the Slaver dead to win the game so Alison is locktown according to my outlook no matter how you slice it.

Great so you want the Slaver to end game and hurt BOS.
Noted.
Your my enemy now.

no

[Gavial]

Your above Jack for sure now.

Goes
Open Wolf
Tony the Dorky
You
Slaver
Jackorini

[Gavial]

I don't need the Slaver dead to win the game so Alison is locktown according to my outlook no matter how you slice it.

Great so you want the Slaver to end game and hurt BOS.
Noted.
Your my enemy now.

no

You legit just said your treating them like a survivor.
Did you not?

[TonyStarkPrime]

im just sober enough taht tony the dorky can hurt my feelings

[Sloonei]

I don't need the Slaver dead to win the game so Alison is locktown according to my outlook no matter how you slice it.

Great so you want the Slaver to end game and hurt BOS.
Noted.
Your my enemy now.

no

You legit just said your treating them like a survivor.
Did you not?

If you're gonna do this then Tony is allowed to say you claimed mafia yesterday.

[Gavial]

im just sober enough taht tony the dorky can hurt my feelings

You hurt my feelings when you decided to choose me to fake tunnel.

[Poison]

imagine jjj killing jjj .i just saw this and i cannot stop laughing.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Guys slaver doesn’t have to be TKed cause vault city has to NK them

[TonyStarkPrime]

im just sober enough taht tony the dorky can hurt my feelings

You hurt my feelings when you decided to choose me to fake tunnel.

you said I'm not tunneling you anymore though

[TonyStarkPrime]

Guys slaver doesn’t have to be TKed cause vault city has to NK them

this makes up 10 percent of my iso

[TonyStarkPrime]

it's hopeless

[Sloonei]

im just sober enough taht tony the dorky can hurt my feelings

You hurt my feelings when you decided to choose me to fake tunnel.

why have you singled tsp out for tunneling you?

[Poison]

im just sober enough taht tony the dorky can hurt my feelings

You hurt my feelings when you decided to choose me to fake tunnel.

stop being towny and tell me if nannok is a good guy here or not

[TonyStarkPrime]

im just sober enough taht tony the dorky can hurt my feelings

You hurt my feelings when you decided to choose me to fake tunnel.

why have you singled tsp out for tunneling you?

to be fair I've done a lot more of it than other people

[Gavial]

I don't need the Slaver dead to win the game so Alison is locktown according to my outlook no matter how you slice it.

Great so you want the Slaver to end game and hurt BOS.
Noted.
Your my enemy now.

no

You legit just said your treating them like a survivor.
Did you not?

If you're gonna do this then Tony is allowed to say you claimed mafia yesterday.

I’m not allowed to state what you just said or else Tony can say I claimed Mafia yesterday?
TF is this?
Do you deny that what you just said about Alison is how you would treat a survivor?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

it's hopeless

I’m inclined to townread you if only because I desperately want there to be town who have read at least the basics of the setup

[Gavial]

Because if you not going to deny it we are gonna have some problems.

[Sloonei]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

[Gavial]

If you deny it I’ll explain to you how it exactly is like that.


Either way, we gonna have some problems.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

the lack of other kills or a poison is >alison 3p indicative imo.

[Sloonei]

I don't need the Slaver dead to win the game so Alison is locktown according to my outlook no matter how you slice it.

Great so you want the Slaver to end game and hurt BOS.
Noted.
Your my enemy now.

no

You legit just said your treating them like a survivor.
Did you not?

If you're gonna do this then Tony is allowed to say you claimed mafia yesterday.

I’m not allowed to state what you just said or else Tony can say I claimed Mafia yesterday?
TF is this?
Do you deny that what you just said about Alison is how you would treat a survivor?

I am a member of a faction that does not need the Slaver dead in order to win.

[Sloonei]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

the lack of other kills or a poison is >alison 3p indicative imo.

what? and also, why?

[Poison]

I don't need the Slaver dead to win the game so Alison is locktown according to my outlook no matter how you slice it.

Great so you want the Slaver to end game and hurt BOS.
Noted.
Your my enemy now.

no

You legit just said your treating them like a survivor.
Did you not?

If you're gonna do this then Tony is allowed to say you claimed mafia yesterday.

I’m not allowed to state what you just said or else Tony can say I claimed Mafia yesterday?
TF is this?
Do you deny that what you just said about Alison is how you would treat a survivor?

I am a member of a faction that does not need the Slaver dead in order to win.

you are the slaver, probably. kek.

[Gavial]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

That is also probably what is saving Alison from their death.

Let’s assume we remove all Vault City and Alison is still alive.
At that point from your perspective (if your town) you don’t care if Alison lives or dies but they definitely are no priority. Thus you treat them as a Survivor.

As such you are defying the town known as BOS, Arroyo and Redding.
That I so happen to belong to.

Now as such you don’t have to win with the other town so alternatively are aren’t entirely supporting town as a whole but rather just your own factional group.

[Sloonei]

i've already openly claimed my faction a few times, if anyone cares or is paying attention.

[Gavial]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

the lack of other kills or a poison is >alison 3p indicative imo.

what? and also, why?

It means exactly what I told you before.
Alison signalled to Tony and Tony knows they are Slaver.

[Sloonei]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

That is also probably what is saving Alison from their death.

Let’s assume we remove all Vault City and Alison is still alive.
At that point from your perspective (if your town) you don’t care if Alison lives or dies but they definitely are no priority. Thus you treat them as a Survivor.

As such you are defying the town known as BOS, Arroyo and Redding.
That I so happen to belong to.

Now as such you don’t have to win with the other town so alternatively are aren’t entirely supporting town as a whole but rather just your own factional group.

i would be willing to help other town factions by removing the slaver if we were in a position to do so. but i am not interested in making that happen when we have not touched the enclave yet, and Vault City is also still out there.

And also I don't think Alison is even the Slaver.

[Gavial]

i've already openly claimed my faction a few times, if anyone cares or is paying attention.

Cool.
If your not going to hard claim, this is a pointless post.

[Sloonei]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

the lack of other kills or a poison is >alison 3p indicative imo.

what? and also, why?

It means exactly what I told you before.
Alison signalled to Tony and Tony knows they are Slaver.

[Gavial]

If you think that’s suppose to mean something, it doesn’t.

[Marmot]

imagine jjj killing jjj .i just saw this and i cannot stop laughing.

[Sloonei]

If you think that’s suppose to mean something, it doesn’t.

i do not understand what you think is happening.

[Gavial]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

That is also probably what is saving Alison from their death.

Let’s assume we remove all Vault City and Alison is still alive.
At that point from your perspective (if your town) you don’t care if Alison lives or dies but they definitely are no priority. Thus you treat them as a Survivor.

As such you are defying the town known as BOS, Arroyo and Redding.
That I so happen to belong to.

Now as such you don’t have to win with the other town so alternatively are aren’t entirely supporting town as a whole but rather just your own factional group.

i would be willing to help other town factions by removing the slaver if we were in a position to do so. but i am not interested in making that happen when we have not touched the enclave yet, and Vault City is also still out there.

And also I don't think Alison is even the Slaver.

If you still hold this thought late game with Alison still alive, your either Scum or Really Really REALLY terrible town.

[Sloonei]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

That is also probably what is saving Alison from their death.

Let’s assume we remove all Vault City and Alison is still alive.
At that point from your perspective (if your town) you don’t care if Alison lives or dies but they definitely are no priority. Thus you treat them as a Survivor.

As such you are defying the town known as BOS, Arroyo and Redding.
That I so happen to belong to.

Now as such you don’t have to win with the other town so alternatively are aren’t entirely supporting town as a whole but rather just your own factional group.

i would be willing to help other town factions by removing the slaver if we were in a position to do so. but i am not interested in making that happen when we have not touched the enclave yet, and Vault City is also still out there.

And also I don't think Alison is even the Slaver.

If you still hold this thought late game with Alison still alive, your either Scum or Really Really REALLY terrible town.

Noted, thanks.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

the lack of other kills or a poison is >alison 3p indicative imo.

what? and also, why?

Basically 1) VC should have shot alison last night and if alison were not metzger she would have died. maybe they holstered for some reason but balance of probability against. or a block or whatever.
2) if I were the other 3p I would have used a poison n1 barring my life being at risk. no one died on day 2 from poison. now maybe they're saving shots, but every day that goes by without someone dying from a poison it seems more likely that metzger is the slaver in the game
3) there hasn't been another day kill which would save alison from being the 3p. Now, if I were metzger I wouldn't use it but I might have used it on day 1.
(and 4 i actually think falcon probably had something and I wanna skirt around talking directly about modkills but like the idea that falcon just misread one post is questionable to me)

Spoiler: show

and 5 if I say it and mean it VC will go along

[TonyStarkPrime]

chop either thinks I'm VC and want town to chop alison so I can win which is why I'm telling town to not worry about alison or thinks I'm enclave and am trying to protect alison by openly claiming she's probably the slaver and that she should be killed and I'm just very confused by this

[Sloonei]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

the lack of other kills or a poison is >alison 3p indicative imo.

what? and also, why?

Basically 1) VC should have shot alison last night and if alison were not metzger she would have died. maybe they holstered for some reason but balance of probability against. or a block or whatever.
2) if I were the other 3p I would have used a poison n1 barring my life being at risk. no one died on day 2 from poison. now maybe they're saving shots, but every day that goes by without someone dying from a poison it seems more likely that metzger is the slaver in the game
3) there hasn't been another day kill which would save alison from being the 3p. Now, if I were metzger I wouldn't use it but I might have used it on day 1.
(and 4 i actually think falcon probably had something and I wanna skirt around talking directly about modkills but like the idea that falcon just misread one post is questionable to me)

Spoiler: show

and 5 if I say it and mean it VC will go along

I follow.

But I still struggle to accept that Alison plays Days 1 & 2 the way that she did if she's Metzger.

[TonyStarkPrime]

like if alison signalled to me this would be ... in the thread?

[Sloonei]

Although I should ask @Alison why it was the optimal play to shoot c4 on Day 1?

[Gavial]

chop either thinks I'm VC and want town to chop alison so I can win which is why I'm telling town to not worry about alison or thinks I'm enclave and am trying to protect alison by openly claiming she's probably the slaver and that she should be killed and I'm just very confused by this

I don’t know how you would ever come to the conclusion I’d think your Vault City here.

You are like dead obvious Enclave.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The following factions need the Slaver dead to win:

Brotherhood of Steel, Arroyo, Redding, Vault City.

Vault City is a mafia faction with access to three kills, presumably two remaining. They will need to kill the Slaver for us if they want to win.

And on a separate but related note, the entire reason we have for suspecting that Alison might be the Slaver is a misinformed push by Falcon, who is now flipped and confirmed to have been an independent role that needed Alison's claimed faction (New Reno) dead in order to win.

the lack of other kills or a poison is >alison 3p indicative imo.

what? and also, why?

Basically 1) VC should have shot alison last night and if alison were not metzger she would have died. maybe they holstered for some reason but balance of probability against. or a block or whatever.
2) if I were the other 3p I would have used a poison n1 barring my life being at risk. no one died on day 2 from poison. now maybe they're saving shots, but every day that goes by without someone dying from a poison it seems more likely that metzger is the slaver in the game
3) there hasn't been another day kill which would save alison from being the 3p. Now, if I were metzger I wouldn't use it but I might have used it on day 1.
(and 4 i actually think falcon probably had something and I wanna skirt around talking directly about modkills but like the idea that falcon just misread one post is questionable to me)

Spoiler: show

and 5 if I say it and mean it VC will go along

I follow.

But I still struggle to accept that Alison plays Days 1 & 2 the way that she did if she's Metzger.

I think this is reasonable. I don't think it's a guarantee. But also, it's Alison. If she has eldridge as a fakeclaim I 100 percent buy that she would at least think to do it this way. I would never have doubted if falcon hadn't done falcon stuff.

[TonyStarkPrime]

chop either thinks I'm VC and want town to chop alison so I can win which is why I'm telling town to not worry about alison or thinks I'm enclave and am trying to protect alison by openly claiming she's probably the slaver and that she should be killed and I'm just very confused by this

I don’t know how you would ever come to the conclusion I’d think your Vault City here.

You are like dead obvious Enclave.

if I'm enclave and me and alison formed some sort of secret pact then wouldn't i be telling sloonei that alison is clearly town

[TonyStarkPrime]

not engaging

[Gavial]

Did anyone target Alison like ever?
Would like to confirm them as Slaver to stop all doubt towards it.

[Gavial]

chop either thinks I'm VC and want town to chop alison so I can win which is why I'm telling town to not worry about alison or thinks I'm enclave and am trying to protect alison by openly claiming she's probably the slaver and that she should be killed and I'm just very confused by this

I don’t know how you would ever come to the conclusion I’d think your Vault City here.

You are like dead obvious Enclave.

if I'm enclave and me and alison formed some sort of secret pact then wouldn't i be telling sloonei that alison is clearly town

Nope, because you want to look good without actually doing anything action wise.

[TonyStarkPrime]

think KZA softed to have targeted alison n1 @KZA is this true