Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Kylemii]

so what's happening with made? i thought he was exploding

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

rip us if this is wrong

i havent been able to put effort lately, u guys r all saying "made outed made outed" - im cool with that

if that somehwo ends up being wrong imma vote tim tomorrow

Hi, you're not in the towncore anymore. We're yeeting one of JPIC or Dizzy today.

This would be the stupidest thing to happen so far

[Syn]

so what's happening with made? i thought he was exploding

hosts asleep post cheese

Spoiler: show

[Justplayingitcool]

What if Nanook wasn't a wolf?

WIlgy claimed not to use his power, and nobody said in thread they were in a btsc other than who hyena targeted

Think this is unlikely

[Justplayingitcool]

Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.

Venn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.

How do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:

Either way, I don't want to try reading Made anymore. I still have a mild suspicion of Dizzy, even if there has been more stuff I liked from them the past two day phases. I just can't shake away those bad gut feelings. One thing in particular that still weirded me out is the "cold feet" that the started getting on 112 right before 112 claimed 3P. It felt like Dizzy wanted 112 yeeted, thinking 112 was town, but didn't want to look bad for voting them later. Then, the "cold feet" seemed to disappear immediately once 112 claimed 3P.

JPIC is a complete toss up for me. Like, there has been a lot of stuff that I wanted to lock him town for, but every once in a while, he'll say something that'll make me do a double take and think "am I wrong here?". I've pointed out a couple of these things in previous posts. I feel like I had a strong reason to call Michelle town earlier, but I dunno if she's done anything since then that makes me want to continue calling her town. I dunno.

Point me to these posts.

[Justplayingitcool]

I really just cannot see who it can be other than it being made.

Hyena maybe. But the powers have been used for good but just not confident there

Michelle maybe, but she was pretty pro-yeet Ted and the tutuu tunnel feels like it comes more from town than scum

Everybody else has very solid reasons to be townread

Ignoring my powers, do you townread me? Or do you townread me just because of my powers and how I've been using them?

I only townread you for your powers

Your push on me made me wary of you and I can’t say i’m liking what im seeing from you this phase

[Michelle]

If you want to yeet Michelle, answer this: who is her main suspicion?

tutuu and has been for days

Right. How could the last (?) wolf laser-focus on a mech-cleared villager for so long?

because nobody cares enough to call her on it?
Like ok, assume Michelle is a wolf, and she's been hyperfocused on Tutuu for days. Nobody is susing Michelle based on that tutuu read, nobody is pushing her on it, we're all just like "oh michelle your tunnel is so quaint" and then we forget about it.
Keeping the "push" as it were on tutuu absolves Michelle from solving other people, she can just keep defaulting to tutuu wolf as long as we're not pressuring her for other things.

Maybe we ought to do that, no?

@Michelle gimmie wolf reads that aren't tutuu please and thank you

Made, you are welcome

[Michelle]

I need to catch up, breakfast was needed

[Michelle]

@Long Con

Who did you track?

Hollowkatt targeted no one. Alison is off the poll.

Good, we have a new clear

[Michelle]

Okay, fine...no kill Kyle, but I'm just gonna kill made. Reading the thread yesterday it was like "if it isn't Wilgy it's Made" from top to bottom and side to side. I genuinely had no choice but to do the due diligent town vig thing and try to shoot him. If y'all go haring off in some wild new direction today just because he shrugged off a vig shot and had some confusing power interaction with Kyle you gotta go without me.


[VOTE: Made] aubergine

By the way, if you think w!Tim shot the only person who fully understood how town sided I have been all game long, get help. I didn't kill Radishes and I'm not a wolf. Period.

this is exactly what w!Tim would say

This is unfortunately true. I never say anything as town that isn't what I would say as a wolf, and vice versa. However, I would never have a chance to say it as a wolf, because it is true that as a wolf I would not have shot Radishes. I'd have shot someone less surely in my pocket with an ability that could cause me problems, like LC...and I wouldn't have fired my extra KP into the guy town is fixed on chopping.

You wouldn't shot LC because he was protected.
Come on
But the rest looks logical

[Michelle]

Has Michelle claimed yet?

No

[Michelle]

Is there any concrete reason that Syn isn't a wolf other than "silenced Sloonei" and "feels towny"?

No

[Michelle]

Is there any concrete reason that Syn isn't a wolf other than "silenced Sloonei" and "feels towny"?

Charged at Marmot. Is pro town with powers.

Good memory, i forgot about it, then yes

[Michelle]

@Long Con and @hollowkatt
You two can join, too.

There's 11 players remaining. If the five of us are town, then we only need to find ONE more person that's town, excluding @Alison (though Alison, if you want to help out with this, you're free to join, too). Who should be the last person we include in our towncore?

@Timsup2nothin
@Made
@Long Con
@hollowkatt

I’d say it’s always Long Con as town. Tim is probably scum, HK could be scum, Long Con is almost always town

MADE! NO! WE'RE A TOWN CORE! PICK SOMEONE -NOT- IN THOSE FOUR!!!

I'll pick Syn

Okay, cool.

@Syn You're now in the new towncore with me, Tim, Made, HK, and LC. There's six of us, and five of them -- we just chop them one by one now and we win, assuming the six of us are all town! How do you feel about that?

@Michelle You might be replacing Syn in the towncore. The new people in charge are still discussing it.

Caught up until that post, why is Made in your town core?

[Michelle]

Why am I alone here?

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

rip us if this is wrong

i havent been able to put effort lately, u guys r all saying "made outed made outed" - im cool with that

if that somehwo ends up being wrong imma vote tim tomorrow

Villagers are usually increasing in willingness to solve and not sleeping on a mechanically clearing.
The last sentence is so bad

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

There's 11 players remaining. If the five of us are town, then we only need to find ONE more person that's town, excluding @Alison (though Alison, if you want to help out with this, you're free to join, too). Who should be the last person we include in our towncore?

@Timsup2nothin
@Made
@Long Con
@hollowkatt

I’d say it’s always Long Con as town. Tim is probably scum, HK could be scum, Long Con is almost always town

MADE! NO! WE'RE A TOWN CORE! PICK SOMEONE -NOT- IN THOSE FOUR!!!

I'll pick Syn

I'm getting a little scared of Syn tho.

fair. I'm scared of both of you.
@Hyena why are you putting made in the town core

Because I'm flipping this game upside down. Made was on the bottom, so now, I'm putting him on the top (except for me, of course -- I'm in charge here now).

Also, we're probably chopping one of JPIC or Dizzy today. Whichever stays will -probably- get a momentary reprieve from getting chopped the next day, which is when we'll probably chop one of Kyle or Syn if the game doesn't end. Those are the plans for the next two day phases.

That means yesterday was t/t in your opinion?
What gave you this impression?

[Michelle]

who r u to tell me where i belong lmfao

sit down, kid

I'm THE Hyena. That's who I am.
Ur scum.

Mechanically, everyone is clearing tutuu because Kyle didn't have a reaction for her, and he wasn't blocked.
What if she was jailed?

[Michelle]

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine lmao wagon go burrrrrr

why r u voting a peeked town?

Mechanics get confusing sometimes, and your refusal to re-evaluate an obviously bad read isn't very townlike?

why would i townread u? just coz u claimed vig? im confused by the mechanics

You were not confused by the mechanics until now

[Justplayingitcool]

I did a trust fall on everyone other than Alison who has claimed 3p

Trust fall

Dyslexicon – Claimed an ability that allows them to protect themselves and another person. Super pro-town ability and the ability was confirmed thanks to wilgy. They have shown a solving mindset and I have been mind melding a lot with them this phase.

Hyena – use of ability has been pro-town. Sloonei wanted to yeet them D1, and perhaps they did in other nights as well. Would need to reread sloonei ISO again.

Kylemii – Shot Nanook and alerted us to ted.

Long Con – Tracked ted and was the final nail in the coffin for ted from my PoV. Checked town by Kyle. Hides people in polls and thought the reaction to tutuu calling the poll hider scum felt incredibly townie.

Made – I thought his reaction to marmot going down felt townish at the time.

Michelle – tunneled on tutuu and feels more like a town tunnel than a mafia one. Think a mafia tunnel would move on with the tutuu check. Claimed to receive a song n1 – not super clearing and could be a lie, but I believe Michelle. Swapped by ted, and dizzy made a good point that it’s unlikely to be mafia swapping a partner.

Syn – Silenced sloonei, use of abilities have been pro-town. Claiming to catch radish and then rescinding felt very towny during that whole day

hollowkatt/ Thunal33 – Spewed clear from both marmot and sloonei iso as far as I am concerned. Tracked not targeting anyone last night courtesy of LC.

Timsup2nothin – claims vig, all his posts make sense if he was trying to dodge the nk by going against the towncore to charge a shot. All of his posts this phase seemed pretty townie

Tutuu – peeked green from kyle, had a baseball thrown at them by sloonei before the role was revealed. Mafia don’t kill mafia. I believe their AtE with the Michelle tunnel. Have been townreading tutuu for a majority of this game from posts alone.

[Justplayingitcool]

@Timsup2nothin

You mentioned that your vig takes three nights to charge, how come you were able to shoot again? I ignored it when you first revealed this phase because I thought you were doing a gambit

[Michelle]

@Timsup2nothin the point of that game is: I think you're solidly town, like just unimpeachable, and I know you can take over games.
My concern about you is that you're not. You're content to just exist.
I know you've claimed shots, and the shots you've claimed make sense. I don't dispute that.
What I don't like is that my main perception of you is "you're all all wrong" that you had going for several days while we were chopping wolves.

Suddenly, when you can't impact things by voting and pressuring we start chopping townies. I see you railing vs made but I don't see you actually burying him like I know that town!Tim can do.

With Syn: My concern there is all sorts of tinfoil and doesn't make sense, I think. Like He's playing a really townie game, and he's made the right chops at the right time. It's basically some fear that he's been the mastermind behind those, aka busing.

Like GTH I have Syn as town, and if we (the three of us) make F3 I'm fucked trying to figure out which of you two it is.

I don't think we get there tbh, I think Made is the wolf we're looking for.

i'm also concerned about Michelle. Like of everyone else in the thread Michelle is the one I have the most fear about.

Why you fear me?

[Michelle]

just cuz they were wrong on some reads it doesnt mean they have to be wrong on all what is that logical fallacy....

if a person making a single wrong read invalidates everything they've done - how do u read people hyena?

tell me how are u townreading anyone rn?

I'm not saying they have to be wrong on all of their reads! I'm trying to see if you actually believe if that's good evidence from your PoV. Like, what makes their reads on you more credible than any of their other reads? Nutella thought I was lock town -- can I say that I'm lock town because of it, too? And how much would you believe Nutella's read if so?

well sure - maybe i dont sheep others all the time so i shouldnt expcet others to aswell

but like. idk man im town lol

what am i supposd to do in a game where i got peeked town, and when i personally feel ive been obv town regardless, and then ppl start tinfoiling me - what do they want me to do? like-

im not gonna jump around and dance with a hoola loop on my waist if thats what ppl expect me to do thats for sure

No but i expect you to play the game, not just defend yourself.
You as peeked townie received a responsibility in the game.

[Michelle]

made offer to let me drive his bus and then when i break into his house there's no bus

next morning made tells me "sorry dude you were supposed to buy the bus yourself"

who lives like this

Looks like a complicated life.
Jason Bourne would de envious

[Michelle]

If you want to yeet Michelle, answer this: who is her main suspicion?

tutuu and has been for days

Right. How could the last (?) wolf laser-focus on a mech-cleared villager for so long?

because nobody cares enough to call her on it?
Like ok, assume Michelle is a wolf, and she's been hyperfocused on Tutuu for days. Nobody is susing Michelle based on that tutuu read, nobody is pushing her on it, we're all just like "oh michelle your tunnel is so quaint" and then we forget about it.
Keeping the "push" as it were on tutuu absolves Michelle from solving other people, she can just keep defaulting to tutuu wolf as long as we're not pressuring her for other things.

Maybe we ought to do that, no?

@Michelle gimmie wolf reads that aren't tutuu please and thank you

Back at this post after reading the thread until it.
The thing is I am obviously town by other reasons and it's not like all i did was tunneling tutuu all game.
I know you didn't read all the game and i know it's hard to do it, even my Iso is huge rn.
Yesterday i searched and found that Made has big scum equity because of the way Ted and Sloonei treated him and because his claim is so complicated and always changing.

[Alison]

Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.

Venn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.

How do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:

Either way, I don't want to try reading Made anymore. I still have a mild suspicion of Dizzy, even if there has been more stuff I liked from them the past two day phases. I just can't shake away those bad gut feelings. One thing in particular that still weirded me out is the "cold feet" that the started getting on 112 right before 112 claimed 3P. It felt like Dizzy wanted 112 yeeted, thinking 112 was town, but didn't want to look bad for voting them later. Then, the "cold feet" seemed to disappear immediately once 112 claimed 3P.

I just mean, let's yeet the strongest overlap between the generally accepted POE and your mirror-universe one.

Oh, that makes sense. Right now, I think Made is in the bottom of the general accepted PoE, and he's, like, somewhere in the middle of mine. I have no problem starting there.

And the order I'd go in if I had full control is Made -> Alison -> Dizzy -> Michelle -> JPIC. JPIC is on the border though for me. Made -> Alison and then one of Michelle or Dizzy would probably always be what I would aim for right now though.

@Alison When exactly do you leave the game again (assuming you leave when you've fulfilled your win con)?

I leave the game at the end of the next day phase assuming everything goes well (ie. my bargainees dont die). If not it will take longer

[Dyslexicon]

1. I was going to lay out why I think voting Made is a good idea here. But as long as he's top wagon, I don't think I'll bother. But I ISO'd him. His claim doesn't add up at all. He said in the most obtuse way possible (why even be obtuse as town) that Kyle would find a bus drive. When this doesn't happen and Kyle finds a double vote instead he goes "Oh yeah, I have that too. And Kyle wouldn't find a bus drive, he would have to purchase it." How the fuck would Kyle purchase it? Why would he do that? He already have that power. Made also claimed to be a role from FTL game, the game Ted said he chased a role from. Ted didn't even react to this claim from Made until Made was in his face about it. Coincidence? Made says he targeted himself tonight and is surprised by that. But we already laid out yesterday that Radish was going to target Made. So if that happened, it should not be a surprise. I don't think it happened. Kyle getting a double vote suggests that Kyle did not visit Made. All of what Made is saying about his role is super obtuse and doesn't add up at all. But apparently it will be really clear once he flips. So strange that it's not possible to make it clear now.

2. I'm a bit worried that the bargainees will die once Alison reaches her wincon. I think not, but the possibility is scary.

3. Didn't Radish have a role block? Could he have blocked Tim again?

4. I had half the idea that Made's role is getting whatever power Alison is giving out as well as the bargainee. But I think this is a stupid idea, and just speculation anyway.

[Dyslexicon]

@Made If you are ever town here, it's your responsibility to explain your role and what has happened so clear that there is no room for doubt. Why did Kyle become a double voter when targeting you, and nothing else, if you claim to have an array of powers?

[Dyslexicon]

@Kylemii You need to tell us if you used the bus drive

i literally already did this like first thing right away right after daybreak sir

Yeah, sorry missed it.

@Justplayingitcool Can you confirm again that having two votes today would be your ability today?

[Justplayingitcool]

@Kylemii You need to tell us if you used the bus drive

i literally already did this like first thing right away right after daybreak sir

Yeah, sorry missed it.

@Justplayingitcool Can you confirm again that having two votes today would be your ability today?

Yes, assuming yesterday had no vote shenanigans, I should be a double voter today.

[Justplayingitcool]

To be perfectly clear on my role, I become a double voter if I correctly guess the over and under on the leading wagon from the visible votes on the poll. So if I guessed over on 6, and my vote is on that wagon and the votes are exactly 6, then it becomes a push. While I am a double voter, it would only count as 6 because my double vote obviously doesn't show on the poll.

The numbers I receive are all based on EoD writeups.

The number today is 6 and I need to be over it to become a double voter.

[Michelle]

Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.

Venn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.

How do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:

Either way, I don't want to try reading Made anymore. I still have a mild suspicion of Dizzy, even if there has been more stuff I liked from them the past two day phases. I just can't shake away those bad gut feelings. One thing in particular that still weirded me out is the "cold feet" that the started getting on 112 right before 112 claimed 3P. It felt like Dizzy wanted 112 yeeted, thinking 112 was town, but didn't want to look bad for voting them later. Then, the "cold feet" seemed to disappear immediately once 112 claimed 3P.

I just mean, let's yeet the strongest overlap between the generally accepted POE and your mirror-universe one.

Oh, that makes sense. Right now, I think Made is in the bottom of the general accepted PoE, and he's, like, somewhere in the middle of mine. I have no problem starting there.

Pheww, the fact you put Made in town core made me doubt my sanity but this idea looks better.

[Michelle]

but yeah, uh, I don't actually think tutuu is scum. LC is prob fine. Kill Tim then kill HK. Personally, I'd go for someone else before Alison, but that cuz i still don't see why she needs to die. but yeah.
great game ____ & _____!! (i technically can't mention their names or i'm complying with the curse)

see y'all on the flip side



1000 post in one game is new record, and third new record in a row

but yeah, see ya later nerds

It is finished.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

[Justplayingitcool]

i didn't think i could steal passives?

Do you know for a fact that you can't steal passives?

It makes a lot of sense to me if made swapped himself with me. If radishes targeted made like he implied he would, then the swap would mean radishes landed on me. As I don't have an active ability, there is no way for me to know that my ability was messed with somehow.

[Justplayingitcool]

To be perfectly clear on my role, I become a double voter if I correctly guess the over and under on the leading wagon from the visible votes on the poll. So if I guessed over on 6, and my vote is on that wagon and the votes are exactly 6, then it becomes a push. While I am a double voter, it would only count as 6 because my double vote obviously doesn't show on the poll.

The numbers I receive are all based on EoD writeups.

The number today is 6 and I need to be over it to become a double voter.

To add to this, as far as I am aware I have become a double voter from day 3 onwards.

[Michelle]

To be perfectly clear on my role, I become a double voter if I correctly guess the over and under on the leading wagon from the visible votes on the poll. So if I guessed over on 6, and my vote is on that wagon and the votes are exactly 6, then it becomes a push. While I am a double voter, it would only count as 6 because my double vote obviously doesn't show on the poll.

The numbers I receive are all based on EoD writeups.

The number today is 6 and I need to be over it to become a double voter.

To add to this, as far as I am aware I have become a double voter from day 3 onwards.

Why you asked yesterday to have the wagon bigger than 5 if you have double vote anyway?

[Justplayingitcool]

To be perfectly clear on my role, I become a double voter if I correctly guess the over and under on the leading wagon from the visible votes on the poll. So if I guessed over on 6, and my vote is on that wagon and the votes are exactly 6, then it becomes a push. While I am a double voter, it would only count as 6 because my double vote obviously doesn't show on the poll.

The numbers I receive are all based on EoD writeups.

The number today is 6 and I need to be over it to become a double voter.

To add to this, as far as I am aware I have become a double voter from day 3 onwards.

Why you asked yesterday to have the wagon bigger than 5 if you have double vote anyway?

because it only lasts a day, and I have to guess the over and under each night phase. If I'm wrong I become a zero voter.

[Justplayingitcool]

I have been correct on each guess so far.

I need the leading wagon to be over 6 today; otherwise, I will be a zero voter, assuming I am alive and the game doesn't end. If it's exactly 6, it's a push.

[Michelle]

I have been correct on each guess so far.

I need the leading wagon to be over 6 today; otherwise, I will be a zero voter, assuming I am alive and the game doesn't end. If it's exactly 6, it's a push.

I understand, then someone should make a counter wagon ig

[Michelle]

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

[Justplayingitcool]

A tutuu counterwagon isn't gonna happen this phase

[Michelle]

Tbh if Made flips town i will be verry sad, but the nonsenses he posted lately make sense if he is in antispew.

[Alison]

Who do I protect tonight

[Justplayingitcool]

Who do I protect tonight

LC again i think

[Alison]

Also I've run out of "good" powers to give so the only ones i have left to offer are like silencing and stuff, is that ok and if so who should I offer the power to

I will use my doctor ability to protect townies if you agree

[Alison]

Who do I protect tonight

LC again i think

Gotcha

[dunya]

please hold. thread locked.

[Alison]

Also I've run out of "good" powers to give so the only ones i have left to offer are like silencing and stuff, is that ok and if so who should I offer the power to

I will use my doctor ability to protect townies if you agree

You dont have to use the silence if you dont want to, just accept the bargain

[dunya]

Day 8...intermission


You may not be able to see yourself dead in your dreams...
but you sure can see others dying.

When a hero sacrifices themselves for the greater good,
is it always in the best interest?

Dodo needs to keep sleeping and keep dreaming to find out.



Made has not made it out alive.

Spoiler: show

Made was Engi Crewmember, Town.

Collect scrap to trade in for a new ability. Scrap for that Day equals the number of votes the Day’s victim received. Every five scrap unlocks the next tier. Example: Five scrap collected and cashed in = a modest ability. Thirty-five scrap collected and cashed in = a superb ability.

Dual Lasers: Your vote is worth two.
Med Bay: Two votes against you will not count.
Halberd Beam: Add a vote by PM to two adjacent names on the poll
Flak Cannon: Make any three additional votes by PM (must be different names)
Mind Control: Control the person your target will target at Night
Zoltan Shield: Any single attempt on your life will fail
Stealth: Take yourself off the poll permanently

It is still Day 8. Made has been removed from the poll. Please vote elsewhere.

[Justplayingitcool]

jesus