Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: jpic] aubergine might as well power verify I guess

If you steal from me please note that you’re gonna likely be a zero voter if I don’t get the leading wagon over six

Six????

And you took the over?

So, listen....I run this betting pool...

We'd REALLY like to have you join in...

That was before I knew Made was gonna kill himself

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: jpic] aubergine might as well power verify I guess

If you steal from me please note that you’re gonna likely be a zero voter if I don’t get the leading wagon over six

Six????

And you took the over?

So, listen....I run this betting pool...

We'd REALLY like to have you join in...

That was before I knew Made was gonna kill himself

oooooh

yeah good point

invite retracted

[tutuu]

the accusation of gaslighting is bothering me because i don't remember myself doing it

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gaslight
/ˈɡaslʌɪt/
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting
manipulate (someone) by psychological means into doubting their own sanity.

Can someone explain me if i did such thing?

u were accusing me of being pissy and illogical at a time when i was calm and i was simply responding to ur points in a straightforward way

[tutuu]

U are reaching really hard in every post u make about me michelle

I don't think I am out of common sense in my posts

"I suspect tutuu because she put a 0 poster in the same color as a claimed 3p"

"I suspect tutuu because she is asking other ppl if they want her to claim but she hasnt claimed yet"

Why do you complain?

I am saying that these takes from u are the opposite of sensible and u are reaching

This is an emotional response at my posts, but you are avoiding the logic.

I don't see from you an opinion for other things i posted, but since i dared to scum read you, here you are AtEing.
How should I take this?

this is the quote chain im calling gaslighting - there is clearly no emotional response from me anywhere here

[tutuu]

i dont want to dig up my past town games to prove that me coloring the names in my readslist is not something i do exclusively as scum

[Justplayingitcool]

i dont want to dig up my past town games to prove that me coloring the names in my readslist is not something i do exclusively as scum

I did it for you. im a nice guy

tutuu
macdougall
oddmerta

nutella
alison
dyachei
dyslexicon
JPIC
poison chan
master radishes (sheeping mac)

hally
spf

drwilgy
herm

fallen prince
tedxtr

(void)
colin
long con
nanook
samusamu
spirityo
timsup2nothing

[Timsup2nothin]

lol...and I was at the bottom of Tutuu's read list in that game also...and yes, was town.

At least you are consistent!

<patpat>

[tutuu]

to be fair i colored u as pink to denote a null read!

[Justplayingitcool]

why are we voting for syn? There were several reasons to townread his slot

[Michelle]

the accusation of gaslighting is bothering me because i don't remember myself doing it

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gaslight
/ˈɡaslʌɪt/
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting
manipulate (someone) by psychological means into doubting their own sanity.

Can someone explain me if i did such thing?

u were accusing me of being pissy and illogical at a time when i was calm and i was simply responding to ur points in a straightforward way

Pissy is not a word in my vocabulary, i know what means but i don't use it.

U are reaching really hard in every post u make about me michelle

I don't think I am out of common sense in my posts

"I suspect tutuu because she put a 0 poster in the same color as a claimed 3p"

"I suspect tutuu because she is asking other ppl if they want her to claim but she hasnt claimed yet"

Why do you complain?

I am saying that these takes from u are the opposite of sensible and u are reaching

This is an emotional response at my posts, but you are avoiding the logic.

I don't see from you an opinion for other things i posted, but since i dared to scum read you, here you are AtEing.
How should I take this?

this is the quote chain im calling gaslighting - there is clearly no emotional response from me anywhere here

Sensible as word implies emotion, like I was posting emotionless. And yes, I tried to control my emotions because Ate is kind of forbidden in this game.
But even if i am wrong about this, how is that post gaslighting?
I explained later why I doubted your logic, and it's implied you were avoiding it.

Tbh if Juliets or Jay are telling me this is gaslighting I have to take a serious break from playing because my last intention in life is to do such things.

I had to sneak from work to post this, i will be more active very late because work

[Michelle]

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Horseshit...horsehockey...
Poll runs till Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


Dyslexicon
1
5%
Voters: Hyena
hollowkatt
1
5%
Voters: Kylemii
Hyena
0
No votes
Voters: None
JustPlayingitcool
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
this spot is left intentionally blank
1
5%
Voters: Dyslexicon
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Syn
3
14%
Voters: Timsup2nothin, hollowkatt, Michelle
Timsup2nothin
3
14%
Voters: tutuu, Syn, Justplayingitcool
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
horseradish (The Host, the Non, the dead)
12
57%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, Marmot, nutella, Master Radishes, JaggedJimmyJay, juliets, Epignosis, c4e5g3d5, MacDougall, dunya, Made
Total votes: 21

vc

[tutuu]

Sensible as word implies emotion

it ... does not?

Definition of sensible: having, containing, or indicative of good sense or reason : RATIONAL, REASONABLE

i was calling your reason to call me scum because i colored ted's name in pink irrational/unreasonable

i was also calling your reason to call me scum because i was asking people if they wanted to hear my claim irrational/unreasonable

[tutuu]

i probably need to constantly keep reminding myself that you speak 5 languages and you arent that advanced in english yet compared to the other languages u can speak which could be a plausible explanation for us perceiving each other's intentions as something very different than how we perceive our own intentions

[tutuu]

there is no logic in me being scum because i colored ted's name in pink and he later claimed 3p - as u can see from that jpic quote from a past game of mine (radiohead) i painted null reads as pink. also, as i've explained, i painted ted's name in pink because he was a 0 poster ergo null. alison was a neutral 3p ergo null

[tutuu]

i asked people if i should claim because i was unsure if it was a good or a bad decision for me to make. i didnt want to be impulsive and make a bad decision

you might think its scummy but im not scum - there is ... nothing much else i can add about that?

[Justplayingitcool]

fwiw i wouldn't class sensible as emotion either

[Justplayingitcool]

I really heavily townread tutuu and nothing has changed my mind on it. If I'm wrong jokes on me I guess

[tutuu]

@Dyslexicon who are we voting for chief?

[tutuu]

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

[tutuu]

wilgy rolecopped michelle but he ended up getting dizzy's role so i think it still stands

[tutuu]

i think michelle is most likely town, i dont want to get into it

[Justplayingitcool]

i think michelle is most likely town, i dont want to get into it

I want you to get into it

[Justplayingitcool]

im not sure i am confident in the tim yeet here, but I townread Syn and tutuu so will save both of them while I am alive

[tutuu]

i've been mafia with syn, he was kind of limp and got yeeted d1, i dont believe that if he is mafia this game he would:

-put himself out there so much
-get in people's faces, try to townlead
-do the thing with radish and then retract it
-be able to constantly towntell and do stuff. with all due respect he only recently got into playing mafia, yea? i dont believe he is at that point where he can rand scum and make the posts he has made this game

he is very pure town and he is getting voted by misguided villagers and a wolf

[tutuu]

my distrustfall for hyena would be him having the bravado that he's turning the game around and voting for towncore. it's somethign i can see myself doing as wolf to amuse myself. but im not sure if he's that kind of person; i already mntioned i townread some of his other bravado

my distrustfall on kyle would be if he .. is a 3p. or if nanook was town. but there is no reason to doubt the mech that kyle is town

[Justplayingitcool]

let's also remember kyle alerted us to ted mafia

[tutuu]

my read on jpic is similar to syn - i have little experience with jpic, in the only one game i've played with him he gave up relatively quickly as mafia - i am unsure that a player who gives up like he did in radiohead and openwolves is also capable of powerwolfing and making all the towny posts and pushes and stuff he has been doing this game - jpic has been putting himself in people's faces, has tried to townlead, has done all the reasonable and expected stuff an eager town player has done. its unlikely that he's mafia because it would be inconsistent with the last time i've seen him play as mafia

[Justplayingitcool]

my read on jpic is similar to syn - i have little experience with jpic, in the only one game i've played with him he gave up relatively quickly as mafia - i am unsure that a player who gives up like he did in radiohead and openwolves is also capable of powerwolfing and making all the towny posts and pushes and stuff he has been doing this game - jpic has been putting himself in people's faces, has tried to townlead, has done all the reasonable and expected stuff an eager town player has done. its unlikely that he's mafia because it would be inconsistent with the last time i've seen him play as mafia

I partly gave up due to being caught via mech

[Justplayingitcool]

Watchers are OP

[Justplayingitcool]

grumble grumble grumble

[tutuu]

my poe is

timsup2nothing
hollowkatt
long con


for tim - he had no reason to claim he was a vig on day 3. "IM A VIG AND IM SHOOTING MADE" - in a 27 player game with funky roles that could cause all sort of mechanical mischief - its irrational for tim to be town and to claim. if he is mafia there is a line where it makes sense - its a towny claim, and he was under pressure

tim has also went over how good he is as the scum alignemnt and i believe him - players who say this tend to not lie

tim has not pushed a single scum this game afaik, let me know if im wrong

he grumbled about us killing 112 (scum), ted (scum), has pushed and tried to shoot me, radish and made (all town)

now that i said this i do remember tim fighting sloonei at d1 or d2 where tim accused sloonei of tmi-ing the multiball factional kill. let me try to find it up. it could be w/w because wolves would know for a fact that it's not multiball, so 1 wolf (sloonei) theoryzing how do the multiball wolves factional kill rotate, and another wolf (tim) hammerin at him for "tmi"-ing could be a straightforward distancing attempt

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hollowkatt - i believe him generally about his role - that it's a passive self-protective role. therefore i dont want to townclear him because long con tracked him to nowhere - long con's track could have been disrupted.

regardless of his alignemnt he is scumsiding hard from my perception - i dont remember him burying wolves, i do remember him trying to kill me and is now trying to kill syn.

i dont think its that likely that he's a wolf who has pocketed tim. i think that its more likely that he's a misguided villager that was pocketed by tim


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long con - for the millionth tim and hopefully this is common knowledge now - there is a line where marmot loses tetris on purpose to long con, long con becomes a n2 roleblocker, roleblocks kyle, kyle receives a false positive

i cant point to much that i think long con has done or said that is that scummy - but in the case where we're somewhere wrong in all of this - i would urge people to look into LC. he hasn't been putting himself in people's faces that much compared to others

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu - I think tim pushed sloonei a bit iirc

[Justplayingitcool]

Oh, I also remember liking HK for openly defending Ted during his lynch

[tutuu]

Okay wait, so if 2 wolfie teams, then shouldn’t everyone be scummy???

Like sure they can baddie hunt or w/e but they should still look bad right?

I won last year’s GoC as scum because I was able to believably hunt the other team to extinction. Multiball helps wolves in the thread, hurts them out of it.

Hmm. Wym hurts them outside of it?

They don’t get to control the kill every night, and they are at risk of being killed themselves every other night.

Just for the record, Sloonei I absolutely hate this post and if I did not have a record for refusing to acknowledge TMI reads I would be all up on you right now.

Okay wait, so if 2 wolfie teams, then shouldn’t everyone be scummy???

Like sure they can baddie hunt or w/e but they should still look bad right?

I won last year’s GoC as scum because I was able to believably hunt the other team to extinction. Multiball helps wolves in the thread, hurts them out of it.

Hmm. Wym hurts them outside of it?

They don’t get to control the kill every night, and they are at risk of being killed themselves every other night.

Just for the record, Sloonei I absolutely hate this post and if I did not have a record for refusing to acknowledge TMI reads I would be all up on you right now.

What?

The only multi-ball game I have ever played in didn't work anything like that, so to state "this is how the game works" is what is often read as TMI.

This could very well be w/w

Remember that scum knew from the start that the game isn't multiball

so a mafia partner harping on another partner for somtehing that only they know isn't a factor in this game could be a straightforward way to play - try to distance and try to feign lack of tmi in one post

[tutuu]

I like that big nutella post.

I thought it was horribly flawed...almost flawed enough to think it had to be intentional...and was considering breaking my intent to ignore the thread for a good chunk of time.

Now I am pissed, because you have forced my hand.

WTF do you find to like in that post?

since when does tim get pissed like that at people and writes WTF in caps?

does this not sound theatrical and fake?

[tutuu]

@hollowkatt how much experience do u have with tim? i highly believe he has pocketed u

[tutuu]

I like that big nutella post.

I thought it was horribly flawed...almost flawed enough to think it had to be intentional...and was considering breaking my intent to ignore the thread for a good chunk of time.

Now I am pissed, because you have forced my hand.

WTF do you find to like in that post?

how is this post real? it's theatrical, is it not? this isn't how tim talks, ever, no?

[Justplayingitcool]

You're convincing me tutuu, keep going.

[tutuu]

Completely random tangent:

What is everyone's opinions on Tim?

I have felt vaguely good about him since early on, but I do not understand his view of me in this game. It might just be paranoia on his part and a desire not to let me in particular ruin the game. But there have been a number of times where he's objected to posts of mine in ways I just do not understand.

i'm too narcissistic to have an opinion of him in regards to anything other than myself.

Nothing personal...I honestly trust no one.

look at this one

since when does sloonei call himself narcissistic. is he not usually a robot who talks very seriously and dry-ly?

i read this whole quote chain, imagining sloonei and tim saying these posts with their real voices and it just sounds funny. like a bad comedy movie

[tutuu]

I like that big nutella post.

I thought it was horribly flawed...almost flawed enough to think it had to be intentional...and was considering breaking my intent to ignore the thread for a good chunk of time.

Now I am pissed, because you have forced my hand.

WTF do you find to like in that post?

how is this post real? it's theatrical, is it not? this isn't how tim talks, ever, no?

@hollowkatt

[Michelle]

i probably need to constantly keep reminding myself that you speak 5 languages and you arent that advanced in english yet compared to the other languages u can speak which could be a plausible explanation for us perceiving each other's intentions as something very different than how we perceive our own intentions

My English is at written and reading decent level and i can't really speak, i understand like 20% of what i am listening, so i can make unintentionally understanding mistakes, and this is because i don't have a base of grammar and use of language like i have in the languages i learned more than 10 years each in school.
Playing mafia improved my level immensely but it's not like half of skills are enough to master a language and I often go to dictionary to check if i understand well or not

there is no logic in me being scum because i colored ted's name in pink and he later claimed 3p - as u can see from that jpic quote from a past game of mine (radiohead) i painted null reads as pink. also, as i've explained, i painted ted's name in pink because he was a 0 poster ergo null. alison was a neutral 3p ergo null

I always post any thought that is passing through my head to check it with everyone, the fact I listened more what everyone else said about you than my paranoia is obvious because you can say i tunnel you hard but in fact i searched for evidence of who can be scum based on interactions in the flipped scum posts. Of course i interpreted wrong and Made's flip is the proof reading in scum posts may be pure wifom.
The problem is i still found evidence who increased my suspicion and again I had to post them, to check if what i see is correct or not. I received negative feedback and idk how to explain but i don't want to disregard them and be the only one to keep a scum read for you. But I miss some answers and i can't connect few dots to admit i am wrong without these.
The explanation of me posting all my thoughts and what i find is that I see mafia as a game of teamwork, and the role I dislike the most is serial killer because he is alone.

i asked people if i should claim because i was unsure if it was a good or a bad decision for me to make. i didnt want to be impulsive and make a bad decision

you might think its scummy but im not scum - there is ... nothing much else i can add about that?

My question about how many votes modifiers can be in town vs scum part still stands even if you are villager, is a thing that needs scrutiny fmpov

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu

How do you explain the night when radishes blocked tim? I think we established that TSP saved Jack but then TSP was retrospectively modkilled, meaning the kill on Jack would have gone through.

[Justplayingitcool]

@Michelle + @hollowkatt - why are you voting for Syn?

Can give a tim a pass as it's self-preservation

[tutuu]

i probably need to constantly keep reminding myself that you speak 5 languages and you arent that advanced in english yet compared to the other languages u can speak which could be a plausible explanation for us perceiving each other's intentions as something very different than how we perceive our own intentions

My English is at written and reading decent level and i can't really speak, i understand like 20% of what i am listening, so i can make unintentionally understanding mistakes, and this is because i don't have a base of grammar and use of language like i have in the languages i learned more than 10 years each in school.
Playing mafia improved my level immensely but it's not like half of skills are enough to master a language and I often go to dictionary to check if i understand well or not

there is no logic in me being scum because i colored ted's name in pink and he later claimed 3p - as u can see from that jpic quote from a past game of mine (radiohead) i painted null reads as pink. also, as i've explained, i painted ted's name in pink because he was a 0 poster ergo null. alison was a neutral 3p ergo null

I always post any thought that is passing through my head to check it with everyone, the fact I listened more what everyone else said about you than my paranoia is obvious because you can say i tunnel you hard but in fact i searched for evidence of who can be scum based on interactions in the flipped scum posts. Of course i interpreted wrong and Made's flip is the proof reading in scum posts may be pure wifom.
The problem is i still found evidence who increased my suspicion and again I had to post them, to check if what i see is correct or not. I received negative feedback and idk how to explain but i don't want to disregard them and be the only one to keep a scum read for you. But I miss some answers and i can't connect few dots to admit i am wrong without these.
The explanation of me posting all my thoughts and what i find is that I see mafia as a game of teamwork, and the role I dislike the most is serial killer because he is alone.

i asked people if i should claim because i was unsure if it was a good or a bad decision for me to make. i didnt want to be impulsive and make a bad decision

you might think its scummy but im not scum - there is ... nothing much else i can add about that?

My question about how many votes modifiers can be in town vs scum part still stands even if you are villager, is a thing that needs scrutiny fmpov

ted's role nullified votes, he nullified your vote on n1, he was mafia

112's role forced people to vote for whoever she commanded them to, she was 3p

so there you go, not all roles that interact with voting are town

[Justplayingitcool]

See this is why we need modkills to be obviously stated that they are modkills if they are indeed modkills

[tutuu]

@tutuu

How do you explain the night when radishes blocked tim? I think we established that TSP saved Jack but then TSP was retrospectively modkilled, meaning the kill on Jack would have gone through.

thats true yea

but this rides on the assumption that we understand all the details and the reasons behind the modkill (because tsp didnt quote enough)

we could be wrong on our assumption / this could not be the full picture

[tutuu]

for example - there could have been a host error and tsp was cursed by the same curse made was cursed, and he couldnt talk about it, and he was supposed to lose his protection on jack but the hosts made an error and didnt roleblock tony, or something like that

[tutuu]

Any last second questions? cuz I do need to get. Scummy or w/e yeah, I’ll be back in like 5 hours. If you need me I’ll be cleaning my room like I’m fucking Cinderella

1. Where you surprised to find you had targeted yourself?
2. How do you know you targeted yourself?
3. Why did you tell Kyle last day that he would find a bus drive, if you didn’t have one at the time?

Yes.
2. I cursed Kyle to talk to animals and now I am Otis from back and the barn yard
3. I thought he could purchase the bus driver role himself.

1. Why? It was obvious it would happen.
2. What the fuck are you talking about.
3. Why was this relevant to tell him? Why did you think that? Why did you not tell him that he would receive double voting instead for example?

1. Not from my POV, this was my first time using alisons power
2. I cursed Kyle to talk funny, and now I’m talking funny
3. Figured it wouldn’t matter cuz he’d get everything, but since Tim shot me, that didn’t happen. Unless Kyle also got my kill protector.

[tutuu]

what power did alison give to made again? why is made saying that alison gave him the power to curse someone to talk funny?

made was cursed to talk funny. roleplaying Otis from the barn yard (i googled it, its a cow)

he tried to target Kyle but his action got reflected back to him

Wilgy also trie to target Michelle but action ended up being reflected to Dizzy

so mafia still does have a redirector? what were the theories with the redirector earlier

[tutuu]

alison did offer made a deal but she didnt say what it was. was it a double voter?

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

its the post restriction lmao

i thought post restriction would mean like - a post cap. u cant make more than X posts

but looks like it makes u talk funny

so alison gave made the post restriction power, made attempted to post restrict kyle, what ended up happening is made targetting himself with that post restriction and he made himself talk funny, then he broke it on purpose to die