Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[MacDougall]

Sheeping dunya

[Made]

coalition building.

[tutuu]

Official VC 1.2:

DrWilgy - 1 - Nicol Bolas
dunya - 0 -
Enrique - 0 -
Epignosis - 0 -
falcon45ca - 3 - Kylemii, Guillotine, Made
Guillotine - 0 -
hollowkatt - 0 -
Jackofhearts2005 - 0 -
Justplayingitcool - 0 -
Kylemii - 0 -
Long Con - 2 - Epignosis, tedxtr
MacDougall - 0 -
Made - 1 - Marmot
Marmot - 1 - falcon45ca
Nicol Bolas - 0 -
tedxtr - 2 - hollowkatt, dunya
Urist - 0 -

No Chop - 0 -
Not voting - 7 - DrWilgy, Enrique, Jackofhearts2005, Justplayingitcool, Long Con, MacDougall, Urist

Let me know if there are any mistakes

[dunya]

Sheeping dunya

ok, but you have to [ vote ] in the thread or your vote don't count

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Tedxtr] aubergine

[dunya]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

[Epignosis]

My neck hurts.

[Epignosis]

All of that nodding up and down while I was reading dunya's posts have put a hurting on me.

[Epignosis]

Nicol town lean for explaining the rules in a very responsible manner. Clearly he has his GED.


Scum lean for Kylemii for adding confusion and silliness to the answers of his questions. Feels like he wants there to be a certain chaos surrounding things ATM

Pardon me, but what is the baseline expectation for the level of order in the thread?

Because I'm a civilian, and I want a shit ton of chaos in the thread.

[Epignosis]

falcon, you've made a bunch of jabs and that's fine.

Unfortunately many of them don't go anywhere. For example:

Also, i wolf read everyone that hinted at getting me yeeted for my playstyle, sounds like you knew i was widely townread and you were looking to get a wagon built on me under the pretense of a policy lynch.

You think not liking a gimmick is scummy behaviour lol

Yes! It is! Scummy or anti-town behavior. So you'd be willing to yeet someone for disliking a gimmick who could potentially be say a doctor, or a cop or a vig? You didnt think, well it's his playstyle but he maybe town with an important role to us?

Let's yeet him because im intolerant!

Either that! Or you were looking to build a wagon under the pretense of a policy lynch on an obvious townie player.

I never said that. I just found the pictures annoying and it was flooding the thread

You didnt have to say it. Behavior says it all. I find a lot of things annoying in players! Not for that im gonna yeet them! This game is not about killing the people that annoys you, it's about killing the people you scum read. Wanna kill players that annoy you. You play fortnite! That game is full of annoying pricks.

Your gimmick, however, was directly a mask that obfuscated attempts to read you. I can understand why it would be viewed with suspicion.

I noted that he dropped the gimmick once a few votes got tossed onto him.

Great. What does this say about Guillotine's alignment?

(I see dunya had to press you for this and it took a five paragraph essay to arrive at your response)

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

don't think he found kyle's post genuinely "chaotic". feels stifling to me and calling questions in a complex setup silly is -----

I clearly stated the exact posts that I thought added a chaotic nature to the game and were in no way related to adding clarity to the complexity of the game, and you ignoring that fact is bothersome. You're weaving a false narrative.

i saw them and disagree with you

no question is silly and he went to the effort to summarize the rules first and asked questions about things he still had ???? about.

false narrative is you calling questions "chaotic"

you may have experience with mtg but as someone with 0 previous experience the whole setup is chaotic to me.

Again, the questions weren't the chaos, it's the response to the answers. He doesn't ask questions in the posts I mentioned. false. narrative. you. weave.


You can disagree with my reads of his responses, that's fine. But you're framing them to be something they're not, and that's not cool yo

If dunya is weaving a false narrative, then what is her intention? How does this affect your view of her alignment?

We don't know.

[Epignosis]

I am glad I don't have to solve any teddy bear puzzles (not that I ever started, heh), but Guillotine's "let's burn this mother down" approach after that brief period of frustration strikes me as genuine rather than manufactured. I haven't read the posts carefully, but I think I would have words to say in chat if my teammate spiraled like that.

[Marmot]

Nicol town lean for explaining the rules in a very responsible manner. Clearly he has his GED.


Scum lean for Kylemii for adding confusion and silliness to the answers of his questions. Feels like he wants there to be a certain chaos surrounding things ATM

Pardon me, but what is the baseline expectation for the level of order in the thread?

Because I'm a civilian, and I want a shit ton of chaos in the thread.

This guy gets it.

[Guillotine]

I am glad I don't have to solve any teddy bear puzzles (not that I ever started, heh), but Guillotine's "let's burn this mother down" approach after that brief period of frustration strikes me as genuine rather than manufactured. I haven't read the posts carefully, but I think I would have words to say in chat if my teammate spiraled like that.

If you are scum and this is a pocket, i never had a chance.

[Marmot]

I pity the fool.

Still haven't got around to doing my ISO eh? You sum beach

I did read your iso, only took me 27 seconds.

[falcon45ca]

falcon, you've made a bunch of jabs and that's fine.

Unfortunately many of them don't go anywhere. For example:

You think not liking a gimmick is scummy behaviour lol

Yes! It is! Scummy or anti-town behavior. So you'd be willing to yeet someone for disliking a gimmick who could potentially be say a doctor, or a cop or a vig? You didnt think, well it's his playstyle but he maybe town with an important role to us?

Let's yeet him because im intolerant!

Either that! Or you were looking to build a wagon under the pretense of a policy lynch on an obvious townie player.

I never said that. I just found the pictures annoying and it was flooding the thread

You didnt have to say it. Behavior says it all. I find a lot of things annoying in players! Not for that im gonna yeet them! This game is not about killing the people that annoys you, it's about killing the people you scum read. Wanna kill players that annoy you. You play fortnite! That game is full of annoying pricks.

Your gimmick, however, was directly a mask that obfuscated attempts to read you. I can understand why it would be viewed with suspicion.

I noted that he dropped the gimmick once a few votes got tossed onto him.

Great. What does this say about Guillotine's alignment?

(I see dunya had to press you for this and it took a five paragraph essay to arrive at your response)

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

don't think he found kyle's post genuinely "chaotic". feels stifling to me and calling questions in a complex setup silly is -----

I clearly stated the exact posts that I thought added a chaotic nature to the game and were in no way related to adding clarity to the complexity of the game, and you ignoring that fact is bothersome. You're weaving a false narrative.

i saw them and disagree with you

no question is silly and he went to the effort to summarize the rules first and asked questions about things he still had ???? about.

false narrative is you calling questions "chaotic"

you may have experience with mtg but as someone with 0 previous experience the whole setup is chaotic to me.

Again, the questions weren't the chaos, it's the response to the answers. He doesn't ask questions in the posts I mentioned. false. narrative. you. weave.


You can disagree with my reads of his responses, that's fine. But you're framing them to be something they're not, and that's not cool yo

If dunya is weaving a false narrative, then what is her intention? How does this affect your view of her alignment?

We don't know.

I've given my read on Guillo, and while I found that post of dunya re: my views on kyle's earlier posts false narrative, I find more of her posts to be towny.

[falcon45ca]

I pity the fool.

Still haven't got around to doing my ISO eh? You sum beach

I did read your iso, only took me 27 seconds.

This joke was funny when I told it 2 weeks ago

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

I have not read anything today

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

I have not read anything today

[Urist]

Friendly notice that there's about 10h left until the mana tapping deadline. If you're like me and in EST it's at 6am so prob better to submit before sleepytime.

[Kylemii]

I haven't read anything today, is the thing

[Kylemii]

the thing about today is that I haven't read anything during it

[MacDougall]

hello fwens

[Kylemii]

There are tales of posts that have been made, and it is said, amongst the people that i have read none of them.

[Epignosis]

People I won't be voting for today:

dunya
Guillotine
Marmot
Kylemii

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[Marmot]

People I won't be voting for today:

dunya
Guillotine
Marmot
Kylemii

I agree with this list.

[Marmot]

When did Kyle have 80 posts in the thread? I don't remember any of them. Heck, he doesn't remember them either.

[Marmot]

When did Kyle have 80 posts in the thread? I don't remember any of them. Heck, he doesn't remember them either.

[Marmot]

Double posts are the worst where there's post caps.

Yaaaaargh!

[Marmot]

hello fwens

I demand reads.

[Made]

People I won't be voting for today:

dunya
Guillotine
Marmot
Kylemii

add me to the list and you got a full basketball squad

[Marmot]

We can't publicly give too much mana out:



The mafia has a way to punish us for that.

Town lean for pointing this out

Nicol town lean for explaining the rules in a very responsible manner. Clearly he has his GED.


Scum lean for Kylemii for adding confusion and silliness to the answers of his questions. Feels like he wants there to be a certain chaos surrounding things ATM

Apparently pointing out the rules gives you a townread from falco.

[Marmot]

People I won't be voting for today:

dunya
Guillotine
Marmot
Kylemii

add me to the list and you got a full basketball squad

Guess who else made the team!!!

Spoiler: show

Tutuu

[Made]

People I won't be voting for today:

dunya
Guillotine
Marmot
Kylemii

add me to the list and you got a full basketball squad

Guess who else made the team!!!

Spoiler: show

Tutuu

sometimes you have to cut your losses and fight god
[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

[Kylemii]

still catching up but i'm pausing to say that posting with gimmicks is sexy and cool and shaming people for using gimmicks is lame and uncool and these two things are always true in all circumstances with no exceptions

[Kylemii]

When did Kyle have 80 posts in the thread? I don't remember any of them. Heck, he doesn't remember them either.

they were all day 0 posts and mostly about mechanics, and only a little bit about very reasonable vampire fetishes

[MacDougall]

hello fwens

I demand reads.

I have none

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

basically nothing has changed. the fact that he's done absolutely nothing with his read reinforces that it's something he doesn't truly believe in. he hasn't followed up on it at all nor has he tried to convince any other people of it's validity, nor has he asked any follow up questions or even voted for me as he would if it was meant as a townie prod.

[Kylemii]

dunia is town and guillotine is also town

[Kylemii]

with 50% certainty

[Made]

oh, tldr, what's going on with ted?

[falcon45ca]

People I won't be voting for today:

dunya
Guillotine
Marmot
Kylemii

I agree with this list.

When did Kyle have 80 posts in the thread? I don't remember any of them. Heck, he doesn't remember them either.

Agrees with a town list thats has a player of whose posting he doesn't remember?

[Epignosis]

People I won't be voting for today:

dunya
Guillotine
Marmot
Kylemii

I agree with this list.

When did Kyle have 80 posts in the thread? I don't remember any of them. Heck, he doesn't remember them either.

Agrees with a town list thats has a player of whose posting he doesn't remember?

And what does that tell you about his alignment?

[falcon45ca]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

basically nothing has changed. the fact that he's done absolutely nothing with his read reinforces that it's something he doesn't truly believe in. he hasn't followed up on it at all nor has he tried to convince any other people of it's validity, nor has he asked any follow up questions or even voted for me as he would if it was meant as a townie prod.

You're a dum dum head if you don't think me explaining my read on you to several different players isn't proof of my belief in its validity.

[Epignosis]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

basically nothing has changed. the fact that he's done absolutely nothing with his read reinforces that it's something he doesn't truly believe in. he hasn't followed up on it at all nor has he tried to convince any other people of it's validity, nor has he asked any follow up questions or even voted for me as he would if it was meant as a townie prod.

You're a dum dum head if you don't think me explaining my read on you to several different players isn't proof of my belief in its validity.

Is Kyle dumb or is he mafia?

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

basically nothing has changed. the fact that he's done absolutely nothing with his read reinforces that it's something he doesn't truly believe in. he hasn't followed up on it at all nor has he tried to convince any other people of it's validity, nor has he asked any follow up questions or even voted for me as he would if it was meant as a townie prod.

You're a dum dum head if you don't think me explaining my read on you to several different players isn't proof of my belief in its validity.

i don't think anything you could say or do could prove that you authentically believe that asking questions and joking about the answers is 'creating chaos' because it's a ludicrous statement to begin with, and it's a statement that you haven't even really explained yet.

but also defending yourself against dunya does nothing to do create pressure against me, and also you're not even voting for me, you're also not even voting for me? what do you hope to learn like that?

[hollowkatt]

oh, tldr, what's going on with ted?

This post is really really not good because reasons

so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

these two are also not great:

so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

i didn’t think all lands tap at the same time at the time of this post, but i don’t see how the fact that it could be used every time changes anything.

assuming mafia have decent roles to use, we’d be forcing them to swap over to using that ability and take a gamble anyway

so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

that was more my point, i assume they won’t use it every time.

unless their roles are pretty terrible

Basically my concern with ted is that he's playing dumb with regards to mana generation and what the wolves can do with it.
I can go into more detail if you want me to, but ultimately it comes down to I know what I know, and it doesn't jibe with what Ted is saying here.

[hollowkatt]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

basically nothing has changed. the fact that he's done absolutely nothing with his read reinforces that it's something he doesn't truly believe in. he hasn't followed up on it at all nor has he tried to convince any other people of it's validity, nor has he asked any follow up questions or even voted for me as he would if it was meant as a townie prod.

You're a dum dum head if you don't think me explaining my read on you to several different players isn't proof of my belief in its validity.

i don't think anything you could say or do could prove that you authentically believe that asking questions and joking about the answers is 'creating chaos' because it's a ludicrous statement to begin with, and it's a statement that you haven't even really explained yet.

but also defending yourself against dunya does nothing to do create pressure against me, and also you're not even voting for me, you're also not even voting for me? what do you hope to learn like that?

This read weird to anyone else?

[falcon45ca]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

basically nothing has changed. the fact that he's done absolutely nothing with his read reinforces that it's something he doesn't truly believe in. he hasn't followed up on it at all nor has he tried to convince any other people of it's validity, nor has he asked any follow up questions or even voted for me as he would if it was meant as a townie prod.

You're a dum dum head if you don't think me explaining my read on you to several different players isn't proof of my belief in its validity.

Is Kyle dumb or is he mafia?

I belive him to be dumb.

[falcon45ca]

@Kylemii have you read falcon today? has your opinion on how he interacted with you felt the same?

basically nothing has changed. the fact that he's done absolutely nothing with his read reinforces that it's something he doesn't truly believe in. he hasn't followed up on it at all nor has he tried to convince any other people of it's validity, nor has he asked any follow up questions or even voted for me as he would if it was meant as a townie prod.

You're a dum dum head if you don't think me explaining my read on you to several different players isn't proof of my belief in its validity.

i don't think anything you could say or do could prove that you authentically believe that asking questions and joking about the answers is 'creating chaos' because it's a ludicrous statement to begin with, and it's a statement that you haven't even really explained yet.

but also defending yourself against dunya does nothing to do create pressure against me, and also you're not even voting for me, you're also not even voting for me? what do you hope to learn like that?

I don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.