Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[dunya]

I've given my read on Guillo, and while I found that post of dunya re: my views on kyle's earlier posts false narrative, I find more of her posts to be towny.

still at it. why does a townie post false narrative? are you saying i posted in bad faith? how can you find me townie if you believe that?


btw, be careful, you started the day at 62 posts your limit is 162 till 5pm

@Marmot you're also pretty close to your limit ftr. (also have we lost the "mention" button tag in our update? cos sometimes posting @ and typing doesn't give me a scroll)

Cuz I'm mature enough to admit when I may have misinterpreted a post or it's motivation. Re: false narrative, I said "I found", not "I find", as in I no longer believe that to be the case.


Thanks for the post count heads up, wasn't sure where I was at.

ohhh ok. hmm. that changes a lot. (i'm still catching up vs. live timing, bear with me)

[tedxtr]

tedxtr: the whole "i misunderstood something something it's all fine now" to his only read in the game without clarifying stuff is another reason i think he's bad.

i don't think you're reading my posts

yes or no?

[dunya]

i mean 'mommy' is probably tutuu, from context clues i think she's adopted everyone at least once

That's what I thought too, but dunya and I are shielding each other to the death, so I wondered if that was the reference here.

is it out of love or sabotage?

(love you <3 )

[tedxtr]

it’s already in my iso

[VOTE: hollowkatt ] aubergine

Have you asked, at all, why I wolf read you? You're talking past me as if you already have my alignment determined instead of trying to address me directly. You're talking about me not to me and I think that's shady AF

as i've already stated, my previous encounters with you were tunneling aimlessly, so i don't see any value in it.

apparently you decided i'm a wolf for yet another reason, which is that i don't care about your read on me. and then confbiasing yourself into thinking it's scummy.

[dunya]

tedxtr: the whole "i misunderstood something something it's all fine now" to his only read in the game without clarifying stuff is another reason i think he's bad.

i don't think you're reading my posts

yes or no?

im in the middle of page 17.

[dunya]

it’s already in my iso

[VOTE: hollowkatt ] aubergine

Have you asked, at all, why I wolf read you? You're talking past me as if you already have my alignment determined instead of trying to address me directly. You're talking about me not to me and I think that's shady AF

as i've already stated, my previous encounters with you were tunneling aimlessly, so i don't see any value in it.

apparently you decided i'm a wolf for yet another reason, which is that i don't care about your read on me. and then confbiasing yourself into thinking it's scummy.

how does that make hollowkatt mafia and justify you voting for him? you're talking to him as though he's tunneled town confbiasing you as scum.

[tedxtr]

i'm not gonna make a big show about it, maybe it's better if i die d1

i do think i'm usually a very valuable asset, and trust me when i say you wouldn't catch me in a million years with something like what you all claim is so wolfy for me

not in the mood to deal with all the nonsense, and as most of you already know, i am a hard hitter as days move on

if you think my explanations don't make sense then godspeed, get me out early

[tedxtr]

it’s already in my iso

[VOTE: hollowkatt ] aubergine

Have you asked, at all, why I wolf read you? You're talking past me as if you already have my alignment determined instead of trying to address me directly. You're talking about me not to me and I think that's shady AF

as i've already stated, my previous encounters with you were tunneling aimlessly, so i don't see any value in it.

apparently you decided i'm a wolf for yet another reason, which is that i don't care about your read on me. and then confbiasing yourself into thinking it's scummy.

how does that make hollowkatt mafia and justify you voting for him? you're talking to him as though he's tunneled town confbiasing you as scum.

who said that makes him mafia?

i've made a separate post on why i thought and think he is a wolf, and your latter deduction is wrong

dunya confirmed not reading my posts, strike 2

[dunya]

dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

Not to be a party pooper, but I don't think mommy wants us doing this sort of thing.

what does this mean?

tutuu is mommy. I was referring to this:

Sportsmanlike rule: If you are town, try to be mindful of how much trust tells ruin deception games like Mafia. If you want to express a lot of frustration at someone, your first instinct should be "If I was Mafia in this position and if I was a liar, would I feel uncomfortable faking all of this frustration I am about to express?"
If the answer is yes, you should not make that post as town. If the answer is no - go ahead.
In a similar veins please don't abuse trust tells that skew the winrate into only one of the alignment (for instance "I never bus as wolf" or "I would never kill a newcomer n1 on the Syndicate" < that one gives u a dirty townread imo). The most common trust tell is ("I'm more rude as town than as Mafia").
Please be empathic towards your opposing team, Mafia is a competitive game!

Seems like the spirit of the rule is to avoid things like meta tells. I could just be reading too much into it though.

i think it is more like, if marmot was voting for me and i cursed out marmot and got super aggressive and angry and raged, people would be like, wow wtf dunia has NEVER done that, dunia would NEVER do that as mafia that is way out of her "scum range" lock her as town!

less of those kinda posts probably.

more good fashioned mafia hunting

[Marmot]

[VOTE: dunia] aubergine

[dunya]

it’s already in my iso

[VOTE: hollowkatt ] aubergine

Have you asked, at all, why I wolf read you? You're talking past me as if you already have my alignment determined instead of trying to address me directly. You're talking about me not to me and I think that's shady AF

as i've already stated, my previous encounters with you were tunneling aimlessly, so i don't see any value in it.

apparently you decided i'm a wolf for yet another reason, which is that i don't care about your read on me. and then confbiasing yourself into thinking it's scummy.

how does that make hollowkatt mafia and justify you voting for him? you're talking to him as though he's tunneled town confbiasing you as scum.

who said that makes him mafia?

i've made a separate post on why i thought and think he is a wolf, and your latter deduction is wrong

dunya confirmed not reading my posts, strike 2

i told you, i'm on page 17. im catching up and trying to stay current when i post and see new posts

you sentence there: "as i've already stated, my previous encounters with you were tunneling aimlessly, so i don't see any value in it.

apparently you decided i'm a wolf for yet another reason, which is that i don't care about your read on me. and then confbiasing yourself into thinking it's scummy."

how does that read to you? that reads as tmi if you're scum reading hollowkatt tbh.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: jpic ] aubergine

[dunya]

"hollowkatt is tunneling and confbiasing me as scum and no matter what i say he won't change his mind"

^ that's stubborn townie.

"hollowkatt is posting false narratives about me and shading me without listening to reason because i am easy bait"

^ example of how you can present someone as scum.

i dunno how to explain it. that post (regardless of any other post) sounds like you're fed up of a townie tunnel on you.

[Long Con]

i'm not gonna make a big show about it, maybe it's better if i die d1

i do think i'm usually a very valuable asset, and trust me when i say you wouldn't catch me in a million years with something like what you all claim is so wolfy for me

not in the mood to deal with all the nonsense, and as most of you already know, i am a hard hitter as days move on

if you think my explanations don't make sense then godspeed, get me out early

I don't think you're there yet? I am not planning on voting for you.

[dunya]

[VOTE: dunia] aubergine

[tedxtr]

i'm not gonna make a big show about it, maybe it's better if i die d1

i do think i'm usually a very valuable asset, and trust me when i say you wouldn't catch me in a million years with something like what you all claim is so wolfy for me

not in the mood to deal with all the nonsense, and as most of you already know, i am a hard hitter as days move on

if you think my explanations don't make sense then godspeed, get me out early

I don't think you're there yet? I am not planning on voting for you.

pretty sure i'm top wagon and will stay that way

[tedxtr]

"hollowkatt is tunneling and confbiasing me as scum and no matter what i say he won't change his mind"

^ that's stubborn townie.

"hollowkatt is posting false narratives about me and shading me without listening to reason because i am easy bait"

^ example of how you can present someone as scum.

i dunno how to explain it. that post (regardless of any other post) sounds like you're fed up of a townie tunnel on you.

you're reading it wrong then

[tedxtr]

anyway, go read jpic's iso

[Long Con]

i'm not gonna make a big show about it, maybe it's better if i die d1

i do think i'm usually a very valuable asset, and trust me when i say you wouldn't catch me in a million years with something like what you all claim is so wolfy for me

not in the mood to deal with all the nonsense, and as most of you already know, i am a hard hitter as days move on

if you think my explanations don't make sense then godspeed, get me out early

I don't think you're there yet? I am not planning on voting for you.

pretty sure i'm top wagon and will stay that way

Is the poll even accurate?

[Long Con]

anyway, go read jpic's iso

Okey dokey. Just in a Zoom class right now tho.

[tedxtr]

i'm not gonna make a big show about it, maybe it's better if i die d1

i do think i'm usually a very valuable asset, and trust me when i say you wouldn't catch me in a million years with something like what you all claim is so wolfy for me

not in the mood to deal with all the nonsense, and as most of you already know, i am a hard hitter as days move on

if you think my explanations don't make sense then godspeed, get me out early

I don't think you're there yet? I am not planning on voting for you.

pretty sure i'm top wagon and will stay that way

Is the poll even accurate?

i think the only votes i've seen itt are on me and those are the only ones that count

[Justplayingitcool]

anyway, go read jpic's iso

ok, anything you dislike?

I'm catching up at the moment so I haven't had time to read the thread

[Justplayingitcool]

Also hiiii kyleee. Shit we haven't played together in forever. Other than that burglary not to be named

[Guillotine]

i'm not gonna make a big show about it, maybe it's better if i die d1

i do think i'm usually a very valuable asset, and trust me when i say you wouldn't catch me in a million years with something like what you all claim is so wolfy for me

We did in less 48 hours, hey, even the best players slip up like noobs once in a while.

[tedxtr]

<=== obv town here

Remember when you scumread me for making this exact same post

Are you threatening a scumread of me, what do you think I am from this post?

NAI.

Why, should I be scum reading you off it?

<=== obv town here

Remember when you scumread me for making this exact same post

Are you threatening a scumread of me, what do you think I am from this post?

NAI.

Why, should I be scum reading you off it?

I am encouraging everyone to scumread me this game, so I suppose you could.

The question is, do you?

why on earth are you encouraging everyone to scum read you? Kinda want to townread that lol

Good morning

Can I get cliffs, please?

Can I get cliffs pls

[hollowkatt]

the pity the fool card says right there on it that it only triggers damage with town mana.

meaning the mafia probably have their own lands and mana costs etc etc etc. Mafia guillotine would be accutely aware of having his own lands, and wouldn't have need to make that post (except in situations where it's a silly prank for wifom)

I expecct mafia to have their own lands, I expect them to have their own actions in addition to the stated global wolf actions, and that's part of the reason I wolf read Ted.
He did say earlier that he thought it might be difficult to produce 3 mana.
I know I can produce 3 with ease, and have done so already. It would stand to reason that wolves, being able to better coordinate their mana pools and share with each other, maybe can't produce 3 natively. Therefore extending that to "townies maybe struggle to get to 3 mana" to ME is indicative that Ted is a wolf.

This aligns with my belief that scum cant produce mana, they rely on towns naively giving it to them or maybe syphon it after they killed their target with mana?

If Punish The Fool is an anti-claim mechanic where it can potentially kill someone who receives all 3 mana from someone, i as a host would not give scum land that they can produce mana with, give it to a townie and then target it with punish the fool which cant be blocked.

I think we are the only ones who can produce mana with our lands and they need to figure out who we give mana to so they can use best their punish the fool ability, which means we can just lie about it and make them miss shots!

I gave my three mana to kyle

This makes a lot of sense with regards to punish the fool, but I struggle to justify this with role madness yeah? Also, if wolves can't make mana at all they can't ever use their NK card unless town gives them mana, right? I think we have to throw out the idea that wolves can't produce anything, but I do think there's merit in "wolves can't produce much".

otherwise nobody hands any mana out to anyone else, we just chop POE on the daily, and win, right?
Like the Wolf Pack card costs 3 and Tap to activate to deal 10 to a player. That's their NK card. If they can't produce anything at all, they can't NK unless townies give them mana and I don't think that's ever a thing.

If anyone did not hand out mana as an strategy, they can punish the fool on anyone as mana is self applied if the player does not tap lands.

wrongo dongo muchacho!
Punish the fool states: 3 Tap: deal four times x damage to them where x is the amount of mana that they have received from other members of the town this night.
If nobody hands out mana, punish the fool does Absolutely Nothing.

[tedxtr]

i'm not gonna make a big show about it, maybe it's better if i die d1

i do think i'm usually a very valuable asset, and trust me when i say you wouldn't catch me in a million years with something like what you all claim is so wolfy for me

We did in less 48 hours, hey, even the best players slip up like noobs once in a while.

yeah, i'm caught and don't know what to do

i'm likely gonna claim the fake claim that i was provided

[Justplayingitcool]

<=== obv town here

Remember when you scumread me for making this exact same post

Are you threatening a scumread of me, what do you think I am from this post?

NAI.

Why, should I be scum reading you off it?

<=== obv town here

Remember when you scumread me for making this exact same post

Are you threatening a scumread of me, what do you think I am from this post?

NAI.

Why, should I be scum reading you off it?

I am encouraging everyone to scumread me this game, so I suppose you could.

The question is, do you?

why on earth are you encouraging everyone to scum read you? Kinda want to townread that lol

Good morning

Can I get cliffs, please?

Can I get cliffs pls

Yeah, I'm scum for asking cliffs

[Guillotine]

the pity the fool card says right there on it that it only triggers damage with town mana.

meaning the mafia probably have their own lands and mana costs etc etc etc. Mafia guillotine would be accutely aware of having his own lands, and wouldn't have need to make that post (except in situations where it's a silly prank for wifom)

I expecct mafia to have their own lands, I expect them to have their own actions in addition to the stated global wolf actions, and that's part of the reason I wolf read Ted.
He did say earlier that he thought it might be difficult to produce 3 mana.
I know I can produce 3 with ease, and have done so already. It would stand to reason that wolves, being able to better coordinate their mana pools and share with each other, maybe can't produce 3 natively. Therefore extending that to "townies maybe struggle to get to 3 mana" to ME is indicative that Ted is a wolf.

This aligns with my belief that scum cant produce mana, they rely on towns naively giving it to them or maybe syphon it after they killed their target with mana?

If Punish The Fool is an anti-claim mechanic where it can potentially kill someone who receives all 3 mana from someone, i as a host would not give scum land that they can produce mana with, give it to a townie and then target it with punish the fool which cant be blocked.

I think we are the only ones who can produce mana with our lands and they need to figure out who we give mana to so they can use best their punish the fool ability, which means we can just lie about it and make them miss shots!

I gave my three mana to kyle

This makes a lot of sense with regards to punish the fool, but I struggle to justify this with role madness yeah? Also, if wolves can't make mana at all they can't ever use their NK card unless town gives them mana, right? I think we have to throw out the idea that wolves can't produce anything, but I do think there's merit in "wolves can't produce much".

otherwise nobody hands any mana out to anyone else, we just chop POE on the daily, and win, right?
Like the Wolf Pack card costs 3 and Tap to activate to deal 10 to a player. That's their NK card. If they can't produce anything at all, they can't NK unless townies give them mana and I don't think that's ever a thing.

If anyone did not hand out mana as an strategy, they can punish the fool on anyone as mana is self applied if the player does not tap lands.

wrongo dongo muchacho!
Punish the fool states: 3 Tap: deal four times x damage to them where x is the amount of mana that they have received from other members of the town this night.
If nobody hands out mana, punish the fool does Absolutely Nothing.

Oh i see, so it gotta be mana people have received from others for it to work. Ok.

I gave all 3 mana to Urist

[tedxtr]

people that played mtg : bro this should've been obvious to you, like it is for me, even though you didn't play mtg at all

me : but i've played another mash and that's why i assumed it works that way, since it doesn't say anything about it anywhere in this game explicitly

people : nah bro you're caught gg go to bed

[dunya]

left them out because they're yhour TEAMMATES huh? punk?

I wiish!!!

I read ted's iso. He's had more to say about mech than anything else, but his tone and comfort are good. I'd lean town, so would prefer to yeet elsewhere today.

i got the feeling he didn't enjoy the attention. can you give me a quote or two where you feel he was comfortable?

New players, same colours

Marmot
dunya
Epignosis
Guillo
Kyle
Jack
DrWilgy
ted
Enrique
hollowkat
JPIC
Long Con
MacDougall
Nicol Bolas
Urist
falcon
Made

wow, i started moving players around to indicate where they would be for me, but i disagree a lot i think. urist, macd, lc higher up, wilgy, ted lower and guillo maybe 1 level lower.

nicol bolas started strong, but has she kinda disappeared today?

[hollowkatt]

it’s already in my iso

[VOTE: hollowkatt ] aubergine

Have you asked, at all, why I wolf read you? You're talking past me as if you already have my alignment determined instead of trying to address me directly. You're talking about me not to me and I think that's shady AF

as i've already stated, my previous encounters with you were tunneling aimlessly, so i don't see any value in it.

apparently you decided i'm a wolf for yet another reason, which is that i don't care about your read on me. and then confbiasing yourself into thinking it's scummy.

lol ok, glgl with that. I've laid out a few times the basis for my wolf read and yet you come back at me with "aimless tunnel" and "no value", and now you think I'm confbiasing myself into thinking you're a wolf and yet you have never actually engaged with the basis of the wolf read on you.

you're attempting to deflect or reduce, not engage.

[tedxtr]

i got the feeling he didn't enjoy the attention. can you give me a quote or two where you feel he was comfortable?

which i'm not in either alignment, especially early on

you out of all people should know this

[hollowkatt]

i'm not gonna make a big show about it, maybe it's better if i die d1

i do think i'm usually a very valuable asset, and trust me when i say you wouldn't catch me in a million years with something like what you all claim is so wolfy for me

not in the mood to deal with all the nonsense, and as most of you already know, i am a hard hitter as days move on

if you think my explanations don't make sense then godspeed, get me out early

ok
[VOTE: Ted] aubergine but harder

[tedxtr]

ok good luck

[hollowkatt]

it’s already in my iso

[VOTE: hollowkatt ] aubergine

Have you asked, at all, why I wolf read you? You're talking past me as if you already have my alignment determined instead of trying to address me directly. You're talking about me not to me and I think that's shady AF

as i've already stated, my previous encounters with you were tunneling aimlessly, so i don't see any value in it.

apparently you decided i'm a wolf for yet another reason, which is that i don't care about your read on me. and then confbiasing yourself into thinking it's scummy.

how does that make hollowkatt mafia and justify you voting for him? you're talking to him as though he's tunneled town confbiasing you as scum.

who said that makes him mafia?

i've made a separate post on why i thought and think he is a wolf, and your latter deduction is wrong

dunya confirmed not reading my posts, strike 2

no, dunya is right here, you're addressing me as if I'm confbiased town. How do you justify that with your earlier wolf read? which is it Ted, go on the record please. Am I a Wolf or am I confbiased Town?

[tedxtr]

i'll maybe be back when thread isn't talking only about me

not sure how this happens every single time, and that's not the problem in and of itself, it's more that there's literally no talk about anyone else when it's me that's under suspicion

[tedxtr]

it’s already in my iso

[VOTE: hollowkatt ] aubergine

Have you asked, at all, why I wolf read you? You're talking past me as if you already have my alignment determined instead of trying to address me directly. You're talking about me not to me and I think that's shady AF

as i've already stated, my previous encounters with you were tunneling aimlessly, so i don't see any value in it.

apparently you decided i'm a wolf for yet another reason, which is that i don't care about your read on me. and then confbiasing yourself into thinking it's scummy.

how does that make hollowkatt mafia and justify you voting for him? you're talking to him as though he's tunneled town confbiasing you as scum.

who said that makes him mafia?

i've made a separate post on why i thought and think he is a wolf, and your latter deduction is wrong

dunya confirmed not reading my posts, strike 2

no, dunya is right here, you're addressing me as if I'm confbiased town. How do you justify that with your earlier wolf read? which is it Ted, go on the record please. Am I a Wolf or am I confbiased Town?

still tunneled, as either alignment, like i've already said, since wolves can still go for tunnels on people and confbias themselves too

[dunya]

so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

that was more my point, i assume they won’t use it every time.

unless their roles are pretty terrible

ok friends, i'm going to contribute a hot take so me and Marmot can be friends and i can supatown and stuff.

*ahem* I feel like Ted is town. It's weird to argue that you should give mana to POE. That's really hard argument to make. It might be right (It's what I'm doing with my mana), but like making that argument as scum so clearly benefits scum who can't escape PoE.

Ted is also openly talking about stuff that seems really scummy at face value. After the above quote he then began to argue that because fool is a card in this game that there are town players who likely don't have enough mana to do their own shit...which makes sense, but it's is also the kinda thing that you probably shouldn't talk about as town, so I'd personally expect scum would think twice about talking about it too, because it looks scum af. What i'm getting at is Ted is too scummy too early in ways that aren't necessary. Why risk the heat this early?? I think it's unlikely to be a hit.

ok, thank you for your time. please adjust your reads accordingly.

and don't forget, towncores aren't formed, they're Made™

may i ask why anyone would sacrifice mana they need on d1?

forget the whole mana thing, because i can agree the game is complex and likely everyone is confused about how lands are tapped mana gained etc, regardless of alignment.

what about his interactions/reads with/on hollowkatt and LC? i don't see you really brought those things up.

[Guillotine]

i got the feeling he didn't enjoy the attention. can you give me a quote or two where you feel he was comfortable?

which i'm not in either alignment, especially early on

you out of all people should know this

Ive seen your avatar before.... do you like anime?

[tedxtr]

and made probably has the best read in the game on me

probably a villager, hope he isn't going for the pocket

[tedxtr]

i got the feeling he didn't enjoy the attention. can you give me a quote or two where you feel he was comfortable?

which i'm not in either alignment, especially early on

you out of all people should know this

Ive seen your avatar before.... do you like anime?

i'm insomnia from mu

[dunya]

i got the feeling he didn't enjoy the attention. can you give me a quote or two where you feel he was comfortable?

which i'm not in either alignment, especially early on

you out of all people should know this

this one post isn't directly about you, but more about marmot's interpretation you are comfortable. do you agree with it?

[tedxtr]

and thestatusquo on another site

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

it’s already in my iso

[VOTE: hollowkatt ] aubergine

Have you asked, at all, why I wolf read you? You're talking past me as if you already have my alignment determined instead of trying to address me directly. You're talking about me not to me and I think that's shady AF

as i've already stated, my previous encounters with you were tunneling aimlessly, so i don't see any value in it.

apparently you decided i'm a wolf for yet another reason, which is that i don't care about your read on me. and then confbiasing yourself into thinking it's scummy.

how does that make hollowkatt mafia and justify you voting for him? you're talking to him as though he's tunneled town confbiasing you as scum.

who said that makes him mafia?

i've made a separate post on why i thought and think he is a wolf, and your latter deduction is wrong

dunya confirmed not reading my posts, strike 2

no, dunya is right here, you're addressing me as if I'm confbiased town. How do you justify that with your earlier wolf read? which is it Ted, go on the record please. Am I a Wolf or am I confbiased Town?

still tunneled, as either alignment, like i've already said, since wolves can still go for tunnels on people and confbias themselves too

I don't follow you at all tbh.
Like ok, if I'm town and I'm tunneled I'm confbiased, but if I'm wolf and I'm pushing you this hard why would you still use tunnel and confbias, and not just "wolf push"?
Like I don't know you from Adam, why would I, as wolf, latch on to you, be the primary driver of your wagon (and if you flip town the person people will most examine next day), if I can just sheep guillotine or vanity wagon somewhere on flimsy reasoning.

Likewise, why, if I'm wolf flailing for a case against you are people saying they think it makes sense, and that you could be a wolf here? I'm half expecting you to say your wagon is the most impure wagon of all time and that town should just chop through it to win the game.

[tedxtr]

i got the feeling he didn't enjoy the attention. can you give me a quote or two where you feel he was comfortable?

which i'm not in either alignment, especially early on

you out of all people should know this

this one post isn't directly about you, but more about marmot's interpretation you are comfortable. do you agree with it?

idk, i'd like to think i'm comfortable with early accusations on me, even trolling at times

[dunya]

Spoiler: show

so, the LC thing...

@Urist

so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

at first i looked at this and it was fine, you can tell, however, that he didn't really seemed suspicious of my post, because he didn't ask me any questions, etc etc.

so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

When I read it with the idea that it "reads like ted is a wolf", tow things jump out at me. One, his use of "instinct" feels wild and wolfy... but that's just for laughs. Two, more serious, he's casually downplaying the concern about this ability.

this is where my misunderstanding came into play, i thought this post was saying that he looked through the scope of me being wolf and could see some things, but he wasn't like "i believe this post is a wolf". my brain somehow thought this post was actually refuting your arguments somehow (i have no effin idea, my reading comprehension must've been that poor)

so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

When I read it with the idea that it "reads like ted is a wolf", tow things jump out at me. One, his use of "instinct" feels wild and wolfy... but that's just for laughs. Two, more serious, he's casually downplaying the concern about this ability.

so then, when you started biting more, i thought he was throwing logs in the fire that you created while not thinking about my alignment too much

in that post ^ because i don't think he was necessarily wolf reading me

and then in this one

Also, "for our team" lol
guy reads like a middle manager trying to be one of the bois

Or "hello fellow townies".

and this is the post that made me vote him, because he's not said i'm a wolf for anything but tried to pace your world view in this post as well as the other and make you more tunneled without saying much by himself, if he had a genuine suspicion i think it would've been seen in his first post commenting on my post...

wow took you long enough to explain that. hmmm, theres some typos that make it 90% clear rather than 100% what you're saying but maybe i can actually see that being legit.

[tedxtr]

Likewise, why, if I'm wolf flailing for a case against you are people saying they think it makes sense, and that you could be a wolf here? I'm half expecting you to say your wagon is the most impure wagon of all time and that town should just chop through it to win the game.

don't know where any of your expectations come from

but ime d1 votes rarely matter and wolves are more likely to town read me in this time due to how nonsensical the push on me is

and wolves like to make sense, ergo to town read me or ignore the whole deal

[dunya]

left them out because they're yhour TEAMMATES huh? punk?

I wiish!!!

I read ted's iso. He's had more to say about mech than anything else, but his tone and comfort are good. I'd lean town, so would prefer to yeet elsewhere today.

dumb reads d0 that i shouldn't care to formulate

but hk's "is it just me or is esooa super wordy" feels off, not sure if it does for anyone else

not gonna write a bunch of words on it because i'm not sure if it's anything yet, but maybe it inspires something in someone

I'd like more words when you get a chance ted on this hk read, but I do like the tone in this post, particularly line 1.

just read page 6 and page 7 and see if hk's handling of esooa makes any sense

on bottom of page 6 he was talking to esooa as if he was town reading her and then he makes that wolfy post from a mindset of suspecting her

seemed like a TMI slip from a woalf that doesn't know how to handle his targets although he knows being aggressive and pushing your reads is looked at as villagery, but can't actually deliver.

i mean, he says a few reasons for why esooa is a wolf, then he makes this post

distrustful of bolesooa and ajanitina atm

@hollowkatt

care to explain this post from earlier?

yeah, the amount of times you were talking about your mana needs gave me the willies. guillotina I dunno, I have a hard time reading reaction images and some of the reactions didn't seem to fit some of the posts.

Like ok, all of us have mana abilities (I assume) so yeah, mana and mana management are going to be things this game, plus wolves have an ability to nuke someone based on the amount of mana they gain during a day phase, so! someone who's openly talking about mana needs either has no fear (which is possible) OR they're a wolf and know they aren't getting nuked (also possible)

I have an ability which as explained can literally not be used without me being given a specific kind of mana

do you expect me to just do nothing with my ability or land this game?

Because that doesn't seem very useful to me.

So I decided to ask about how we will figure out things like Mana distribution among town

This post really doesn't sit well with me because it's lacking so many things. HK doesn't seem to consider the usefulness in giving some amount of coordination to town, HK doesn't see the usefulness in me giving information to town that I believe helps us inform our decisions, HK doesn't look at my posts and see I never asked for Mana and have been saying we shouldn't do that in thread

Esooa is missing massive amounts of what I've said, is ignoring my actual concerns, and continues going on and on about how apparently I don't see her posts.
Gonna be super fun when we're T/T and tunnel each other.
I never said you're asking for mana, I said wolves can nuke you if they know how much you've been given or even have an idea.

I never said don't ask, I never said there isn't usefulness in coordination.
You're putting words into my mouth and twisting things. STAHP DOING THAT.

We'll figure out mana distribution as we continue to play. We don't need to figure that out D0. but whatever, have a dumb tunnel, congrats.

i mean, he's talking to her like she has her as a villager.

and then he made this post?

Is it just me or is Bolesooa super duper wordy?

doesn't really make much sense, progression wise

Here's a rainbow before I sleep. The yellow reads are mostly null due to lack of content/interaction.

Marmot
dunya
Epignosis
Guillo
Kyle
Jack
DrWilgy
Enrique
JPIC
Long Con
MacDougall
Nicol Bolas
Urist
falcon
Made

Talk to me about them baddie reads.

I find it somewhat strange that he's not voting with his top town reads on someone he also has as one of his top scum reads.

what's "strange" about it exactly? in what way is it strange? why do you think he's not doing that?

[dunya]

ah fuck, ignore the ted post chain there lol. that's for another post.