Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[tedxtr]

i rarely solve d1 much or push anything, i like to see things play out

if you want more reads out of me it's not gonna happen until later on, since i was forced to defend myself 90% of the time

[dunya]

DrWilgy may have posted a low number of times, but the content in his posts are not the sort of things I expect from DrWolfy.

what do you expect from drwolfy?

or if you prefer to answer, what specifically from drwilgy made you feel better about him than all your null reads? i dont remember his posts, i'll iso after caught up.

[Justplayingitcool]

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

Why are we voting Ted?

[dunya]

I dont think scum have lands. Because they could just give mana to a player of their choice who they really wanna kill for sure and target it with kill the fool.

How do they get mana for their artifacts then?

I dont know, but it makes no bloody sense that they can kill someone with an anti-claim mechanic they can control, that is 100% not counterable.

Maybe there's enough power in civilian cards to counter some of the damage. The Wolf Pack card is counterable, even if the Pity the Fool isn't.

"hmmmm" emoji here

I'm not saying I have such power, avert your eyes mafia! I'm just saying that that it likely the case considering the firepower the scum have.

it was more a 'hmm' about the previous comments in the chain

what about that previous comment made you go hmmmm?

[tedxtr]

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

i actually thought he was one of few people to have a villagery read on me, can you elaborate?

[dunya]

ugh that last past got too much back and forth for me to care tbh. skimming.

but wolfy popins from jack noted ;p

[dunya]

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

no.

kyle is like the bodice of reason in this game with marmot. we are the 3 musketeers, don't touch.

[dunya]

bodice lmao.

voice, autocorrect, i meant voice.

[Justplayingitcool]

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

i actually thought he was one of few people to have a villagery read on me, can you elaborate?

35 posts of mostly filler, and questions that didn't really go anywhere. Felt like low-effort posts to blend in.

[Justplayingitcool]

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

no.

kyle is like the bodice of reason in this game with marmot. we are the 3 musketeers, don't touch.

why

[tedxtr]

on a re-read, i may have gotten overexcited at someone nailing me correctly and thus wanting to ez town read made, since i don't really get what he's saying in the first line lol

[Justplayingitcool]

Are you in a wolf team with marmot & kyle, dunia?

nice open wolfing

[dunya]

i joined this game to have fun, and fully intend to not let things get too mechanicallydeep, while i form long lasting friendships and

[tedxtr]

*ahem* I feel like Ted is town. It's weird to argue that you should give mana to POE. That's really hard argument to make. It might be right (It's what I'm doing with my mana), but like making that argument as scum so clearly benefits scum who can't escape PoE.

@Made can you explain this thing again?

[dunya]

Are you in a wolf team with marmot & kyle, dunia?

nice open wolfing

you're 4th bubbah

[tedxtr]

while i form long lasting friendships

well, we started on the wrong foot, but i'm down to let it go if you are

give me a sign

[Justplayingitcool]

Are you in a wolf team with marmot & kyle, dunia?

nice open wolfing

you're 4th bubbah

shhh

i was meant to be the deep wolf

[Urist]

Hello my dearest friends.
I might not have time to catch up before deadline. Did anything really important happen?
At a glance, the tedxtr wagon looks ominous and does not inspire confidence, especially with the lack of counterwagon.

[Urist]

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

no.

kyle is like the bodice of reason in this game with marmot. we are the 3 musketeers, don't touch.

I feel ridiculously snubbed. This is ridiculous.

[hollowkatt]

Likewise, why, if I'm wolf flailing for a case against you are people saying they think it makes sense, and that you could be a wolf here? I'm half expecting you to say your wagon is the most impure wagon of all time and that town should just chop through it to win the game.

don't know where any of your expectations come from

but ime d1 votes rarely matter and wolves are more likely to town read me in this time due to how nonsensical the push on me is

and wolves like to make sense, ergo to town read me or ignore the whole deal

so I'm not a wolf then, got it.

[tedxtr]

Likewise, why, if I'm wolf flailing for a case against you are people saying they think it makes sense, and that you could be a wolf here? I'm half expecting you to say your wagon is the most impure wagon of all time and that town should just chop through it to win the game.

don't know where any of your expectations come from

but ime d1 votes rarely matter and wolves are more likely to town read me in this time due to how nonsensical the push on me is

and wolves like to make sense, ergo to town read me or ignore the whole deal

so I'm not a wolf then, got it.

lol

[hollowkatt]

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

Why are we voting Ted?

cause he's a wolf

[Justplayingitcool]

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

Why are we voting Ted?

cause he's a wolf

Why are you scum reading ted?

[Kylemii]

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

no.

kyle is like the bodice of reason in this game with marmot. we are the 3 musketeers, don't touch.

bodice of reason

[Kylemii]

I was just fully ready to accept the simile "bodice of reason" like I'm holding things together for everyone but in an overtly fancy and slightly antiquated way

[hollowkatt]

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

Why are we voting Ted?

cause he's a wolf

Why are you scum reading ted?

look in my ISO, I've laid it out a few times now.

[Kylemii]

How do they get mana for their artifacts then?

I dont know, but it makes no bloody sense that they can kill someone with an anti-claim mechanic they can control, that is 100% not counterable.

Maybe there's enough power in civilian cards to counter some of the damage. The Wolf Pack card is counterable, even if the Pity the Fool isn't.

"hmmmm" emoji here

I'm not saying I have such power, avert your eyes mafia! I'm just saying that that it likely the case considering the firepower the scum have.

it was more a 'hmm' about the previous comments in the chain

what about that previous comment made you go hmmmm?

I explained it slightly later in a small amount of depth but basically this whole conversation relies on knowledge that is publically known to be at least probably false, that wolves would for sure know is false, (whether or not wolves have land cards)

everyone in that conversation (but most centrally guillotine) was seemingly not aware of that

[Kylemii]

basically a mafia who started with lands would only outwardly posit that mafia didn't start with lands for wifom and attention

[Urist]

so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

that was more my point, i assume they won’t use it every time.

unless their roles are pretty terrible

ok friends, i'm going to contribute a hot take so me and Marmot can be friends and i can supatown and stuff.

*ahem* I feel like Ted is town. It's weird to argue that you should give mana to POE. That's really hard argument to make. It might be right (It's what I'm doing with my mana), but like making that argument as scum so clearly benefits scum who can't escape PoE.

Ted is also openly talking about stuff that seems really scummy at face value. After the above quote he then began to argue that because fool is a card in this game that there are town players who likely don't have enough mana to do their own shit...which makes sense, but it's is also the kinda thing that you probably shouldn't talk about as town, so I'd personally expect scum would think twice about talking about it too, because it looks scum af. What i'm getting at is Ted is too scummy too early in ways that aren't necessary. Why risk the heat this early?? I think it's unlikely to be a hit.

ok, thank you for your time. please adjust your reads accordingly.

and don't forget, towncores aren't formed, they're Made™

I don't think it's wrong to take things at face value sometimes. I also don't think that ted viewed it as scummy when he first posted it. Even a townie wouldn't (shouldn't) post something they think is outwardly scummy.
I think a more accurate analysis of the situation is that ted posted something that he thought would be seen as helpful, and is now in full defense mode trying to cover his early mistakes.
I don't like your argument here, which essentially seems to be a "too scummy to be scum" argument.

[Long Con]

anyway, go read jpic's iso

His ISO is not very meaty. He's disdainful of mech discussion, which is towny, and wants to get down to some mountainous play... but is "disengaged", like dunya said. His disengagement from the reads and the rules looks all right though. He doesn't make me suspicious for the most part. Kind of dislike the "oh, as if I'm scum asking for Cliffs" line, that's the worst thing I have to say about him.

What's your take on it?

[Made]

*ahem* I feel like Ted is town. It's weird to argue that you should give mana to POE. That's really hard argument to make. It might be right (It's what I'm doing with my mana), but like making that argument as scum so clearly benefits scum who can't escape PoE.

@Made can you explain this thing again?

sure, basically, Ted is scummy in a way a wolf wouldn't choose to be scummy, even if open wolfing. Like open wolfing is like lolcatting and like "yeah, me and todd are teammates" stuff. I think he's town because I don't see a scum Ted being this carelessly scummy and seemingly unaware.

Where is everyone on falcon. I still think he might be a hit

[Made]

on a re-read, i may have gotten overexcited at someone nailing me correctly and thus wanting to ez town read made, since i don't really get what he's saying in the first line lol

dw, if i was trying to pocket you, you wouldn't know it

[Long Con]

Right now I wouldn't yeet Marmot, dunya, Guillo, Kylemii, JPIC off the top of my head. I have to review why the votes on ted are there. I'm voting Made right now because I didn't trust his falcon vote reasoning, and he was trying to give his mana away. Either alignment would know that we already discussed the danger of that if they were reading the thread. Made clearly wasn't reading the thread, and may have been trying to set up Pity The Fool. [VOTE: Made] aubergine

[Marmot]

left them out because they're yhour TEAMMATES huh? punk?

I wiish!!!

I read ted's iso. He's had more to say about mech than anything else, but his tone and comfort are good. I'd lean town, so would prefer to yeet elsewhere today.

i got the feeling he didn't enjoy the attention. can you give me a quote or two where you feel he was comfortable?

New players, same colours

Marmot
dunya
Epignosis
Guillo
Kyle
Jack
DrWilgy
ted
Enrique
hollowkat
JPIC
Long Con
MacDougall
Nicol Bolas
Urist
falcon
Made

wow, i started moving players around to indicate where they would be for me, but i disagree a lot i think. urist, macd, lc higher up, wilgy, ted lower and guillo maybe 1 level lower.

nicol bolas started strong, but has she kinda disappeared today?

I might be tunneling a little bit since my three red reads are quite compatible with each other, their independent scumminess aside.

As far as ted goes, I do agree that his comfort has dropped, but I think when I made that post, he was not the leading wagon, or at least not by much. I still don't feel any confidence that he's scum, but I would sheep players I trust.

Why do you townread Urist? Also MacDougall? Mac's content puts him firmly in null territory for me. If anything, I'd drop him slightly because the one interaction we had earlier felt extremely lackluster, but I'm writing it off as he's just not into the game yet.

DrWilgy may have posted a low number of times, but the content in his posts are not the sort of things I expect from DrWolfy.

what do you expect from drwolfy?

or if you prefer to answer, what specifically from drwilgy made you feel better about him than all your null reads? i dont remember his posts, i'll iso after caught up.

More obvious slanking and less offering of reads.

It's a read I'm not at all attached to.

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

i actually thought he was one of few people to have a villagery read on me, can you elaborate?

Does this make Made town? I'm confused.

i joined this game to have fun, and fully intend to not let things get too mechanicallydeep, while i form long lasting friendships and

I forced dunya to play this game for the same reason.

Are you in a wolf team with marmot & kyle, dunia?

nice open wolfing

The dream!!!!!

Although really, dunya and I are masons and we hijacked Kyle.

[Justplayingitcool]

I town read falcon for his balls to the wall play. not afraid to step on toes

[Marmot]

Sorry for the wallpost, but I'm running out of posts to use.

Also [VOTE: Made] aubergine, I'm coming back to this one.

[Made]

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

Why are we voting Ted?

the really annoying thing for me is gth you're town (unless ted is scum, which i don't think is the case.)
let's play a game. If i'm town, who's bad

[hollowkatt]

Right now I wouldn't yeet Marmot, dunya, Guillo, Kylemii, JPIC off the top of my head. I have to review why the votes on ted are there. I'm voting Made right now because I didn't trust his falcon vote reasoning, and he was trying to give his mana away. Either alignment would know that we already discussed the danger of that if they were reading the thread. Made clearly wasn't reading the thread, and may have been trying to set up Pity The Fool. [VOTE: Made] aubergine

yeah, trying to give mana away probably nagl

[Made]

Right now I wouldn't yeet Marmot, dunya, Guillo, Kylemii, JPIC off the top of my head. I have to review why the votes on ted are there. I'm voting Made right now because I didn't trust his falcon vote reasoning, and he was trying to give his mana away. Either alignment would know that we already discussed the danger of that if they were reading the thread. Made clearly wasn't reading the thread, and may have been trying to set up Pity The Fool. [VOTE: Made] aubergine

do you really think mafia would be giving their mana out to civilians to kill them when they have more efficient means to do so?

If you do think mafia would, do you think they would tell thread?

[Long Con]

Right now I wouldn't yeet Marmot, dunya, Guillo, Kylemii, JPIC off the top of my head. I have to review why the votes on ted are there. I'm voting Made right now because I didn't trust his falcon vote reasoning, and he was trying to give his mana away. Either alignment would know that we already discussed the danger of that if they were reading the thread. Made clearly wasn't reading the thread, and may have been trying to set up Pity The Fool. [VOTE: Made] aubergine

do you really think mafia would be giving their mana out to civilians to kill them when they have more efficient means to do so?

If you do think mafia would, do you think they would tell thread?

Not if they were paying attention.

[Long Con]

First half of falcon's ISO feels very free and breezy and engaged. Town read.

[Justplayingitcool]

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

Why are we voting Ted?

the really annoying thing for me is gth you're town (unless ted is scum, which i don't think is the case.)
let's play a game. If i'm town, who's bad

If you're town, then I'd suspect Marmot.

The only read I agree with him on is you. I town read falcon as mentioned and I also think Urist has been slightly townie as well, so that would be an instant

[Made]

Right now I wouldn't yeet Marmot, dunya, Guillo, Kylemii, JPIC off the top of my head. I have to review why the votes on ted are there. I'm voting Made right now because I didn't trust his falcon vote reasoning, and he was trying to give his mana away. Either alignment would know that we already discussed the danger of that if they were reading the thread. Made clearly wasn't reading the thread, and may have been trying to set up Pity The Fool. [VOTE: Made] aubergine

do you really think mafia would be giving their mana out to civilians to kill them when they have more efficient means to do so?

If you do think mafia would, do you think they would tell thread?

Not if they were paying attention.

I read baddie chat when i'm scum. Regardless, giving mana isn't a bad idea if you don't tell people who your giving it to, as well as don't telegraph who you're giving it to

(which is why i'm planning to keep my town reads close to chest this game)

[Made]

Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

Why are we voting Ted?

the really annoying thing for me is gth you're town (unless ted is scum, which i don't think is the case.)
let's play a game. If i'm town, who's bad

If you're town, then I'd suspect Marmot.

The only read I agree with him on is you. I town read falcon as mentioned and I also think Urist has been slightly townie as well, so that would be an instant

huh, yeah dope, ur town. Marmot is playing how i'd expect a bad player to play this early. He's developing a towncore that includes himself and probably at least a teammate.
What are you thoughts on Kyle and Epi? I'm not well read enough there, but GTH, there's a scum between the two

[Long Con]

Right now I wouldn't yeet Marmot, dunya, Guillo, Kylemii, JPIC off the top of my head. I have to review why the votes on ted are there. I'm voting Made right now because I didn't trust his falcon vote reasoning, and he was trying to give his mana away. Either alignment would know that we already discussed the danger of that if they were reading the thread. Made clearly wasn't reading the thread, and may have been trying to set up Pity The Fool. [VOTE: Made] aubergine

do you really think mafia would be giving their mana out to civilians to kill them when they have more efficient means to do so?

If you do think mafia would, do you think they would tell thread?

Not if they were paying attention.

I read baddie chat when i'm scum. Regardless, giving mana isn't a bad idea if you don't tell people who your giving it to, as well as don't telegraph who you're giving it to

(which is why i'm planning to keep my town reads close to chest this game)

I don't need any extra mana, for the record. My own mana covers my thing just fine.

In fact, please don't anyone give me mana, all it will do is make me vulnerable to Punish the Fool.

Just kidding, give me all the mana please. I can scale this mutha up and blow the game out of the water.

[tedxtr]

anyway, go read jpic's iso

His ISO is not very meaty. He's disdainful of mech discussion, which is towny, and wants to get down to some mountainous play... but is "disengaged", like dunya said. His disengagement from the reads and the rules looks all right though. He doesn't make me suspicious for the most part. Kind of dislike the "oh, as if I'm scum asking for Cliffs" line, that's the worst thing I have to say about him.

What's your take on it?

the posts i've quoted where he interacted with people (actually think it was like one person or two at most) are just generally awkward wolfish posts

and afaict he has no villagery posts still

what do you think about the dichotomy of him asking to get cliff'd each time he got back in thread and having no pushes and your thoughts about him being townie for "wanting to get down to some mountainous play" even though it doesn't show?

[Made]

anyway, go read jpic's iso

His ISO is not very meaty. He's disdainful of mech discussion, which is towny, and wants to get down to some mountainous play... but is "disengaged", like dunya said. His disengagement from the reads and the rules looks all right though. He doesn't make me suspicious for the most part. Kind of dislike the "oh, as if I'm scum asking for Cliffs" line, that's the worst thing I have to say about him.

What's your take on it?

the posts i've quoted where he interacted with people (actually think it was like one person or two at most) are just generally awkward wolfish posts

and afaict he has no villagery posts still

what do you think about the dichotomy of him asking to get cliff'd each time he got back in thread and having no pushes and your thoughts about him being townie for "wanting to get down to some mountainous play" even though it doesn't show?

Hi Ted, if Jpic is town, who is scum from your pov?

[Long Con]

anyway, go read jpic's iso

His ISO is not very meaty. He's disdainful of mech discussion, which is towny, and wants to get down to some mountainous play... but is "disengaged", like dunya said. His disengagement from the reads and the rules looks all right though. He doesn't make me suspicious for the most part. Kind of dislike the "oh, as if I'm scum asking for Cliffs" line, that's the worst thing I have to say about him.

What's your take on it?

the posts i've quoted where he interacted with people (actually think it was like one person or two at most) are just generally awkward wolfish posts

and afaict he has no villagery posts still

what do you think about the dichotomy of him asking to get cliff'd each time he got back in thread and having no pushes and your thoughts about him being townie for "wanting to get down to some mountainous play" even though it doesn't show?

I don't judge it too harshly because of how I play the early game myself. Some people take some time to get engaged, and I have to judge him based on how the posts he does have make me feel.

[Made]

Sorry for the wallpost, but I'm running out of posts to use.

Also [VOTE: Made] aubergine, I'm coming back to this one.

don't forget the limit is waved an hour from eod

[tedxtr]

also pretty weird post saying "why are we voting ted?" when a person finally reading the thread should weigh in with a better opinion, like he disagrees with the push or agrees with it, etc.

maybe it's his weird way of saying he doesn't think i'm a wolf though