Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Alison]

Strongman, sorry, not ninja. But there was a nokill one night so mafia doesn't have a strongman. So JPIC is only scum if there's two. If Michelle's claim checks out then she can only be scum with Dizzy because I think nook and Sloonei at least would pressure her to use it earlier.

[tutuu]

i didnt ask for this fucking situation why do i have to be the sole decider and it falls on me to decide between one person thinking ive made a dick move if it goes wrong and they get screwed over and the whole town thinking ive made a dick move if it ends up being wrong and we all lose and get screwed over. why dont i make every single one of you lose wouldnt that be the most fair

[Kylemii]

I am extremely upset that Kyle desconsidered the convo we had yday with LC when he said he will not take anyone from the poll. Stealing LCs ability and use it is antitown.
Taking exactly tutuu who was a CFD attempt from HK looks very bad especially after HKs flip.
Why died HK?
Why let mafia Kyle to help town so much? Something is not right

LC said he wasn't going to use it but did it anyway

LC didn't use it, Kyle used it on tutuu today after stealing it

LC claimed he used it on dizzy at the start of the day. obvs we know kyle stole it, but the intent was still there

I see.

My question stays, why is not mafia killing Kyle, who is constantly helping town apparently, and is not protected since forever? Why HK?

I'm sure they'll get around to it lol

I think I've just never been the biggest threat to them. when I was a parity cop jr there was an actual cop to contend with, after I yeeted nanook and helped yeet Ted I was basically out of apparent usefulness role-wise, and then I turned alison into a doctor and had a 1/3 chance of getting protected last night, alongside bigger role-threats

I do still think that HK was a strange kill. I don't think he was being widely town read or anything and was pretty much in line for the chop block, am I wrong on this?

[Alison]

Michelle can in theory be scum with Dizzy, she has some other role and they conspired to make it seem like she has a role that a scum would have used long ago. What is our mech on Dizzy?

[tutuu]

i also thought that dizzy + michelle team mechanically can make sense, it would explain wilgy getting dizzy's role from michelle (michelle could be the mafia 1-shot protector) and dizzy could be whatever role. dizzy could have manufactured that fake claim for michelle coz its super towny and michelle gets away with it

[Justplayingitcool]

i didnt ask for this fucking situation why do i have to be the sole decider and it falls on me to decide between one person thinking ive made a dick move if it goes wrong and they get screwed over and the whole town thinking ive made a dick move if it ends up being wrong and we all lose and get screwed over. why dont i make every single one of you lose wouldnt that be the most fair

Decide for yourself

I'm just saying what I think

[tutuu]

Michelle can in theory be scum with Dizzy, she has some other role and they conspired to make it seem like she has a role that a scum would have used long ago. What is our mech on Dizzy?

dizzy claims a 1-shot protector from all. we know this role exists coz wilgy peeked michelle and received this role

it was allegedly used on nutella on n3. martin is a jailkeeper (standard variation) who was notifeid that his roleblocked on nutella n3 failed, but his protection didnt fail

no other mech on dizzy afaik

[Alison]

i also thought that dizzy + michelle team mechanically can make sense, it would explain wilgy getting dizzy's role from michelle (michelle could be the mafia 1-shot protector) and dizzy could be whatever role. dizzy could have manufactured that fake claim for michelle coz its super towny and michelle gets away with it

Michelle's role can be proven.

We assume Michelle is town and select an exe based on that. Then we vote Michelle, and if Michelle is mafia she dies. If she's town she redirects the exe to whoever we selected.

[tutuu]

when did kyle try to steal michelle's role did he really receive nothing? let me check

[tutuu]

i also thought that dizzy + michelle team mechanically can make sense, it would explain wilgy getting dizzy's role from michelle (michelle could be the mafia 1-shot protector) and dizzy could be whatever role. dizzy could have manufactured that fake claim for michelle coz its super towny and michelle gets away with it

Michelle's role can be proven.

We assume Michelle is town and select an exe based on that. Then we vote Michelle, and if Michelle is mafia she dies. If she's town she redirects the exe to whoever we selected.

yea. we could try that today with syn if we decide to not not chop

[Justplayingitcool]

Dizzy very likely town from my PoV due to the roleblock and tightening the PoE

[Alison]

Dizzy very likely town from my PoV due to the roleblock and tightening the PoE

Dizzy was publicly known to be a roleblocker. He had to roleblock someone. It doesn't matter anyway since Michelle's claim can be tested.

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii

why did you hide tutuu again when LC said he wasn't going to use his ability?

same reason I didn't care when Tim said he was going to kill Made I guess

[Alison]

If there is no more use for Michelle's claimed power than it's always optimal to vote her and let her redirect the exe to whoever we agree upon.

[tutuu]

Michelle didn't have anything to steal

[tutuu]

wait

even if we agree to No Chop

we can force michelle to redirect it to No Chop

right?

so we should always vote michelle and have her confirm her power?

if her power is confirmed i think shes always town

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[Justplayingitcool]

Dizzy very likely town from my PoV due to the roleblock and tightening the PoE

Dizzy was publicly known to be a roleblocker. He had to roleblock someone. It doesn't matter anyway since Michelle's claim can be tested.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if dizzy roleblocked you and killed LC?

[tutuu]

michelle cant be the 1-shot night protector though (the role wilgy peeked)

because kyle would have saw it when he stole from michelle, and he didnt

so i dunno.

is it just syn?

or there is a team of 2 mafia members thats screwing up the authenticity of the mech

[Alison]

Dizzy very likely town from my PoV due to the roleblock and tightening the PoE

Dizzy was publicly known to be a roleblocker. He had to roleblock someone. It doesn't matter anyway since Michelle's claim can be tested.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if dizzy roleblocked you and killed LC?

I can't double target; I was on dizzy last night not LC.

[tutuu]

Dizzy very likely town from my PoV due to the roleblock and tightening the PoE

Dizzy was publicly known to be a roleblocker. He had to roleblock someone. It doesn't matter anyway since Michelle's claim can be tested.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if dizzy roleblocked you and killed LC?

he gets redirected and roleblocks himself i think? i dunno (if that, or if he would have gotten redirected to the previous bargainee - the dead made)

[Alison]

But also, Dizzy would still have to account for his roleblock the next day. So he would be outed if he used it to stop a doctor protecting people. And because I'd be told my attempts to offer a bargain failed, they'd know I was roleblocked and Dizzy was the one with the roleblock.

[Alison]

Dizzy very likely town from my PoV due to the roleblock and tightening the PoE

Dizzy was publicly known to be a roleblocker. He had to roleblock someone. It doesn't matter anyway since Michelle's claim can be tested.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if dizzy roleblocked you and killed LC?

he gets redirected and roleblocks himself i think? i dunno (if that, or if he would have gotten redirected to the previous bargainee - the dead made)

I chose to redirect votes for dizzy, not actions.

[Alison]

michelle cant be the 1-shot night protector though (the role wilgy peeked)

because kyle would have saw it when he stole from michelle, and he didnt

so i dunno.

is it just syn?

or there is a team of 2 mafia members thats screwing up the authenticity of the mech

2 mafia members would ruin all the mech we have.

[tutuu]

i dunno why dizzy roleblocked jpic instead of syn. why? @Dyslexicon

[tutuu]

alison
dizzy
hyena
jpic
kylemii
long con
michelle
syn
tutuu

i am removing mine and alison's names, and every possible combination of 2 becomes:

dizzy + hyena
dizzy + jpic
dizzy + kyle
dizzy + long con
dizzy + michelle
dizzy + syn
hyena + jpic
hyena + kyle
hyena + long con
hyena + michelle
hyena + syn
jpic + kyle
jpic + long con
jpic + michelle
jpic + syn
kyle + long con
kyle + michelle
kyle + syn
michelle + syn

i think im then supposed to like. go over the mech again and see if there are any changes for any combination. but. a bit later. thats a bunch of effort. maybe its time to revive the mech list. will need a lot of help with that one

[Justplayingitcool]

7 mafia + 2 3ps seems like a bit much in a 27 person game

[tutuu]

and i even messed up already i missed a few combinations T_T

[tutuu]

7 mafia + 2 3ps seems like a bit much in a 27 person game

they'd have no power and town has had a ton of power so i'd be fine with it

[Kylemii]

I feel like the number of people who kill HK should be a pretty narrow margin right? am I wrong in thinking HK was widely town read? why kill HK over someone with a more threatening role that would be harder to yeet?

[Justplayingitcool]

what was the mech on hyena?

hyena got tracked just targeting the two people from btsc i think, but that was back in day 4

[Alison]

I feel like the number of people who kill HK should be a pretty narrow margin right? am I wrong in thinking HK was widely town read? why kill HK over someone with a more threatening role that would be harder to yeet?

Most of the people that mafia would want to kill are hnder doctor aegis.

[Alison]

Alternative theory is that HK was killed for being tracked nowhere in order to imply that tracked nowhere -> green check when mafia have 2 members or a ninja. I don't know how many people in this game would think that way if they were mafia but it's something I would consider I think.

[Alison]

What is the argument for no exeing? By my count it doesn't give town an extra exe whether there's 1 or 2 mafia members.

[Michelle]

What is the argument for no exeing? By my count it doesn't give town an extra exe whether there's 1 or 2 mafia members.

Tell me is any mechanically cleared without a bargain with you?

[Michelle]

I am for narrowing the Poe, btw

[Alison]

What is the argument for no exeing? By my count it doesn't give town an extra exe whether there's 1 or 2 mafia members.

Tell me is any mechanically cleared without a bargain with you?

You are for all intents and purposes mechanically cleared, because we're going to vote you to check your claim and you're either going to die as an outed wolf or you'll be cleared at EOD.

JPIC is only scum if there's 2 wolves.

Hyena and Syn are uncleared.

[Michelle]

What is the argument for no exeing? By my count it doesn't give town an extra exe whether there's 1 or 2 mafia members.

Tell me is any mechanically cleared without a bargain with you?

You are for all intents and purposes mechanically cleared, because we're going to vote you to check your claim and you're either going to die as an outed wolf or you'll be cleared at EOD.

JPIC is only scum if there's 2 wolves.

Hyena and Syn are uncleared.

My role will pe proved at Eod.
I still don't know whom should i choose, but I am reading scum's Isos as much as I can to find things
I will share my ideas when I find a thing

[tutuu]

DEAD:
cat - yeeted d1 - post silencer. put in contact with jackofhearts during d2 by hyena's communicator role

marmot - yeeted d2 - tetris blockhead - long con claims to have played tetris on d2 so allegedly marmot visited LC n1; LC claimed to have lost because he did not receive his RB

nanook - killed n3 - mafia goon with no abilities. shot by kyle n3 using tim's vig shot. visited by syn who attempted to use jack's cop on him n3

Sloonei - baseball role - silenced d2 by syn. on night (i forgot which one) got outed by jack

tedxtr - sends songs to a person and nullifies their vote. michelle claims song n1. jpic claims song n2. any other claims?

112 - hypnotoad, was visited n2 by MR

dyachei - killed n1 - vengeful. attempted to be put in contact with (nutella?) during d3 by hyena's role, allegedly they were afk

mac - killed n2 - neighbourizer - targeted nutella at (some point?); nutella claims to have had BTSC with mac during d2 and n3; i think he was 1-shot. put in contact with timsup2nothing during d4 by hyena's role. She was put in contact with LC in a later date (clarify)

falcon - killed n3 - negative utility umm vanilla town - presumably dead because ran out of spiders. was peeked by kyle n1 and jailkept by martin n1

nutella - self-sacrificing martyr that can revive a dead player. used ability on n3 to revive jack succesfully. she was targeted by the jailkeeper martin n3 and allegedly by dizzy aswell. was in neighbourhood with mac. later with LC

DrWilgy - weird ass role, visited michelle on (when?). role-cop esque role. received the result of a 1-shot uber protetor.

JackofHearts2005 - some kind of cop that forces target to quote. holstered on all nights; thought his role is funny words. used action on Sloonei and TSP and MR i forgot on exact nights but they're all dead. modkilled on (when was it again? coz presuambly TSP was supposd to be modkilled coz he iddnt quote properly, so mafia tried to kill jack the nght before the modkill supposedly)

Made - oh god. uh. i dunno man. he could have redirected someone but fuck me.

Master Radishes - redirector that makes his target target himself. n1 - nanook to presumably no effect. n2 - 112 to some effect. n3 - hollowkatt to no effect according to hkat. has won a roleblock by syn's tetris, he used it to roleblock tim on n6. i forgot his other actions what were they?

MartinGG99 - standard jailkeeper (protect from nk and roleblock). n1 falcon. n2 JPIC. n3 nutella. he was told his roleblock only on nutella failed

hollowkatt - passive role that has self-defensive properties and that can't be disrupted. MR claims to have disrupted his target on n3. hollowkatt claims that he received no notification. tracked to nowhere on some night

Timsup2nothin - n3 vig. shot tutuu on n3. shot failed due to kyle sealing it. n6 tried to shoot MR. shot failed due to MR blocking it. lol

TonyStarkPrime - doctor. protected ... (i will check). presumably modkilled coz he didnt quote joe pesci properly, and jack along with him

LIVING:

Alison - claims 3p gambit demon. chooses a target at day, they converse during night and accept or reject, at the end of the following day the deal is sealed and on the following night target can use action.
n1 long con tracker effective as of n2
n2 kyle steal-power-for-1-night-of-person-u-voted effective as of n3
n3 falcon protective effective as of n4
n4 tedxtr busdriver
n5 made post restriction
n6 was this when she couldnt because kyle stole her ability?
n7 dizzy roleblocker
n8 tutuu silencer, also doctor'ed dizzy

(need clarification - when did kyle stole her ability). i remember she accepted becoming a doctor and she protected dizzy n8


Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3. 1-shot protector from all, wilgy saw this role exists. accepted alison's deal and became a roleblocker effective as of n8, which he used on JPIC. he also rolecopped michelle on n8, which he recived from syn on n7.

Hyena - a role that lets a dead person be in BTSC with living person. n1 - cat with jack (confirmed by jack). n2 - dyachei with (i forgot who, nutella?). n3 - mac with tim (confirmed by tim). tracked by long con during n3 and seen visiting tim and mac. need clarifiaction on his other targets i forgot them


JustPlayingitcool - makes a bet on top wagon over/under - reward is double voter or 0 voter. claims to have received ted's song on n2. tracked by LC on (which night?) and seen visiting noone. roleblocked by dizzy on n8.

Kylemii - claimed that he needed to be silenced during d2 to power himself up. he needed to complete a bunch of tasks that included that, as well as not receiving votes and some other stuff. he peeked: n1 falcon, n2 LC, n3 tutuu, n4 ted. on n4 he got a "ding ding ding bell" telling him that he has successfully peeked both at least 1 town and at least 1 mafai. also used alison's power steal to steal tim's shot on n3 and use it to shoot nanook. played baseball on day 3 (so targeted n2) and hit the ball. who were his other steal targets and what did he do with those? on all days?

Long Con - removes people from the poll. claims to have played tetris on d2. n2 forgot to submit track and it was allegedly stolen by marmot anyway. n3 tracked hyena and saw him visiting mac and tim. has a bunch of tracks and removes, i dont remember them all by heart

Michelle - 1-shot governor (she chooses the chop). removed from poll n1. claims to have received ted's song n1. on day (i forgot) kyle tried to steal her role and he saw nothing

Syn - backup of the yeet. n1 uset cat's silencer to silence sloonei. n2 used marmot's tetris to play vs MR, scored 0 on purpose. n3 used jack's alignment cop on i think nanook? what were his other targets

tutuu - tie decidor. allegedly targeted by sloonei to play baseball n1. removed from poll at some point. tracked to nowhere during n8 and removed from poll n8.

[tutuu]

@Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

stuff that need to be clarified, please let me know because i dont remember everything:

1) when was dead nutella put in contact with LC by hyena's role
2) when did kyle steal alison's power in order to offer her a bargain
3) when did wilgy attempt to visit michelle, and was it on the same night MR made wilgy visit himself, and was all of that on the same night ted used his busdrive?
4) did hyena try to put dyachei with nutella in contact during n2?
5) who did hyena try to put in contact with again on n4, n5, n6, n7, and n8?
6) what were all of long con's track targets again, as well as all of his remove-from-poll targets again and on which nights?
7) who were kyle's targets that he stole from using alisons' power on all days, and what did he do with all of those actions?
8) who did master radish use his self-redirect on on n4, n5, n6 and n7?
9) what were all of syn's targets from n4 and onwards
10) apart from michelle and jpic claiming ted's songs does anyone else claim them?
11) does anyone except tutuu and kyle claim to have played baseball with sloonei?

[tutuu]

to add: the time of death of everyone + TSP's targets + check if Made had any targets and work on answering those questions above

[Syn]

so yes it seems redundant but that redundancy is to your benefit if you're town

Sure. If it doesn't compromise anything else, sure.

I'm already confirmed town. I can explain why again if it's unclear still. I have confirmed jpic too now. And.. yeah, but sure.

catching up so this is likely old news already

tbh I don't need to be convinced you're town, but in this hypothetical Michelle is town and will probably tunnel you exclusively D10, so hard clearing you in a way that she can't talk herself into disbelieving is probably beneficial since it will also hard clear her

[Syn]

omg 6 pages to read

ok here i go

[Justplayingitcool]

@Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

stuff that need to be clarified, please let me know because i dont remember everything:

1) when was dead nutella put in contact with LC by hyena's role
2) when did kyle steal alison's power in order to offer her a bargain
3) when did wilgy attempt to visit michelle, and was it on the same night MR made wilgy visit himself, and was all of that on the same night ted used his busdrive?
4) did hyena try to put dyachei with nutella in contact during n2?
5) who did hyena try to put in contact with again on n4, n5, n6, n7, and n8?
6) what were all of long con's track targets again, as well as all of his remove-from-poll targets again and on which nights?
7) who were kyle's targets that he stole from using alisons' power on all days, and what did he do with all of those actions?
8) who did master radish use his self-redirect on on n4, n5, n6 and n7?
9) what were all of syn's targets from n4 and onwards
10) apart from michelle and jpic claiming ted's songs does anyone else claim them?
11) does anyone except tutuu and kyle claim to have played baseball with sloonei?

3) I think that was all in the same night
10) nobody else has claimed to receive one as far as I am aware

I don't know the answers to the rest of the questions without double-checking.

[tutuu]

help me dig for these stuff pls @ everyone

[Justplayingitcool]

I finish work in a few mins. Let me know which stuff you want me to check so we aren't doubling up checking the same stuff

[Kylemii]

I can go through and answer the question pertaining to me when I'm not at work, I don't remember basically anything off hand now

[tutuu]

@Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

stuff that need to be clarified, please let me know because i dont remember everything:

1) when was dead nutella put in contact with LC by hyena's role
2) when did kyle steal alison's power in order to offer her a bargain
3) when did wilgy attempt to visit michelle, and was it on the same night MR made wilgy visit himself, and was all of that on the same night ted used his busdrive?
4) did hyena try to put dyachei with nutella in contact during n2?
5) who did hyena try to put in contact with again on n4, n5, n6, n7, and n8?
6) what were all of long con's track targets again, as well as all of his remove-from-poll targets again and on which nights?
7) who were kyle's targets that he stole from using alisons' power on all days, and what did he do with all of those actions?
8) who did master radish use his self-redirect on on n4, n5, n6 and n7?
9) what were all of syn's targets from n4 and onwards
10) apart from michelle and jpic claiming ted's songs does anyone else claim them?
11) does anyone except tutuu and kyle claim to have played baseball with sloonei?

@Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

i am assigning the following to hyena: 1), 4), 5)

the following to kyle: 2), 7)

to long con: 6)

to syn: 9)

i will take: 8), and TSP's targets and update everyone's time of death

anyone is free to try to help with 10) and 11) because those arent easy

jpic - can u please double check that 3) was on the same night, and also could u please look into made? can i leave you to write a summary for Made - all actions including him and everything we know about him?

[Michelle]

@Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

stuff that need to be clarified, please let me know because i dont remember everything:

1) when was dead nutella put in contact with LC by hyena's role
2) when did kyle steal alison's power in order to offer her a bargain
3) when did wilgy attempt to visit michelle, and was it on the same night MR made wilgy visit himself, and was all of that on the same night ted used his busdrive?
4) did hyena try to put dyachei with nutella in contact during n2?
5) who did hyena try to put in contact with again on n4, n5, n6, n7, and n8?
6) what were all of long con's track targets again, as well as all of his remove-from-poll targets again and on which nights?
7) who were kyle's targets that he stole from using alisons' power on all days, and what did he do with all of those actions?
8) who did master radish use his self-redirect on on n4, n5, n6 and n7?
9) what were all of syn's targets from n4 and onwards
10) apart from michelle and jpic claiming ted's songs does anyone else claim them?
11) does anyone except tutuu and kyle claim to have played baseball with sloonei?

3) when did wilgy attempt to visit michelle, and was it on the same night MR made wilgy visit himself, and was all of that on the same night ted used his busdrive?

In the same night LC saw Ted visiting Martin, me and himself

[Syn]

Syn is the one who is the least present and feels the most out of synch feelings wise. I don't know if that means anything, but it could. He also quickly had a reason for calling both Wilgy's and Michelle's action scum motivated when I questioned how it would make sense as scum.

That's my biggest case on Syn.

Which may be my biggest case. And if it's Syn, we know tomorrow.

well, you see, I am not awake from midnight to 8 AM

[tutuu]

so all of those three actions happened on the same night? was it night 4 or night 5?