Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Justplayingitcool]

Alison has no incentive to protect anyone if we're going to refuse bargains. Critical flaw in your golden plan.

She does if she doesn’t want her bargainees to be nk by mafia

[tutuu]

please choose night actions for tutuu

I promise to campaign against your yeet especially hard if you do so

@Alison

WAII WHAAAAA WHYYYYY

[Long Con]

AND - If Syn or Hyena or whoever we want to target comes out as outed mafia because they were tracked or blocked, then huzzah! We have the outed mafia.

I hate to be that guy, but what if the Mafia just holsters?

[Alison]

Alison has no incentive to protect anyone if we're going to refuse bargains. Critical flaw in your golden plan.

She does if she doesn’t want her bargainees to be nk by mafia

I'll probably continue protecting my bargainees regardless. My concern is that the game is harder than Dizzy makes it out to be, and you flip a scum and don't end the game - or don't flip a scum at all, and then suddenly everything is a mess and I am no longer guaranteed to win.

I am advocating for no exe, quite simply because it stops that from happening. You should be on board with this idea if you are concerned about the same things as me, because in a world where tomorrow is not a mech lock you do need the extra yeet to help resolve someone's role.

That's my case for no exe. I can't change what you - or more saliently, Michelle - decides, I'm just pointing out my POV and concerns.

[Syn]

does the syndicate allow wolves to holster their kill

[Alison]

please choose night actions for tutuu

I promise to campaign against your yeet especially hard if you do so

@Alison

WAII WHAAAAA WHYYYYY

He said already, he wants me to stick around and continue doctoring people.

[Alison]

does the syndicate allow wolves to holster their kill

yes

[Dyslexicon]

Alison has no incentive to protect anyone if we're going to refuse bargains. Critical flaw in your golden plan.

No, it's not. Why are you speaking for her?
Literally, if she's telling the truth, she is going to win. We'll make sure of it.

The only difference is that I put my own wincon above her. I feel that's my job.
I 100 % know my wincon. I do not 100 % know Alison's, even if she has great arguments why we should trust her.

I'm stretching far so that we can both win. I'm just making sure I put town's safety first. And we are actually in a position to do that WITHOUT jeopardizing Alison's win if she's telling the truth.

Like, I don't see the problem.

[Alison]

Alison has no incentive to protect anyone if we're going to refuse bargains. Critical flaw in your golden plan.

No, it's not. Why are you speaking for her?
Literally, if she's telling the truth, she is going to win. We'll make sure of it.

The only difference is that I put my own wincon above her. I feel that's my job.
I 100 % know my wincon. I do not 100 % know Alison's, even if she has great arguments why we should trust her.

I'm stretching far so that we can both win. I'm just making sure I put town's safety first. And we are actually in a position to do that WITHOUT jeopardizing Alison's win if she's telling the truth.

Like, I don't see the problem.

I believe that town will give me the win if they mech out the last wolf. But I'm not actually confident that you're going to do this; see my point about the possibility of two wolves. This is what I'm concerned about and why I'm arguing/voting against no exe.

[Syn]

I am not a bargainee and you keep suspecting me and offering me up as a potential chop. No exe serves the wolves. Remove me from the equation.

[Syn]

does the syndicate allow wolves to holster their kill

yes

lame

[Dyslexicon]

I hate to be that guy, but what if the Mafia just holsters?

Then we have one more confirmed town because of your track (or outed mafia if you hit), mafia is no closer to their wincon and I still have my block. That is literally a 100 % sure way for mafia to lose.

[Long Con]

does the syndicate allow wolves to holster their kill

yes

lame

I think it varies by host. I have asked. Ideally a public answer will follow.

[Alison]

does the syndicate allow wolves to holster their kill

yes

lame

I think it's kinda cool as an overall rule, it can lead to some really neat predictions/mechanical outplays. In this case it makes things harder/murkier for you but overall I like that wolves can do stuff like holster their kill because they think one of their number is going to be protected by a doctor and they want to get the green check from the doctor.

[Long Con]

I hate to be that guy, but what if the Mafia just holsters?

Then we have one more confirmed town because of your track (or outed mafia if you hit), mafia is no closer to their wincon and I still have my block. That is literally a 100 % sure way for mafia to lose.

Don't we yeet the player you blocked in that situation?

[Kylemii]

please choose night actions for tutuu

I promise to campaign against your yeet especially hard if you do so

@Alison

WAII WHAAAAA WHYYYYY

what? why what

[tutuu]

please choose night actions for tutuu

I promise to campaign against your yeet especially hard if you do so

@Alison

WAII WHAAAAA WHYYYYY

He said already, he wants me to stick around and continue doctoring people.

WOOOOOW KYLE TRUSTS A CLAIMED 3P MORE THAN A PERSON THAT HE PEEKED AS TOWN HIMSELF @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii

[Dyslexicon]

I believe that town will give me the win if they mech out the last wolf. But I'm not actually confident that you're going to do this; see my point about the possibility of two wolves. This is what I'm concerned about and why I'm arguing/voting against no exe.

I understand the impasse.

However, I think the likelihood of there being two wolfs left with already five confirmed town and everyone having great points for being town is way lower than you duping us.

It could very well be the case that there is one mafia left and that all this arguing is moot as well tbh. And this "many ways to the goal" discussion isn't even needed. I wouldn't be too surprised.

But I don't know. I've said my piece and argued my logic.
I know where I stand and I leave it up to rest of town to decide.

I'm arguing for town though and you are arguing for 3p, as we both should.

[tutuu]

AM I THAT USELESS THAT U'D JUST THROW ME TO THE WOLVES LIKE THAT T_T

SURE I GUESS I CAN THE NIGHT KILL AIMED FOR ALISON THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN DO T_T

[tutuu]

eat* i can EAT EAT EAT it EAT iT

[Syn]

I hate to be that guy, but what if the Mafia just holsters?

Then we have one more confirmed town because of your track (or outed mafia if you hit), mafia is no closer to their wincon and I still have my block. That is literally a 100 % sure way for mafia to lose.

if they holster, LC will track them going nowhere

[Dyslexicon]

Don't we yeet the player you blocked in that situation?

I mean, yeah we could, and probably should. But even if they are town, we still have track and roleblock next night. Do you think scum wants that?

[Alison]

I believe that town will give me the win if they mech out the last wolf. But I'm not actually confident that you're going to do this; see my point about the possibility of two wolves. This is what I'm concerned about and why I'm arguing/voting against no exe.

I understand the impasse.

However, I think the likelihood of there being two wolfs left with already five confirmed town and everyone having great points for being town is way lower than you duping us.

It could very well be the case that there is one mafia left and that all this arguing is moot as well tbh. And this "many ways to the goal" discussion isn't even needed. I wouldn't be too surprised.

But I don't know. I've said my piece and argued my logic.
I know where I stand and I leave it up to rest of town to decide.

I'm arguing for town though and you are arguing for 3p, as we both should.

Yeah the way I see it no exe never helps me and could potentially hurt me. So I'm never going to support no exe.

My posts have just been trying to give arguments why you should support an exe along with me.

[Dyslexicon]

if they holster, LC will track them going nowhere

ROTTEN!

You're right.

[Syn]

Don't we yeet the player you blocked in that situation?

I mean, yeah we could, and probably should. But even if they are town, we still have track and roleblock next night. Do you think scum wants that?

if you're scum... yeah

[tutuu]

i wanna accept alison's deal she seems not sus

[Dyslexicon]

I hate to be that guy, but what if the Mafia just holsters?

Then we have one more confirmed town because of your track (or outed mafia if you hit), mafia is no closer to their wincon and I still have my block. That is literally a 100 % sure way for mafia to lose.

if they holster, LC will track them going nowhere

Ok, this is the best argument why we shouldn't no yeet then. Holstering is lame.

I guess never mind. But we should still find the best course of action for me and LC and Michelle.

[tutuu]

who do u guys sus

[Dyslexicon]

if you're scum... yeah

Where is this coming from, Syn?

[Kylemii]

please choose night actions for tutuu

I promise to campaign against your yeet especially hard if you do so

@Alison

WAII WHAAAAA WHYYYYY

He said already, he wants me to stick around and continue doctoring people.

WOOOOOW KYLE TRUSTS A CLAIMED 3P MORE THAN A PERSON THAT HE PEEKED AS TOWN HIMSELF @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii @Kylemii

did I miss something

[Syn]

who do u guys sus

dunia

[tutuu]

@Kylemii say "I wiww do anything you say pwease don't kiww me"

say those words

[Syn]

if you're scum... yeah

Where is this coming from, Syn?

nowhere

i think you pushing a no-chop and a scenario that maximizes uncertainty is pretty bad and you keep trying to find ways to convince everyone that my plan should be ignored, and my plan focuses entirely on clearing you

town!dizzy should be happy with it and sign on with full support

[Dyslexicon]

who do u guys sus

Literally just paranoia. But ok, Syn and LC made a good argument why no yeet doesn't work because holstering is a thing here. So never mind.

I'm probably being way too over protective and trying to do safe safe safe. If you all trust Alison, that's fine. I mostly trust her myself. Have a hard time seeing mafia here, but I think I know who I'll block.

[Syn]

who do u guys sus

Literally just paranoia. But ok, Syn and LC made a good argument why no yeet doesn't work because holstering is a thing here. So never mind.

I'm probably being way too over protective and trying to do safe safe safe. If you all trust Alison, that's fine. I mostly trust her myself. Have a hard time seeing mafia here, but I think I know who I'll block.

you're blocking michelle

omg what is this

[tutuu]

@Syn say "I wiww do anything you say pwease don't kiww me"

[Dyslexicon]

nowhere

i think you pushing a no-chop and a scenario that maximizes uncertainty is pretty bad and you keep trying to find ways to convince everyone that my plan should be ignored, and my plan focuses entirely on clearing you

town!dizzy should be happy with it and sign on with full support

To be honest, I don't recall what your plan is. I'll look it up again.

I've been focusing on how we could cruise to a win the safest way possible. But I now realise this is not possible anyway. It is very clear I was not trying to maximize uncertainty. Literally the opposite. It should be very clear all my actions in this game are pro-town. It's outed in so many ways it's not even funny. I don't mind being cleared, but I would be cleared for like the third time then. But I guess if Tutu has to be cleared multiple time, then why shouldn't I, I guess.

In my mind, you and Hyena are the only two in the game who doesn't have any mech clear surrounding you. Do you think this is wrong?

[Dyslexicon]

you're blocking michelle

omg what is this

Why would I block Michelle? What?

Fine, I'll read your plan again.

[Long Con]

I hate to be that guy, but what if the Mafia just holsters?

Then we have one more confirmed town because of your track (or outed mafia if you hit), mafia is no closer to their wincon and I still have my block. That is literally a 100 % sure way for mafia to lose.

if they holster, LC will track them going nowhere

Ok, this is the best argument why we shouldn't no yeet then. Holstering is lame.

I guess never mind. But we should still find the best course of action for me and LC and Michelle.

Should we plan our moves exactly and publicly, or have a small range of choices that the scum can't fully predict?

[Dyslexicon]

Actually, @Syn

Sorry to ask again. But can you just lay out your plan again. I promise to read it and consider it fully. I thought your posts were confusing.

[tutuu]

dizzy i know ur maf

[Dyslexicon]

Should we plan our moves exactly and publicly, or have a small range of choices that the scum can't fully predict?

It's a good question I can't answer right now. I think you can probably choose freely in a pool of two or something, since you'll be protected anyway.

[Syn]

@Syn say "I wiww do anything you say pwease don't kiww me"

i would except i want to die

[Dyslexicon]

dizzy i know ur maf

Wilgy's role reversal, right?

[Syn]

nowhere

i think you pushing a no-chop and a scenario that maximizes uncertainty is pretty bad and you keep trying to find ways to convince everyone that my plan should be ignored, and my plan focuses entirely on clearing you

town!dizzy should be happy with it and sign on with full support

To be honest, I don't recall what your plan is. I'll look it up again.

I've been focusing on how we could cruise to a win the safest way possible. But I now realise this is not possible anyway. It is very clear I was not trying to maximize uncertainty. Literally the opposite. It should be very clear all my actions in this game are pro-town. It's outed in so many ways it's not even funny. I don't mind being cleared, but I would be cleared for like the third time then. But I guess if Tutu has to be cleared multiple time, then why shouldn't I, I guess.

In my mind, you and Hyena are the only two in the game who doesn't have any mech clear surrounding you. Do you think this is wrong?

No, which is why I am dying today, and why I'm bewildered you're doing everything in your power to prevent that

[tutuu]

dizzy i know ur maf

Wilgy's role reversal, right?

say "I wiww do anything you say pwease don't kiww me"

[Syn]

Actually, @Syn

Sorry to ask again. But can you just lay out your plan again. I promise to read it and consider it fully. I thought your posts were confusing.

if I survive, we are just going to be doing this again tomorrow and I have no interest in being a part of it

this happens every time I endgame and nobody ever listens to me because they think their fancy wishy washy play is going to get the solve and then they find out that keeping "idk that syn guy is an option" until the end wasn't helpful after all

Who is your top scum read Syn?

Barring any revelations, it's just a process of elimination for me now

You can see that as lazy, and it might be, but there is no strong reason to deviate from it (yet)

the plan I laid out a page or two ago will go a long way toward uncovering deception, as it clears you and Dizzy

I town-read Dizzy, but I also think Dizzy is best positioned to be a wolf who's had us fooled all along

with you and Dizzy hard cleared, with LC protected, with Alison town-siding, you're in a good position to win by attrition if not a slam dunk

chop you today, deflect onto me
clear dizzy, clear you, LC remains alive, Alison remains alive

if the wolf shoots Alison, it will kill tutuu instead because of her accepting the gambit (and tutuu should accept to ensure Alison's continued loyalty)

killing tutuu removes your tinfoil, so the wolf won't want to shoot there

so Alison is safe, LC is safe

Dizzy can be shot if he's not the wolf, but that still clears you because his block would have prevented w!michelle from shooting

you can be shot, but for what purpose?

that leaves kyle, tutuu, JPIC, and hyena for containing the wolf and the victim

[Justplayingitcool]

@Syn does your plan take into account holstering?

[Syn]

Actually, @Syn

Sorry to ask again. But can you just lay out your plan again. I promise to read it and consider it fully. I thought your posts were confusing.

maybe it’s syn and tim was right along lol

Like, I somehow feel Michelle's energy is town. Sue me. But her unwillingness to reveal that she could've just yeeted Tutu at any point in the game if she believed that read so much and her blind omgus is bad.

There's a possibility she hoped that yeeting Alison would kill the three bargainees as well, at which point I think she would win if mafia, cause of her role.

If it's not Michelle I absolutely think it's Syn. He's always had a reason for why someone would do something as scum when they are a target. Just now with Michelle, he has an answer for why she wouldn't use her role immediately. When Wilgy had the wrong result, he had a reason for why Wilgy would do that as scum. "To create chaos". I never really bought that at all. The way he calmly has all the answers for why someone would do x as scum is pinging me quite honestly.

get her to use the anti-chop ability and deflect it onto me then

i want you guys to see my flavor

michelle lives, i die

dizzy gets tracked by LC, Alison protects LC, Kyle acts as thief wildcard, dizzy blocks Michelle

ez pz

legit

do this

you even engaged with this plan!!! you complained about being tracked and removed it from your follow-up!!!!!!!

[Dyslexicon]

No, which is why I am dying today, and why I'm bewildered you're doing everything in your power to prevent that

Oh. Um. Ok. Is Michelle agreeing to this though?

Will LC track me? Cause if I'm going to block someone, tracking me wouldn't do any good, cause mafia could just kill the one I'm blocking and I'll be tracked there. So maybe I'll just not say who I'll block and hope I hit?