Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Justplayingitcool]

We have literally killed two townies because of the redirection mess. WHO WAS THE ONE WHO TOLD US THAT THERE WAS A REDIRECTOR????

*bites lip*

There is literally nobody in this game who could be a redirector from my perspective.

Alison - claimed 3p and probably not the redirector
Dyslexicon - rolecopped and nobody else has counterclaimed dizzy's role
Hyena - tracked to two people but there's mechanical evidence that he puts people in btsc chats
JustPlayingitcool - I'm a double voter and gamble with the hosts. I've also been tracked not targeting anyone
Kylemii - steals peoples powers
Long Con - poll hider
Michelle - redirects the yeet, and is pretty pro-town in not using straight away and would be incredibly deadly for the mafia to have
Syn - backups the yeet from previous night. Mechanical evidence proving this to be true
tutuu - tracked not doing anything.

I just can't see how else there could be a redirector other than LC lying about who he tracked ted to. We don't even know if he really tracked ted in the first place.

[Justplayingitcool]

LC tracks HK who was heavily spewed town from ISOs, HK killed following night. Why did mafia not target LC when they had the chance? I can't remember if Alison claimed if her protection power works the same way as TSP's?

tutuu tracked despite having some mechanical evidence instead of tracking someone in the PoE

am I going crazy?

[tutuu]

Crazy idea but should we all flavor claim?

I dont think mafia has fake claims based off how they all died (as for ted he appears to have made it up on the spot)

I also dont think they have anti claim kills seeing as hyena and alison flavor claimed d1, tim flavor claimed d3, jpic flavor claimed at one point, etc

[Justplayingitcool]

everyone has had their claimed power confirmed except jpic and I don't want his power cus it might take my vote away

I am asking the mods if I can holster the over/under

[Justplayingitcool]

@Kylemii

You can steal from me. I asked the mods if I can holster and they said yes. If you holster, you will still be a one-voter.

idk how your role works and what the mods tell you or not. But they should give you a number, which is based off on the EoD writeups, and you will be asked to guess over/under. You should be able to holster

[Dyslexicon]

My computer died.

Are we still at the same place?
Syn and Hyena does not have any clearing mech.
Out of mech stuff, I also trust LC the least, like jpic.
I don’t scum read anyone really.

@tutuu You mentioned if there was two scum I could be one. I think it was said earlier that it would be jpic, since I came in clearing him from block. Later it was said it would be Michelle, since I effectively cleared her from role (though I didn’t understand it at first). But if I clear two people, and I verifiably protected Nut on N3, maybe I’m just town lol.

It’s been said Michelle is not cleared from the claim. I think she’s basically cleared. She could’ve had Jack yeeted instead of Sloonei for example, couldn’t she? I don’t know. Maybe she really did save it, but I really don’t think Michelle is scum here.

Syn is insisting to track me, and I’m ok with that if it feels necessary. It is the logically worst track just because I have a power that I actually should use. So I will be visiting someone, and I must keep this a secret and be tricky with it now. Good thing is that if I die, LC knows who I blocked. If he’s scum, he could lie about it once I’m dead. I don’t know how @Hyenas power work, if you could set up a chat with me the same night I potentially die.

If LC tracks me, then everyone else can use their action freely. Though I don’t know how useful they are at this point. Only the trackee should not use their action, except I have to, cause it’s a block.

Michelle needs to inform us who she chooses in the poll publicly. This is important to me. Will it be Syn?

[Dyslexicon]

Crazy idea but should we all flavor claim?

I dont think mafia has fake claims based off how they all died (as for ted he appears to have made it up on the spot)

I also dont think they have anti claim kills seeing as hyena and alison flavor claimed d1, tim flavor claimed d3, jpic flavor claimed at one point, etc

I think Wilgy flavor claimed for me lol.

[Michelle]

My computer died.

Are we still at the same place?
Syn and Hyena does not have any clearing mech.
Out of mech stuff, I also trust LC the least, like jpic.
I don’t scum read anyone really.

@tutuu You mentioned if there was two scum I could be one. I think it was said earlier that it would be jpic, since I came in clearing him from block. Later it was said it would be Michelle, since I effectively cleared her from role (though I didn’t understand it at first). But if I clear two people, and I verifiably protected Nut on N3, maybe I’m just town lol.

It’s been said Michelle is not cleared from the claim. I think she’s basically cleared. She could’ve had Jack yeeted instead of Sloonei for example, couldn’t she? I don’t know. Maybe she really did save it, but I really don’t think Michelle is scum here.

Syn is insisting to track me, and I’m ok with that if it feels necessary. It is the logically worst track just because I have a power that I actually should use. So I will be visiting someone, and I must keep this a secret and be tricky with it now. Good thing is that if I die, LC knows who I blocked. If he’s scum, he could lie about it once I’m dead. I don’t know how @Hyenas power work, if you could set up a chat with me the same night I potentially die.

If LC tracks me, then everyone else can use their action freely. Though I don’t know how useful they are at this point. Only the trackee should not use their action, except I have to, cause it’s a block.

Michelle needs to inform us who she chooses in the poll publicly. This is important to me. Will it be Syn?

Syn said he will cry if we let him alive next day just to be one of the main suspects again.. I don't want to make him cry and I don't want to ruin Alison's deals by targeting LC for eg
So I have to target Syn ig, even if i am 99% sure of a villa flip.
Passed through my mind to holster, but that would make Syn cry

[Michelle]

Crazy idea but should we all flavor claim?

I dont think mafia has fake claims based off how they all died (as for ted he appears to have made it up on the spot)

I also dont think they have anti claim kills seeing as hyena and alison flavor claimed d1, tim flavor claimed d3, jpic flavor claimed at one point, etc

I am ready for a flavour claim if it's needed

[Long Con]

I can flavour claim. My specific role isn't in the original game, it's just a thematic match.

I didn't bring up the idea of a redirector. I'm still pretty vague on what happened there. If I were lying about my track and bussing ted, I would have just said that ted targeted Martin. I wouldn't have made up a paradoxical busdrive track that does nothing but cast doubt on my own story.

[Justplayingitcool]

I can flavour claim. My specific role isn't in the original game, it's just a thematic match.

I didn't bring up the idea of a redirector. I'm still pretty vague on what happened there. If I were lying about my track and bussing ted, I would have just said that ted targeted Martin. I wouldn't have made up a paradoxical busdrive track that does nothing but cast doubt on my own story.

It was public in the thread that ted had a busdriver from the GD powers, so people might wonder why he didn't use it at all

[Long Con]

I'm trying to find where it was realized that Wilgy had seen Dizzy's role when he visited Michelle... but his ISO is glitching for me and won't behave. I found when he originally said he knew Michelle's role (after Night 5 ended) but where's the rest?

[Justplayingitcool]

Is it standard practice for bus drivers to be able to self-target? All the bus drivers I have played with can't do that

but radishes claimed he targeted wilgy so that the redirection is aimed back at himself, so maybe there is more than meets the eye

[Long Con]

I would allow a busdriver to self-target because I'm largely ignorant of standard practice.

"radishes claimed he targeted wilgy so that the redirection is aimed back at himself"... You mean the rolecheck should be aimed back at himself, right?

So Wilgy tried to get Michelle's role... but Radishes made him target himself instead... and Wilgy ended up with Dizzy's role? I would like to see where exactly it was deduced that Wilgy had received Dizzy's role. This has always been something I read people talking about, but missed seeing for myself.

[Justplayingitcool]

I think it's literally impossible to figure out without knowing the order of operations. @tutuu you're the mech genius here, help me out

Could it be possible that wilgy targeted Michelle, radish targeted wilgy, so wilgy lands on wilgy, ted busdrove wilgy and dizzy, and then wilgy lands on dizzy?

my head hurts

[Justplayingitcool]

I would allow a busdriver to self-target because I'm largely ignorant of standard practice.

"radishes claimed he targeted wilgy so that the redirection is aimed back at himself"... You mean the rolecheck should be aimed back at himself, right?

So Wilgy tried to get Michelle's role... but Radishes made him target himself instead... and Wilgy ended up with Dizzy's role? I would like to see where exactly it was deduced that Wilgy had received Dizzy's role. This has always been something I read people talking about, but missed seeing for myself.

let me find. should be in dizzy's iso

[Long Con]

I think it's literally impossible to figure out without knowing the order of operations. @tutuu you're the mech genius here, help me out

Could it be possible that wilgy targeted Michelle, radish targeted wilgy, so wilgy lands on wilgy, ted busdrove wilgy and dizzy, and then wilgy lands on dizzy?

my head hurts

And also makes my track see ted target Martin Michelle ted... and neither of Wilgy or Dizzy.

[Justplayingitcool]

iso is boken for me too, but found this

So Wilgy was redirected from Michelle to Dizzy.

Or he's lying.

Or someone else is.

I mean, his description there is exactly my role. I'll ISO to find is original claim.

[Justplayingitcool]

ok this was the first mention of it

What is a super doc?

wilgy claims to peek Michelle who was apparently a super doc that can save themself and another the same night. But Michelle confirmed this was incorrect. Radishes also claimed that he targeted wilgy which means wilgy would have rolechecked himself.

That is literally my role.

[Long Con]

I was able to find Wilgy's post as well now that the ISO is no longer glitching:

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

@Michelle can you advocate this? I'm not going to say, but if you think I'm not saying in good faith then that should be enough.

You know what? Claim your peek, if your life depends on it
Sorry i was afk

No need to apologize.

Thank you. I didn't want to apply unnecessary pressure. I saw you are able to protect both yourself and someone else one cycle. Kinda like a super doc. Definitely what I would say to be a pro-town ability.

Now that it's out there you could theoretically still force a 50/50 with yourself and someone else as a save in the future.

[tutuu]

I think it's literally impossible to figure out without knowing the order of operations. @tutuu you're the mech genius here, help me out

Could it be possible that wilgy targeted Michelle, radish targeted wilgy, so wilgy lands on wilgy, ted busdrove wilgy and dizzy, and then wilgy lands on dizzy?

my head hurts

I also think that we cant figure it out for sure without knowing the order of operations, your theory is plausible imo

[tutuu]

Waitt the dizzy role also protects himself? I didnt realize that. Does this change anything

[Justplayingitcool]

Waitt the dizzy role also protects himself? I didnt realize that. Does this change anything

Not for me, it doesn't

Town didn't really have any kill power other than Tim, and that was a shot every other three nights

[tutuu]

I think it's literally impossible to figure out without knowing the order of operations. @tutuu you're the mech genius here, help me out

Could it be possible that wilgy targeted Michelle, radish targeted wilgy, so wilgy lands on wilgy, ted busdrove wilgy and dizzy, and then wilgy lands on dizzy?

my head hurts

And also makes my track see ted target Martin Michelle ted... and neither of Wilgy or Dizzy.

Right...

[Long Con]

I have always assumed that Epi of dunya would have corrected my results by now if they were wrong. I'm not assuming any more, I PMed them to be really sure.

[Justplayingitcool]

I think it's literally impossible to figure out without knowing the order of operations. @tutuu you're the mech genius here, help me out

Could it be possible that wilgy targeted Michelle, radish targeted wilgy, so wilgy lands on wilgy, ted busdrove wilgy and dizzy, and then wilgy lands on dizzy?

my head hurts

And also makes my track see ted target Martin Michelle ted... and neither of Wilgy or Dizzy.

Right...

That's going on the assumption that we believe LC is telling the truth

[Long Con]

I think it's literally impossible to figure out without knowing the order of operations. @tutuu you're the mech genius here, help me out

Could it be possible that wilgy targeted Michelle, radish targeted wilgy, so wilgy lands on wilgy, ted busdrove wilgy and dizzy, and then wilgy lands on dizzy?

my head hurts

And also makes my track see ted target Martin Michelle ted... and neither of Wilgy or Dizzy.

Right...

That's going on the assumption that we believe LC is telling the truth

Keep an angle alive in your mind, please, where I am telling the truth.

[Justplayingitcool]

I think it's literally impossible to figure out without knowing the order of operations. @tutuu you're the mech genius here, help me out

Could it be possible that wilgy targeted Michelle, radish targeted wilgy, so wilgy lands on wilgy, ted busdrove wilgy and dizzy, and then wilgy lands on dizzy?

my head hurts

And also makes my track see ted target Martin Michelle ted... and neither of Wilgy or Dizzy.

Right...

That's going on the assumption that we believe LC is telling the truth

Keep an angle alive in your mind, please, where I am telling the truth.

I will. I'm not even confident that I'm right; it's just that I don't really see any plausible explanation right now, other than the redirection is a red herring

[tutuu]

I guess i scumread dizzy the most just by day talk, hyena next

So michelle (dead maf or semi conf town) -> syn (dead maf or dead town) -> dizzy -> hyena is my order i guess. Or hyena before dizzy? Idk man i just wanna rest. Sleepy sleepy head

[Michelle]

I think it's literally impossible to figure out without knowing the order of operations. @tutuu you're the mech genius here, help me out

Could it be possible that wilgy targeted Michelle, radish targeted wilgy, so wilgy lands on wilgy, ted busdrove wilgy and dizzy, and then wilgy lands on dizzy?

my head hurts

And also makes my track see ted target Martin Michelle ted... and neither of Wilgy or Dizzy.

Right...

That's going on the assumption that we believe LC is telling the truth

Keep an angle alive in your mind, please, where I am telling the truth.

Who do you SR now?

[Dyslexicon]

I guess i scumread dizzy the most just by day talk, hyena next

So michelle (dead maf or semi conf town) -> syn (dead maf or dead town) -> dizzy -> hyena is my order i guess. Or hyena before dizzy? Idk man i just wanna rest. Sleepy sleepy head

Ehhhh. See this is a problem. If I’m your biggest suspect, we are completely blind here. This is the reason I worry about Alison, but I’m outvoted.

[Justplayingitcool]

I guess i scumread dizzy the most just by day talk, hyena next

So michelle (dead maf or semi conf town) -> syn (dead maf or dead town) -> dizzy -> hyena is my order i guess. Or hyena before dizzy? Idk man i just wanna rest. Sleepy sleepy head

why do you sr dizzy from day talk?

[Dyslexicon]

I still have no idea what happened with Wilgy. If Radishes targeted him too, the whole thing is just super strange.

[tutuu]

Im ride or die with kyle, jpic, LC and alison. YOLO

[tutuu]

I guess i scumread dizzy the most just by day talk, hyena next

So michelle (dead maf or semi conf town) -> syn (dead maf or dead town) -> dizzy -> hyena is my order i guess. Or hyena before dizzy? Idk man i just wanna rest. Sleepy sleepy head

why do you sr dizzy from day talk?

I dunno / im rly low energy rn sorry

[Justplayingitcool]

Im ride or die with kyle, jpic, LC and alison. YOLO

why are you town on LC now?

[Justplayingitcool]

you legit called him scum a page ago

[tutuu]

I change mah mind

[Justplayingitcool]

I change mah mind

why

[Justplayingitcool]

have you been pocketing me tutuu

[Dyslexicon]

I feel like people are making up suspecting others cause «this is hard»

[Dyslexicon]

I change mah mind

why

Probably cause I confirm too many town must be evul

[Long Con]

I don't know that me lying explains everything. Also, if ted targeted Michelle and Dizzy (or Wilgy? Damn busdriving is confusing me here, no matter), I would have just said he did. I don't see any advantage to trying to fool everyone on that matter. Sometimes you can answer "Why would I do that as a wolf?" with "So that you can say THIS, NOW, to claim town by virtue of the question itself!"

This situation doesn't do anything for me. Hypothetically, if I were a wolf back then, preparing to report ted's track results, how would I come up with this? Even with double extra WIFOM... I am sure I could come up with a better trick than a weird paradox.

I reported my track three hours after Dizzy told us Wilgy reported his role for Michelle. If I were setting up a lie, I think I would have included that in the lie in order to make it look more true, rather than less.

[Dyslexicon]

I feel I’m making up suspecting Syn cause this is hard. My tinfoil was that Syn banked on Michelle choosing someone else. He’s scum with LC. His plan is designed such that they kill me this night and then LC just say I was tracked to Syn to clear him.

There’s a pretty huge level of tinfoil in that. And that’s where my mind is going. So what are we really looking fir here?

And if there’s one scum, won’t we just lock it soon?

[Long Con]

I think it's literally impossible to figure out without knowing the order of operations. @tutuu you're the mech genius here, help me out

Could it be possible that wilgy targeted Michelle, radish targeted wilgy, so wilgy lands on wilgy, ted busdrove wilgy and dizzy, and then wilgy lands on dizzy?

my head hurts

And also makes my track see ted target Martin Michelle ted... and neither of Wilgy or Dizzy.

Right...

That's going on the assumption that we believe LC is telling the truth

Keep an angle alive in your mind, please, where I am telling the truth.

Who do you SR now?

Sounds like a weird question at this point. Dizzy, I think.

Syn's insistence that he be yeeted today looks very towny, yet it's still the right move. For the long term as well: we can't let players off the hook because they townily ask to be chopped, we must not set that precedent.

[Dyslexicon]

I don't know that me lying explains everything. Also, if ted targeted Michelle and Dizzy (or Wilgy? Damn busdriving is confusing me here, no matter), I would have just said he did. I don't see any advantage to trying to fool everyone on that matter. Sometimes you can answer "Why would I do that as a wolf?" with "So that you can say THIS, NOW, to claim town by virtue of the question itself!"

This situation doesn't do anything for me. Hypothetically, if I were a wolf back then, preparing to report ted's track results, how would I come up with this? Even with double extra WIFOM... I am sure I could come up with a better trick than a weird paradox.

I reported my track three hours after Dizzy told us Wilgy reported his role for Michelle. If I were setting up a lie, I think I would have included that in the lie in order to make it look more true, rather than less.

I agree with this. It doesn’t make any sense.

[Long Con]

I feel I’m making up suspecting Syn cause this is hard. My tinfoil was that Syn banked on Michelle choosing someone else. He’s scum with LC. His plan is designed such that they kill me this night and then LC just say I was tracked to Syn to clear him.

There’s a pretty huge level of tinfoil in that. And that’s where my mind is going. So what are we really looking fir here?

And if there’s one scum, won’t we just lock it soon?

Is there a hammer? We can hammer now since tutuu accepted the deal. Hammer Michelle and she takes out Syn.

[Dyslexicon]

People seriously having me as top suspect today. We all need help. I wish I could die heroically, but I have a block power. Unbelievable. But ok.

I have no good idea. Hyena is the only one with no positive mech, but also doesn’t seem like scum at all. Go figure.

[Dyslexicon]

No, what’s the rush?

[Justplayingitcool]

there is no hammer