Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[MacDougall]

Lol why is nobody pushing me? This mafia team is too smart.

[Long Con]

I'm pushing 40, and even when I wasn't, people called me that. This is a game on the Internet. My life will not change because of it. So no, things don't concern me. I do not mean to convey that my life is above anybody else's, but I am older and I care less about what's posted here than, say, what's posted to my bank account.

I never said I don't think about things. I think about things all the time too. I don't know why you phrased it that way. I am, if anything, deeply and consciously, a thinker.

I didn't think about Kylemii's pocketing talk because I know it's not true. Hence I have no need to waste time thinking about it.

I therefore don't have to waste time thinking about what others have say about it.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

1) I dont give a flying cow about your personal life or whatever the hell is going on with it when we are playing the game, so when i ask why things are not concerning you, im sure you understand that what i am asking is within the bubble of the game! Of course a game will not supersede our life, of course a game will not take our sleep away but that is not what i asked and im sure as hell you know that that is not what i asked. Play dumb and get dumb votes.

2) Kyle died after sheding light of suspicion on you, Ted, Marmot and HollowKatt and im trying to work out if that is why kyle is dead, so how about you cooperate eh? Out of Marmot, Ted and Hollowkatt, who do you think had more reasons to want Kyle dead?

You didn't ask. HK did. I answered HK's question.

Kylemii is never my first kill.

Out of those people you named? None of them. I don't suspect them.

On another matter, you seemed rather the ingrate about the six mana I sent you. Why was that?

That's some serious mana.

Also, "What did you think about my comment and Kyle’s comment about you feeling kind of pocketing on D1?" feels like a filler question, practically rhetorical, and I don't know what other answer was even expected. Was Epi supposed to start trying to explain his actions as non-pocketing?

It was not rethorical and you wait your turn. Epignosis just made a mistake. Never interrupt the enemy making a mistake unless you are his friend.

What mistake did I make?

You claimed to have sent me 6 mana right?
How is that possible if we got three lands and each produce only 1 mana?

[MacDougall]

Nah dunya is just mafia here i think

[Epignosis]

I'm pushing 40, and even when I wasn't, people called me that. This is a game on the Internet. My life will not change because of it. So no, things don't concern me. I do not mean to convey that my life is above anybody else's, but I am older and I care less about what's posted here than, say, what's posted to my bank account.

I never said I don't think about things. I think about things all the time too. I don't know why you phrased it that way. I am, if anything, deeply and consciously, a thinker.

I didn't think about Kylemii's pocketing talk because I know it's not true. Hence I have no need to waste time thinking about it.

I therefore don't have to waste time thinking about what others have say about it.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

1) I dont give a flying cow about your personal life or whatever the hell is going on with it when we are playing the game, so when i ask why things are not concerning you, im sure you understand that what i am asking is within the bubble of the game! Of course a game will not supersede our life, of course a game will not take our sleep away but that is not what i asked and im sure as hell you know that that is not what i asked. Play dumb and get dumb votes.

2) Kyle died after sheding light of suspicion on you, Ted, Marmot and HollowKatt and im trying to work out if that is why kyle is dead, so how about you cooperate eh? Out of Marmot, Ted and Hollowkatt, who do you think had more reasons to want Kyle dead?

You didn't ask. HK did. I answered HK's question.

Kylemii is never my first kill.

Out of those people you named? None of them. I don't suspect them.

On another matter, you seemed rather the ingrate about the six mana I sent you. Why was that?

That's some serious mana.

Also, "What did you think about my comment and Kyle’s comment about you feeling kind of pocketing on D1?" feels like a filler question, practically rhetorical, and I don't know what other answer was even expected. Was Epi supposed to start trying to explain his actions as non-pocketing?

It was not rethorical and you wait your turn. Epignosis just made a mistake. Never interrupt the enemy making a mistake unless you are his friend.

What mistake did I make?

You claimed to have sent me 6 mana right?
How is that possible if we got three lands and each produce only 1 mana?

You're right.

I guess I must've fucked up.

Can't differentiate between three and six.

Don't know what my cards say.

DAMN WHY AM I SO STUPID

[Marmot]

lol

[Marmot]

Lol why is nobody pushing me? This mafia team is too smart.

Because you're mafia?

[Long Con]

Lol why is nobody pushing me? This mafia team is too smart.

[Guillotine]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

1) I dont give a flying cow about your personal life or whatever the hell is going on with it when we are playing the game, so when i ask why things are not concerning you, im sure you understand that what i am asking is within the bubble of the game! Of course a game will not supersede our life, of course a game will not take our sleep away but that is not what i asked and im sure as hell you know that that is not what i asked. Play dumb and get dumb votes.

2) Kyle died after sheding light of suspicion on you, Ted, Marmot and HollowKatt and im trying to work out if that is why kyle is dead, so how about you cooperate eh? Out of Marmot, Ted and Hollowkatt, who do you think had more reasons to want Kyle dead?

You didn't ask. HK did. I answered HK's question.

Kylemii is never my first kill.

Out of those people you named? None of them. I don't suspect them.

On another matter, you seemed rather the ingrate about the six mana I sent you. Why was that?

That's some serious mana.

Also, "What did you think about my comment and Kyle’s comment about you feeling kind of pocketing on D1?" feels like a filler question, practically rhetorical, and I don't know what other answer was even expected. Was Epi supposed to start trying to explain his actions as non-pocketing?

It was not rethorical and you wait your turn. Epignosis just made a mistake. Never interrupt the enemy making a mistake unless you are his friend.

What mistake did I make?

You claimed to have sent me 6 mana right?
How is that possible if we got three lands and each produce only 1 mana?

You're right.

I guess I must've fucked up.

Can't differentiate between three and six.

Don't know what my cards say.

DAMN WHY AM I SO STUPID
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You are not stupid, you are just human. 1/4. Where are the other three?

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

1) I dont give a flying cow about your personal life or whatever the hell is going on with it when we are playing the game, so when i ask why things are not concerning you, im sure you understand that what i am asking is within the bubble of the game! Of course a game will not supersede our life, of course a game will not take our sleep away but that is not what i asked and im sure as hell you know that that is not what i asked. Play dumb and get dumb votes.

2) Kyle died after sheding light of suspicion on you, Ted, Marmot and HollowKatt and im trying to work out if that is why kyle is dead, so how about you cooperate eh? Out of Marmot, Ted and Hollowkatt, who do you think had more reasons to want Kyle dead?

You didn't ask. HK did. I answered HK's question.

Kylemii is never my first kill.

Out of those people you named? None of them. I don't suspect them.

On another matter, you seemed rather the ingrate about the six mana I sent you. Why was that?

That's some serious mana.

Also, "What did you think about my comment and Kyle’s comment about you feeling kind of pocketing on D1?" feels like a filler question, practically rhetorical, and I don't know what other answer was even expected. Was Epi supposed to start trying to explain his actions as non-pocketing?

It was not rethorical and you wait your turn. Epignosis just made a mistake. Never interrupt the enemy making a mistake unless you are his friend.

What mistake did I make?

You claimed to have sent me 6 mana right?
How is that possible if we got three lands and each produce only 1 mana?

You're right.

I guess I must've fucked up.

Can't differentiate between three and six.

Don't know what my cards say.

DAMN WHY AM I SO STUPID

I knew you'd mess up sooner or later, and I'd be there to SEE IT!!

[MacDougall]

Lol why is nobody pushing me? This mafia team is too smart.

Because you're mafia?

Don't be stupid

[Epignosis]

I am about to give six mana to the next winner. Hopefully the next winner will prove more grateful and useful.

[Long Con]

Lol why is nobody pushing me? This mafia team is too smart.

Because you're mafia?

Don't be stupid

Look, I'm feeling stupid tonight, and Epi is an obv lost cause , so you guys need to hold it together.

[Enrique]

Wilgy, Jack & Enrique seem to insist on not playing the game.

I understand the concern but this is actually incorrect.

[Long Con]

I am about to give six mana to the next winner. Hopefully the next winner will prove more grateful and useful.

I think you should give it to charity.

[Long Con]

Wait "useful"?

[Guillotine]

I am about to give six mana to the next winner. Hopefully the next winner will prove more grateful and useful.

Yah yah yah, uhuh uhuh

[Long Con]

Why are you dropping villain lines like it ain't no thang?

[Long Con]

Like did you actually twirl your moustache when you typed that?

[Epignosis]

Why are you dropping villain lines like it ain't no thang?

Well, you aren't winning.

[Epignosis]

Like did you actually twirl your moustache when you typed that?

Just shaved.

[Marmot]

Lol why is nobody pushing me? This mafia team is too smart.

Because you're mafia?

Don't be stupid

Don't be mafia

[MacDougall]

The kicker on my role is a vig shot if anyone wants to donate mana to me. I need an extra red one and 2 of other random mana. Then I will use it to kill someone.

[Long Con]

Why are you dropping villain lines like it ain't no thang?

Well, you aren't winning.

I want nothing to do with your... your obligation mana!

[MacDougall]

Lol why is nobody pushing me? This mafia team is too smart.

Because you're mafia?

Don't be stupid

Don't be mafia

Someone kicker my thing so I can vig this guy

[MacDougall]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

[Marmot]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

If I give you mana, would you promise not to kill me?

[Guillotine]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

Mac vote Epi with me

[Epignosis]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

Mac vote Epi with me

I gave you six mana.

Do you really think mafia did that?

[Guillotine]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

Mac vote Epi with me

I gave you six mana.

Do you really think mafia did that?

I dont think anyone has the capacity to give more than 3 mana at a time, so you must be lying. Why are you fake claiming giving me 6 mana?

[Marmot]

@MacDougall too slow. No mana for you.

[Long Con]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

Mac vote Epi with me

I gave you six mana.

Do you really think mafia did that?

Did you have to give all six to one player? I can't speak for him, but I tap for my ability, so an abundance of mana just fizzles out at the end of the night.

[Epignosis]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

Mac vote Epi with me

I gave you six mana.

Do you really think mafia did that?

I dont think anyone has the capacity to give more than 3 mana at a time, so you must be lying. Why are you fake claiming giving me 6 mana?

You know you got six mana.

How am I lying?

Is anyone going to claim that they gave you mana and I didn't give you six?

If I am lying, why would I do that?

[Long Con]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

Mac vote Epi with me

I gave you six mana.

Do you really think mafia did that?

I dont think anyone has the capacity to give more than 3 mana at a time, so you must be lying. Why are you fake claiming giving me 6 mana?

You didn't get any mana?

[Guillotine]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

Mac vote Epi with me

I gave you six mana.

Do you really think mafia did that?

I dont think anyone has the capacity to give more than 3 mana at a time, so you must be lying. Why are you fake claiming giving me 6 mana?

You know you got six mana.

How am I lying?

Is anyone going to claim that they gave you mana and I didn't give you six?

If I am lying, why would I do that?

I claimed to have received 6 mana ages ago, i assume it came from two different people.

But ok. Besides red mana, what other color did you send me?

[Long Con]

Oof, that's a little bit "fishing" ain't it? I thought we were keeping quiet about our colours.

[Epignosis]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

Mac vote Epi with me

I gave you six mana.

Do you really think mafia did that?

I dont think anyone has the capacity to give more than 3 mana at a time, so you must be lying. Why are you fake claiming giving me 6 mana?

You know you got six mana.

How am I lying?

Is anyone going to claim that they gave you mana and I didn't give you six?

If I am lying, why would I do that?

I claimed to have received 6 mana ages ago, i assume it came from two different people.

But ok. Besides red mana, what other color did you send me?

Blue.

[Epignosis]

Oof, that's a little bit "fishing" ain't it? I thought we were keeping quiet about our colours.

Does that bother you?

[Long Con]

Oof, that's a little bit "fishing" ain't it? I thought we were keeping quiet about our colours.

Does that bother you?

Not really. But it will bother someone. I like knowing things.

[Long Con]

I was sure Epi was Green, some sort of sylvan mana-producer type.

The should make a Planeswalker that +1's to produce a mana bird

[Guillotine]

Kinda vibing LC as town for once in my life.

Marmot mafia then. Got heem.

Mac vote Epi with me

I gave you six mana.

Do you really think mafia did that?

I dont think anyone has the capacity to give more than 3 mana at a time, so you must be lying. Why are you fake claiming giving me 6 mana?

You know you got six mana.

How am I lying?

Is anyone going to claim that they gave you mana and I didn't give you six?

If I am lying, why would I do that?

I claimed to have received 6 mana ages ago, i assume it came from two different people.

But ok. Besides red mana, what other color did you send me?

Blue.

Im red and black. Your gesture is appreciated but it was useless and put me in danger for PtF. Don't do it again.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

[Urist]

Some questions:
@MacDougall
Do you find tedxtr scummy independent of interactions with other players? Are you still sheeping dunya's read on him?
Also, can you be more specific about what "kills" are in the context of your role? Is it all damaging abilities or just Pack of Wolves?

@Marmot
Why vote for Wilgy at all, if you know the claim is BS because of the rules and because of the way he is? I don't see why you wouldn't just disregard the claim entirely, it was clearly fake so I don't know how you would have expected him to clarify it for you.
Also, what do you think about Made flipping town, the EoD wagon shenanigans, and the people who voted for Made? How do you feel about tedxtr and the people voting for him today?

@Long Con
Your complaint that I don't have much content outside of tedxtr or falcon is accurate, but unfair, considering most of my posts are from d0 or the first 24h of d1. I spent a lot of time basically waiting for ted to come into the thread, and then once he started posting I felt better about him, but didn't have a ton of time to pursue my Marmot read. I do think it's natural to spend some time discussing the mechanics of the setup on early d1 though, just to ensure that everyone understands the setup in at least a general sense. You're one of my strongest town reads at the moment so I hope you can come around to seeing that I'm town as well. I'm getting the feeling that the mafia lie in the players whom are difficult to execute, so I think we're going to need to not be lazy here, and work to form strong mutual town reads where possible.

@tedxtr
I think I've explained why I felt that you were a wolf who thought that town started with fewer than three lands, but I can explain in more depth if you'd like. I'm not sure it's really worth restarting that avenue of discussion, but let me know.

@112
Are your posts toward tedxtr serious? Specifically, #1601 & #1603.

@dunya
Why specifically do you continue to town-read Marmot? How do you feel about his reads, as well as his votes on Wilgy and 112?

@hollowkatt
Do you have any scum reads aside from ted? Can you give me some potential pairings? And if ted flips town, what will you do?

@falcon45ca
I don't think it's valuable to reveal your target. Let the mafia use Lifescope if they want to know.

@Justplayingitcool
Have your reads changed at all now that Made has flipped town?

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Some comments (mostly my own notes, no response necessary for these, self-iso is the best crossplatform notepad):
I need to ruminate on Mac's turnaround on dunya. I don't love it. My problem with it is that, if Mac was expecting a scum-dunya to think he's a prime kill target, why is it ok for town-dunya to not think that? Because clearly she didn't, if she targeted him with a gifting ability. Also, I don't think that claiming either the block or that she targeted Mac is a strong tell, or at least not one strong enough to overturn what appeared to be a lock scum read. There might be something here that could be worth exploring at a later time.

I really dislike #1422 of falcon on Epi. I don't see what falcon is getting at or how his questions could be AI. The post looks distancy. In fact, the whole exchange on that page between the two of them just feels off, like insulting each other for the sake of doing so. Do they have a vendetta or something?

#1462 dunya is sheeping Mac on ted when Mac's stated reason for voting ted is that dunya is mafia with ted. I don't get this.

Marmot #1526 looks like a fake reason to show suspicion of 112. I feel like 112's posts accusing dunya and Epi were transparently jokish / sarcastic. Also, at the time of Marmot's post, Mac had already shaded both Epi and dunya earlier in the day, so it's strange that only 112 faces this accusation.

I'm uncomfortable with hollowkatt repeatedly claiming credit for the ted wagon before he's flipped. I don't think it's alignment-indicative right now, but I'm noting this for later.

falcon townread has basically totally evaporated as of #1666. Lots and lots of questions with zero stances.

#1696 hollowkatt says she suspects both myself and tedxtr. She suspects tedxtr for the mech discussion, which I spurred. This doesn't seem like a logical or town mindset, I would expect anyone who thinks ted is scum based on the mech talk to think I'm town for bringing it up.

#1732 Guillotine voting Epi over a misunderstanding looks really awful for him. Very opportunistic vote.

[Marmot]

I pity the fool.


I also don't feel better about 112 than I did about Esooa. Any other thoughts on that slot.

[Guillotine]

Urist cant wait to find a way to yeet me. First it was the pictures now the way i vote seeking for reactions.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

[Urist]

Did anyone send mana to kyle yesterday? Would be helpful to know if it was potentially PtF which killed him.

[Urist]

Urist cant wait to find a way to yeet me. First it was the pictures now the way i vote seeking for reactions.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

Scummy is as scummy does.

[Marmot]

Did anyone send mana to kyle yesterday? Would be helpful to know if it was potentially PtF which killed him.

It would be janitored if they did, no?

[Urist]

Also I love how you clearly just skimmed my post for your own name and ignored the rest LOL

[Urist]

Did anyone send mana to kyle yesterday? Would be helpful to know if it was potentially PtF which killed him.

It would be janitored if they did, no?

ohhh the explanation about Exiled was definitely added after I read the OP, thanks.

[Guillotine]

Urist cant wait to find a way to yeet me. First it was the pictures now the way i vote seeking for reactions.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

Scummy is as scummy does.

Nice self reflection there buddy. Kind of defeatist attitude there though.

You've been in my scum list since day 1 and you havent town up.

Im pretty much inno child and your vote on me looks bad either when im alive or dead.

[Marmot]

Did anyone send mana to kyle yesterday? Would be helpful to know if it was potentially PtF which killed him.

It would be janitored if they did, no?

ohhh the explanation about Exiled was definitely added after I read the OP, thanks.

I noticed it during Day 1, but I don't know if/when it was added.