Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[Marmot]

I would yeet JPIC. My memory of him today is throwing random shade in my direction.

[Jackofhearts2005]

People with no votes (not counting mine) that I don’t have a reason to townread: Wilgy, Dunya (arguable), Enrique, Falcon

People with votes that I do have a reason to townread: Marmot, Epi, Urist, JPic (arguable), Mac (arguable)

People with votes I don’t have a reason to townread: Ted

I’m sure I left somebody out but I loathe the current wagon formation.

Sell me on wolf Falcon if you can? I kinda think he's town so getting your perspective not only helps me on him, but also helps me sort you.

I don’t have a super strong Falcon read. It’s just a hunch. He doesn’t feel like he’s really trying to determine alignment. He’s just mad that players aren’t doing enough and voting for some of them. He had a badish push on...Epi? Maybe?

Like the frustration could be real. I just didn’t get the idea he was trying to read me. Maybe his vote on me was trying to get me to react so he could. Idk.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My main hesitation on yeeting JPic is I trust neither Ted nor Dunya.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Marmot,

Just noticed it. I tend to start reading at point B and stay caught up until point C. Then I will be away until point D. At that point, I will simultaneously start reading at point D and C, trying to keep up and ketchup at the same time. Occasionally (especially early in the game), I will close a window (usually on purpose) and simply lose the posts between C and D.

You can kinda see these two parallel time streams in my isos if you really look for them so just FYI, that’s why it may feel like I’m picking random ass posts out from 10 pages back.

Anyway, why?

I do this too tbh. It's a pain in active games and I just give up on the point C catchup.

What did you just notice? I'm confused at what you're responding to.

Also, why what?

hmm, i saw pyre ted yesterday, i tred him in that game and defended him against the thread and he sussed me so i'm gonna be wary of letting him think i townread him now lol.

[VOTE: guillio] aubergine tbh. he's stifling me and i don't like it. if anyone has been "chaotic" in the thread, it's been him.

Did you notice this earlier and comment on it now, or just notice this?

In hindsight, I think you were talking to Dunya about this post not to me about my post about this post.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Justplayingitcool
@hollowkatt

Talk to me about your votes.

Ted is a wolf.

Maybe give me a little bit more.

He's a really furry wolf?
I dunno what you want from me. I think his play D1 with regards to mana generation is wolfy, and I think it's weird how he's not trying to solve all that hard today while being on the hot seat when he said he'd do good work if he lived through D1. He hasn't been exactly slanking, but like when I'm town and on the hot seat like that I tend to go into overdrive and just churn out posts, reads, and pushes and really get down in the trenches with the people I wolf read.
Instead Ted is just kinda "here" and I have to wonder if that's b/c he's trying to avoid spew.

I know not everyone plays like me, but more often than not, in my experience, townies under pressure "do work" and wolves under pressure "do not-work".

Spoiler: show

What is falcon's single scummiest post, you never told us.

I was hoping to cheat on the quiz.

Have you answered yet?

Yeah. When I voted for him.

You did comment on on his iso as a whole, not his single scummiest post.

I’m the type to still be working after you’ve turned in your trick quiz with your name only on it.

I can vibe with that read. I want to townread you for it, too.


Hmmmmmm.


Ted or JPic?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@falcon45ca

Can we learn we’re both town and yeet someone not cuddly rodent shaped?

[hollowkatt]

People with no votes (not counting mine) that I don’t have a reason to townread: Wilgy, Dunya (arguable), Enrique, Falcon

People with votes that I do have a reason to townread: Marmot, Epi, Urist, JPic (arguable), Mac (arguable)

People with votes I don’t have a reason to townread: Ted

I’m sure I left somebody out but I loathe the current wagon formation.

Sell me on wolf Falcon if you can? I kinda think he's town so getting your perspective not only helps me on him, but also helps me sort you.

I don’t have a super strong Falcon read. It’s just a hunch. He doesn’t feel like he’s really trying to determine alignment. He’s just mad that players aren’t doing enough and voting for some of them. He had a badish push on...Epi? Maybe?

Like the frustration could be real. I just didn’t get the idea he was trying to read me. Maybe his vote on me was trying to get me to react so he could. Idk.

Cool. You're town. Falcon I'm unsure on. I think he's town off of a post or two D1 but tbh I haven't payed much attention to his stuff today

[hollowkatt]

@Justplayingitcool
@hollowkatt

Talk to me about your votes.

Ted is a wolf.

Maybe give me a little bit more.

He's a really furry wolf?
I dunno what you want from me. I think his play D1 with regards to mana generation is wolfy, and I think it's weird how he's not trying to solve all that hard today while being on the hot seat when he said he'd do good work if he lived through D1. He hasn't been exactly slanking, but like when I'm town and on the hot seat like that I tend to go into overdrive and just churn out posts, reads, and pushes and really get down in the trenches with the people I wolf read.
Instead Ted is just kinda "here" and I have to wonder if that's b/c he's trying to avoid spew.

I know not everyone plays like me, but more often than not, in my experience, townies under pressure "do work" and wolves under pressure "do not-work".

Spoiler: show

I was hoping to cheat on the quiz.

Have you answered yet?

Yeah. When I voted for him.

You did comment on on his iso as a whole, not his single scummiest post.

I’m the type to still be working after you’ve turned in your trick quiz with your name only on it.

I can vibe with that read. I want to townread you for it, too.


Hmmmmmm.


Ted or JPic?

you and me baby, town core 4 lyfe

[Marmot]

Marmot,

Just noticed it. I tend to start reading at point B and stay caught up until point C. Then I will be away until point D. At that point, I will simultaneously start reading at point D and C, trying to keep up and ketchup at the same time. Occasionally (especially early in the game), I will close a window (usually on purpose) and simply lose the posts between C and D.

You can kinda see these two parallel time streams in my isos if you really look for them so just FYI, that’s why it may feel like I’m picking random ass posts out from 10 pages back.

Anyway, why?

I do this too tbh. It's a pain in active games and I just give up on the point C catchup.

What did you just notice? I'm confused at what you're responding to.

Also, why what?

hmm, i saw pyre ted yesterday, i tred him in that game and defended him against the thread and he sussed me so i'm gonna be wary of letting him think i townread him now lol.

[VOTE: guillio] aubergine tbh. he's stifling me and i don't like it. if anyone has been "chaotic" in the thread, it's been him.

Did you notice this earlier and comment on it now, or just notice this?

In hindsight, I think you were talking to Dunya about this post not to me about my post about this post.

That was a product of me catching up from point C and trying to talk to you at my point D with your point D during your point C.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

[Guillotine]

@Justplayingitcool
@hollowkatt

Talk to me about your votes.

Ted is a wolf.

Maybe give me a little bit more.

He's a really furry wolf?
I dunno what you want from me. I think his play D1 with regards to mana generation is wolfy, and I think it's weird how he's not trying to solve all that hard today while being on the hot seat when he said he'd do good work if he lived through D1. He hasn't been exactly slanking, but like when I'm town and on the hot seat like that I tend to go into overdrive and just churn out posts, reads, and pushes and really get down in the trenches with the people I wolf read.
Instead Ted is just kinda "here" and I have to wonder if that's b/c he's trying to avoid spew.

I know not everyone plays like me, but more often than not, in my experience, townies under pressure "do work" and wolves under pressure "do not-work".

Spoiler: show

Have you answered yet?

Yeah. When I voted for him.

You did comment on on his iso as a whole, not his single scummiest post.

I’m the type to still be working after you’ve turned in your trick quiz with your name only on it.

I can vibe with that read. I want to townread you for it, too.


Hmmmmmm.


Ted or JPic?

you and me baby, town core 4 lyfe

[Jackofhearts2005]

you and me baby, town core 4 lyfe

Now we just gotta figure out who to yeet and convince Marmot to post in Leorio gifs.

[Jackofhearts2005]

See, like idk if that’s a lion saying yes or a lion saying no.

[Marmot]

I dunno what Leorio is, but I am TRing you again Jack

[Jackofhearts2005]

@tutuu

I love your game sorry for not being super active to start.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I dunno what Leorio is, but I am TRing you again Jack

HxH is about a lot of things but on the surface, it is about two best friends, (the boys in the gif i just posted), Gon and Killua, on several adventures.

The pair have lots of friends but one of their two best is Leorio, a largely incompetent but hilarious guy who wants to be a doctor via super powered ninja training.



Basically, I’m saying you’re in the towncore too.

[Enrique]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

[Marmot]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

@Enrique

Maybe. In total, I had 1 less mana yesterday than I needed to use my better power. So it would be out to use. That said, there’s a fair chance I got pity the fooled by the wolves yesterday because I asked for more mana so if you give it to me and the same gift and fool pittying happens again, I may be on my way to dying.

Legit, probably best to just give it to someone you townread and not have anyone volunteer power info.

(Though fool pitying isn’t that strong)

[hollowkatt]

See, like idk if that’s a lion saying yes or a lion saying no.

the lion is happy AND you can see buildings in the background to indicate "village" or "town".
Should we include Guillo? I kinda think yes

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

@Enrique

Maybe. In total, I had 1 less mana yesterday than I needed to use my better power. So it would be out to use. That said, there’s a fair chance I got pity the fooled by the wolves yesterday because I asked for more mana so if you give it to me and the same gift and fool pittying happens again, I may be on my way to dying.

Legit, probably best to just give it to someone you townread and not have anyone volunteer power info.

(Though fool pitying isn’t that strong)

It's strong in that it's uncounterable though.

[hollowkatt]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

I think all of us can do flashier things with more mana than we can produce. At least one person has talked about Kicker with regards to their abilities meaning they can do something cooler than normal with more than they can produce.

[Marmot]

Must... find... scum...

[hollowkatt]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

I like this take

[Enrique]

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

@Enrique

Maybe. In total, I had 1 less mana yesterday than I needed to use my better power. So it would be out to use. That said, there’s a fair chance I got pity the fooled by the wolves yesterday because I asked for more mana so if you give it to me and the same gift and fool pittying happens again, I may be on my way to dying.

Legit, probably best to just give it to someone you townread and not have anyone volunteer power info.

(Though fool pitying isn’t that strong)

Okay. You’re in consideration right now, I can remove you from my list if you want me to. If you’re on the list though you should ask the thread NOT to give you any mana to avoid PtF risk (idk whether the mafia would risk it / think i’m bluffing but best stay clear).

You wouldn’t be able to use this mana tonight.

[Enrique]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

I think all of us can do flashier things with more mana than we can produce. At least one person has talked about Kicker with regards to their abilities meaning they can do something cooler than normal with more than they can produce.

Yeah. I got a kicker but it’s specific enough that nobody should bother sending me mana unless I ask for it.

[Marmot]

dunya
Epignosis
Guillotine
hollowkatt
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
DrWilgy
Enrique
MacDougall
tedxtr
Urist
falcon45ca
Justplayingitcool
112

This is my current rainbow. This time, yellow (Enrique) is null, whereas orange is middling (could go either way)

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca

Can we learn we’re both town and yeet someone not cuddly rodent shaped?

Why do you think Marmot is town? I'm sus of him this RD, based off his criticism of 112 for voting the same wagon that 112's scum reads (Marmot & Epi) were voting.


Thing is, both Marmot & Epi were ALSO voting the same wagon as one of their scum reads....me. I've quoted Marmot recently pointing out this hypocrisy...crickets.


Marmot also declined to give a read on my ISO despite being asked several times last RD, and only did so much later when my wagon got some traction.

[falcon45ca]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

What does this mean? Sounds like you're hedging a bit, and what do you mean "don't think today's the day that happens"? How on earth is a TP this confident in their reads?


What discord am I sewing amongst the players today?

[tedxtr]

I dunno what you want from me. I think his play D1 with regards to mana generation is wolfy, and I think it's weird how he's not trying to solve all that hard today while being on the hot seat when he said he'd do good work if he lived through D1. He hasn't been exactly slanking, but like when I'm town and on the hot seat like that I tend to go into overdrive and just churn out posts, reads, and pushes and really get down in the trenches with the people I wolf read.

so i'm a wolf because i am not playing like you would as a town in this situation

[Justplayingitcool]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

Sewing discord for scumreading you? ok pal

[Marmot]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

What does this mean? Sounds like you're hedging a bit, and what do you mean "don't think today's the day that happens"? How on earth is a TP this confident in their reads?


What discord am I sewing amongst the players today?

I'm confident in the POE that I've established, and until it's proved inaccurate, I don't feel the need reconsider my strong townreads.


But to answer your question, it's posts like this. Instead of asking me to clarify or something like that, you're saying that I'm hedging and imo framing my post in a negative light and discrediting me.

[falcon45ca]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

What does this mean? Sounds like you're hedging a bit, and what do you mean "don't think today's the day that happens"? How on earth is a TP this confident in their reads?


What discord am I sewing amongst the players today?

I'm confident in the POE that I've established, and until it's proved inaccurate, I don't feel the need reconsider my strong townreads.


But to answer your question, it's posts like this. Instead of asking me to clarify or something like that, you're saying that I'm hedging and imo framing my post in a negative light and discrediting me.

I literally asked you "What does this mean?" WTF are you talking about, didn't ask you to clarify...that's the definition of asking for clarification!

[tedxtr]

anyway, still keeping my vote on jpic and it's probably locked in for the day

[Marmot]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

Sewing discord for scumreading you? ok pal

What do you think of my townreads? Do you disagree?

[MacDougall]

Vote for Epi you God damned *expletive deleted*.

Can I get a check in on how you're feeling Mac? You seem irritated.

How caught up are you rn?

Supremely irritated.

Not very.

What can we do to not irritate you?

How much do you plan on catching up?

I dunno but asking me questions like that seems to work. What are you Dr. Phil?

I don't know at this point. If I live a little while I'll get around to it.

I don't super need to catch up to be positively contributing tho.

I just outed myself as town KP so I will catch a NK tonight probably.

so you didnt block me?

The damage is a kicker ability. The block my base ability.

[tedxtr]

i could yeet hk too if all he's gonna do this game is to push on me because i am not reacting like he would at any given moment

anything works

[Justplayingitcool]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

Sewing discord for scumreading you? ok pal

What do you think of my townreads? Do you disagree?

I only townread the following: Jack & HK. maybe guillo is slightly town, i guess

the rest are either null or scum

[falcon45ca]

Marmot, were you pretty sure of your PoE when you voted for Made and he got lynched? That was proven inaccurate, so where does this confidence come from?

[Justplayingitcool]

anyway, still keeping my vote on jpic and it's probably locked in for the day

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

[MacDougall]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

Yes please. I have a kicker that's deal 5 damage

[tedxtr]

anyway, still keeping my vote on jpic and it's probably locked in for the day

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

jsyk it looks wolfy because i'm a counterwagon to you

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

@Enrique

Maybe. In total, I had 1 less mana yesterday than I needed to use my better power. So it would be out to use. That said, there’s a fair chance I got pity the fooled by the wolves yesterday because I asked for more mana so if you give it to me and the same gift and fool pittying happens again, I may be on my way to dying.

Legit, probably best to just give it to someone you townread and not have anyone volunteer power info.

(Though fool pitying isn’t that strong)

Okay. You’re in consideration right now, I can remove you from my list if you want me to. If you’re on the list though you should ask the thread NOT to give you any mana to avoid PtF risk (idk whether the mafia would risk it / think i’m bluffing but best stay clear).

You wouldn’t be able to use this mana tonight.

Okay. Sounds good.

[MacDougall]

All of that nodding up and down while I was reading dunya's posts have put a hurting on me.

Pocket attempt

[Justplayingitcool]

anyway, still keeping my vote on jpic and it's probably locked in for the day

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

jsyk it looks wolfy because i'm a counterwagon to you

[MacDougall]

People I won't be voting for today:

dunya
Guillotine
Marmot
Kylemii

This is not how Epi solves as town. This is Epi with an agenda.

[Marmot]

Marmot, were you pretty sure of your PoE when you voted for Made and he got lynched? That was proven inaccurate, so where does this confidence come from?

The confidence comes from my townreads finding moments in the thread where they're townreading each other.

[MacDougall]

I don't play Mafia the same way you do, that's one thing I've learned already.

well keep practicing and someday you could

Kyle isn't dumb.

More pocketing

[tedxtr]

mac, what mana do you need again?

[Enrique]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

Yes please. I have a kicker that's deal 5 damage

There’s no guarantee that I’ll choose you, and if you’re on my list you’re agreeing that no one else send you mana to avoid a PtF. Is that alright?