Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[TonyStarkPrime]

please expand on this if u don't mind

[VOTE: long con] aubergine what's this guy's deal

day 5 lc chops feel like they always go poorly

As for marmot, I just see no reason to TR him to be honest. He feels like he's reading the game but is purposely acting oblivious and hasn't expressed a consistent set of beliefs.

Can you explain this more? That's a pretty heavy-handed accusation to toss around.

which part

All of it.

First let me cover with "don't have a reason to townread" is not the same as "is bottom poe". But I think the following is true:
1) you are one of the top posters and have presented yourself generally in an opposition role, like Tim in GOC or whatever. That's fine by itself, but in a game where town unity is lacking, I think that it presents itself poorly.
2) I think your case on Martin was poorly reasoned yesterday and your determination to sheep nanook on daisy was questionable as well, though I just read your ISO and you do have a thing for this daisy / LC day 1 slip. Honestly, I could buy that.
2a) One reason I found it questionable is that it didn't seem to me like you were looking for a specific set of characteristics. You didn't like how Martin did X, but you didn't mention or expressed support for the others who did the same thing
3) The sloonei stuff
4) Despite the fact that you seemed to be working yesterday, (see 2: you cased martin), today you came in and it felt like you presented yourself as sorta lost. I think scum has advantages in doing that.

These things are what went into the things I said here. This is not the same as the question of whether I think you're wolf or town. Two other things that go into that question

1) VCA is pretty bad for you. Now VCA generally requires people to be acting rationally, wolves haven't demonstrated that this game, etc.etc.
2) I frankly think your progression on Chop is not town. You voted him on Day 2 and said numerous times that he was wolfy (before voting for and dedicating most of your time to sloonei) , didn't touch him on Day 3, and you're sure he's town by day 4. something went wrong here. Now, confbias but whatever.

i don't adequately link point 1 here to the other stuff -- it's weird to me to present yourself in this opposition role and then try to sheep people

[TonyStarkPrime]

the only high activity slots who aren't dead are me and urist and Martin so given that I think me and urist and martin are town

Huh?

Alison has more posts than Urist or Martin
I have more posts than Martin, and roughly the same as Urist.


I don't really understand some of your takes today.

I asterisked alison and I don't consider you a high activity slot recently. If you disagree with this reading, that's fine

[MartinGG99]

I think I want Kyle dead somewhat but what I really want to see more is proof that Marmot has genuine certified ground squirrel fur or just a wolf with makeup on.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Also I think TSP is town despite the the VC on him. I think he would have to be a very talented wolf and IMO ChopChop just doesn't like TSP's playstyle.

[Urist]

Urist are you BOS

No
Actually I think it's possible to deduce my faction from my iso but I don't recommend trying

[TonyStarkPrime]

And for how he treated LC day 1 though I'd like to get followup for that

I thought lc was vc bc c4 was enclave

noted.

[MartinGG99]

I got no interest in Chopping ChopChop unless his thread presence makes us prone to becoming Mutants or someone else is BoS. In which case I may reconsider.

[Dom]

I have played this game for like 12 years and y'all use jargon i've never cared to learn

[TonyStarkPrime]

Urist are you BOS

No
Actually I think it's possible to deduce my faction from my iso but I don't recommend trying

is it redding because I seriously think I'm right this time

[Dom]

what do y'all think my alignment is

[Dom]

anyone wanna chat?
i have free time, wine, reality tv, and my laptop.

[MartinGG99]

what do y'all think my alignment is

Probably Town. For pushing my buttons on D3.

Wolves don't need to do that imo.

Other than that I haven't super-looked into you, and iirc you were somewhat town-read by my townreads on D1/D2.

[Dom]

i love pushing buttons : 3

[Marmot]

please expand on this if u don't mind

[VOTE: long con] aubergine what's this guy's deal

day 5 lc chops feel like they always go poorly

As for marmot, I just see no reason to TR him to be honest. He feels like he's reading the game but is purposely acting oblivious and hasn't expressed a consistent set of beliefs.

Can you explain this more? That's a pretty heavy-handed accusation to toss around.

which part

All of it.

First let me cover with "don't have a reason to townread" is not the same as "is bottom poe". But I think the following is true:
1) you are one of the top posters and have presented yourself generally in an opposition role, like Tim in GOC or whatever. That's fine by itself, but in a game where town unity is lacking, I think that it presents itself poorly.
2) I think your case on Martin was poorly reasoned yesterday and your determination to sheep nanook on daisy was questionable as well, though I just read your ISO and you do have a thing for this daisy / LC day 1 slip. Honestly, I could buy that.
2a) One reason I found it questionable is that it didn't seem to me like you were looking for a specific set of characteristics. You didn't like how Martin did X, but you didn't mention or expressed support for the others who did the same thing
3) The sloonei stuff
4) Despite the fact that you seemed to be working yesterday, (see 2: you cased martin), today you came in and it felt like you presented yourself as sorta lost. I think scum has advantages in doing that.

These things are what went into the things I said here. This is not the same as the question of whether I think you're wolf or town. Two other things that go into that question

1) VCA is pretty bad for you. Now VCA generally requires people to be acting rationally, wolves haven't demonstrated that this game, etc.etc.
2) I frankly think your progression on Chop is not town. You voted him on Day 2 and said numerous times that he was wolfy (before voting for and dedicating most of your time to sloonei) , didn't touch him on Day 3, and you're sure he's town by day 4. something went wrong here. Now, confbias but whatever.

2a) Are there other players that did X that you're talking about? There could be, I'm just not aware of them.
3) Yeah, Sloonei and I thunderdomed. I don't know what your take away is from that, but it left me townreading him (not immediately, but eventually), and it also took a lot of my energy to engage and that, which is why I've been feeling lost and somewhat unmotivated afterward.
4) I did feel lost. I felt like Mac was a lucky hit, and though we hit scum, it doesn't help us at all finding the rest of the Enclave.


1) Why is my VCA a bad look, and does this matter compared to everyone else's? It's one thing if a VCA stands out, but I assume a lot of us have bad VCA's this game. Speaking of VCA, I did vote for Made the day he was yeeted, did you talk about that at all? I'm trying to figure out what you find bad about my VCA.
2) I mean, he was wolfy. But as the game went on, he seems to show a lot of motivation, despite the pressure against him, and even some frustration from other players thrown his way. I townread him for these reasons, but also, I figure he'll eventually use his "spy" ability and it can be resolved then.

[MartinGG99]

How do ya feel about Tony?

I'm just curious tbh.

[MartinGG99]

(to dom)

[Marmot]

anyone wanna chat?
i have free time, wine, reality tv, and my laptop.

Yes and hi

[Dom]

Tony could go either way for me. I could see myself voting for him at the end of the day

[MartinGG99]

@ChopChop if you're planning to use the spy ability it would be better if you used your spy ability on me. I've only targeted two people so far, and one of them was Alison.

With Epignosis, we don't know how many he has targeted other than at least Alison.

[Dom]

anyone wanna chat?
i have free time, wine, reality tv, and my laptop.

Yes and hi

i friend my marmy

are you someone i need dead?

[Marmot]

An argument that I'm town is that I don't think a single player would blink if I was yeeted today (meaning I have no teammates interested in keeping me alive).

[Dom]

An argument that I'm town is that I don't think a single player would blink if I was yeeted today (meaning I have no teammates interested in keeping me alive).

doesn't answer my question

[Marmot]

anyone wanna chat?
i have free time, wine, reality tv, and my laptop.

Yes and hi

i friend my marmy

are you someone i need dead?

I'm going to assume based on my previous townread of you that the answer is no.

[TonyStarkPrime]

day 5 lc chops feel like they always go poorly

As for marmot, I just see no reason to TR him to be honest. He feels like he's reading the game but is purposely acting oblivious and hasn't expressed a consistent set of beliefs.

Can you explain this more? That's a pretty heavy-handed accusation to toss around.

which part

All of it.

First let me cover with "don't have a reason to townread" is not the same as "is bottom poe". But I think the following is true:
1) you are one of the top posters and have presented yourself generally in an opposition role, like Tim in GOC or whatever. That's fine by itself, but in a game where town unity is lacking, I think that it presents itself poorly.
2) I think your case on Martin was poorly reasoned yesterday and your determination to sheep nanook on daisy was questionable as well, though I just read your ISO and you do have a thing for this daisy / LC day 1 slip. Honestly, I could buy that.
2a) One reason I found it questionable is that it didn't seem to me like you were looking for a specific set of characteristics. You didn't like how Martin did X, but you didn't mention or expressed support for the others who did the same thing
3) The sloonei stuff
4) Despite the fact that you seemed to be working yesterday, (see 2: you cased martin), today you came in and it felt like you presented yourself as sorta lost. I think scum has advantages in doing that.

These things are what went into the things I said here. This is not the same as the question of whether I think you're wolf or town. Two other things that go into that question

1) VCA is pretty bad for you. Now VCA generally requires people to be acting rationally, wolves haven't demonstrated that this game, etc.etc.
2) I frankly think your progression on Chop is not town. You voted him on Day 2 and said numerous times that he was wolfy (before voting for and dedicating most of your time to sloonei) , didn't touch him on Day 3, and you're sure he's town by day 4. something went wrong here. Now, confbias but whatever.

2a) Are there other players that did X that you're talking about? There could be, I'm just not aware of them.
3) Yeah, Sloonei and I thunderdomed. I don't know what your take away is from that, but it left me townreading him (not immediately, but eventually), and it also took a lot of my energy to engage and that, which is why I've been feeling lost and somewhat unmotivated afterward.
4) I did feel lost. I felt like Mac was a lucky hit, and though we hit scum, it doesn't help us at all finding the rest of the Enclave.


1) Why is my VCA a bad look, and does this matter compared to everyone else's? It's one thing if a VCA stands out, but I assume a lot of us have bad VCA's this game. Speaking of VCA, I did vote for Made the day he was yeeted, did you talk about that at all? I'm trying to figure out what you find bad about my VCA.
2) I mean, he was wolfy. But as the game went on, he seems to show a lot of motivation, despite the pressure against him, and even some frustration from other players thrown his way. I townread him for these reasons, but also, I figure he'll eventually use his "spy" ability and it can be resolved then.

Start at the bottom:
2: Ok.
1: My computer overheated so ai can’t pull up my tables but you’re the only non green name on one of the top two wagons on Day 1, and on other days you seemed to me like you were trying to avoid a confrontational stance.
4: I understand this. I’ll reinterpret my initial statement in a different light: “I think Marmot is more in tune with this game than he lets on.” I think this remains true, but perhaps only comparatively. We’re all a little lost this game.
3: I think this is a good explanation and it does help me understand where you see yourself in the thread.
2A) you mentioned LC and Martin, but Jack (and Chop) behaved similarly on Day 3 and I think your own actions on Day 3 are pretty similar.

[Marmot]

I'm a 9 on the enneagram, I hate conflict.

[Dom]

@Marmot what's up with your vote I missed that

[Dom]

I'm an ENFJ bitch

[Dom]

urist you got anything to say to my face or you just gonna spout some bullshit?

[Marmot]

I'm an ENFJ bitch

Ahhhhhhhh!! Scary extrovert


I don't remember when I voted sprityo, but I assume it was last night when I was kinda tipsy.

[Marmot]

2A) you mentioned LC and Martin, but Jack (and Chop) behaved similarly on Day 3 and I think your own actions on Day 3 are pretty similar.

I don't remember my specific actions at the moment Omega slipped, though I do remember noticing it later, and for some reason still struggling to accept it, but eventually finding a reason I could believe in.

[Dom]

So hat do you want to actually do, then, Marmot?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Honestly Marmot I thought your progression on that was generally pretty towny but you kept looking for exit ramps which is a bit suspicious

[TonyStarkPrime]

But whatever

[Marmot]

Honestly Marmot I thought your progression on that was generally pretty towny but you kept looking for exit ramps which is a bit suspicious

Well, pick your poison, I can only be one alignment or the other.

I guess technically this game is a spectrum of alignments, but there's still townish and scummish.

[Marmot]

So hat do you want to actually do, then, Marmot?

At this moment, I would be fine yeeting anyone today name Sprityo, Long Con, Martin, or Syn.

[Syn]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

just gonna go down the list until I hit someone not confirmed

Well from your perspective she's technically confirmed not-your-enemey.

Alison is confirmed pracitcally to be New Reno or Slaver. While you do have slaver as an enemy (for Redding), there's an important part I want to point out:

Redding wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one combined between the Slavers faction and Jagged Jimmy J is left alive.

Jagged Jimmy J was mod-killed on D2 due to an accident. Therefore, you don't need slaver dead anymore (as that doesn't further your wincon anymore).

The only thing is, is that Slaver needs you dead (as they need 80% of their enemies dead) and they are now an enemy of a lesser degree if they prevent you from killing Enclave.

Like TL;DR You don't need Alison (even if slaver) dead anymore, the only difference that makes is if they need you dead.

why did i agree to playing a six-faction game

[Marmot]

Another reason I feel lost is that some players keep talking about roles they think other players are, and I'm having trouble seeing those clues.

[Dom]

I am bad at role clues lol relatable content

[TonyStarkPrime]

Another reason I feel lost is that some players keep talking about roles they think other players are, and I'm having trouble seeing those clues.

Every time thusfar we’ve been wrong so I wouldnt worry too much

[TonyStarkPrime]

IN ALL CAPS: IF YOU ARE BOS PLEASE CLAIM IF YOU SEE THIS ty

[TonyStarkPrime]

Goodness do I sound desperate or what

[Syn]

Goodness do I sound desperate or what

desperation is hot

[Dom]

summer
so hot right now

[TonyStarkPrime]

Goodness do I sound desperate or what

desperation is hot

Completely off topic but my friend is sitting through a twilight marathon today and I’ve done a lot of stupid things for girls but for the rest of my life I will have the ability to say “but I won’t do that”

[Alison]

nothing wrong with twilight

[Dom]

i'm watdhing riverdale and my brain is rotting

[Dom]

tony what is your impression of the charges brought against you?

[TonyStarkPrime]

tony what is your impression of the charges brought against you?

People who haven’t been following the game believing a loud person with no substance

[Syn]

Goodness do I sound desperate or what

desperation is hot

Completely off topic but my friend is sitting through a twilight marathon today and I’ve done a lot of stupid things for girls but for the rest of my life I will have the ability to say “but I won’t do that”

bold move saying this to someone who went to the premiere for eclipse

[TonyStarkPrime]

I would watch one twilight movie

[TonyStarkPrime]

I take that back