Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Not happening.

[Marmot]

But kyle you should still tell us who you want to vote off today.

[Syn]

But I’ll rise above it

[TonyStarkPrime]

I sorta feel like there’s an attempt to control my vote here but I reject this
[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

[Marmot]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Wolfy

I don't know what Kyle's role is, but I would like to point you to this statement

Like if there exists a living hubo then yes, any living arroyo need the slaver to die (or the hubo). This is a decent reason for a hubo to not claim. However, I suspect any arroyo in the game will not make it til end of game

in response to this

I don’t why Kyle does not want to claim

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Wolfy

I don't know what Kyle's role is, but I would like to point you to this statement

Like if there exists a living hubo then yes, any living arroyo need the slaver to die (or the hubo). This is a decent reason for a hubo to not claim. However, I suspect any arroyo in the game will not make it til end of game

in response to this

I don’t why Kyle does not want to claim

Pretty sure Kyle claimed not hubo

[TonyStarkPrime]

I took Kyle’s question about Hubos to mean that he was arroyo or VT, I took Epi’s statement to be confirmation of this

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also like Kyle noting that spf flipped hubo and all that

[TonyStarkPrime]

But even regardless of this fact that doesn’t make these statements logically contradictory

[Kylemii]

But kyle you should still tell us who you want to vote off today.

i really just don't know

i mean i guess if the PoE is really Kyle, Marmot, Jack, Long Con, Chop, Dom, Poison then i don't mind fishing in that bucket for the sake of Endgame Mathematics

as alluded to, i think you're probably town. and as epignosis alluded to, i too also am town.

so that leaves Jack, Long Con, Chop, Dom, and Poison, 5 players whom i personally have no idea why or why not they should be in the PoE.

which i guess is what a PoE is, by definition, but what i'm saying is that i'm especially ignorant here, given that i was born yesterday

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I would not like to see TSP get deleted here.

Syn could be double-voting here, thus making that the leading wagon and I firmly believe that TSP is town.

LC is likely town to me as well, but if I have to choose who dies here I would rather it be LC.

[Marmot]

I'm not saying that He's Hubo, I'm pointing out that you there are reasons for people to not claim, one of which you've stated, but you still seemed incredulous that Kyle wouldn't claim.


I think you're role-fishing in a scummy sort of way.

[MartinGG99]

But I’ll rise above it

this hints at it I think

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm not saying that He's Hubo, I'm pointing out that you there are reasons for people to not claim, one of which you've stated, but you still seemed incredulous that Kyle wouldn't claim.


I think you're role-fishing in a scummy sort of way.

There is only one role scums want to fish for and I’ve not exactly been silent about what I think about this role

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I would not like to see TSP get deleted here.

Syn could be double-voting here, thus making that the leading wagon and I firmly believe that TSP is town.

LC is likely town to me as well, but if I have to choose who dies here I would rather it be LC.

Why wouldn't you like TSP to be deleted?

Also, I don't understand, why are you worried about Syn in particular double-voting?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Syn has claimed a double voter

[Marmot]

Oh wow, I'm really out of the loop.

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I would not like to see TSP get deleted here.

Syn could be double-voting here, thus making that the leading wagon and I firmly believe that TSP is town.

LC is likely town to me as well, but if I have to choose who dies here I would rather it be LC.

Why wouldn't you like TSP to be deleted?

Also, I don't understand, why are you worried about Syn in particular double-voting?

1. Why can't you see that if you realize that TSP just likes mechanical things? You seem to be stuck about roles and what-not and your concern about it.

2. Sheriff Marion is what Syn almost certainly hard-claimed to be. They can double-vote.

[MartinGG99]

Like, TSP is town in ways that I don't really care to explain because I feel like most people would be capable of seeing it unless they haven't spent much time in this game

[Kylemii]

LC tonereads to me as town, which means he's probably mafia actually

[MartinGG99]

He's also consistent in his behavioral beliefs as town

like ever since I originally suspected him I think he has been fairly town-telling unless you're going to tell me he's an amazing wolf

[Marmot]

1. Why can't you see that if you realize that TSP just likes mechanical things? You seem to be stuck about roles and what-not and your concern about it.

See what?

I don't see how someone liking mechanical things is a reason to townread them or AI at all.

[TonyStarkPrime]

LC’s handling of Made was shaky but I thought his ex post facto was good. I’ll scan the rest of the iso but I probably was looking at a lower Poe of Kyle, Dom, Jack today and Kyle’s being town shielded by my top town asterisk

[Syn]

idk why I'd burn a double-vote when I have no idea what's going on

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ok I can come up with another reason why Kyle wouldn’t want to claim

[Syn]

also tony stark

meme is of tony stark

y'know

funny ha ha

[Kylemii]

claiming is for melvins and poindexters

[MartinGG99]

1. Why can't you see that if you realize that TSP just likes mechanical things? You seem to be stuck about roles and what-not and your concern about it.

See what?

I don't see how someone liking mechanical things is a reason to townread them or AI at all.

No, I mean, *everything else* is quite towny about him

and the impression I'm getting is that you're afraid of him due to percieved role-fishing and wolf night-kill optimization

What I'm saying is that I think its natural for TSP to be this way lately imo

[Syn]

every game i be making jokes and people be taking them seriously

[MartinGG99]

And even if it wasn't normal for him I would think the way he's approaching but not really enforcing the issue is towny as well

[Marmot]

1. Why can't you see that if you realize that TSP just likes mechanical things? You seem to be stuck about roles and what-not and your concern about it.

See what?

I don't see how someone liking mechanical things is a reason to townread them or AI at all.

No, I mean, *everything else* is quite towny about him

and the impression I'm getting is that you're afraid of him due to percieved role-fishing and wolf night-kill optimization

What I'm saying is that I think its natural for TSP to be this way lately imo

My recent towntells for TSP are that he afks Day 1 and gets flash-wagoned.

[Kylemii]

is there a specific case against Long Con or is it just because he hasn't been mechanically confirmed with any strongness

same questo for tony i guess

[Marmot]

And even if it wasn't normal for him I would think the way he's approaching but not really enforcing the issue is towny as well

But he is enforcing the issue. That's my point.

[TonyStarkPrime]

And even if it wasn't normal for him I would think the way he's approaching but not really enforcing the issue is towny as well

But he is enforcing the issue. That's my point.

I’m not

[MartinGG99]

He isn't imo.

He has guesses as to what my role is but doesn't know it. I haven't claimed anything, and the amount of players who have hard-claimed is small.

[MartinGG99]

If he were "enforcing" the issue we would be seeing a mass claim and not only that but also a claim from himself as well, probably.

[TonyStarkPrime]

is there a specific case against Long Con or is it just because he hasn't been mechanically confirmed with any strongness

same questo for tony i guess

His handling of Made was questionable, VCA points that way, his thread awareness is avout where the wolf thread awareness seems to be. I still would say upper POE but if my hand were forced then I wouldn’t be upset

[Marmot]

is there a specific case against Long Con or is it just because he hasn't been mechanically confirmed with any strongness

same questo for tony i guess

I made this case on LC on Day 3.


https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 27#p745227

[Kylemii]

is there a specific case against Long Con or is it just because he hasn't been mechanically confirmed with any strongness

same questo for tony i guess

His handling of Made was questionable, VCA points that way, his thread awareness is avout where the wolf thread awareness seems to be. I still would say upper POE but if my hand were forced then I wouldn’t be upset

is this in regards to long con or tony

[Kylemii]

wait nevermidn lol you're tony

[TonyStarkPrime]

The case against me is that chop says so and also marmot has concerns that I’m role fishing for some mystery role (when wolf NKA shows they have no interest in role fishermening but I digress)

[Kylemii]

is there a specific case against Long Con or is it just because he hasn't been mechanically confirmed with any strongness

same questo for tony i guess

I made this case on LC on Day 3.


https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 27#p745227

thank u

[Marmot]

If he were "enforcing" the issue we would be seeing a mass claim and not only that but also a claim from himself as well, probably.

By enforcing I meant that:

TSP thought I hinted at tracking Epi and asked me to verify it. He could have accepted it and moved on, and I do think the townier play is to do that.

He simultaneously asked LC and Kyle to claim or he'd yeet them.

He also seemed surprised that Kyle would have a reason not to roleclaim.



These are examples of rolehunting that concern me.

[MartinGG99]

The case against me is that chop says so and also marmot has concerns that I’m role fishing for some mystery role (when wolf NKA shows they have no interest in role fishermening but I digress)

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This

Also that I once thought he was holding onto a tunnel for too long earlier in the game but I disagree with that past thought of mine now.

[Marmot]

Okay, I agree LC/Marmot feels awkward, both feel pushier than I'm use to seeing. I'm reminded of a video mafia game with Marmot where he got uncharacteristically agro while scum, and I could see that bleding in here, but his push on LC feel genuine which makes me think i'm wrong on exactly one of them ( which is why i wanted to here if mac got to the same conclusion or a similar one because...)
Mac is playing like he's scum attempting to play to his meta. I'd want to see more there before voting there, but a good place to look day 4
Chop feel manic but in a towny way. I see a why they're pushing alison so hard, and why no one in thread seems to be taking the carrot on that one, but the alignment who hates who table make that messy.
Sloonei is playing a Q/A game that reminds me of his play in christmas so I'm leaning town there
Pretty null on KZA off the top
Dom is probably scum, but I don't see energy there, so also probably a no go today

but yeah, i'm cool with a LC axe
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I don't really get why you offer reasons for Mac to be scum, for me to be scum, and for Long Con to be town, and in the end vote for Long Con.

And like, your take on me/LC is based on a thing that Mac said anyway.

Also, I forgot about this post that Made made.

[TonyStarkPrime]

If he were "enforcing" the issue we would be seeing a mass claim and not only that but also a claim from himself as well, probably.

By enforcing I meant that:

TSP thought I hinted at tracking Epi and asked me to verify it. He could have accepted it and moved on, and I do think the townier play is to do that.

He simultaneously asked LC and Kyle to claim or he'd yeet them.

He also seemed surprised that Kyle would have a reason not to roleclaim.



These are examples of rolehunting that concern me.

I did move on? I haven’t asked you what your role is since

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I would not like to see TSP get deleted here.

Syn could be double-voting here, thus making that the leading wagon and I firmly believe that TSP is town.

LC is likely town to me as well, but if I have to choose who dies here I would rather it be LC.

So you are covering TSP, and Epi is covering Kyle. Crappy to see the likely non-LC candidates getting fine patronages.

How about Jack?

LC tonereads to me as town, which means he's probably mafia actually

That's not how I operate, and never has been.

[MartinGG99]

If he were "enforcing" the issue we would be seeing a mass claim and not only that but also a claim from himself as well, probably.

By enforcing I meant that:

TSP thought I hinted at tracking Epi and asked me to verify it. He could have accepted it and moved on, and I do think the townier play is to do that.

He simultaneously asked LC and Kyle to claim or he'd yeet them.

He also seemed surprised that Kyle would have a reason not to roleclaim.



These are examples of rolehunting that concern me.

Well then, we have different standards of what we find to be acceptable.

I'll just leave it as that, even though I could elaborate on my opinions, since it seems to be a critical difference between us somewhere.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think it was Jack/Kyle too given that LC’s already claimed

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I would not like to see TSP get deleted here.

Syn could be double-voting here, thus making that the leading wagon and I firmly believe that TSP is town.

LC is likely town to me as well, but if I have to choose who dies here I would rather it be LC.

So you are covering TSP, and Epi is covering Kyle. Crappy to see the likely non-LC candidates getting fine patronages.

How about Jack?

LC tonereads to me as town, which means he's probably mafia actually

That's not how I operate, and never has been.

How ya feeling about Dom