Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Epignosis
Grogu
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Marmot
MartinGG99
Poison / Syn / Seanzie



I’d bet the game and 20 dollars on being town:
Daisy
Epi
Kyle
Martin
TSP
Urist

(Alison)

POE:
Grogu
LC
Jack
Marmot
Sean

So I’m POE and chop isn’t?

This is for tomorrow

[Urist]

i don't know just
~*signaling*~

[Grogu]

I know for a fact that Epignosis targeted a slaver unless he lied about who he targeted.

Did we explain this part? I am a bit confused on what this means.

[Grogu]

It's probably best for me to claim, though I recongize this puts someone into an awkward position and I've been trying to avoid doing that, but to me Chop Chop is just scum and I can't let this pass.

Yeah I think his claims are just too convenient and kept us from killing him for actually being scummy. I wanted him dead and people keep telling me he’s somehow clean because targeting dead player or some BS.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I know for a fact that Epignosis targeted a slaver unless he lied about who he targeted.

Did we explain this part? I am a bit confused on what this means.

Alison is the slaver, Epi said he targeted Alison, easy as that

[Grogu]

Tonyparker
I trusted you and took your side on chop early on and now you think he could be my teammate?

[Kylemii]

Okay but I’m actually unhappy about Kyle because @Marmot the reason I pressed him to claim, even alignment, even after he started crumbing that was because the BoS thing

what does any part of this sentence even mean, and how am i involved in any of this

[Grogu]

I know for a fact that Epignosis targeted a slaver unless he lied about who he targeted.

Did we explain this part? I am a bit confused on what this means.

Alison is the slaver, Epi said he targeted Alison, easy as that

Ok. I understand that somewhat.
How does Martin would know if epi lied? He seems very sure as if speaking on absolutes

[TonyStarkPrime]

If you and Epi are now masoned then one of your is BoS. If either of you had claimed that information yesterday then Chop would have died then

[Grogu]

Half of mafia is dead. Team that is, how many of the other scum team do we think there are left? And do we need to kill slaver to win?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tonyparker
I trusted you and took your side on chop early on and now you think he could be my teammate?

I think it’s possible

[Grogu]

If you and Epi are now masoned then one of your is BoS. If either of you had claimed that information yesterday then Chop would have died then

Must be talking to someone else. I have no mason or whatever.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yes that’s my response to Kyle

[Kylemii]

If you and Epi are now masoned then one of your is BoS. If either of you had claimed that information yesterday then Chop would have died then

because there can only be a certain number of steel bros?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Half of mafia is dead. Team that is, how many of the other scum team do we think there are left? And do we need to kill slaver to win?

2-3 enclave left, right now we don’t have the ability to waste a chop on Alison but with another clear we can to keep anything bad from happening

[TonyStarkPrime]

If you and Epi are now masoned then one of your is BoS. If either of you had claimed that information yesterday then Chop would have died then

because there can only be a certain number of steel bros?

We went over this yesterday, you can check back. There is a requirement in the game that there is at least Steel bro. Chop was the only claimed steel bro, so without a cc it’s mechanically unwise to chop him

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay I really do need to step back and think about what if I’m being tricked

[Grogu]

Tonyparker
I trusted you and took your side on chop early on and now you think he could be my teammate?

I think it’s possible

Anything is possible is not a very good response. Come on, is far fetched

[Grogu]

We should get any other brother to claim. If there’s like 2 more chop can safely die

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tonyparker
I trusted you and took your side on chop early on and now you think he could be my teammate?

I think it’s possible

Anything is possible is not a very good response. Come on, is far fetched

I’ll say it like this: everyone in the town section of that list is basically confirmed. You are not basically confirmed. Do I believe it likely that you’re mafia? No, not really. But I don’t have the justification to put you in the top group.

[MartinGG99]

If there’s like 2 more chop can safely die

When has there been a case where someone can safely die in this game other than D3???? lol

And you protected DOOM on that day despite the mech info against them.

[MartinGG99]

Other than this case, of course.

[Kylemii]

If you and Epi are now masoned then one of your is BoS. If either of you had claimed that information yesterday then Chop would have died then

because there can only be a certain number of steel bros?

We went over this yesterday, you can check back. There is a requirement in the game that there is at least Steel bro. Chop was the only claimed steel bro, so without a cc it’s mechanically unwise to chop him

cannot stress enough that i will never press a previous page button in this game or possibly ever.

so the assumption was that it was possible that chop was the only brotherhood of steel, and without a counterclaim by another brotherhood of steel person, yeah i see.

[Kylemii]

i'm interested in chop and alison's collective responses to all this

[Gavial]

marmot who do you think should claim first today?

People that I don't mind claiming after me: Epi, Grogu, Alison.


I'd prefer to go after everyone else.

Yes I think Alison definitely needs to claim!
There’s only one possible role they can be but yeah sure let’s see what they claim.

[Gavial]

Hold on. We don't need to mass claim.

Chop Chop mechanically lied unless Epignosis lied about who he targeted.

[VOTE: Chop Chop] aubergine

He especially targeted Epignosis and not me, for some reason.

How?
@MartinGG99

I targeted EPig and they didn’t ever visit slaver.

[Gavial]

This is my role.

Louis Salvatore

You're the don of the Salvatore crime family residing at the bar named for you in Reno. You don't have quite the manpower of the Mordinos or Bishops, but your people are armed with powerful laser weapons that more than equalize the playing field.

You're a 2-shot role thief. Your people maintain secretive contact with the Enclave for arms purchases, though you still view them as the enemy. Twice during the game during any night phase, you may select a role ability listed for any member of the Enclave faction other than Charles Curling, Frank Horrigan, or Quincy and use it as described. If an ability relates to an irrelevant mechanic such as a factional night kill, that aspect will be useless to you. This will not take shots away from the Enclave themselves.

I copied the Communication Officer's conditional neighborhizer on N1 and N2.

N1 I targeted Epignosis.

N2 I targeted Alison and got a BTSC for D3 only.

To me Alison was likely outed scum as imo she was very heavily hinting, like overly hinting, on her Eldridge claim. She functions on a "mechanically optimal" mindset imo so it was quite clear to me she was scum or slaver. As slaver she 100% would use the town-optimal play (imo). And since Rej died as New Reno...I had to double check. And since Vault City died...she's 100% slaver.


UNLESS EPIGNOSIS LIED ABOUT TARGETING ALISON

CHOP CHOP LIED ABOUT HER BEING NOT-SLAVER.

Dude I swear to god I believed Alison was Slaver but explain to me why my result said EPig never visited Slaver.
Unless they were RB’ed?
But even so I’m not entirely sure.
If EPig was RB’Ed then yeah good chance it’s Tony!Enclave and Alison!Slaver.
But IDK.

Quite honestly if I was scum wouldn’t the optimal play be to out Alison as the Slaver and say “I’m right!”
Since I have been calling them Slaver the entire game.
As wolf it is legit stupid for me to not to claim Alison is Slaver.

[Gavial]

You forgot to include the aspect that Chop Chop admitting to visiting a dead player and a player that was probably attacked.

Then that is all correct.

this new part confuses me

It's not really new.

Chop Chop admitted to messaging Sloonei the night Sloon died, and he recently admitted to faction-spying Epignosis.

Urist earlier said he saved Epignosis from last night's attack. Add two and two together, and its likely Chop Chop has been carrying the Enclave kills as of late.

Oh I’m serious when I said I messaged Sloon.
I wouldn’t waste an ability as either alignment.

[Gavial]

I mean I could see it Tbh.

Dr. Charles Curling

You're a brilliant biologist and virologist serving the great American ambition to return to the mainland. You have studied the forced evolutionary virus or F.E.V. retrieved from the destroyed Mariposa Military Base and learned to mutate its fundamental structure to Enclave needs. The mutant population of the mainland must be eradicated before America can return.

You are a 1-shot mass infector. Once during the game during any night phase, you may release a diluted test batch of your modified F.E.V. onto various mainland targets. All roles belonging to near-human mutant populations (all factions other than the Enclave, Vault City, and Arroyo) will have 15% chance of failure that night.

Additionally, you're a 2-shot antidote. Your familiarity with dangerous pathogens enables you to catch the warning signs early and prevent needless death. Twice during the game during any separate day phases, you may select a player. You will be informed whether or not that player is poisoned, and if they are they will be cured.

Tony could be this role and used their Mass Infector on the night EPig went to visit Alison.

[Gavial]

I wanna see a world where Tony’s not mafia but I honestly can’t see myself seeing it.

[Gavial]

I think it’s Tony/Jack/Someone Else

[Gavial]

Epignosis
Grogu
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Marmot
MartinGG99
Poison / Syn / Seanzie



I’d bet the game and 20 dollars on being town:
Daisy
Epi
Kyle
Martin
TSP
Urist

(Alison)

POE:
Grogu
LC
Jack
Marmot
Sean

So I’m POE and chop isn’t?

This is for tomorrow

I see you put Kyle higher then you.
Is that your missing link?

[Gavial]

If you and Epi are now masoned then one of your is BoS. If either of you had claimed that information yesterday then Chop would have died then

because there can only be a certain number of steel bros?

We went over this yesterday, you can check back. There is a requirement in the game that there is at least Steel bro. Chop was the only claimed steel bro, so without a cc it’s mechanically unwise to chop him

Yet you still voted me.
HUH.
Fake shit and a frame! GG I Lose!
After my flip if Town still doesn’t realize it’s Tony, I’m gonna lose my mind!

[MartinGG99]

First of all, TSP potentially could have not predicted who I was, much less that him releasing on that night, if he was curling, would lead to you being mech-confirmed very likely scum.

Secondly, I don't know what "failure" means but I imagine its effectively a role-block. Your action wouldn't have gotten any feedback. Yet you said Alison wasn't slaver, as if you got negative feedback.

Thirdly, Marmot has pointed out that you could have motive for not confirming her as slaver.

Fourthly, we don't have any proof that you even tried to make a 2nd message. Only that you visited them by your own admission.

[MartinGG99]

After my flip if Town still doesn’t realize it’s Tony, I’m gonna lose my mind!

Him ending it off with that, this feels notably different from LC's reaction to me on D5.

ChopChop goes all mechanical without emphasizing on how he has been acting is a !town him. Generally speaking a town, when alleged as scum, may angrily or assertively point out their own behavior as towny because *they know* they are town.

Whereas LC seemed to genuinely believe him putting a deciding vote on Mac on D4 was town, indicative of him, and asserted that repeatedly.

[Marmot]

Epi definitely visited Alison, I can confirm.

[Gavial]

First of all, TSP potentially could have not predicted who I was, much less that him releasing on that night, if he was curling, would lead to you being mech-confirmed very likely scum.

Secondly, I don't know what "failure" means but I imagine its effectively a role-block. Your action wouldn't have gotten any feedback. Yet you said Alison wasn't slaver, as if you got negative feedback.

Thirdly, Marmot has pointed out that you could have motive for not confirming her as slaver.

Fourthly, we don't have any proof that you even tried to make a 2nd message. Only that you visited them by your own admission.

1)I mean I think it’s a possibility TSP did do it.
2)How would my action not have gotten any feedback when I target the night after EPig targeted Alison not the same.
3)What’s that motive? @Marmot
4)Oh trust me even if I was scum I would have made that message, although if my scum team attacked the same target I messaged then I wouldn’t quite honestly understand their train of thought but I would get a little irritated by it.

[Marmot]

Actually, the incentive that Chop has to lie as mafia is that confirming Alison, even as Slaver, makes her completely unyeetable.

[Gavial]

He’s what I know.
If Alison is Slaver my result is wrong.
In that case Alison/Tony/Tony’s Buds did something to make my result invalid.
This also means via my yeet it should be obvious Tony is scum that was signalling to Alison.

[Gavial]

Actually, the incentive that Chop has to lie as mafia is that confirming Alison, even as Slaver, makes her completely unyeetable.

Not sure what you mean by this but either way Alison is Town or Slaver and priority is Enclave.

[Gavial]

Although unless my result lied to me, they are Town.

[Gavial]

Raul

You're a uniquely skilled mechanic and engineer entrusted with the maintenance and construction of Enclave vertibirds. These flying terrors are among the chief tactical advantages that allow Enclave technological power to remain unmatched in the region. You ain't gonna let nobody put a scratch on your girls.

You are a 3-shot tracker. Your birds are always in pristine operating condition, and that enables the Enclave to continue using them for countless reconnaissance sorties. Three times during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told who that player targeted that night if anyone.

Additionally, you're a 3-shot role blocker (1 limited). It's hard for the enemy to do their job when a chopper is raining lead on their position. Three times during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. That player's role will not function that night. One of these uses must be a limited block that cannot prevent fatal actions; you may choose which one.

I mean I suppose this is also probable.
@Epignosis
@MartinGG99

[Gavial]

But yeah @Alison if your actual Slaver here I hope you know Tony is Enclave that saved your ass.
Or more like framed me for an easy ML.

[Gavial]

If we can not Yeet me and go into LYLO that’d be great.
But I think Tony already won this for wolves even though I don’t think he did an entirely great job at it.

[Gavial]

If we can yeet Tony today trust me when I say there won’t be a LYLO Tomorrow.

[Urist]

Raul

You're a uniquely skilled mechanic and engineer entrusted with the maintenance and construction of Enclave vertibirds. These flying terrors are among the chief tactical advantages that allow Enclave technological power to remain unmatched in the region. You ain't gonna let nobody put a scratch on your girls.

You are a 3-shot tracker. Your birds are always in pristine operating condition, and that enables the Enclave to continue using them for countless reconnaissance sorties. Three times during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told who that player targeted that night if anyone.

Additionally, you're a 3-shot role blocker (1 limited). It's hard for the enemy to do their job when a chopper is raining lead on their position. Three times during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. That player's role will not function that night. One of these uses must be a limited block that cannot prevent fatal actions; you may choose which one.

I mean I suppose this is also probable.
@Epignosis
@MartinGG99

don't quote your role pm wtf

[Urist]

we're not in lylo today, right? like a 7 person enclave is not a thing here is it?

[TonyStarkPrime]

we're not in lylo today, right? like a 7 person enclave is not a thing here is it?

can't really be a thing.

[Urist]

well chopchop is talking about lylo tomorrow so i guess there are 5 enclave alive rn

[MartinGG99]

2)How would my action not have gotten any feedback when I target the night after EPig targeted Alison not the same.

It specifically says you would get negative feedback.

Separately, you are a 1-shot faction spy. You keep a close eye on the NCR Rangers and their conflict with the Slavers to aid in your own mission. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player has ever targeted the Slaver during any previous night phase.

Not "if that player has targeted/visited that slaver, you will learn of it" or something like that.