Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Alison]

I've caught enough mafia for one day. Be back tomorrow.

[Kylemii]

Kyle just floating around

He's always floating around.

I give you one chance to convince me you're not scum with Seanzie. Tell me who the other mafia is.

Isn't floating around what bees do? Is this a town read by Bo?

you're thinking of butterflies i think

[Kylemii]

alison disregarding my vote on her and just doing work is a read

[BoKnows]

Kyle just floating around

He's always floating around.

I give you one chance to convince me you're not scum with Seanzie. Tell me who the other mafia is.

Just check who's in the "Scum Chat", and those people that you're looking for. Only thing is that would make them your partners...

Very awkward response. You're scum with Seanzie.

[Kylemii]

i think a good one, but also chances are she's probably just the gambit demon again

[Alison]

alison disregarding my vote on her and just doing work is a read

It's pretty NAI for me.

What makes you think it's AI?

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

why it would it be a bad thing if LC was making up a reason to suspect Seanzie

Cuz' it would mean he doesn't have an actual reason & is creating false narratives?

So?

Here LC does all but admit that he didn't have an actual reason and was weaving a false narrative.

Kyle mentions "hey, town sometimes do this RD1 to generate conversation."

Ok, sure I can see that.

LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

Pocket request application approved.

But here we have Alison bring up writing style analysis as a legit way to make reads, and LC approves.


Here's the kicker, you can't have it both ways. Either you're making up narrative early on to stir up conversation, or you're legit analyzing writing to scum hunt. LC's just going with whichever way the wind blows, he doesn't have conviction in his approach.

[Long Con]

What? My posts to Alison were not about you.

[Kylemii]

alison disregarding my vote on her and just doing work is a read

It's pretty NAI for me.

What makes you think it's AI?

it's more the work that seems lightly fried AI rather than the ignoring itself.

[Esooa]

alison is town imo

[c4e5g3d5]

But no one is cool enough to say the phrase "calms my qualms" naturally, that is a constructed deliberate careful thing to say, and it shows that Sean is Mafia.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Interesting take. What's your take-away from his interactions with BK if Seanzie is Maf?

Bo is actually getting confused and overwhelmed by Seanzie's questioning in real time. Not w/w, sorry Alison.

If they are wolves together they are faking a fight to distance.

Why do you think this is not a faked fight?

For the reason in the post you quoted. Because Bo's reaction is tempered in a very hard-to-fake way, not overreacting and shrinking away too much, and no false bravado at the same time. Just gives a quiet "wtf" and moves on with his life.

Oh but mainly Bo is towny and the reason you have to call them w/w is pretty hardcore reachy.

[c4e5g3d5]

Did anyone wear green today?

Yes.

[c4e5g3d5]

LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

If you know them really well, sure. I don't get the impression that LC knows Seanzie very well, and uh... I suspect this writing style is normal for Seanzie, for reasons.

[c4e5g3d5]

alison is town imo

Seconded

[falcon45ca]

What? My posts to Alison were not about you.

I didn't say they were about me. They were about from the same thing tho, your read on writing styles, and you had 2 different approaches about the same thing

[Esooa]

Did anyone wear green today?

I am always green. Townies op

[Esooa]

I made the above post with the knowledge it was cringe btw

[falcon45ca]

alison disregarding my vote on her and just doing work is a read

It's pretty NAI for me.

What makes you think it's AI?

it's more the work that seems lightly fried AI rather than the ignoring itself.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "lightly fried AI", care to explain?

[Seanzie]

LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

If you know them really well, sure. I don't get the impression that LC knows Seanzie very well, and uh... I suspect this writing style is normal for Seanzie, for reasons.

I'd guess LC knows me better than you do, even though you are right, me writing something like "calm my qualms" is something NAI for me. What are your reasons for thinking so?

[Seanzie]

why it would it be a bad thing if LC was making up a reason to suspect Seanzie

Cuz' it would mean he doesn't have an actual reason & is creating false narratives?

So?

Here LC does all but admit that he didn't have an actual reason and was weaving a false narrative.

Kyle mentions "hey, town sometimes do this RD1 to generate conversation."

Ok, sure I can see that.

LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

Pocket request application approved.

But here we have Alison bring up writing style analysis as a legit way to make reads, and LC approves.


Here's the kicker, you can't have it both ways. Either you're making up narrative early on to stir up conversation, or you're legit analyzing writing to scum hunt. LC's just going with whichever way the wind blows, he doesn't have conviction in his approach.

I think this is a good point.

[Seanzie]

@Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

[Kylemii]

alison disregarding my vote on her and just doing work is a read

It's pretty NAI for me.

What makes you think it's AI?

it's more the work that seems lightly fried AI rather than the ignoring itself.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "lightly fried AI", care to explain?

means a little bit AI, as opposed to a lot of AI which would be deeply fried

[Esooa]

@Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

why are you asking this? Do you scum read BK?

[Seanzie]

@Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

why are you asking this? Do you scum read BK?

I'm asking this to try to figure out Alison. Yes, I do scum read BK.

[Esooa]

what is everyones read on fingersplits?

[Seanzie]

what is everyones read on fingersplits?

I know that they've posted, but I don't remember a thing they said, so that is a hardcore null.

[Ratrug]

Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

[Alison]

Is Kyle's first read of the game that Alison is town because she's putting in effort to solve? That's a scummy opener from Kyle.

[Alison]

For the reason in the post you quoted. Because Bo's reaction is tempered in a very hard-to-fake way, not overreacting and shrinking away too much, and no false bravado at the same time. Just gives a quiet "wtf" and moves on with his life.

Oh but mainly Bo is towny and the reason you have to call them w/w is pretty hardcore reachy.

What do you make of the post I called "awkward"?

[Alison]

@Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

Probably not.

[Alison]

Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

[Esooa]

Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

why wouldn't they play like that if I was their partner

[Seanzie]

Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

How is Fingersplints townie here?

[Kylemii]

Is Kyle's first read of the game that Alison is town because she's putting in effort to solve? That's a scummy opener from Kyle.

that was like my 4th or 5th read

[Long Con]

@Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

Alison has one 'L', I think this mention wouldn't hit her. She'll see it anyway of course. Just saying.

[Long Con]

Aaaaaaand now I see that she already responded several times.

[Alison]

why wouldn't they play like that if I was their partner

It is within BK's scum range to go for a distancing play out the gate as scum, but he wouldn't default to it unless he has an impetus to. If he has two active teammates posting in the thread, I tend to believe he'd try to blend in more and go for a UTR strategy while his teammates (Seanzie and Esooa in this case) set the pace of the game. Furthermore, he's never played with Seanzie before afaik, and if the third was someone like nook or falcon he'd definitely favor interacting and chilling with them over distancing from Seanzie.

So, if BK and Seanzie are scum together and pulling a distancing strat, it suggests that BK feels alienated from the third teammate, which in turn suggests an afk and/or someone strange to BK.

[Alison]

Is Kyle's first read of the game that Alison is town because she's putting in effort to solve? That's a scummy opener from Kyle.

that was like my 4th or 5th read

What are your first three?

[Seanzie]

@Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

Alison has one 'L', I think this mention wouldn't hit her. She'll see it anyway of course. Just saying.

Thanks for the heads up. I will keep that in mind. Sorry I misspelled your name @Alison.

[Alison]

Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

How is Fingersplints townie here?

Questions the LC meta for no reason and and feels comfortable in the thread.

[Long Con]

Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

How is Fingersplints townie here?

Questions the LC meta for no reason and and feels comfortable in the thread.

Not really no reason - splints and I have a long past that spans a decade of Mafia. Just recently she has been on hiatus.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

why it would it be a bad thing if LC was making up a reason to suspect Seanzie

Cuz' it would mean he doesn't have an actual reason & is creating false narratives?

So?

Here LC does all but admit that he didn't have an actual reason and was weaving a false narrative.

Kyle mentions "hey, town sometimes do this RD1 to generate conversation."

Ok, sure I can see that.

LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

Pocket request application approved.

But here we have Alison bring up writing style analysis as a legit way to make reads, and LC approves.


Here's the kicker, you can't have it both ways. Either you're making up narrative early on to stir up conversation, or you're legit analyzing writing to scum hunt. LC's just going with whichever way the wind blows, he doesn't have conviction in his approach.

Why can't you have it both ways? This doesn't seem contradictory to me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Aw man seanzie finally rolled mafia, rip

[Seanzie]

So I'mma throw out a scumread on Alison with a tinfoil that Alison/LC are teamed.

I don't have a lot of experience with Alison, but I saw her play a game as town where she very confidently put together a PoE of 4 people on D1 (there were 4 scum in the setup), and 3 out of the 4 were scum. She did this by quickly town-clearing many people, and then everyone that was left was scum. She bragged about having something like an 80% hit rate on her reads, and while I didn't really believe her at the time, the proof was there after the dust had settled and everyone's alignments were known.

Here, she is taking a very different approach, and one that I don't think at all is in the same style as how she approached that game. First, I don't see her trying to townclear people at all right now. Second, her whole scumhunt right now hinges on the idea that I am scum, which I know is false. She is making huge leaps from here (BK and I must be scum, therefore Ratrug is scum because BK wouldn't play this way if I was scum and Nook or Esooa were too, etc). If she is town, she might be lucking into a correct read on BK or Ratrug, but her reasoning is wrong, and thus in terms of actually catching scum for the right reasons, she is shooting 0% right now, while not townhunting at all. I'd guess with how good she actually is, this is scum-indicative.

The LC thing really is just tinfoil and I don't give this theory a lot of weight, so please take it for what it is worth. It is reaching, but it seems like if I am right about Alison, and Alison is acting this way, I have possibly been chosen as wolfbait, and so LC's somewhat controversial "calm my qualms" read might be indicative of a teammate of Alison helping to shade me. Esooa I suppose could also kind of fit this bill, but Esooa's suspicions on me felt reasonably genuine, whereas I cannot say the same for LC's.

[Seanzie]

Aw man seanzie finally rolled mafia, rip

I know, right? ugh!

[Long Con]

So I'mma throw out a scumread on Alison with a tinfoil that Alison/LC are teamed.

I don't have a lot of experience with Alison, but I saw her play a game as town where she very confidently put together a PoE of 4 people on D1 (there were 4 scum in the setup), and 3 out of the 4 were scum. She did this by quickly town-clearing many people, and then everyone that was left was scum. She bragged about having something like an 80% hit rate on her reads, and while I didn't really believe her at the time, the proof was there after the dust had settled and everyone's alignments were known.

Here, she is taking a very different approach, and one that I don't think at all is in the same style as how she approached that game. First, I don't see her trying to townclear people at all right now. Second, her whole scumhunt right now hinges on the idea that I am scum, which I know is false. She is making huge leaps from here (BK and I must be scum, therefore Ratrug is scum because BK wouldn't play this way if I was scum and Nook or Esooa were too, etc). If she is town, she might be lucking into a correct read on BK or Ratrug, but her reasoning is wrong, and thus in terms of actually catching scum for the right reasons, she is shooting 0% right now, while not townhunting at all. I'd guess with how good she actually is, this is scum-indicative.

The LC thing really is just tinfoil and I don't give this theory a lot of weight, so please take it for what it is worth. It is reaching, but it seems like if I am right about Alison, and Alison is acting this way, I have possibly been chosen as wolfbait, and so LC's somewhat controversial "calm my qualms" read might be indicative of a teammate of Alison helping to shade me. Esooa I suppose could also kind of fit this bill, but Esooa's suspicions on me felt reasonably genuine, whereas I cannot say the same for LC's.

I hope your qualms about me become becalmed.

[Alison]

If you're trying to argue that I'm scum because I'm playing differently from Spank! then you're completely outed. Also if you're desperate enough to try 1v1ing me on page 6 then it means I'm probably right about your team.

[Kylemii]

Is Kyle's first read of the game that Alison is town because she's putting in effort to solve? That's a scummy opener from Kyle.

that was like my 4th or 5th read

What are your first three?

in no particular order, falcon scum, long con town, falcon town, also esooa sus

[Kylemii]

also quin, but that was just throwing mud to get him to notice me, rather than for the regular reasons