Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Kylemii]

this is dumb as hell i think

[Kylemii]

anyone who's read the color coded posts, if you think this is less dumb than hell is hmu

[Esooa]

Seanzie, why do you think BK is scum?

[Seanzie]

You wanna know why I'm not bothering to respond to your points? Because I don't need to defend myself against you. You're scummy and everyone knows it. You're trying to bait me into a long drawn out anti town thunderdome, but what you don't understand is that I have no reason to bite. Right now you are butt naked pants on head neon sign flashing mafia, which means I don't have to listen to a word you say, just bury you. Even if you somehow convince the town that I am mafia and get me exed I know this player list well enough to know that you're most likely a goner afterwards, and 1 for 1 with enough evidence to expose your whole team afterwards is a perfectly fine trade in my book.

Would you bet your life on me being mafia? Because I am okay with that. Flip me today, if Alison is okay being flipped tomorrow after I turn up town.

this is not the way

If Alison has stopped defending herself, then she is mafia. If I need to flip to prove that to people, I am okay with it.

that is completely incorrect

Sure, that is true... maybe better would be to say "If Alison has stopped defending herself, then I have no way to re-evaluate my read on her, therefore I cannot progress past thinking she is mafia". She has huge glaring holes in what she has been saying, and I am happy to listen to what she has to say and re-evaluate, but mafia is a a team sport, and I can't re-evalulate her if she doesn't give me anything to re-evaluate.

[Alison]

It's not. Seanzie isn't a tunnelly enough player to suicide bomb on page 8. It's just bravado.

[Kylemii]

It's not. Seanzie isn't a tunnelly enough player to suicide bomb on page 8. It's just bravado.

is this in response to my post questioning these circumstances' dumbness with regards to their metric relation to the hypothetical dumbness of hell

[Kylemii]

@falcon45ca i forgot to say i love you i don't remember what you said but i remember making a mental note to say that cus you said something nice and i appreciated it thank u for coming to my ted talk

[Seanzie]

Seanzie, why do you think BK is scum?

BK didn't understand the post I originally made, which is understandable since BK wasn't in the first game. He then said he initially thought it was mudslinging. Maybe this was a throwaway thought by town, or maybe this was him as scum seeing a weird post and trying to be opportunistic, using it to subtly shade me. Looking back at the post, I really don't see any way it slings mud, and so I am still confused how Town!BK could have come to that thought. When pressed for how he came to that thought, he couldn't give anything, he dodged the question, and only a day later was he able to give any sort of explanation for why he mentioned mudslinging in the first place, and the explanation was not great imo. I'm not convinced he is scum, but this doesn't look good on his part.

[Seanzie]

It's not. Seanzie isn't a tunnelly enough player to suicide bomb on page 8. It's just bravado.

Uhh... Alison doesn't know me. She is making stuff up about me here. I actually get accused of tunneling a lot, and Nook can confirm that. In Spank!, the one game I did play with Alison, people actually were scumreading me at times because I wasn't tunneling anyone by EoD1.

[Esooa]

Seanzie, the best thing you can do rn is just look for wolves, and not bomb yourself into Alison

You are giving wolf!Alison a free pass to lynch you and have an excuse for it tomorrow

You put yourself in a better position by looking towny and making wolves look bad when they don't reval

[Esooa]

Also as someone who knows Alison reasonably well I disagree with your reasons to scum read her

[Seanzie]

anyone who's read the color coded posts, if you think this is less dumb than hell is hmu

Could you please try to read them? I am making very solid points against Alison, and she has thus far not addressed any of my points.

I can repost them as broken up quotes if it is going to help. I'd rather not go through that, but it is kind of important for people to read what I am saying.

[Esooa]

Seanzie, why do you think BK is scum?

BK didn't understand the post I originally made, which is understandable since BK wasn't in the first game. He then said he initially thought it was mudslinging. Maybe this was a throwaway thought by town, or maybe this was him as scum seeing a weird post and trying to be opportunistic, using it to subtly shade me. Looking back at the post, I really don't see any way it slings mud, and so I am still confused how Town!BK could have come to that thought. When pressed for how he came to that thought, he couldn't give anything, he dodged the question, and only a day later was he able to give any sort of explanation for why he mentioned mudslinging in the first place, and the explanation was not great imo. I'm not convinced he is scum, but this doesn't look good on his part.

You do realize that your post was weird out of context, right? Context BK doesn't have

I actually haven't read the back and forth much because I assumed it was just BK not having that context but I'll look

[Kylemii]

anyone who's read the color coded posts, if you think this is less dumb than hell is hmu

Could you please try to read them? I am making very solid points against Alison, and she has thus far not addressed any of my points.

I can repost them as broken up quotes if it is going to help. I'd rather not go through that, but it is kind of important for people to read what I am saying.

ok i will but only for you

[Seanzie]

Seanzie, the best thing you can do rn is just look for wolves, and not bomb yourself into Alison

You are giving wolf!Alison a free pass to lynch you and have an excuse for it tomorrow

You put yourself in a better position by looking towny and making wolves look bad when they don't reval

What excuse does she have?

Also, this is how I hunt for wolves. I am much better at telling alignments of people who suspect me and am really bad at telling when people are buddying me, so I walk out into the woods with a bunch of steaks strapped to my chest (make myself look vaguely scummy), and see who comes to try to eat me (town eventually sees through this, wolves don't though, because wolves can't tell what looks real scummy vs fake scummy, since they know everything they see from town is fake scummy).

[Kylemii]

ok that actually took like 10 seconds to do, i've been skipping posts for no reason

[Esooa]

[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

@BoKnows whats up

[Esooa]

Seanzie, the best thing you can do rn is just look for wolves, and not bomb yourself into Alison

You are giving wolf!Alison a free pass to lynch you and have an excuse for it tomorrow

You put yourself in a better position by looking towny and making wolves look bad when they don't reval

What excuse does she have?

Also, this is how I hunt for wolves. I am much better at telling alignments of people who suspect me and am really bad at telling when people are buddying me, so I walk out into the woods with a bunch of steaks strapped to my chest (make myself look vaguely scummy), and see who comes to try to eat me (town eventually sees through this, wolves don't though, because wolves can't tell what looks real scummy vs fake scummy, since they know everything they see from town is fake scummy).

vote Bo

[Seanzie]

Seanzie, why do you think BK is scum?

BK didn't understand the post I originally made, which is understandable since BK wasn't in the first game. He then said he initially thought it was mudslinging. Maybe this was a throwaway thought by town, or maybe this was him as scum seeing a weird post and trying to be opportunistic, using it to subtly shade me. Looking back at the post, I really don't see any way it slings mud, and so I am still confused how Town!BK could have come to that thought. When pressed for how he came to that thought, he couldn't give anything, he dodged the question, and only a day later was he able to give any sort of explanation for why he mentioned mudslinging in the first place, and the explanation was not great imo. I'm not convinced he is scum, but this doesn't look good on his part.

You do realize that your post was weird out of context, right? Context BK doesn't have

I actually haven't read the back and forth much because I assumed it was just BK not having that context but I'll look

Yes, I do. And I specifically didn't initially answer BK about the context to see what he would say about why he saw it as mudslinging. If he would have said something like "I just didn't understand it, and so kind of assumed it would have some scum motive behind it", then that would have satisfied me then and there probably, but he didn't do that. He mentioned mudslinging, but then looked uncomfortable when pressed about that.

[Esooa]

Kyle just floating around

He's always floating around.

I give you one chance to convince me you're not scum with Seanzie. Tell me who the other mafia is.

Just check who's in the "Scum Chat", and those people that you're looking for. Only thing is that would make them your partners...

Very awkward response. You're scum with Seanzie.

Can you explain your thought process behind the posts you made in this chain, Bo?

[Esooa]

How experienced is Fingersplint?

[Esooa]

@Ratrug can you give us a few reads

[Esooa]

@ts account post more lol

[Kylemii]

what is a gish gallop

[Esooa]

finger town

fingersplints has one post. why do you like fingersplints?

this post is good if Fingersplints is town

Otherwise not much to say about this ISO. Slightly towny and considering the ISO's I went through just barely that's enough to never go there today

[Kylemii]

isn't a gish someone who specializes in both swords and magic

[Seanzie]

@Alison why do you see FingerSplints as comfortable in the thread?

Can someone else help me press her on this? Call me crazy, but I'm not seeing this, and she won't explain it.

[Esooa]

I read the first half of c4's ISO cause that was enough to call him town so gj c4 ig

[Esooa]

@Alison why do you see FingerSplints as comfortable in the thread?

Can someone else help me press her on this? Call me crazy, but I'm not seeing this, and she won't explain it.

I agree with the read

[Esooa]

that finger is comfortable. I thought they were new, though. If they've played an okay amount of mafia their posts are generally uninspiring though still very lightly >rand v

[Seanzie]

@Alison why do you see FingerSplints as comfortable in the thread?

Can someone else help me press her on this? Call me crazy, but I'm not seeing this, and she won't explain it.

I agree with the read

I'd like to ask you why, but I'd prefer to see Alison's "why" before yours.

[Seanzie]

that finger is comfortable. I thought they were new, though. If they've played an okay amount of mafia their posts are generally uninspiring though still very lightly >rand v

They apparently know LC from some indeterminate amount of time ago. I don't think they are new.

[Esooa]

Nanook has zero posts which are towny and zero reads which are good. Probably worth killing if we don't want to just yeet into a no poster today

[Esooa]

Took an awful lot of attempts to show your bee pic.


Is there a reason you are trying so hard?

if i don't then who will

That's actually a really good answer. You get a pass for now

this is so weird

[Seanzie]

It's not. Seanzie isn't a tunnelly enough player to suicide bomb on page 8. It's just bravado.

Uhh... Alison doesn't know me. She is making stuff up about me here. I actually get accused of tunneling a lot, and Nook can confirm that. In Spank!, the one game I did play with Alison, people actually were scumreading me at times because I wasn't tunneling anyone by EoD1.

I should say that I am working pretty hard at removing this from my meta, but I would be lying if I said I've purged myself from inadvertently tunneling completely.

[Kylemii]

Took an awful lot of attempts to show your bee pic.


Is there a reason you are trying so hard?

if i don't then who will

That's actually a really good answer. You get a pass for now

this is so weird

agreed actually, i sort of wonder what could have qualified as a 'wrong answer' to that

[Esooa]

The only good thing in Falcons ISO is the generally brash/inquisitive nature he carries with him as town still being present. But I dislike how he has given so few reads, and his read on Seanzie feels tmi-esque, as I'm not sure why he never really commented on liking/disliking anything about the generally most scum read player in the game, yet attacked some of Seanzies pushers (LC)

[Esooa]

@Seanzie what's your Falcon read

[Esooa]

I don't think LC/Falcon are w/w, and I like LC more generally. This isn't saying there's a wolf in these 2, just explaining a not w/w I have

@Long Con can you explain your Seanzie read

[Esooa]

after reading ISO's of close to every player and appointing myself town leader I have decided these are the acceptable wagons for the time being:

BoKnows
Falcon
Ratrun
TS account

Nanook if you're feeling spicy

@Seanzie now move your vote

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie what's your Falcon read

I thought he looked very abrasive at the start. I thought he asked a few good questions, but also seemed awkward about it, and remember initially thinking about if he was scum. I don't remember anything from him after I became focused on BK though. I'd have to ISO him or reread to say anything else.

Also, its my birthday!

[Esooa]

@Kylemii if you can vote someone in the above, that'd be cool

[Esooa]

There's only 6 votes on the poll right now. This game has 14 players. I expect every player without a vote to vote as soon as they next come into thread

[Seanzie]

after reading ISO's of close to every player and appointing myself town leader I have decided these are the acceptable wagons for the time being:

BoKnows
Falcon
Ratrun
TS account

Nanook if you're feeling spicy

@Seanzie now move your vote

I don't respond to peer pressure well. My vote is almost-assuredly not at it's final resting place though. If I see a reason to move it, I will.

[Esooa]

@BoKnows
@c4e5g3d5
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@MartinGG99
@Quin
@Ratrug
@ts account

I am mandating that you vote someone when you see this

Most preferably within

"BoKnows
Falcon
Ratrun
TS account

Nanook if you're feeling spicy"

[Esooa]

after reading ISO's of close to every player and appointing myself town leader I have decided these are the acceptable wagons for the time being:

BoKnows
Falcon
Ratrun
TS account

Nanook if you're feeling spicy

@Seanzie now move your vote

I don't respond to peer pressure well. My vote is almost-assuredly not at it's final resting place though. If I see a reason to move it, I will.

if you don't ISO people and find one I will legitimately get you killed today

[Esooa]

we have 16 hours. There's multiple slankers and barely any votes. Not placing a vote right now to set up and give room for wagons and movement for EoD is just not good, at all

[Seanzie]

after reading ISO's of close to every player and appointing myself town leader I have decided these are the acceptable wagons for the time being:

BoKnows
Falcon
Ratrun
TS account

Nanook if you're feeling spicy

@Seanzie now move your vote

I don't respond to peer pressure well. My vote is almost-assuredly not at it's final resting place though. If I see a reason to move it, I will.

if you don't ISO people and find one I will legitimately get you killed today

You do you. I usually don't ISO people D1 unless I have to.

[Kylemii]

seanzie is right that many of alison's reads are reliant on her read on him, which is an unusual amount of confidence for of a day 1 read. if alison is mafia and seanzie town, alison benefits from this by putting in work that ends up not mattering nor pushing the game forward, needing to be redone.

seanzie's point's about alison possibly lucking into a correct scumread on the people she's connected him to due to her read on him, seems inconsistent with the idea that seanzie also suspects alison

[Esooa]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine