Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Quin]

Martin and Mikey (ts account) are probably town.

i would like to know more about ts. to me, he's done the bare minimum.

[Kylemii]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

nanook quin and ratrug why?

[Alison]

He should definitely feel threatened by it, every time he feels threatened he spews 4 people town from their reactions to it.

I find it funny that you call me antitown then talk about how much what I am doing is helping town.

Well other people are revealing their alignments through their responses to your posts. Your posts themselves suck. I suggest you do some real solving instead of just posting in all caps about how Alison is scum because she didn't answer a dumb question from page 1.

[fingersplints]

I don’t like the self vote either. I mean if you are town, then you know that is the only bad vote you could cast. So if they are town it’s really not helpful

[Esooa]

Alison what's your read on me

[c4e5g3d5]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

nanook quin and ratrug why?

Couldn't remember anything good about them

[Quin]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

i'll bite. why me?

[Ratrug]

Ts posts’ look genuine too. Tahts 3 town reads. I feel like I’m getting closer to scum already

[Alison]

He should definitely feel threatened by it, every time he feels threatened he spews 4 people town from their reactions to it.

like, i'm hoping your strategy is more of a "lets push seanzie to his most genuine point" thing with this whole confirmation bias thing but if you're not then this whole thing sucks and i want to go home

I like having it both ways. If he's town, he might spew himself as such from his response to my refusal to engage. If he's scum, he would also probably spew himself as such, and at the same I deny him the ability to defend himself and generally make the game unplayable for him.

All while generating much more discussion and AI behavior as well as avoiding a thunderdome tht burns down the thread. Seems to me like a pretty good strategy.

[fingersplints]

I love how confident you guys are on some of your reads. I’m so distrusting. I’m over here probably leaning town on a couple people, some slight suspicion, but a lot of question marks still.

[Kylemii]

@Seanzie what's your Falcon read

I thought he looked very abrasive at the start. I thought he asked a few good questions, but also seemed awkward about it, and remember initially thinking about if he was scum. I don't remember anything from him after I became focused on BK though. I'd have to ISO him or reread to say anything else.

Also, its my birthday!

...

i don't want to lynch someone on their birthday.

you have yeeted me on my birthday

[Seanzie]

He should definitely feel threatened by it, every time he feels threatened he spews 4 people town from their reactions to it.

I find it funny that you call me antitown then talk about how much what I am doing is helping town.

Well other people are revealing their alignments through their responses to your posts. Your posts themselves suck. I suggest you do some real solving instead of just posting in all caps about how Alison is scum because she didn't answer a dumb question from page 1.

If my posts generate good reactions from people, then that is a win.

I literally told you my strategy, strap a bunch of meat to my chest, walk out into the woods, and let people react. You want to criticize me for it, but you seem to be finding it a very effective strategy.

Also, you didn't answer like 15 dumb questions.

[Quin]

I love you quin

i have a girlfriend

[Alison]

Alison what's your read on me

Townlean

You haven't fallen into any traps and you're pushing a POE I largely agree with. None of which is out of your scum range but it's town indicative for sure.

[Quin]

Seanzie SRing Alison for not doing enough while Kyle TRs her for posting is hilarious

i mean i bet part of it is that the posts i like of hers are specifically targetting seanzie

which posts are these and why?

i was referring to the posts immediately following my vote for alison in which she immediately started popping off

isn't a gish someone who specializes in both swords and magic

hey kyle, the fog of love of my life, give me some content i can understand

i will never do that <3

seanzie is right that many of alison's reads are reliant on her read on him, which is an unusual amount of confidence for of a day 1 read. if alison is mafia and seanzie town, alison benefits from this by putting in work that ends up not mattering nor pushing the game forward, needing to be redone.

seanzie's point's about alison possibly lucking into a correct scumread on the people she's connected him to due to her read on him, seems inconsistent with the idea that seanzie also suspects alison

i've seen town (myself included) throw out entire team reads this early. i'm sure in all our experience playing together you've seen it too.

do you think alison doing the same is scum indicative in this game?

i don't think it's necessarily alignment indicative at all, i was just trying to see it from seanzie's point of view because they asked me to. wbu?

i don't. i think seanzie is in a tunnel and alison is being petulant.

[MartinGG99]

Please elaborate on your Falcon read.

He doesn't seem to have similar reads as I do, such as town-reading BK as he has questioned me on that, and he seemingly scum-reads LC.

Also they haven't voted. Additionally, the LC reasons I've mentioned earlier.

Why am I a town lean?

This D1 thing pings me as being slightly reminiscent of Overtime Mafia, though I could be misremembering as its been awhile.

Additionally, nothing by you has pinged me as scummy. I also kinda feel like scum you would not get into a tunnel d1 very swiftly without first interacting with others, but that may be a part of how I generalize scums.

alison doesn't strike me as the one in the tunnel.

Not anymore, apparently.

But I thought it was quite the stretch to suggest that Seanzie was w/w with BK so early on; while I don't have extensive experience it certainly felt akin to rushed conclusions found within past tunnels of some sort or degree that I've seen.

I also town-read BK, so hearing him being called out-right as scum with Seanzie was odd to me.

[Alison]

If my posts generate good reactions from people, then that is a win.

I literally told you my strategy, strap a bunch of meat to my chest, walk out into the woods, and let people react. You want to criticize me for it, but you seem to be finding it a very effective strategy.

Also, you didn't answer like 15 dumb questions.

No I'm not criticizing you for that strategy I'm criticizing you for knowing nothing about mafia and calling other people anti town for acting in pro town ways. You can walk home with the notion that your strategy was great and you really helped the town if you want, nobody's stopping you. We're just here to play the game.

[Kylemii]

Yeah I don't care about talking to people who I'm 1v1ing. I don't bother pressing them about their reads or trying to figure out their thought process because guess what, the mod is going to reveal their alignment for me one way or the other.

If the other people in the thread have any concerns about my fingersplints read they can express it themselves.

wait is this really how you play? you just decide something is true and then wait to find out if you're right after they're dead?

Good afternoon. I currently read Seanzie as town. If that is true then c4, fingersplints, ts account and Quin all look good. I am currently looking at the following options: BK, falcon, Ratrug.

BK makes sense because he has wolf equity regardless of Sean's alignment and has generally uninspiring posting.

falcon makes sense because he is obvtown perhaps 80% of the time when he is town, and he is currently not obvtown. Furthermore, the wagon on him is afaict extremely pure.

Ratrug makes sense because every post he makes is trash and he only comes in to defend himself and doesn't see to care a single bit about solving the game.

After laying these reasons out I am inclined to desire falcon/Ratrug competing wagons.

self evaluation disproven within seconds

[Alison]

I have a good reason to townread nook! I just realized.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I love how confident you guys are on some of your reads. I’m so distrusting. I’m over here probably leaning town on a couple people, some slight suspicion, but a lot of question marks still.

Thats the beauty of hubris

[Kylemii]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

nanook quin and ratrug why?

Couldn't remember anything good about them

what do u remember that's good about me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I love you quin

i have a girlfriend

So do I

[Quin]

@Seanzie what's your Falcon read

I thought he looked very abrasive at the start. I thought he asked a few good questions, but also seemed awkward about it, and remember initially thinking about if he was scum. I don't remember anything from him after I became focused on BK though. I'd have to ISO him or reread to say anything else.

Also, its my birthday!

...

i don't want to lynch someone on their birthday.

you have yeeted me on my birthday

i'm a changed man.

[Alison]

Ts posts’ look genuine too. Tahts 3 town reads. I feel like I’m getting closer to scum already

I don't believe you.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Guys please be nice

Good vibes only plz

[Quin]

He should definitely feel threatened by it, every time he feels threatened he spews 4 people town from their reactions to it.

like, i'm hoping your strategy is more of a "lets push seanzie to his most genuine point" thing with this whole confirmation bias thing but if you're not then this whole thing sucks and i want to go home

I like having it both ways. If he's town, he might spew himself as such from his response to my refusal to engage. If he's scum, he would also probably spew himself as such, and at the same I deny him the ability to defend himself and generally make the game unplayable for him.

All while generating much more discussion and AI behavior as well as avoiding a thunderdome tht burns down the thread. Seems to me like a pretty good strategy.

replace unplayable with unenjoyable. i've had this done to me. i wouldn't wish it on anybody.

[Kylemii]

i was gonna vote quin as a semi-joke but decided against it midway through, but now i don't actually remember where my vote even was before
so [VOTE: quin] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have a good reason to townread nook! I just realized.

I'm on the edge kf my seat

[Quin]

I love how confident you guys are on some of your reads. I’m so distrusting. I’m over here probably leaning town on a couple people, some slight suspicion, but a lot of question marks still.

my mumma always told me "fake it till u make it"

actually she didn't, but that's still good advice anyway.

will you elaborate on those reads?

[Alison]

Let's think about falcon suddenly voting BK and declaring him a confident scumread. It's a slightly "bussy" (I love that word) interaction if I'm being honest, but I also think town falcon makes that read/vote.

[c4e5g3d5]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

i'll bite. why me?

See the post before yours

[Quin]

I have a good reason to townread nook! I just realized.

that's nice.

[Quin]

I love you quin

i have a girlfriend

So do I

i wont tell if u wont

[Alison]

I have a good reason to townread nook! I just realized.

I'm on the edge kf my seat

It was the point about Discord and forum being different. Felt like a simple and straightforward way to dismantle the thunderdome when I think you'd be more inclined to just sheep me if I'm heavily scumreading a villa.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I love you quin

i have a girlfriend

So do I

i wont tell if u wont

My lips are sealed

[Quin]

i was gonna vote quin as a semi-joke but decided against it midway through, but now i don't actually remember where my vote even was before
so [VOTE: quin] aubergine

[VOTE:

huh?] aubergine

[Ratrug]

[VOTE: Ratrug] aubergine

ISO has 6 posts. Naked bee claim, beetlejuice, self defense + shading me, "I haven't read anything" + self vote, self defense, either a NAI meta question or an attempt at casting shade.

No townie posts. No attempt at solving.

Lmao what. I legit made 2 town reads (actually 3 now) You’re entire read was based off an assumption and now you’re just dismissing it as meta, and saying I’m casting shade. Like, no I’m gonna call out that garbage when I see it. Esk wanted people to vote, and since I haven’t scum read anybody, I’ll vote myself. When I flip town where are you going to go?

[Esooa]

Let's think about falcon suddenly voting BK and declaring him a confident scumread. It's a slightly "bussy" (I love that word) interaction if I'm being honest, but I also think town falcon makes that read/vote.

bussy

[c4e5g3d5]

I love how confident you guys are on some of your reads. I’m so distrusting. I’m over here probably leaning town on a couple people, some slight suspicion, but a lot of question marks still.

It's easy, watch:

fingersplints is town

[Quin]

yeah, fuck that guy.

[c4e5g3d5]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

nanook quin and ratrug why?

Couldn't remember anything good about them

what do u remember that's good about me

In my worst Nook impression, vibes
Also something Alison said that I sheeped.

[Ratrug]

I don’t like the self vote either. I mean if you are town, then you know that is the only bad vote you could cast. So if they are town it’s really not helpful

Sorry, just didn’t have any scum reads and you guys wanted me to vote so hence my self vote. I’m also a very self-defensive player. Can’t help it, just what I do.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Ratrug] aubergine

ISO has 6 posts. Naked bee claim, beetlejuice, self defense + shading me, "I haven't read anything" + self vote, self defense, either a NAI meta question or an attempt at casting shade.

No townie posts. No attempt at solving.

Lmao what. I legit made 2 town reads (actually 3 now) You’re entire read was based off an assumption and now you’re just dismissing it as meta, and saying I’m casting shade. Like, no I’m gonna call out that garbage when I see it. Esk wanted people to vote, and since I haven’t scum read anybody, I’ll vote myself. When I flip town where are you going to go?

Who's mafia? Accurate answers only.

[Ratrug]

i was gonna vote quin as a semi-joke but decided against it midway through, but now i don't actually remember where my vote even was before
so [VOTE: quin] aubergine

[VOTE:

What?] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

yeah, fuck that guy.

Already eyeing other people smh

[Quin]

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

[fingersplints]

I love how confident you guys are on some of your reads. I’m so distrusting. I’m over here probably leaning town on a couple people, some slight suspicion, but a lot of question marks still.

my mumma always told me "fake it till u make it"

actually she didn't, but that's still good advice anyway.

will you elaborate on those reads?

Just what I’ve mentioned that I think the seanzie/Alison is town/town and I am mistrusting of the ts vote on the Falcon wagon. There is obviously more mafia than my suspicion so if I had to guess another right now I don’t like ratrug’s low content/self vote.
I’m hoping the results of this lynch will help to make me feel either way about some of those ?

[MartinGG99]

Let's think about falcon suddenly voting BK and declaring him a confident scumread. It's a slightly "bussy" (I love that word) interaction if I'm being honest, but I also think town falcon makes that read/vote.

Any world its wolf falcon doing it to town BK?

Feels like out of all the things he could solve or reason with, he decided to use a meta/scum-range read and idk if Falcon would go with a day 1 bus here. Like, if it were W/W bussing in general, then there would be more established reasoning or words that connotate a negative alignment here imo as they would know the person they're pushing is 100% scum.

BK probably scum. I feel somewhat guilty for getting him lynched as TP recently for the same things, but he's def in his scum meta.


[VOTE: VOTE BK] aubergine

For Finger, if you don't know yet: Scum-range means whether someone is capable of doing or acting something when they have a bad alignment of some sort. Usually Mafia.

[Kylemii]

i was gonna vote quin as a semi-joke but decided against it midway through, but now i don't actually remember where my vote even was before
so [VOTE: quin] aubergine

[VOTE:

huh?] aubergine

[VOTE: i was gonna vote quin as a semi-joke but decided against it midway through, but now i don't actually remember where my vote even was before
so [VOTE: quin] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE:

What?] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE:

pranked B)] aubergine] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal