Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Marmot]

I do

[sprityo]

To clarify, I'm not stating who I copped yet.

then im asking to claim last

[Marmot]

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[sprityo]

im just trying to verify something is all

[sprityo]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

[Marmot]

im just trying to verify something is all

Trying to verify what? I get if you don't want to say, but you haven't really been here at all, I don't have much reason to trust your motivation.

[sprityo]

im just trying to verify something is all

Trying to verify what? I get if you don't want to say, but you haven't really been here at all, I don't have much reason to trust your motivation.

verify my night results

[TonyStarkPrime]

Marmot, my guess is there’s a standstill going on here. I, and I’m guessing Sprityo similarly, don’t want you to make up any potential role cop results once other people claim. You have two results, out the one of the person higher in the claim order, let them verify you, and then the other one can be used to verify someone else’s claim

Unless you checked LC or someone who already claimed in which case this is all bunk I guess

[TonyStarkPrime]

And if sprityo has a track claim or something then idk

[TonyStarkPrime]

I stopped trying to figure this out

[Marmot]

I've shared as much as I intend to at this time.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Well, I can’t do anything about that

[Marmot]

Marmot, my guess is there’s a standstill going on here. I, and I’m guessing Sprityo similarly, don’t want you to make up any potential role cop results once other people claim. You have two results, out the one of the person higher in the claim order, let them verify you, and then the other one can be used to verify someone else’s claim

Unless you checked LC or someone who already claimed in which case this is all bunk I guess

Do you think I would make something up?

[Marmot]

@sprityo I did not cop you last night, I will say that much.

[MartinGG99]

Do you not know my role Martin?

No I don't.

If you softed it then I probably missed it as I haven't been looking for softs recently for anyone.

[sprityo]

@sprityo I did not cop you last night, I will say that much.

that will suffice

[MartinGG99]

Well, actually, I vaguely remember something.

I guess what I mean is that I want full claims just not hiding behind "oh I'll say something after X". It's just getting annoying to hear for me by this point.

[sprityo]

Do you not know my role Martin?

No I don't.

If you softed it then I probably missed it as I haven't been looking for softs recently for anyone.

i counted 3 rolecop roles minus inventor

[Marmot]

Do you not know my role Martin?

No I don't.

If you softed it then I probably missed it as I haven't been looking for softs recently for anyone.

I'm AHS-9

2x imited role-cop (which is why I'm waiting to here other claims) and 2x watcher.

[MartinGG99]

I'm not stating who I copped, because then said person could claim a role that would match what I saw.

Does this prevent people from claiming alignments?

[MartinGG99]

We could just claim alignments before even outing results probably.

If the issue is with limited role checks.

[Marmot]

We could just claim alignments before even outing results probably.

If the issue is with limited role checks.

I learn what type of role people have [eg: protective, disruptive, investigative, deceptive, fatal], so alignment claim might help a little, but not much.

[MartinGG99]

We could just claim alignments before even outing results probably.

If the issue is with limited role checks.

I learn what type of role people have [eg: protective, disruptive, investigative, deceptive, fatal], so alignment claim might help a little, but not much.

Well it helps somewhat, potentially.

If they claim NCR, and you got a "Multiple" check, then they can't possibly NCR anyways given the dead NCR.

If you push them into claiming alignment before revealing check, they have to claim a viable alignment for themselves. Or what they think is a viable alignment claim.

[Marmot]

We could just claim alignments before even outing results probably.

If the issue is with limited role checks.

I learn what type of role people have [eg: protective, disruptive, investigative, deceptive, fatal], so alignment claim might help a little, but not much.

Well it helps somewhat, potentially.

If they claim NCR, and you got a "Multiple" check, then they can't possibly NCR anyways given the dead NCR.

If you push them into claiming alignment before revealing check, they have to claim a viable alignment for themselves. Or what they think is a viable alignment claim.

That's fair, let's start with alignments then. Do you know who hasn't claimed alignment yet?

[Marmot]

Also, if LC is being truthful and there's no other Wastelander, and there are 2 of every other town faction, that leaves 3 Enclave left by my math. That said, I don't think we should rely on the fact that there's 2 of every town faction. It would make sense from a balancing perspective, but, there's also reason to believe that it's been somewhat randomized.

[MartinGG99]

Urist technically hasn't claimed alignment but he basically has to be BoS.

Grogu has never said anything about his alignment iirc, maybe something about his role or mech info on d2 wrt Falcon & Alison.

Sprityo/Space Daisy I think is the same.

Jack just claimed role + alignment, and so did you.

TSP hasn't claimed either, but that's possibly the only relevant thing about his claim is alignment. Or maybe not. I have no clue about TSP other than I strongly read him as town.

[MartinGG99]

Also, if LC is being truthful and there's no other Wastelander, and there are 2 of every other town faction, that leaves 3 Enclave left by my math. That said, I don't think we should rely on the fact that there's 2 of every town faction. It would make sense from a balancing perspective, but, there's also reason to believe that it's been somewhat randomized.

I don't think I've ever said that there's always two towns per town faction. Just that's the norm it seems.

I have a small suspicion that Seanzie is indeed 100% the only redding to ever exist, and I have a suspicion as to which faction would hold 3 players with my own reasoning. But I don't wish to give help to scum in choosing their claims if they're planning to be part of a 3-player faction.

[Marmot]

Also, if LC is being truthful and there's no other Wastelander, and there are 2 of every other town faction, that leaves 3 Enclave left by my math. That said, I don't think we should rely on the fact that there's 2 of every town faction. It would make sense from a balancing perspective, but, there's also reason to believe that it's been somewhat randomized.

I don't think I've ever said that there's always two towns per town faction. Just that's the norm it seems.

I have a small suspicion that Seanzie is indeed 100% the only redding to ever exist, and I have a suspicion as to which faction would hold 3 players with my own reasoning. But I don't wish to give help to scum in choosing their claims if they're planning to be part of a 3-player faction.

Oh, I wasn't talking to you specifically, I was just thinking out loud.

[MartinGG99]

It may have been randomized, but I think its been randomized across pre-determined "groups" of towns and maybe fine-tuned afterwards for roles.

[MartinGG99]

It may have been randomized, but I think its been randomized across pre-determined "groups" of towns and maybe fine-tuned afterwards for roles.

As far as determining how many players a faction gets. Other than Wastelanders and Enclave obviously.

[Seanzie]

@TonyStarkPrime @Urist @sprityo please claim alignment ASAP.

@Grogu please hardclaim your role ASAP.

[MartinGG99]

TSP doesn't need to claim before others, and I don't see why he should.

Other than that I don't mind claiming alignments then discussing based on that and outting night results. Hopefully before EoD.

[MartinGG99]

Also, if LC is being truthful and there's no other Wastelander, and there are 2 of every other town faction, that leaves 3 Enclave left by my math. That said, I don't think we should rely on the fact that there's 2 of every town faction. It would make sense from a balancing perspective, but, there's also reason to believe that it's been somewhat randomized.

Communications Officer (Probably would've found Alison as quick as I did and give Chop the correct info; it doesn't exist prob)
Dr. Charles Curling (Doesn't seem like any poison mechanics are at play in game)
Dr. Schreber
Frank Horrigan (Guaranteed)
President Dick Richardson (Dead)
Quincy
Raul
Sergeant Arch Dornan (No one has lost ability to change vote it would seem)
Vice President Daniel Bird (Dead)

So basically the last 3 enclave, if there are 3, are

1 of Frank Horrigan
+
2 of
Dr. Schreber
Quincy
Raul

[Marmot]

It would be comically even if there were 5 each of Wastelander/Enclave, then 2 of everything else (except of course Slaver and JJJ).

[MartinGG99]

So basically the last 3 enclave, if there are 3, are

1 of Frank Horrigan
+
2 of
Dr. Schreber
Quincy
Raul

So basically, for limited role-cops:

1-2 [Multiple] roles (Frank + Raul)
+
1 of Dr's [Inventor] or Quincy's [Protective]

Are the true role-types of the enclave that remain I think.

I don't know what "Inventor" counts as. It might be [disruptive] given its random aspect.

[MartinGG99]

If there are 3, again, of course.

[sprityo]

fine, I'm BoS

[Grogu]

I ask you marmot to get daisy slot to claim first.
I have a result and know who they targeted but that’s it. I want to hear her claim and result for each night more importantly last night.

[MartinGG99]

Interesting. So we got Jack + Sprityo + Urist (potentially) + Kylemii as BoS.

There's one scum in there Imo. Maaaybe 2 but I doubt.

I'm eager to hear @Grogu's claim.

[sprityo]

I ask you marmot to get daisy slot to claim first.
I have a result and know who they targeted but that’s it. I want to hear her claim and result for each night more importantly last night.

so you have a tracker then?

[MartinGG99]

I ask you marmot to get daisy slot to claim first.
I have a result and know who they targeted but that’s it. I want to hear her claim and result for each night more importantly last night.

Daisy got replaced by Sprityo.

They claimed Brotherhood of Steel as an alignment.

[Grogu]

Interesting. So we got Jack + Sprityo + Urist (potentially) + Kylemii as BoS.

There's one scum in there Imo. Maaaybe 2 but I doubt.

I'm eager to hear @Grogu's claim.

I think I know who it is. I need Daisy/sprit targets

[Kylemii]

hey real quick sidebar is there a strong reason to believe martin is town and what was it again

[Grogu]

I ask you marmot to get daisy slot to claim first.
I have a result and know who they targeted but that’s it. I want to hear her claim and result for each night more importantly last night.

Daisy got replaced by Sprityo.

They claimed Brotherhood of Steel as an alignment.

I don’t care about that.

[Grogu]

hey real quick sidebar is there a strong reason to believe martin is town and what was it again

He had info on slaver and chop. Unless he sacrificed chop to clear himself which is possible. He seems towny though

[sprityo]

grogu buddy i've been pretty transparent today on who i could be, just give it some thought and all your questions are answered. However I wont tell you any other night actions for the time being

[MartinGG99]

hey real quick sidebar is there a strong reason to believe martin is town and what was it again

idk

your mason buddy sure seemed to believe I was town for very strong reasons

[MartinGG99]

On a more serious answer, I hard-claimed with a role that I breadcrumbed from the start of the game. I used that role to confirm Alison as slaver and confirm that Chop Chop was lying.

The only way I'm enclave is if you think I'm the Communications Officer, and that's ignoring most of my play.

[Kylemii]

hm ok

[TonyStarkPrime]

Marmot, my guess is there’s a standstill going on here. I, and I’m guessing Sprityo similarly, don’t want you to make up any potential role cop results once other people claim. You have two results, out the one of the person higher in the claim order, let them verify you, and then the other one can be used to verify someone else’s claim

Unless you checked LC or someone who already claimed in which case this is all bunk I guess

Do you think I would make something up?

...yes??