Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Alison]

it seems like we could also just use the vig shot as a sort of co-yeet unless there's a timelimit on it

I don't like co-yeet since it doesn't allow time to adjust from the new information from the flip. It is better to have adequate time between the shot and EoD so that we can react to the shot today.

I think the shot target only flips at EOD, along with the exe target.

[Alison]

I don’t think ratrug was “so obviously townie” but at the same time I do think it’s suspicious how many votes they got and last minute too. I wouldn’t be surprised if mafia voted there, but to go for someone “so obviously townie” as you say, there would have had to been a reason. Who were the others in danger? Was it quin and Seanzie? Was the ratrug push a save

I don't really care about the reasons it's just an open wolfing read to vote him there as Martin imo

I think Martin is town. It's really not out of his scumrange to do that, and the other aspects of his play are pretty textbook Martin town to me.

[Alison]

Alison not ending on Falcon day 1 is still just so bad tbh

why? by EOD1 ratrug only had 2 votes including me, he was never getting exed. if I'm scum with falcon the bus is safe since it doesn't affect anything; obviously you can't use it to clear me, but I'm not sure how me not having my vote on falcon at EOD is suspicious. I had falcon as my #2 suspect and wanted ratrug/falcon wagons, and both nightkills heavily townread me; I don't see why this is a big deal for you.

[Alison]

Yeah fair its just not helpful for me

I have associative reads on why Kyle is not W/W with falcon.

[Alison]

Either it hits mafia or it confirms her and pseudo confirms martin which is two clears for the price of one

Yeah I'd probably shoot her atp

I'm ok with this, just give me time to get my legacy in order. I'm pretty sure I want Quin dead, still trying to sort out Seanzie and you (leaning town on him atm but unclear, because he veers between townie mindset and heavily scumsiding; as for you you've been like POE since yesterday and nothing has changed that)

[Alison]

Right now I'm thinking two mafia in [Nanook, Seanzie, Quin] with Esooa as the most likely deepwolf out of Falcon's wagon (and you should probably kill her if the POE is dead, you're at F3 and Esooa is alive).

[Alison]

I could see a Nook/Quin team trying to push the shot off Quin I guess. But that team probably can't win the game unless you guys seriously throw hard so I'm not massively worried about it as long as one of our two kills today is on Nook/Quin.

[fingersplints]

Either it hits mafia or it confirms her and pseudo confirms martin which is two clears for the price of one

Yeah I'd probably shoot her atp

I'm ok with this, just give me time to get my legacy in order. I'm pretty sure I want Quin dead, still trying to sort out Seanzie and you (leaning town on him atm but unclear, because he veers between townie mindset and heavily scumsiding; as for you you've been like POE since yesterday and nothing has changed that)

Why is everyone ok with my shooting them? If you are town, I die, so I really don’t understand the “let me get my legacy in order” posts.

[fingersplints]

So I’m thinking if the mafia chose me that means I’m likely wrong about a couple things lol not to figure out what.

I suspect mafia chose you because you're the most obvious town. There's too much WIFOM to just choose the person with the worse reads, plus they'll likely out and ask the town to vote on their shot choice anyway.

The group is saying all different people and at the end of the day I have to make the decision. That is where my personal suspicions would come into play.

[Alison]

Either it hits mafia or it confirms her and pseudo confirms martin which is two clears for the price of one

Yeah I'd probably shoot her atp

I'm ok with this, just give me time to get my legacy in order. I'm pretty sure I want Quin dead, still trying to sort out Seanzie and you (leaning town on him atm but unclear, because he veers between townie mindset and heavily scumsiding; as for you you've been like POE since yesterday and nothing has changed that)

Why is everyone ok with my shooting them? If you are town, I die, so I really don’t understand the “let me get my legacy in order” posts.

There is no difference. My understanding is that to prevent host availability variance the flips happen at EOD. So if you shoot me, you'll die, I become outed town, and I get NKed immediately.

[Alison]

So I’m thinking if the mafia chose me that means I’m likely wrong about a couple things lol not to figure out what.

I suspect mafia chose you because you're the most obvious town. There's too much WIFOM to just choose the person with the worse reads, plus they'll likely out and ask the town to vote on their shot choice anyway.

The group is saying all different people and at the end of the day I have to make the decision. That is where my personal suspicions would come into play.

I think most people are saying either Quin (obvious POE shot) or me (get rid of possible deepwolf, follow her reads if she turns out to be town).

[fingersplints]

Well as I’ve posted you as my most trusted, it would be nonsensical to shoot you, because if I am right I die, then as you said you will get nightkilled. I’m really not going to entertain that option.

[Alison]

If you don't like that then shoot Quin.

[fingersplints]

Well that’s probably where we are at

[fingersplints]

Hosts aren’t around now it doesn’t seem, and I’m going to sleep so I guess the shooting will happen tomorrow. That’ll give @MartinGG99 some time to chime in.
Probably just assume discussion should center around a lynch target who is not quin at this point

[Seanzie]

So I’m thinking if the mafia chose me that means I’m likely wrong about a couple things lol not to figure out what.

I suspect mafia chose you because you're the most obvious town. There's too much WIFOM to just choose the person with the worse reads, plus they'll likely out and ask the town to vote on their shot choice anyway.

The group is saying all different people and at the end of the day I have to make the decision. That is where my personal suspicions would come into play.

I think most people are saying either Quin (obvious POE shot) or me (get rid of possible deepwolf, follow her reads if she turns out to be town).

I really don't like that Alison offered up two names like this, one of which is her while she is pretty clearly a target that Fingersplints is unlikely to shoot. Also, while I wouldn't put Alison as a top choice in town's collective PoE, she is in my PoE, and I think she is in enough other's that describing Quin as "obvious PoE" and herself as "possible deepwolf" is not necessarily representative of town's thoughts.

[Quin]

@ts account no one is cleared in my books because they say they wouldn’t do something. I get that other people have said it’s unlikely too, but you aren’t confirmed by all means.
And you can say “we can worry about this later.” But I might not have that option.
Part of me thinks I should shoot Quin as that is the biggest suspect, but the other part of me thinks I should shoot someone else while you all lynch Quin today anyway. I could get a mafia or worst case scenario clear someone not with some suspicion. Thinking nanook? Dunno

or maybe we can not kill quin at all. i'd like that a lot.

i get that you want to be diplomatic or whatever but this road is only going to net you a dead civilian. the only question is whether it's you via shooting me or me via lynch.

gth i'm immune, whos on your shooting shortlist?

[Quin]

Quin doing literally nothing for the entirety of day 2 is deserving of death, that's just my opinion on it. They didn't even try to figure this stuff out. Martin's vote was really bad but I believe the thing Nanook said so we probably go Martin only if Alison is wolf? Though I want her to refresh her read on him

you can actually kiss my ass

[Kylemii]

quin have you been playing a lot lately or is this your first game in a while like me?

[Kylemii]

quin have you been playing a lot lately or is this your first game in a while like me?

[Kylemii]

quin have you been playing a lot lately or is this your first game in a while like me?

[Kylemii]

quin have you been playing a lot lately or is this your first game in a while like me?

[Quin]

Alison not ending on Falcon day 1 is still just so bad tbh

This might not be the most orthodox, but Alison is the most read town player. You'd think mafia would of killed her by now, unless...

yeah you can't just drop an ellipses in a mafia game and not explain yourself. go.

[Kylemii]

quin have you been playing a lot lately or is this your first game in a while like me?

[Kylemii]

oh jesus

[fingersplints]

@ts account no one is cleared in my books because they say they wouldn’t do something. I get that other people have said it’s unlikely too, but you aren’t confirmed by all means.
And you can say “we can worry about this later.” But I might not have that option.
Part of me thinks I should shoot Quin as that is the biggest suspect, but the other part of me thinks I should shoot someone else while you all lynch Quin today anyway. I could get a mafia or worst case scenario clear someone not with some suspicion. Thinking nanook? Dunno

or maybe we can not kill quin at all. i'd like that a lot.

i get that you want to be diplomatic or whatever but this road is only going to net you a dead civilian. the only question is whether it's you via shooting me or me via lynch.

gth i'm immune, whos on your shooting shortlist?

I mentioned I was previously considering someone on my “middle suspicion” list such as nanook.

[Quin]

quin have you been playing a lot lately or is this your first game in a while like me?

there may have been a game last year but i can't really remember. other than that i've barely logged in.

[Quin]

oh jesus

is the site bullying you too cos my posts are taking like a minute to go through

[fingersplints]

oh jesus

Just keep asking til you get an answer

[Quin]

in other news, [VOTE: esooa] aubergine is still bad and all she's done since realising this is attempt to discredit or misrepresent me in just about every post.

[Seanzie]

oh jesus

is the site bullying you too cos my posts are taking like a minute to go through

I've also been having recent sitewide issues. Seeing 404 and 405 error messages, the new post updates not working properly, and a lot of times refreshing malfunctions (not even a 404 error, but I often end up refreshing and it loads a blank page).

[Esooa]

in other news, [VOTE: esooa] aubergine is still bad and all she's done since realising this is attempt to discredit or misrepresent me in just about every post.

you've yet to talk about a single non-esooa player in 2 days (including this one)

this is how you hope to get town read?

[Quin]

in other news, [VOTE: esooa] aubergine is still bad and all she's done since realising this is attempt to discredit or misrepresent me in just about every post.

you've yet to talk about a single non-esooa player in 2 days (including this one)

this is how you hope to get town read?

why are you lying right now?

[Alison]

@ts account no one is cleared in my books because they say they wouldn’t do something. I get that other people have said it’s unlikely too, but you aren’t confirmed by all means.
And you can say “we can worry about this later.” But I might not have that option.
Part of me thinks I should shoot Quin as that is the biggest suspect, but the other part of me thinks I should shoot someone else while you all lynch Quin today anyway. I could get a mafia or worst case scenario clear someone not with some suspicion. Thinking nanook? Dunno

or maybe we can not kill quin at all. i'd like that a lot.

i get that you want to be diplomatic or whatever but this road is only going to net you a dead civilian. the only question is whether it's you via shooting me or me via lynch.

gth i'm immune, whos on your shooting shortlist?

If the gun holder blasts a townie, the gun backfires and kills them instead.

[Alison]

So I’m thinking if the mafia chose me that means I’m likely wrong about a couple things lol not to figure out what.

I suspect mafia chose you because you're the most obvious town. There's too much WIFOM to just choose the person with the worse reads, plus they'll likely out and ask the town to vote on their shot choice anyway.

The group is saying all different people and at the end of the day I have to make the decision. That is where my personal suspicions would come into play.

I think most people are saying either Quin (obvious POE shot) or me (get rid of possible deepwolf, follow her reads if she turns out to be town).

I really don't like that Alison offered up two names like this, one of which is her while she is pretty clearly a target that Fingersplints is unlikely to shoot. Also, while I wouldn't put Alison as a top choice in town's collective PoE, she is in my PoE, and I think she is in enough other's that describing Quin as "obvious PoE" and herself as "possible deepwolf" is not necessarily representative of town's thoughts.

Your POE doesn't matter at all to be honest because you're within town's collective POE.

[Kylemii]

oh jesus

is the site bullying you too cos my posts are taking like a minute to go through

i kept clicking the button thinking it hadn't posted yet cus i was still on the editing page but apparently i was wrong

[Kylemii]

quin have you been playing a lot lately or is this your first game in a while like me?

there may have been a game last year but i can't really remember. other than that i've barely logged in.

hm ok.

how are you feeling?

i am sensing sort of a general frustration at being suspected early for reasons. is that accurate? do you think it's alignment indicative?

[Kylemii]

"but Kyle AtE is never alignment indicative, and it's easily faked"

no this is just something you've been brainwashed by newer changes in meta into thinking is true. 'caught for the wrong reason' is also a fake concept. thank you for listening to my TEDtalk have a good day

[Esooa]

So I’m thinking if the mafia chose me that means I’m likely wrong about a couple things lol not to figure out what.

I suspect mafia chose you because you're the most obvious town. There's too much WIFOM to just choose the person with the worse reads, plus they'll likely out and ask the town to vote on their shot choice anyway.

The group is saying all different people and at the end of the day I have to make the decision. That is where my personal suspicions would come into play.

I think most people are saying either Quin (obvious POE shot) or me (get rid of possible deepwolf, follow her reads if she turns out to be town).

I really don't like that Alison offered up two names like this, one of which is her while she is pretty clearly a target that Fingersplints is unlikely to shoot. Also, while I wouldn't put Alison as a top choice in town's collective PoE, she is in my PoE, and I think she is in enough other's that describing Quin as "obvious PoE" and herself as "possible deepwolf" is not necessarily representative of town's thoughts.

Your POE doesn't matter at all to be honest because you're within town's collective POE.

I don't think he's scum

[Seanzie]

Esooa, is it your birthday? if so, happy birthday!!

[Esooa]

Esooa, is it your birthday? if so, happy birthday!!

mhm, and ty

[Quin]

@ts account no one is cleared in my books because they say they wouldn’t do something. I get that other people have said it’s unlikely too, but you aren’t confirmed by all means.
And you can say “we can worry about this later.” But I might not have that option.
Part of me thinks I should shoot Quin as that is the biggest suspect, but the other part of me thinks I should shoot someone else while you all lynch Quin today anyway. I could get a mafia or worst case scenario clear someone not with some suspicion. Thinking nanook? Dunno

or maybe we can not kill quin at all. i'd like that a lot.

i get that you want to be diplomatic or whatever but this road is only going to net you a dead civilian. the only question is whether it's you via shooting me or me via lynch.

gth i'm immune, whos on your shooting shortlist?

If the gun holder blasts a townie, the gun backfires and kills them instead.

yes.

[Quin]

quin have you been playing a lot lately or is this your first game in a while like me?

there may have been a game last year but i can't really remember. other than that i've barely logged in.

hm ok.

how are you feeling?

i am sensing sort of a general frustration at being suspected early for reasons. is that accurate? do you think it's alignment indicative?

i mean... not really? if the things people say about me are things that make sense then i'm doing my best to engage with it. if you're sensing frustration, it's because of misleading or untruthful posts that people are allowing to sit. if i were an observer of what you're talking about then hopefully i'd view it as town indicative.

[Seanzie]

Esooa, is it your birthday? if so, happy birthday!!

mhm, and ty

Nice! If you've ever played any Metal Gear Solid games, you should load up an old save.

[Quin]

Esooa, is it your birthday? if so, happy birthday!!

mhm, and ty

happy birthday!











anyway

[Alison]

I don't think he's scum

I don't either, but his point was that I shouldn't be acting like I'm not in the POE just because he has me in his, which doesn't make much sense to me.

[Seanzie]

I don't think he's scum

I don't either, but his point was that I shouldn't be acting like I'm not in the POE just because he has me in his, which doesn't make much sense to me.

That wasn't my point at all. You set up a false 50/50 specifically with Quin. I'm not sure what to make of that yet, but I found it very curious that you only named one name other than yourself in that post.

[Alison]

I don't think he's scum

I don't either, but his point was that I shouldn't be acting like I'm not in the POE just because he has me in his, which doesn't make much sense to me.

That wasn't my point at all. You set up a false 50/50 specifically with Quin. I'm not sure what to make of that yet, but I found it very curious that you only named one name other than yourself in that post.

Yeah it's almost like I scumread Quin and want them dead or something

[fingersplints]

Ok well I was hoping for more input. If it goes badly, don’t just focus on Alison vs Seanzie. Look at some of those people not being discussed a lot. BoK and Kyle are worth a second look

[Esooa]

Kyle maybe but bk is lock town to me