Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[BoKnows]

Ok so martin mikey esooa clear

Kyle soft clear

Fingers obviously clear

Alison probably fine

So seanzie lc bo me is probably a winning poe yeah?

Nice

Why do you have these people cleared?

Martin cause Alison says hes town mikey and esooa off votes and pushes

Esooa tends much more towards gard defending or distancing partners ime, don't think she's normally a hell busser, mikey i don't think tries to solo run this game pretty sure he's just town

That does not even come close to clearing them in my mind.

Ok

It does for me so

You listed Kyle, Alison, Seanzie as clears and you explained why you cleared other players...

Also one of your reasons to clear Martin is because Alison has him as town??? You didn't explain why you cleared Alison, but you're using her to explain clearing another player?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Well there's only one mafia left so Alison and Martin can't be teamed

So yeah either Alison is town with a very very likely to be correct read on martin or she's mafia giving a correct read, either way martin is town

I haven't cleared Kyle Alison or sean so I'm not entirely clear what their relevance is

The closest is I said Alison is probably fine, I'm not clearing her but I think she's more likely to be town than some others

[ts account]

nanook looks bad off of D2 votes and eods alone
their content is fine to me so I'm happy to continue town reading them and looking elsewhere for a while

sure quin was mafia but being caught for the wrong reasons is still bullcrap reasoning

[Kylemii]

quin was mafia

[Kylemii]

never again will I be swayed by emotions

[Kylemii]

saying this, I will continue to be swayed by emotions indefinitely

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Quin is very unlikely partnered with esooa or Alison imo

Esooa isn't news but I'm increasingly thinking Alison is break glass in case of emergency only

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nanook looks bad off of D2 votes and eods alone
their content is fine to me so I'm happy to continue town reading them and looking elsewhere for a while

sure quin was mafia but being caught for the wrong reasons is still bullcrap reasoning

Yeah my votes have mostly been trash this game

[Esooa]

Quin is very unlikely partnered with esooa or Alison imo

Esooa isn't news but I'm increasingly thinking Alison is break glass in case of emergency only

probably true though I've not read quins iso yet

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Quin is very unlikely partnered with esooa or Alison imo

Esooa isn't news but I'm increasingly thinking Alison is break glass in case of emergency only

probably true though I've not read quins iso yet

He attacked her a couple times, given he chose to protect falcon i think it makes them less likely partners

Its not an ironclad read obviously but good enough to vault her over the rest of the poe imo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

And this probably makes bo town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I've successfully narrowed my poe to Kyle and seanzie

Now plz kill me so I can go be told how wrong I am in dead chat

[MartinGG99]

Okay, Quin was mafia.

I presume Esooa is more tunneled on me.

I'm willing to move

But you're gonna have to try to convince me who of Alison/Nanook/Kyle is mafia if not you

You don't really give me much choice. Probably Kyle, but let's both be honest that's the more lazy option because I haven't learned how to town-read kyle for non-mechanical reasons.

I don't think the others are scum.

do you think anyone else is possibly mafia? I don't

Technically everyone not me or finger is possible mafia fmpov

But as far as "yeah I guess that's possible" goes, I don't really see much other than Kyle.

For Nanook I just fail to think of wolves easily doing that particular reason especially with the player context of LC.

Alison probably has a significant scum-range but I really don't see anything scummy from them; any case I could imagine building on them would be more or less circumstantial or weak evidence rather anything bad wrt their play so far.

Everyone out of that group that you gave I basically town-read. I probably need to review Seanzie if its not Kyle.

After that? I got no ideas on who, specifically, to delete and would have to re-evaluate depending on who's alive and who's not.

[MartinGG99]

For Nanook I just fail to think of wolves easily seeping for that particular reason early on especially with the player context of LC.

Ebwop.

[MartinGG99]

Sheeping*

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

I've successfully narrowed my poe to Kyle and seanzie

Now plz kill me so I can go be told how wrong I am in dead chat

You just said Bo is probably in this post:

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

And this probably makes bo town

Why do you think he's town in this post when you're, by placing Seanzie as your next wolf suspect (as that's where your vote is currently), stating that Quin was talking about at minimum both of his wolf buds in the same post post?

[MartinGG99]

To be clear, I think Bo is town for other reasons, but I am curious as to why is it that post that arguably could be talking about both of his teammates at one point or another

would be a post that spews Bo as town

[Esooa]

For Nanook I just fail to think of wolves easily seeping for that particular reason early on especially with the player context of LC.

Ebwop.

that's hardly AI for nanook

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I've successfully narrowed my poe to Kyle and seanzie

Now plz kill me so I can go be told how wrong I am in dead chat

You just said Bo is probably in this post:

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

And this probably makes bo town

Why do you think he's town in this post when you're, by placing Seanzie as your next wolf suspect (as that's where your vote is currently), stating that Quin was talking about at minimum both of his wolf buds in the same post post?

Your question confuses me

I think that posts makes bo town cause of the way he's defending falcon/dismissing the votes against him and voting on bo instead. It reads to me as a genuine attempt to kill bo, so I think bo is probably town

I don't really follow the other part of your question, possibly due to the migraine thats trying to push its way through. Clarify for me?

[MartinGG99]

I was told that ("That's hardly AI for X") in a recent game about someone and I got that read right while I was town

As long as I don't have prior experience saying its not really AI and I think its AI then I'm going to read into it whichever way I wish.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean she's not wrong ill sheep people as either alignment

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Keep townreading me tho I like it

[MartinGG99]

I've successfully narrowed my poe to Kyle and seanzie

Now plz kill me so I can go be told how wrong I am in dead chat

You just said Bo is probably in this post:

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

And this probably makes bo town

Why do you think he's town in this post when you're, by placing Seanzie as your next wolf suspect (as that's where your vote is currently), stating that Quin was talking about at minimum both of his wolf buds in the same post post?

Your question confuses me

I think that posts makes bo town cause of the way he's defending falcon/dismissing the votes against him and voting on bo instead. It reads to me as a genuine attempt to kill bo, so I think bo is probably town

I don't really follow the other part of your question, possibly due to the migraine thats trying to push its way through. Clarify for me?

Well you answered my question.

I gave it an over-articulated wording.

I could write a paragraph or two what I meant but it doesn't really matter much; you answered it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok that works for me

I don't really get what you were angling for with the sean stuff but

If you're asking if I think its possible quin mentioned both his partners in the same post

I don't see why not

[MartinGG99]

I mean she's not wrong ill sheep people as either alignment

Oh well if one's reffering to sheeping in general I would agree its probably NAI.

However I tend to think the reasons generally given for sheeping tend to differ for alignments and people's mindset.

[MartinGG99]

Ok that works for me

I don't really get what you were angling for with the sean stuff but

If you're asking if I think its possible quin mentioned both his partners in the same post

I don't see why not

Well I was asking why you thought Bo was town

because your belief that Sean was scum would imply that you found Bo was town

from a post that they could be deliberately posturing themselves wrt to both of their mafia teammates

but that doesn't matter now as you've given a reasonable answer

[Esooa]

I'm going to vote seanzie

[Alison]

As a note for future games I think dayvigs should be flipped at EOD (which I thought was the case this game, actually), because like if the dayvig submits their shot at 12pm and EOD is at 6pm, then the host resolving the shot at 12pm on time is very different from if the host is out for lunch and comes back at 4pm and resolves the shot then.

[Alison]

I'm going to pore through Quin interactions when I get back, I'm busy with dinner stuff so only had time to check in and see the flip.

[Esooa]

As a note for future games I think dayvigs should be flipped at EOD (which I thought was the case this game, actually), because like if the dayvig submits their shot at 12pm and EOD is at 6pm, then the host resolving the shot at 12pm on time is very different from if the host is out for lunch and comes back at 4pm and resolves the shot then.

disagree

[Alison]

Why so?

[Esooa]

Why so?

I don't think it matters if it's not processed immediately

it doesn't need to be strict imo

just play around it with when you decide to shoot

pretty easy

otherwise it's basically the same as a night vig with light upside

boring

[Alison]

like imo he was obviously towny and it makes literally no sense to vote him there

Idk why you're calling a player who self-voted as obviously towny

because that self-vote fits what you just said here to their perspective

so this really shouldn't be a reason for you to push me on that as somehow a scum-tell and I really hope you got less flimsy reasons than this

I thought Ratrug was townie at EOD yesterday and said as much

Anyway Esooa was pushing the Falcon wagon and was also on Quin. She has some good results to her name. I'd still kill her at F3 because of the chance she's going deep, but I'm not especially concerned about Esooa right now.

[fingersplints]

As a note for future games I think dayvigs should be flipped at EOD (which I thought was the case this game, actually), because like if the dayvig submits their shot at 12pm and EOD is at 6pm, then the host resolving the shot at 12pm on time is very different from if the host is out for lunch and comes back at 4pm and resolves the shot then.

I don’t want to get in trouble from speaking too much about bts host stuff but this wasn’t an issue. They did a great job. I knew it would go through right away. They were very available, accommodating, and quick in their responses. Maybe this kind of set up wouldn’t work in every game, especially in one with only one host so less availability, but there were no problems in this one.

[Kylemii]

suspecting me is cringe

[Alison]

Okay, Quin was mafia.

I presume Esooa is more tunneled on me.

I'm willing to move

But you're gonna have to try to convince me who of Alison/Nanook/Kyle is mafia if not you

You don't really give me much choice. Probably Kyle, but let's both be honest that's the more lazy option because I haven't learned how to town-read kyle for non-mechanical reasons.

I don't think the others are scum.

Why is nook town

[Esooa]

@Alison what do you think of seanzie

[Alison]

@Alison what do you think of seanzie

Upper POE.

He's had a couple of towntells but objectively speaking he's scumsided this game (pushed BK D1, pushed me D2, heavily shaded me telling fingersplints to shoot Quin D3).

[Alison]

nook is clearing so many people (and is so insistent about clearing them in the face of opposition, eg. when BK objected and he dismissed BK's concerns) that it's hard to see what his path to victory is if he's mafia.

I pivoted to Ratrug being town at EOD2 because of that and it's worked in a couple of other games I've played recently so I have decent confidence in it. So currently feeling ok about nook.

[Alison]

Kyle had a really good looking interaction with falcon to be honest. And because Quin was caught off falcon spew we know that falcon wasn't putting in a lot of effort to antispew his buddies.

[Alison]

I'm going to pull a Jess and start doing trustfalls soon

[Alison]

Trustfall

Spoiler: show

BoKnows - all the mafia wanted him dead and tried to kill him to save themselves
Esooa - voted mafia d1, voted mafia d2, has been generally pretty hostile towards flipped mafia the whole game
Kylemii - good interaction with falcon that seems hard to fake
MartinGG99 - pushed falcon d1, has been textbook town martin otherwise
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - is putting himself into a pretty tight box if he's mafia
Seanzie - townie EOD1, going on about how I'm just a lucksack if I'm correct about ratrug/BK seems like he genuinely doesn't have TMI
ts account - murdered falcon d1 with a strong meta of not bussing, was in strong favor of shooting quin d3

Distrustfall

Spoiler: show

BoKnows - has done literally nothing and voted ratrug to save quin
Esooa - is positioned to go deep and is probably the most likely of the d1 falcon voters to be bussing
Kylemii - has done literally nothing, tried to soft-defend quin near the end
MartinGG99 - bad push on ratrug
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - hard defended falcon d1, tried to get alison over quin shot d3
Seanzie - scumsided all three days (pushed BK/alison d1, voted ratrug d2 to save quin, tried to discredit the quin shot d3)
ts account - has done literally nothing and voted ratrug to save quin

[Alison]

for fingersplints' benefit - trustfall is when you list the reasons to townread each player in the game, and distrustfall is the opposite. the idea is that it helps you organize your reads on people and notice gaps, like "hey, I don't actually have any reason to townread this person, they should be on my radar".

[Alison]

My Martin read is at like 70% confidence, in Grasslands and a couple of other games it was 95-100%. This isn't necessarily a bad sign, I was at 80% confidence he was town from the posts of his I skimmed during GOC, but it just gives context for how much I trust my read on Martin.

Hard clear, never vote: BK, ts account
Never vote before F3, probably vote during F3: Esooa
Probably town because I say so: Martin
Probably town for objective reasons: Kylemii
POE: Seanzie, NANOOK

I intended to put Nook and Seanzie into my upper POEs because they do have some good reasons for townreading them but everyone else is just townier so here we are.

[Alison]

My most uncertain clear is on Kylemii because it relies on thinking that falcon wouldn't think to fake that interaction with him. But falcon spew on LC, Quin and Ratrug have all been shown to be accurate, so I am trusting falcon spew for now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

9 alive one mafia

So we've got four kills

Poe of me Kyle sean is fine by me

Then whomever is alive at f3 can figure it out if it gets that far

[Alison]

You and Sean first before Kyle, but beyond that yeah I'm happy with that POE.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't super care what order it goes in

[Kylemii]

if I'm teammates with quin the conversation where he guilts me for voting him without a reason doesn't happen, or at the very least it wouldn't have worked