Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[MartinGG99]

martin is clearly the last wolf posturing for f3

Is this meant to be a serious read or a joke?

It's a meme afaik.

[MartinGG99]

If there's one more wolf it's likely in TSP/Marmot.

Kinda want to lean Marmot, it seems odd to me that Jack kept TSP at his lower reads before and after the dramatic LC read change, and that Chop has been "tunneling" him all the time. Feels a bit more far-fetched to say enclave TSP and Chop headbutted all game but only to have other enclave members take a more or less solid stance on the issue of who gets chopped there.

But its just as odd that Grogu and Marmot collided somewhat with their claims but I dunno if that is more likely to happen if Grogu was not paying much attention to the game or planning in the Enclave btsc.

[MartinGG99]

In any case though I think there's decent evidence that suggests (other than Jack intentionally delaying the game cuz wincon) everyone else is town imo.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The long one is a copy pasta from Epi in MTG mafia. Martin’s still probably clearly town imo

[TonyStarkPrime]

My gut says poison still more likely than Marmot but I haven’t really dug in. Hopefully I’ll have time tomorrow after noon. For me, the poison thing relies on one read made by Chop early day 2 and I just do not think it stands up. Subjecting Chop to reason may be a fools errand.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime, who have you given inventions to?

Nanook and Sloonei. I’m like 70 percent sure Nanook used his on Made, I made this clear at the time. As far as Sloonei goes, he died.

What nights did you give them out? Did they hint at all that they recieved something?

n1 and n2. I don't think so? there's decent mech evidence that nanook got his, since I can't really tell how he would have gotten a result on Made otherwise. But he did have an info role, so maybe. I sorta think I was blocked n2, sloonei seems more likely to have said something about it.

[Seanzie]

@TonyStarkPrime, who have you given inventions to?

Nanook and Sloonei. I’m like 70 percent sure Nanook used his on Made, I made this clear at the time. As far as Sloonei goes, he died.

What nights did you give them out? Did they hint at all that they recieved something?

n1 and n2. I don't think so? there's decent mech evidence that nanook got his, since I can't really tell how he would have gotten a result on Made otherwise. But he did have an info role, so maybe. I sorta think I was blocked n2, sloonei seems more likely to have said something about it.

What result did Nook get? Did he claim something specific or just say that he had raisins to think Made was bad?

[TonyStarkPrime]

He just claimed raisins. I thought/think maybe limited role cop?

[TonyStarkPrime]

No clear way a track/watch would do it

[Marmot]

Hi I'm back

[Marmot]

If there's one more wolf it's likely in TSP/Marmot.

Kinda want to lean Marmot, it seems odd to me that Jack kept TSP at his lower reads before and after the dramatic LC read change, and that Chop has been "tunneling" him all the time. Feels a bit more far-fetched to say enclave TSP and Chop headbutted all game but only to have other enclave members take a more or less solid stance on the issue of who gets chopped there.

But its just as odd that Grogu and Marmot collided somewhat with their claims but I dunno if that is more likely to happen if Grogu was not paying much attention to the game or planning in the Enclave btsc.

When did we collide with our claims?

[Marmot]

I’m the last wolf so don’t bother searching my post history kthx.

Oh never mind, this game is locked up.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

[Marmot]

Also, why am I still alive?

[MartinGG99]

Also, why am I still alive?

Why would you die over a confirmed vigilante who shot Frank Horrigan, the only possible enclave vig?

[MartinGG99]

Also, why would you die over me?

Fairly sure me outing the Slaver + Chop Chop has gotten me a death sentence at some point in the future

[MartinGG99]

(And also convincing Sprityo to shoot Grogu because Grogu could have only been mechanically Joshua if he were not your role, Marmot.)

[Urist]

Guess i should [VOTE: jack] aubergine before i forget

[TonyStarkPrime]

i better die tonight to justify having done no work today

[TonyStarkPrime]

actually I think that's the oppoisite of how that works

[TonyStarkPrime]

marmot thinking he's lock town is probably? a good sign but it doesn't have a basis in reality, right

[TonyStarkPrime]

same goes for martin but martin's actually lock town

[Urist]

The only real reason I have for suspecting marmot is that sloonei was killed
but if marmot is mafia that means that poisynzie is town and therefore killed kza and that means sloonei was prob killed by VC and nanook was shot by enclave so it means marmot cannot be suspicious for the sloonei death
if that makes any sense at all

[TonyStarkPrime]

like the only mech reason to think marmot is town is that he claimed what grogu was clearly claiming (which is at least arguably more scummy because it means likely wolf fake claim) and because we had like 12 posts of confusion on the role cop thing

[TonyStarkPrime]

The only real reason I have for suspecting marmot is that sloonei was killed
but if marmot is mafia that means that poisynzie is town and therefore killed kza and that means sloonei was prob killed by VC and nanook was shot by enclave so it means marmot cannot be suspicious for the sloonei death
if that makes any sense at all

sloonei killed by enclave, nanook shot by vc?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm sorta positive that Chop legitimately spewed Sloonei killed by enclave

[TonyStarkPrime]

but I'm not going to go back and read his iso and find out if that was a smart thought or not

[Urist]

The only real reason I have for suspecting marmot is that sloonei was killed
but if marmot is mafia that means that poisynzie is town and therefore killed kza and that means sloonei was prob killed by VC and nanook was shot by enclave so it means marmot cannot be suspicious for the sloonei death
if that makes any sense at all

sloonei killed by enclave, nanook shot by vc?

why would vc shoot nanook? nook outed an enclave member.
ofc it's also possible that mac just didn't shoot, or that they both shot sloonei.
you're actually probably right that chop spewed it.

[MartinGG99]

but I'm not going to go back and read his iso and find out if that was a smart thought or not

Nah I think he spewed it. No reason to claim he messengered Sloonei; he could've done that for the next enclave kill or something if sloon wasn't killed by Enclave.

[TonyStarkPrime]

burning take: he could have messaged alison or something and then had his fake message prepped for sloonei because he knew sloonei was going to die

[TonyStarkPrime]

or mac actually

[MartinGG99]

burning take: he could have messaged alison or something and then had his fake message prepped for sloonei because he knew sloonei was going to die

I think its possible but whether its plausible is a different question entirely

Right now I don't think so; I'm not feeling it. That would imply there's a possibility where they shoot Alison once and have Urist claim to be the savior of Epignosis.

Also him trying to get Alison deleted for so long might make him less trustworthy in Alison's eyes.

[TonyStarkPrime]

i don't see how that's an implication

[MartinGG99]

IIRC I think the potential outcomes of this game were far more unknown back then as well so Alison might've not had felt a need or forseen a need to side with Enclave.

[MartinGG99]

i don't see how that's an implication

Well it implies there would be a possiblity of

not like an actual thing that actually happened

[TonyStarkPrime]

it's already a possibility, by strict rules of propositional logic anything implies it

[TonyStarkPrime]

implies the possibility, not it itself

[MartinGG99]

it's already a possibility, by strict rules of propositional logic anything implies it

Not sure how it is a possibility if ChopChop genuinely didn't know if Alison was slaver.

The enclave kill got saved the night before Chop announced Alison wasn't slaver.

He could've changed his answer if they did attack & message Alison.

The only way to fake a protection as happening is to either attack a vest or to heal the attack target when attacking them with Frank. But Frank was Grogu, not Urist.

[MartinGG99]

And Alison had the only vest in the game iirc.

[TonyStarkPrime]

You just gave two ways it was a possibility?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I also think Grogu knew that Alison was slaver day 2 but I might be ascribing too much logic to his actions there

[TonyStarkPrime]

(i'm also decently certain that any rational person knew that alison was the slaver but this probably doesn't apply to the wolf team here)

[MartinGG99]

You just gave two ways it was a possibility?

I think we're at a disconnect because I misspoke somewhere and while I could fix that

I don't see any point in doing so.

[TonyStarkPrime]

it's an irrelevant hypothetical

[MartinGG99]

I also think Grogu knew that Alison was slaver day 2 but I might be ascribing too much logic to his actions there

Didn't Grogu call Mac taking a wolfy poo on that day?

I was thinking Grogu role-copped mac on N1. Cuz you just don't make that sort of statement unless you legitimately believe they're scummy.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I just don't think that's plausible with the whole falcon/alison thing grogu was on about

[TonyStarkPrime]

But I do think the wolves have the role blocker / tracker so they could have like tracked falcon and RCed mac?

[Urist]

2h until game end amirite

[TonyStarkPrime]

I assume that if the game were to end in 2 hours the game would have ended 42 hours ago

[MartinGG99]

I just don't think that's plausible with the whole falcon/alison thing grogu was on about

Fair. Maybe he role-copped Mac N2 or something.

I don't think I can give a good explanation for Falcon/Alison tbh unless there was an enclave tracker involved or something.